Re: "exception Emask 0x0" on harddisk

2008-07-26 Thread Huub
DRDY - Data ready (not really important here) ERR - Error occurred UNC - Uncorrectable (eg bad block) And C8 is a read command (read via DMA) Alan So the only solution to this is try to reformat and see what happens? -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https

Problems with wireless (AR5007E) and standby on notebook

2008-07-26 Thread Arthur Pemberton
First of, here is the smolt profile for the machine: http://www.smolts.org/client/show/pub_4e28d6bb-5fee-4152-a260-f08ff80399e5 Check the link there on the Atheros card for info on what I have done with it so far. The gist of the matter is that "as is" if the notebook lid is closed (goes to stand

Re: a long rebuttal to the Linux-is-the-engine fallacy

2008-07-26 Thread Antonio Olivares
> > What does that have to do with freedom? > > > They have a right to call it what they want. > > Nobody is taking, or even trying to take, that right away, > even when > it's not morally correct for them to abuse it right to > mislead and > fool the recipients of the collection of software they

Re: Wireless LAN cards for Fedora?

2008-07-26 Thread Colin Paul Adams
> "Mitch" == Nifty Fedora Mitch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Mitch> On Sat, Jul 26, 2008 at 06:23:10AM +0100, Colin Paul Adams wrote: >> > I want to connect an AMD64 machine (currently running 32-bit Fedora >> Core 6, although I might upgrade to Fedora 9 64-bit or 32-bit) >> to

Re: a long rebuttal to the Linux-is-the-engine fallacy

2008-07-26 Thread Ed Greshko
Oh, goodie Another thread to filter... -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list

Re: File recovery on ext3 using LVM

2008-07-26 Thread Jonathan Berry
On Sat, Jul 26, 2008 at 7:57 PM, Bruno Wolff III <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sat, Jul 26, 2008 at 17:36:43 -0500, > Jonathan Berry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> Any ideas? > > Take a look at the ext3grep project. LVM shouldn't be a barrier in this > case since you can access the ext3 file s

Re: a long rebuttal to the Linux-is-the-engine fallacy

2008-07-26 Thread inode0
On Sat, Jul 26, 2008 at 10:43 PM, Alexandre Oliva <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I can't think of a better place for discussions on whether it is > reasonable for Fedora to be introduced, at its web front page, as a > Linux-based, rather than as GNU+Linux-based or GNU-based. Fedora, Ubuntu, and othe

Re: a long rebuttal to the Linux-is-the-engine fallacy

2008-07-26 Thread Alexandre Oliva
On Jul 26, 2008, Antonio Olivares <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > What does that have to do with freedom? > They have a right to call it what they want. Nobody is taking, or even trying to take, that right away, even when it's not morally correct for them to abuse it right to mislead and fool the r

Re: File recovery on ext3 using LVM

2008-07-26 Thread Jonathan Berry
2008/7/26 Mikkel L. Ellertson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Jonathan Berry wrote: >> >> Hi all, >> >> Okay, I know this is a long shot, but I might as well ask and see if >> there is anything else to try. I recently lost some pictures because >> when importing into F-Spot, I accidentally selected not to

Re: a long rebuttal to the Linux-is-the-engine fallacy

2008-07-26 Thread Alexandre Oliva
On Jul 25, 2008, John Cornelius <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I fail to see the value of this line of discussion in this forum I can't think of a better place for discussions on whether it is reasonable for Fedora to be introduced, at its web front page, as a Linux-based, rather than as GNU+Linux-

Re: a long rebuttal to the Linux-is-the-engine fallacy

2008-07-26 Thread Alexandre Oliva
On Jul 26, 2008, Marko Vojinovic <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The bootloader, although completely crucial, is a fairly simple > piece of code (compared to the kernel or any other serious part of > the system). Like Linux is a fairly simple piece of code, compared with GNU. > (no offence to the g

Re: DNS Attacks

2008-07-26 Thread Nifty Fedora Mitch
On Fri, Jul 25, 2008 at 01:32:58PM -0500, Les Mikesell wrote: > Björn Persson wrote: >> >>> If you are really paranoid (or about to do large transactions on what >>> you hope is your banking site), you could do a 'whois' lookup for the >>> target domain to find their own name servers and send a que

X server startup options?

2008-07-26 Thread Tom Horsley
Just curious if anyone has yet stumbled across the solution to this bug: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=451562 I want to be able to influence the X server startup options, and they seem to be totally hard coded in fedora 9 gdm. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To

Re: File recovery on ext3 using LVM

2008-07-26 Thread Mikkel L. Ellertson
Jonathan Berry wrote: Hi all, Okay, I know this is a long shot, but I might as well ask and see if there is anything else to try. I recently lost some pictures because when importing into F-Spot, I accidentally selected not to copy the pictures to the hard drive. Now the F-Spot database refere

Announcement: New repo with updated ClamAV packages for Fedora 8

2008-07-26 Thread Keith G. Robertson-Turner
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Verily I say unto thee, that Bob Marcan spake thusly: (Original subject: clamav 0.93 on Fedora 8) > Will this ever happen ? For some reason the Fedora 8 packages for ClamAV are lagging behind F9, so I've provided updates for the following architectu

Re: File recovery on ext3 using LVM

2008-07-26 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Sat, Jul 26, 2008 at 17:36:43 -0500, Jonathan Berry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Any ideas? Take a look at the ext3grep project. LVM shouldn't be a barrier in this case since you can access the ext3 file system device. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: ht

Re: Laptop tracking software

2008-07-26 Thread Konstantin Svist
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, I am wondering if there is laptop tracking software included with Fedora. I am currently using Fedora 8. If there is no such thing in the distro, what would anyone recommend for a third-party F/OSS software? What I meant is a software that can track the laptop

Re: Why is Fedora not a Free GNU/Linux distributions?

2008-07-26 Thread Les Mikesell
Gordon Messmer wrote: The GPL doesn't change terms on anything else and I've never implied that it can or does. You have repeatedly insisted exactly that. I've stated that is the practical effect, but the license can only control your actions, not anyone else's terms. You are only given t

Re: Why is Fedora not a Free GNU/Linux distributions?

2008-07-26 Thread Gordon Messmer
Les Mikesell wrote: Gordon Messmer wrote: That statement is a little ambiguous. The GPL does not have any power which copyright law does not grant. Specifically, it can not change the terms of work licensed under any terms other than its own and it can not force you to accept any other or ad

File recovery on ext3 using LVM

2008-07-26 Thread Jonathan Berry
Hi all, Okay, I know this is a long shot, but I might as well ask and see if there is anything else to try. I recently lost some pictures because when importing into F-Spot, I accidentally selected not to copy the pictures to the hard drive. Now the F-Spot database references the files on the fl

Re: Laptop tracking software

2008-07-26 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Sat, Jul 26, 2008 at 16:39:53 -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Hello, > I am wondering if there is laptop tracking software included with Fedora. I > am > currently using Fedora 8. If there is no such thing in the distro, what would > anyone recommend for a third-party F/OSS software? >

Re: that old GNU/Linux argument

2008-07-26 Thread Marko Vojinovic
On Friday 25 July 2008 07:56, Gordon Messmer wrote: > I think that some knowledge of history would probably change your > perspective, and is certainly relevant to the conversation. Probably, but it seems that the argument I am trying to communicate is based on discussing the *purpose* of Linux a

Re: a long rebuttal to the Linux-is-the-engine fallacy

2008-07-26 Thread Marko Vojinovic
On Friday 25 July 2008 22:07, John Cornelius wrote: > I fail to see the value of this line of discussion in this forum even > though the points are provocative to say the least. [snip] > Note that my opening thought was that I fail to see the _value_ of this > discussion in this forum not that the

Re: a long rebuttal to the Linux-is-the-engine fallacy (was: Re: that old GNU/Linux argument)

2008-07-26 Thread Marko Vojinovic
:-) I'll try to be just a little bit shorter. Though I may not succeed. ;-) On Friday 25 July 2008 20:18, Alexandre Oliva wrote: > On Jul 24, 2008, Marko Vojinovic <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > the kernel "does the essential work" (actually, it communicates > > further to the hardware that does

Re: that old GNU/Linux argument

2008-07-26 Thread Marko Vojinovic
On Saturday 26 July 2008 01:26, Alexandre Oliva wrote: > On Jul 24, 2008, Marko Vojinovic <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Persons A and B are running a marathon on the Olympic games. > > You're quite creative at presenting analogies that sound convincing to > support a point you're trying to make, a

Re: "exception Emask 0x0" on harddisk

2008-07-26 Thread Alan Cox
On Sat, 26 Jul 2008 22:15:34 +0200 Huub <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi, > > My laptop running F9 doesn't boot properly anymore. After starting the > VolumeGroup, it starts giving: > > ata1.00: exception Emask 0x0 SAct 0x0 SErr 0x0 action 0x0 > ata1.00: BMDMA stat 0x25 > ata1.00: status: { DRDY

Re: that old GNU/Linux argument

2008-07-26 Thread Gordon Messmer
Antonio Olivares wrote: If the information cannot be moved, how come the wireless drivers built with BSD license in OpenBSD by Theo de Raadt were moved to GPL license. Theo didn't write the drivers. Reyk Floeter and Sam Leffler did. The drivers weren't "moved" to the GPL, either. There was

Re: fedora-list Digest, Vol 53, Issue 254

2008-07-26 Thread Steve Searle
Around 11:01pm on Saturday, July 26, 2008 (UK time), [EMAIL PROTECTED] scrawled: > We should keep this site focussed on the technical areas; not on a > political point. This site should drop any statements in reference to > " why is fedora not free!. I will soon drop out of this site if the >

Re: fedora-list Digest, Vol 53, Issue 254

2008-07-26 Thread dorite54
We should keep this site focussed on the technical areas; not on a political point. This site should drop any statements in reference to " why is fedora not free!. I will soon drop out of this site if the site administrator doesn't control this site. lets end this scarp and more on to

Re: Why is Fedora not a Free GNU/Linux distributions?

2008-07-26 Thread Gordon Messmer
Antonio Olivares wrote: I respect your stance on the license issue. In fact I would agree that most of the parts are good. Many projects use the license which shows that it is not totally bad. There are however certain restrictions and gotchas. For instance in the Open Source Definitions ht

Re: Why is Fedora not a Free GNU/Linux distributions?

2008-07-26 Thread Antonio Olivares
> >> There is nothing to interpret. If you don't > like what > >> the license > >> actually says, why do you keep defending it? > > > > He might defend the good parts of the license :) > > I preferred not to respond to Les because he insists on > putting words in > my mouth. In fact, I do lik

Re: fedora errors

2008-07-26 Thread Ian Malone
2008/7/11 Rick Stevens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Mark Haney wrote: >> >> Glen Grantham wrote: >>> >>> My system is an AMD 64 Athlon X2 4600+ on a >>> GIGABYTE S-Series GA-MA74GM-S2H motherboard >>> with a 320GB EIDE WD Caviar SE 7200RPM Hard Drive >>> >>> 64 bit Fedora Linux Identity Kit >>> >>> ERRO

Re: Laptop tracking software

2008-07-26 Thread Sam Varshavchik
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hello, I am wondering if there is laptop tracking software included with Fedora. I am currently using Fedora 8. If there is no such thing in the distro, what would anyone recommend for a third-party F/OSS software? What I meant is a software that can track the lapto

Re: that old GNU/Linux argument

2008-07-26 Thread Antonio Olivares
> > I have also found a page in which it clearly explains > some problems with > > the GPL > > http://www.topology.org/linux/gpl.html> > > An analogy for the GPL would be the farmer who > receives the gift of a GPL > > cow from a neighbour. The cow is completely free, but > all of the milk from >

Re: Why is Fedora not a Free GNU/Linux distributions?

2008-07-26 Thread Gordon Messmer
Antonio Olivares wrote: There is nothing to interpret. If you don't like what the license actually says, why do you keep defending it? He might defend the good parts of the license :) I preferred not to respond to Les because he insists on putting words in my mouth. In fact, I do like wha

Re: DNS Attacks

2008-07-26 Thread Les Mikesell
Björn Persson wrote: Could you elaborate on how whois guards against malicious system administrators? It spreads the number of things that have to be compromised to fool you. The person who had access to copy the security certificate may not be the same one that registers the public DNS server

Laptop tracking software

2008-07-26 Thread techlist
Hello, I am wondering if there is laptop tracking software included with Fedora. I am currently using Fedora 8. If there is no such thing in the distro, what would anyone recommend for a third-party F/OSS software? What I meant is a software that can track the laptop whereabouts, which would b

Re: that old GNU/Linux argument

2008-07-26 Thread Björn Persson
Antonio Olivares wrote: > I have also found a page in which it clearly explains some problems with > the GPL > http://www.topology.org/linux/gpl.html> > An analogy for the GPL would be the farmer who receives the gift of a GPL > cow from a neighbour. The cow is completely free, but all of the milk

Re: Why is Fedora not a Free GNU/Linux distributions?

2008-07-26 Thread Les Mikesell
Gordon Messmer wrote: Les Mikesell wrote: The context is that it is a part of what you must agree to do if you want to do anything with _every_ GPL-encumbered work that copyright law alone would not permit. That statement is a little ambiguous. The GPL does not have any power which copyr

"exception Emask 0x0" on harddisk

2008-07-26 Thread Huub
Hi, My laptop running F9 doesn't boot properly anymore. After starting the VolumeGroup, it starts giving: ata1.00: exception Emask 0x0 SAct 0x0 SErr 0x0 action 0x0 ata1.00: BMDMA stat 0x25 ata1.00: status: { DRDY ERR } ata1.00: error: { UNC } ata1.00: cmd c8/00:2c:61:00:00/00:00:00:00:00/e0 ta

Re: Why is Fedora not a Free GNU/Linux distributions?

2008-07-26 Thread Les Mikesell
Antonio Olivares wrote: If you want an analogy: BSD is like the girl who sleeps with everybody. She gets a lot of sex and is invited to every party, but nobody respects her. GPL is like the girl who is selective about her partners. She doesn't have quite as much "fun" and has earned herself a

Re: DNS Attacks

2008-07-26 Thread Björn Persson
Les Mikesell wrote: > Yes, but controlling 'who does what' only works as long as the selected > person does what you expect. Are you following the case of the San > Francisco network admin that refused to give the password to anyone > else? This may not even be malicious (he may just think everyo

Re: Why is Fedora not a Free GNU/Linux distributions?

2008-07-26 Thread Antonio Olivares
> >>> Please stop spreading misinformation. > >> > >> That's funny - remember this post is in > response to my exact quote of > >> the license section 2b. Do you really consider > what the license > >> actually say as misinformation? > > > > The terms of the license aren't misinformation; > you

Gnome Icon properties crash

2008-07-26 Thread Joe
Hi List, i have following problem. If I open properties of a Sorthcut on my Desktop and click on "Launcher", the window closes after 2 sec without an error. I tried it with an fresh/default desktop, but is the same problem. -- Thanx & cu Joe -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.co

Re: Wireless LAN cards for Fedora?

2008-07-26 Thread Nifty Fedora Mitch
On Sat, Jul 26, 2008 at 06:23:10AM +0100, Colin Paul Adams wrote: > > I want to connect an AMD64 machine (currently running 32-bit Fedora > Core 6, although I might upgrade to Fedora 9 64-bit or 32-bit) to a > wireless LAN. Can I just buy any cheap wireless LAN card, or are there > gotchas to be a

Re: Why is Fedora not a Free GNU/Linux distributions?

2008-07-26 Thread Gordon Messmer
Les Mikesell wrote: The context is that it is a part of what you must agree to do if you want to do anything with _every_ GPL-encumbered work that copyright law alone would not permit. That statement is a little ambiguous. The GPL does not have any power which copyright law does not grant

Re: Why is Fedora not a Free GNU/Linux distributions?

2008-07-26 Thread Les Mikesell
Gordon Messmer wrote: Please stop spreading misinformation. That's funny - remember this post is in response to my exact quote of the license section 2b. Do you really consider what the license actually say as misinformation? The terms of the license aren't misinformation; your uninforme

Re: Why is Fedora not a Free GNU/Linux distributions?

2008-07-26 Thread Les Mikesell
Alexandre Oliva wrote: Your wording is too ambiguous and you associate unusual politics with some of those words so I have no idea what you intend. Tell me which words, and I'll point out they're present in the GPL as well, and you don't seem to have any trouble (mis)interpreting it. Yes, o

Re: Why is Fedora not a Free GNU/Linux distributions?

2008-07-26 Thread Gordon Messmer
Les Mikesell wrote: Alexandre Oliva wrote: Please stop spreading misinformation. That's funny - remember this post is in response to my exact quote of the license section 2b. Do you really consider what the license actually say as misinformation? The terms of the license aren't misinform

Re: DNS Attacks

2008-07-26 Thread Les Mikesell
Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote: You aren't paranoid enough. What if the spoofer is also a system administrator at the bank with access to a copy of the real certificate that he installs on the machine he's tricked your dns into reaching - with the expected name that you'll still see. Then the ban

Re: kde-4.1 coming soon to f9/updates-testing

2008-07-26 Thread Rex Dieter
Rex Dieter wrote: > Craig White wrote: > > >> Thanks...apparently there is some clean up still required on kdebindings... > I'll have to double-check the qscintilla/kdebindings thing. confirmed. we'll sort that out. -- Rex -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe:

Re: kde-4.1 coming soon to f9/updates-testing

2008-07-26 Thread Rex Dieter
Craig White wrote: > Thanks...apparently there is some clean up still required on kdebindings > and kdegraphics but that does allow it to get installed except, > developers should note the following on kdegraphics... > > Transaction Check Error: > file /usr/share/icons/hicolor/128x128/apps/kdc

Re: Why is Fedora not a Free GNU/Linux distributions?

2008-07-26 Thread Antonio Olivares
> > Being unable to combine GPLed code with code under > some other license > > is not something you can blame on the GPL alone. > > Of course I can. The entire reason for the GPL to exist is > to prevent > combining with code under other terms. That is it's > unique feature. For instance ther

Re: Why is Fedora not a Free GNU/Linux distributions?

2008-07-26 Thread Les Mikesell
Alexandre Oliva wrote: it has always been immoral to demand that others give up their rights. Taking away legitimate rights, yes, that would be immoral. Taking away any right is immoral. Like, let's say, taking away one's right to own slaves? Red Herring! 'I' don't/can't take away any

Re: kde-4.1 coming soon to f9/updates-testing

2008-07-26 Thread Craig White
On Sat, 2008-07-26 at 17:21 +0100, José Matos wrote: > On Saturday 26 July 2008 16:50:46 Craig White wrote: > > > > problem... > > > > # yum --enablerepo=updates-testing install kdesdk kdebase kdepimlibs sip > > qscintilla qgtkstyle kdeedu kdebindings soprano kdeplasma-addons > > kdegames kdea

Re: a long rebuttal to the Linux-is-the-engine fallacy

2008-07-26 Thread Antonio Olivares
> >> why would they have bothered with rewriting a much > smaller piece of > >> it? > > > If it is really free, why does this last paragraph > belong in your > > argument? > > The argument about why it is correct to say that what some > people > mistake for Linux is actually the GNU operating sys

Re: kde-4.1 coming soon to f9/updates-testing

2008-07-26 Thread José Matos
On Saturday 26 July 2008 16:50:46 Craig White wrote: > > problem... > > # yum --enablerepo=updates-testing install kdesdk kdebase kdepimlibs sip > qscintilla qgtkstyle kdeedu kdebindings soprano kdeplasma-addons > kdegames kdeaccessibility compiz kdenetwork kdegraphics kdeadmin > kdebase-runti

Re: that old GNU/Linux argument

2008-07-26 Thread Les Mikesell
Alexandre Oliva wrote: Alexandre Oliva wrote: What do you mean "other than the Hurd"? I mean "except for the Hurd", "save for the Hurd", or however you'd like to phrase the act of taking a set with hundreds of elements, and applying the same predicate to all but one of them. I don't mean t

Re: a long rebuttal to the Linux-is-the-engine fallacy

2008-07-26 Thread Alexandre Oliva
On Jul 26, 2008, Les <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> why would they have bothered with rewriting a much smaller piece of >> it? > If it is really free, why does this last paragraph belong in your > argument? The argument about why it is correct to say that what some people mistake for Linux is act

Re: Why is Fedora not a Free GNU/Linux distributions?

2008-07-26 Thread Les Mikesell
Alexandre Oliva wrote: Please stop spreading misinformation. That's funny - remember this post is in response to my exact quote of the license section 2b. Do you really consider what the license actually say as misinformation? When you quote it out of context, you turn it into misinformat

Re: F9 - cups - windows shared printer

2008-07-26 Thread Craig White
On Sat, 2008-07-26 at 19:08 +1000, Andy Eager wrote: > OK, for anyone interested (and as a way of documenting the problem), I > finally got to the bottom of this issue. > It has absolutely nothing to do with users, groups, cups authentication, > Firefox or much else discussed in this thread!! >

Re: kde-4.1 coming soon to f9/updates-testing

2008-07-26 Thread Craig White
On Thu, 2008-07-24 at 22:33 -0500, Rex Dieter wrote: > Craig White wrote: > > On Thu, 2008-07-24 at 21:20 -0500, Rex Dieter wrote: > >> A kde-4.1-rc2 update is queued for release to fedora 9's updates-testing > >> repository. It is meant for testing the upcoming KDE 4.1 release and to > >> filter

Re: that old GNU/Linux argument

2008-07-26 Thread Antonio Olivares
> > Alexandre Oliva wrote: > Err... I don't know how you got this idea that GNU was > supposed to be just a kernel. GNU is an entire operating system, that > Linux developers happened to borrow to complete theirs, because > all they had was a kernel. > This part can be argued. If there was no

Re: kde-4.1 coming soon to f9/updates-testing

2008-07-26 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Fri, 2008-07-25 at 13:55 -0500, Rex Dieter wrote: > Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > > > Well, naturally it's up to me, but I was hoping for some insight into > > the relationship between the various repos. > > kde-redhat is a personal repo of mine. essentially the "rawhide of kde", > where I so

Re: kde-4.1 coming soon to f9/updates-testing

2008-07-26 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Fri, 2008-07-25 at 18:30 +, Kevin Kofler wrote: > Patrick O'Callaghan gmail.com> writes: > > Well, naturally it's up to me, but I was hoping for some insight into > > the relationship between the various repos. I started using kde-redhat a > > few weeks back in order to get a preview of KDE

RE: DNS Attacks

2008-07-26 Thread bruce
but if a bank employee is involved in the taking of funds, then there is somewhat of a trail. if the employee where to "change" the root dns servers, there would be some trail of this with the service that the bank uses for this setup.. this would be pretty easy to resolve, and the customer would h

Re: a long rebuttal to the Linux-is-the-engine fallacy

2008-07-26 Thread Les
On Sat, 2008-07-26 at 09:44 -0300, Alexandre Oliva wrote: > On Jul 26, 2008, Antonio Olivares <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > http://www.cmake.org/HTML/index.html > > > That one should suffice. > > Nope. It offers the features, and even in a desirable fashion, but it > doesn't preclude anyone

Re: Ad-hoc wireless... Help?

2008-07-26 Thread Gilboa Davara
On Thu, 2008-07-24 at 13:25 +0300, Gilboa Davara wrote: > Hello all, > > I'm trying to setup a temporary ad-hoc wireless connection between my > firewall (CentOS5) and my laptop. (F9, NM disabled) > The wireless connection will sit on the "red" side of the firewall (and > will be disabled most of

Re: Why is Fedora not a Free GNU/Linux distributions?

2008-07-26 Thread Alexandre Oliva
On Jul 24, 2008, Les Mikesell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Alexandre Oliva wrote: >> >>> it has always been immoral to demand that others give up their rights. >> >> Taking away legitimate rights, yes, that would be immoral. > Taking away any right is immoral. Like, let's say, taking away on

Re: Why is Fedora not a Free GNU/Linux distributions?

2008-07-26 Thread Alexandre Oliva
On Jul 26, 2008, Les Mikesell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Your wording is too ambiguous and you associate unusual politics with > some of those words so I have no idea what you intend. Tell me which words, and I'll point out they're present in the GPL as well, and you don't seem to have any trou

Re: DNS Attacks

2008-07-26 Thread Mikkel L. Ellertson
Björn Persson wrote: Les Mikesell wrote: You aren't paranoid enough. What if the spoofer is also a system administrator at the bank with access to a copy of the real certificate that he installs on the machine he's tricked your dns into reaching - with the expected name that you'll still see.

Re: Why is Fedora not a Free GNU/Linux distributions?

2008-07-26 Thread Alexandre Oliva
On Jul 26, 2008, Les Mikesell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Alexandre Oliva wrote: >> >> 2. You may [...] provided that you also meet all of these conditions >> >>> There's no room to interpret that as saying "or some other license >>> you found on some web page" >> >> There's no denying of this

Re: that old GNU/Linux argument

2008-07-26 Thread Alexandre Oliva
On Jul 26, 2008, Les Mikesell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Alexandre Oliva wrote: >> >>> What do you mean "other than the Hurd"? >> >> I mean "except for the Hurd", "save for the Hurd", or however you'd >> like to phrase the act of taking a set with hundreds of elements, and >> applying the same

Re: a long rebuttal to the Linux-is-the-engine fallacy

2008-07-26 Thread Alexandre Oliva
On Jul 26, 2008, Antonio Olivares <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > http://www.cmake.org/HTML/index.html > That one should suffice. Nope. It offers the features, and even in a desirable fashion, but it doesn't preclude anyone from rewriting all the intelligence encoded in configure.ac and Makefile.a

Re: DNS Attacks

2008-07-26 Thread Björn Persson
Les Mikesell wrote: > You aren't paranoid enough. What if the spoofer is also a system > administrator at the bank with access to a copy of the real certificate > that he installs on the machine he's tricked your dns into reaching - > with the expected name that you'll still see. Then the bank ha

Re: SElinux concerning symlink? mail

2008-07-26 Thread Mike
Mike gmail.com> writes: This is resolved - thank you to Paul Howarth from the SELinux list... All it needed was # chcon -t mnt_t /var/spool/mail Now a happy bunny again... -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list

Re: F9 - cups - windows shared printer

2008-07-26 Thread Andy Eager
OK, for anyone interested (and as a way of documenting the problem), I finally got to the bottom of this issue. It has absolutely nothing to do with users, groups, cups authentication, Firefox or much else discussed in this thread!! I was using ipp as the printing protocol to talk to the printe

Re: kde-4.1 coming soon to f9/updates-testing

2008-07-26 Thread Anne Wilson
On Friday 25 July 2008 03:20:41 Rex Dieter wrote: > Just to give a word of warning (and spread hype. :) ) > > A kde-4.1-rc2 update is queued for release to fedora 9's updates-testing > repository. It is meant for testing the upcoming KDE 4.1 release and to > filter last-minute bugs. Please help t