Re: Common Lisp apps in Fedora
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi David, On 01/06/2010 06:34 PM, David A. Wheeler wrote: On 01/04/2010 05:29 PM, Jerry James wrote: One of the first issues we'll have to face is the use of common-lisp-controller. First, it postpones compilation to the first time the application is executed by a particular Common Lisp engine. For the application I packaged, PVS [2], compilation takes a significant amount of time. This approach may be fine for small libraries and applications, but will it really scale up to the some of the big applications people want to package? No. That'd be rediculous; big CL applications can take a LONG time to compile, and compilation usually requires lots of memory (even if the final application doesn't). this is identical to my experience. Fedora has lots of applications written in many other compiled languages like C and C++, and they aren't distributed *only* as source code. Instead, people expect that when they download the binary they'll get a pre-compiled, ready-to-go version. I think the same should be true for big Common Lisp (CL) applications. (...) Definitely - but I'd rather see CL as a compiled language that permits the equivalent of static linking only (worst drawback) so the resulting binaries are huge since they contain every dependency including the actual lisp machine itself. This could in fact be the weakest point arguments could attack; I don't see an obvious solution here either as FASL is the closest it can get to prepare a freshly started lisp machine up to the desired state but that still requires dependency resolution, lots of memory, disk activity and cpu cycles etc. The only known alternative to me is gcl and ecl using C as intermediate language for compilation but gcl lacks even basic threading and ecl doesn't provide some POSIX related standard featured expected from compiled languages either. So the question remains whether Fedora devs and users would tolerate big CL app binaries. Alexander Kahl: Are you (or is anyone else here) interested in founding a Common Lisp SIG? I'm interested. Is there a standardized process for founding SIGs? Or just add some wiki pages, set up a mailing list and spread some propaganda so folks will join? - - Alex -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAktG9wMACgkQVTRddCFHw13qZACgpnCOT8PH45rMIlztwqSgCUnQ nIIAoIyGSLFIIyZs09tqG23dLDOdDslg =MwAw -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: Common Lisp apps in Fedora
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 01/06/2010 04:27 PM, Jerry James wrote: On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 2:32 AM, Alexander Kahl ak...@imttechnologies.com wrote: Thanks for the offer; currently I'm busy with getting GNUnet through the review, ccl can be next on the list but I'm unsure whether it wouldn't be better if we'd focus on packaging most commonly used CL libs like Alexandria first. ATM Debian (and its brown derivative) seems to be the no. 1 distro of choice for CL devs and I'd like to change that. I have a handful of candidate CL library packages, including alexandria, here: http://jjames.fedorapeople.org/ Nice! I'd add bordeaux-threads, cl-patron, cl-ppcre and some other as soon as the issues mentioned below are resolved. The problem is that I followed the packaging guidelines, and thus used common-lisp-controller which, as I mentioned, doesn't work for any CL engine currently available in Fedora. I think we have to fix that first. Are you (or is anyone else here) interested in founding a Common Lisp SIG? Yes, I think we need to do so. Count me in. Please see my reply to David's post; do you know whether there is a standardized SIG founding procedure? - - Alex -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAktG958ACgkQVTRddCFHw12gmQCfcLbnC7mit17eA9ktEHGd2RAz LJkAniDgJUlQCwu4GHvLkRM9QycWD92+ =Wtzs -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: Proposal: fedora-release-rawhide subpackage
2010/1/7 Zing z...@fastmail.fm: On Thu, 07 Jan 2010 14:02:24 -0700, Kevin Fenzi wrote: On Thu, 07 Jan 2010 15:24:05 +0100 Till Maas opensou...@till.name wrote: You propose that the repo should be enabled by default if the package is installed. I don't like this. This make it a lot easier to break a system with Rawhide, if one installs the repo file, e.g. only to be able to easily download the src.rpm files with yumdownloader or to query it with repoquery, but not to actually install the unsigned packages from it. How many folks do this? I suppose this is a downside... we could also ship it with default disabled, so you would need to install and then enable it. What makes you think these same users won't then also edit and enable rawhide at this point? Because the type of users we speak of, just enable *blindly* whatever repo is available by a *default* installation. Those type of users *dont* read at all, neither descriptions coming with a package nor websites. So the barrier is much higher for them to break their boxen. It would be even better to install (disabled) the rpmfusion repos. Because enough of them think they might get what they miss if they enable rawhide. The closed source drivers for their video cards and nonfree codecs to play their music and movies. So at least a big +1 to have the rawhide repo in a different package and get it installed disabled if one wants/needs it. -- LG Thomas Dubium sapientiae initium -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
RFE : split transmission into subpackages: Request for review
hi, wrt https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=550976 I've built the sub packages and have put them up here with the spec. http://ankursinha.fedorapeople.org/transmission/ Can someone please review these? Thanks, regards, Ankur -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
rawhide report: 20100108 changes
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Re: Proposal: fedora-release-rawhide subpackage
On Thu, Jan 07, 2010 at 02:02:24PM -0700, Kevin Fenzi wrote: On Thu, 07 Jan 2010 15:24:05 +0100 Till Maas opensou...@till.name wrote: You propose that the repo should be enabled by default if the package is installed. I don't like this. This make it a lot easier to break a system with Rawhide, if one installs the repo file, e.g. only to be able to easily download the src.rpm files with yumdownloader or to query it with repoquery, but not to actually install the unsigned packages from it. How many folks do this? I suppose this is a downside... we could also ship it with default disabled, so you would need to install and then enable it. I guess the use of repoquery for rawhide is quite common for Fedora developers who want to inspect the impact of updating their packages. Also I guess at least the selective installation of some Rawhide package might be quite common to verify bugfixes. Imho the danger of accidently breaking the system is a lot higher if there is a package that will auto-destruct the system with the next yum update than it is with the current setup, where a manual change of a config file is required. It will probably also auto break systems that just install everything, which is also not nice. I don't think it's possible to 'install everything'. There are a number of packages in the collection that conflict. Or do you have some other meaning for 'everything'? I believe that I have read about people installing everything except for conflicting packages to find some packaging bugs, e.g. non explicit conflicts. Regards Till pgpUnhCKsqc6m.pgp Description: PGP signature -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: Question about dist-cvs make targets
On Thu, Jan 07, 2010 at 09:28:26AM -0800, Jesse Keating wrote:
As I proceed to port our make system over into fedpkg, I've ran across a
couple targets that are giving me pause.
Is anybody out there making use of the following targets?
patch
I use this quite often to generate patches, but unluckily it only works
if the tarball is extracted into a dir called %{name}-%{version}.
I believe there is also a rediff target, which just renegerates a
patch and copies the comment above the patch.
unused-patches
I use this to easily get a list of patches I can cvs remove after I
removed them from the spec.
Regards
Till
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Re: Question about dist-cvs make targets
On Thu, Jan 07, 2010 at 07:47:10PM +0100, Enrico Scholz wrote: Jonathan Underwood jonathan.underw...@gmail.com writes: I have used make patch quite a bit when developing patches. I guess it's just a wrapper around gendiff though, so it maybe redundant i.e. in my use case I could have been using gendiff. fwiw, 'gendiff' does not retain comments in patches and fails when one file is touched by multiple patches. I wrote a wrapper around 'quilt' which is used like Iirc there is a rediff target to keep the comments in a spec. gendiff works with multiple patches if one only wants to modify the last patch and the patches are applied with the right backup-suffixes in %patch. | %apply -n23 -p1 This expands to | quilt import -p 1 %PATCH23 | quilt push -f resp. | %patch23 -p1 on systems without this macro. Refreshing and developing of patches is very easy in this way. Would you please provide more instructions about how to implement it and how to use it? Regards Till pgpIFCjyNs1uS.pgp Description: PGP signature -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: RFE: Never, ever steal focus.
On Wed, Jan 06, 2010 at 03:59:14PM -0500, Owen Taylor wrote: On Wed, 2010-01-06 at 16:00 +0100, nodata wrote: I'd like to suggest an enhancement for Fedora 13: nothing should ever steal focus from the window I am typing in. If I am typing in a shell window, or in a word processor, or an e-mail, nothing should ever take keyboard focus away from that window. Clearly I'm missing something, otherwise we would have this, hence the posting to the list :) I'm not sure what you are missing, but I know what I'm missing here - a description of when exactly focus was stolen from you that was a problem. In almost all cases, if you are typing into one application in Fedora, and a window pops up from another application and steals away your focus, and your typing goes to the wrong place, that's a bug that should be filed against one of: I just realised that not only focus stealing when typing, but also when reading is annoying. E.g. here firefox just crashed, so I restarted it and while it opened all its tabs and windows, I wanted to read mails. But then firefox steals the focus several times for its windows. Is this something that is supposed to happen? Regards Till pgpSFXiFZNjpp.pgp Description: PGP signature -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: Proposal: fedora-release-rawhide subpackage
On Fri, 2010-01-08 at 14:43 +0100, Till Maas wrote: On Thu, Jan 07, 2010 at 02:02:24PM -0700, Kevin Fenzi wrote: On Thu, 07 Jan 2010 15:24:05 +0100 Till Maas opensou...@till.name wrote: You propose that the repo should be enabled by default if the package is installed. I don't like this. This make it a lot easier to break a system with Rawhide, if one installs the repo file, e.g. only to be able to easily download the src.rpm files with yumdownloader or to query it with repoquery, but not to actually install the unsigned packages from it. How many folks do this? I suppose this is a downside... we could also ship it with default disabled, so you would need to install and then enable it. I guess the use of repoquery for rawhide is quite common for Fedora developers who want to inspect the impact of updating their packages. Also I guess at least the selective installation of some Rawhide package might be quite common to verify bugfixes. IMHO developers and debuggers can install the additional package.. Imho the danger of accidently breaking the system is a lot higher if there is a package that will auto-destruct the system with the next yum update than it is with the current setup, where a manual change of a config file is required. You don't have to edit the config file, it's enough to run yum with --enablerepo=rawhide (or --enablerepo=* !). +1 for branching, with default disabled. -- Jussi Lehtola Fedora Project Contributor jussileht...@fedoraproject.org -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: Question about dist-cvs make targets
Till Maas opensou...@till.name writes: Would you please provide more instructions about how to implement it and how to use it? quilt has builtin support for spec files. You only need to run quilt setup foo.spec. Andreas. -- Andreas Schwab, sch...@redhat.com GPG Key fingerprint = D4E8 DBE3 3813 BB5D FA84 5EC7 45C6 250E 6F00 984E And now for something completely different. -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: yum-presto occasionally goes into eternal loop looking for deltas
On Thu, 7 Jan 2010, James Antill wrote:
On Thu, 2010-01-07 at 21:19 +0200, Jonathan Dieter wrote:
On Thu, 2010-01-07 at 20:44 +0200, Pekka Pietikainen wrote:
Presto is one of the best things ever, but occasionally it ends up not
finding the delta files from any of the mirrors in the mirror list and just
loops through them without making any progress. --disablepresto works
a-ok, I think yum clean all; yum update also did the trick once.
Still, this can probably be made a lot better. It shouldn't do that even if the
mirrors
are out-of-sync. Maybe add some logic that just disables
presto if the deltas are nowhere to be found after a few attempts? Anyone
else even see this happen?
Yeah, see https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=540140. To
summarize, the problem is that new updates have been pushed to the
server between the time you loaded primary.sqlite and prestodelta.xml.
When you run 'yum clean metadata' or 'yum clean all' it removes the
outdated cached primary.sqlite and downloads the newer version.
The bug has been closed as WONTFIX because there have only been a few
reports; I wouldn't mind revisiting that decision if someone has a
clever way of fixing it. (And I'm not convinced that checking n mirrors
and then giving up is the solution.)
The plugin could require yum = 3.2.25, and then do something like (in
config or prereposetup):
for repo in repos:
repo.mdpolicy.append('prestodelta')
...which would auto download presto MD when yum gets new repomd/primary.
People might complain though :) ... another kind of fix would be for the
plugin to call .cleanExpireCache() if the MD fails to download.
The nice server side fix is to keep around more than one complete set
of MD (possible now we have unique MD filenames), so there would have to
be two updates within the client side cache timeout. But I'm not sure
how easy that is.
But not all the drpms would be kept so if a largish number of them
changed
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Come back
Hi, I just took ownership of kbackup as it was orphan. As there is a long time that I didn´t contribute to the Fedora Project, can somebody tell me how to update the package and ask for F-10 and F-11 branches? An uptodate srpm successfully build in mock on my laptop (F-12) and in koji -- scratch for f11, f12 and f13. Regards -- Les pages de manuel Linux en français http://manpagesfr.free.fr signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: Come back
On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 3:51 PM, Alain Portal alain.por...@free.fr wrote: Hi, I just took ownership of kbackup as it was orphan. As there is a long time that I didn´t contribute to the Fedora Project, can somebody tell me how to update the package and ask for F-10 and F-11 branches? https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/CVS_admin_requests#Package_Change_Requests_for_existing_packages Bye, Andrea. -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: Come back
On Friday 08 January 2010 15:51:28 Alain Portal wrote: Hi, I just took ownership of kbackup as it was orphan. As there is a long time that I didn´t contribute to the Fedora Project, can somebody tell me how to update the package and ask for F-10 and F-11 branches? F-10 branch is EOL (you probably thought F-11, F-12), for F-11/F-12 branches see [1]. Nice to have you back! An uptodate srpm successfully build in mock on my laptop (F-12) and in koji -- scratch for f11, f12 and f13. Regards Jaroslav [1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/PackageMaintainers/CVSAdminProcedure#Package_Change_Requests_for_existing_packages -- Jaroslav Řezník jrez...@redhat.com Software Engineer - Base Operating Systems Brno Office: +420 532 294 275 Mobile: +420 731 455 332 Red Hat, Inc. http://cz.redhat.com/ -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: Common Lisp apps in Fedora
On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 2:15 AM, Alexander Kahl ak...@imttechnologies.com wrote: Please see my reply to David's post; do you know whether there is a standardized SIG founding procedure? I looked around and found this: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Defining_projects It sounds like we should tell the Fedora Project Board that we are forming, and appoint someone to send them regular status reports. We should also tell the Packaging Committee that we have identified some problems with the current Lisp packaging guidelines and plan to submit revisions to those guidelines. -- Jerry James http://www.jamezone.org/ -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: Proposal: fedora-release-rawhide subpackage
On Fri, 08 Jan 2010 12:17:02 +0100, Thomas Janssen wrote: 2010/1/7 Zing z...@fastmail.fm: On Thu, 07 Jan 2010 14:02:24 -0700, Kevin Fenzi wrote: On Thu, 07 Jan 2010 15:24:05 +0100 Till Maas opensou...@till.name wrote: You propose that the repo should be enabled by default if the package is installed. I don't like this. This make it a lot easier to break a system with Rawhide, if one installs the repo file, e.g. only to be able to easily download the src.rpm files with yumdownloader or to query it with repoquery, but not to actually install the unsigned packages from it. How many folks do this? I suppose this is a downside... we could also ship it with default disabled, so you would need to install and then enable it. What makes you think these same users won't then also edit and enable rawhide at this point? Because the type of users we speak of, just enable *blindly* whatever repo is available by a *default* installation. Those type of users *dont* read at all, neither descriptions coming with a package nor websites. So the barrier is much higher for them to break their boxen. Well, yeah, my question was rhetorical... I guess my point was the barrier can't get high enough for the class of user we're talking about. I get a little grumpy when we make changes for these type of people. sorry. -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: Come back
Le vendredi 08 janvier 2010 16:11:32, Andrea Musuruane a écrit : On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 3:51 PM, Alain Portal alain.por...@free.fr wrote: Hi, I just took ownership of kbackup as it was orphan. As there is a long time that I didn´t contribute to the Fedora Project, can somebody tell me how to update the package and ask for F-10 and F-11 branches? https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/CVS_admin_requests#Package_Change_Requests_for_existing_packages Thanks -- Les pages de manuel Linux en français http://manpagesfr.free.fr signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: Come back
Le vendredi 08 janvier 2010 16:26:14, Jaroslav Reznik a écrit : F-10 branch is EOL (you probably thought F-11, F-12), for F-11/F-12 branches see [1]. Yes, of course ;-) Nice to have you back! Thanks -- Les pages de manuel Linux en français http://manpagesfr.free.fr signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: RFE : split transmission into subpackages: Request for review
On Fri, 2010-01-08 at 18:49 +0530, Ankur Sinha wrote: hi, wrt https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=550976 I've built the sub packages and have put them up here with the spec. http://ankursinha.fedorapeople.org/transmission/ Can someone please review these? You should: - post your changes as patches, to make it easier to see what's changed - have -libs for the common library bits stuff - keep the GTK+ front-end in the main package (which would avoid upgrade problems with transmission disappearing from people's menus on upgrade, and having to change comps) - split out the command-line bits into a sub-package Cheers -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: Proposal: fedora-release-rawhide subpackage
On Thu, 7 Jan 2010 22:36:59 + (UTC) Zing z...@fastmail.fm wrote: What makes you think these same users won't then also edit and enable rawhide at this point? It's not much of a stretch to think these seemingly innocent users might see this rawhide package, install, and then also enable it; in fact, ISTM, a package that they don't have that promises some type of newest whizbang gadgets that they're missing out on might entice more of this class of user. :( Because it won't be on the live media that many of the install from, or the default groups that would be choosen from the dvd install. Which is more likely: 1. I am going to enable all the repos I can, oh look, something called rawhide is already here. I'll just enable it. 2. I am going to enable all the repos I can, ok. Now I am going to randomly look through the almost 19,000 packages for some that might have repo files to enable. Might I suggest: $ chattr +i /etc/yum.repos.d/fedora-rawhide.repo just kidding, well, half-kidding :) I don't want to lock rawhide in a cabinet in the basement with a 'beware of leopard' sign on it. I just don't want it to be in the same packet of stuff that everyone who comes into the store gets by default. ;) kevin signature.asc Description: PGP signature -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: Come back
2010/1/8 Alain Portal alain.por...@free.fr: I just took ownership of kbackup as it was orphan. As there is a long time that I didn´t contribute to the Fedora Project, can somebody tell me how to update the package and ask for F-10 and F-11 branches? As it has been updated last more than three months ago, it needs a new review, iirc. See http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/PackageMaintainers/OrphanedPackages#Claiming_Ownership_of_a_Retired_Package - Thomas -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Meeting Summary/logs for (20100108) FESCo meeting
Full logs at: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2010-01-08/fesco.2010-01-08-16.59.html http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2010-01-08/fesco.2010-01-08-16.59.txt http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2010-01-08/fesco.2010-01-08-16.59.log.html Meeting started by nirik at 16:59:54 UTC (full logs). Meeting summary init process (nirik, 17:00:27) New Chair (nirik, 17:04:53) Meeting time (nirik, 17:06:52) AGREED: Will try and come up with a better time/day for meeting and announce it early next week. (nirik, 17:12:38) #298 Revoke Paul Johnsons pacakger access and put him on probation. - (nirik, 17:13:54) #278 Better Hostname - https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/BetterHostname (nirik, 17:15:19) #299 Feature: AtSpiTwo - https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/AtSpiTwo (nirik, 17:19:11) AGREED: The AtSpiTwo feature is accepted. (nirik, 17:21:55) https://labs.codethink.co.uk/index.php/p/qt-atspi2/ (Kevin_Kofler, 17:22:05) (the Qt implementation) (Kevin_Kofler, 17:22:08) #300 Feature: BetterWebcamSupportF13 - https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/BetterWebcamSupportF13 (nirik, 17:22:27) AGREED: The BetterWebcamSupportF13 feature is approved. (nirik, 17:25:18) #291: Man pages Packaging Guideline (nirik, 17:26:01) Open Floor (nirik, 17:28:20) #225 Bugzilla 484855 - Mediawiki Fedora-only patch (nirik, 17:39:23) AGREED: ajax will take a look at the issue for FESCo (nirik, 17:52:03) Open Floor (again) (nirik, 17:54:35) http://whenisgood.net/fesco-meeting (cwickert, 18:01:17) Meeting ended at 18:36:29 UTC (full logs). kevin signature.asc Description: PGP signature -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Review request begs
So I know lots of people submit these sort of begs offering to do reviews in return, but... I'm a wee bit way too tied up to do any reviews in return right now, so I'm asking for reviewers to look at these simply because they're awesome packages we want in the distro... :) rinputd - A server for receiving input events over the network https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=553705 Neat little daemon that listens for a network connection from something such as the remotux app for iphone/ipod touch, and feeds received data through the linux kernel input subsystem. Basically, remotux turns the touchscreen into a trackpad, complete with tap-to-click, scrolling, etc., and you can pop up the standard keyboard and use it for, well, keyboard input. libcrystalhd - Broadcom Crystal HD device interface library https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=553717 I just got the driver for these cards merged into the linux kernel staging tree a few days ago. Now we need the device interface library to talk to the thing and add support to apps to use it. This is a hardware h.264, mpeg2 and vc1 decoder board. That's right. 100% free and open-source drivers and libs from Broadcom, and they give us a way to decode digital video on Fedora w/o violating any codec patents, since the decoding is done entirely in hardware (this is pretty similar to the mpeg2 decoder on the Hauppauge WinTV PVR-350 in that respect). Please and thank you, etc., etc. -- Jarod Wilson ja...@redhat.com -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: Review request begs
libcrystalhd - Broadcom Crystal HD device interface library https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=553717 I just got the driver for these cards merged into the linux kernel staging tree a few days ago. Now we need the device interface library to talk to the thing and add support to apps to use it. This is a hardware h.264, mpeg2 and vc1 decoder board. That's right. 100% free and open-source drivers and libs from Broadcom, and they give us a way to decode digital video on Fedora w/o violating any codec patents, since the decoding is done entirely in hardware (this is pretty similar to the mpeg2 decoder on the Hauppauge WinTV PVR-350 in that respect). I'll grab this one because I started looking at packaging it up the other day, so if someone else has done the work I was going to do the least I can do it review it :-) Cheers, Peter -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: Question about dist-cvs make targets
On Thu, 07 Jan 2010 18:28:26 +0100, Jesse Keating wrote: Is anybody out there making use of the following targets? I wanted to use this one: unused-fedora-patches but it does not work, it works only for kernel; fix has been ignored: https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/1881 Regards, Jan -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: Come back
Le vendredi 08 janvier 2010 19:17:48, Thomas Moschny a écrit : As it has been updated last more than three months ago, it needs a new review, iirc. See http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/PackageMaintainers/OrphanedPackages#Claiming_ Ownership_of_a_Retired_Package Mamoru Tasaka already told me that a new review was needed. So, I opened a new review request: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=553739 -- Les pages de manuel Linux en français http://manpagesfr.free.fr signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: Review request begs
rinputd - A server for receiving input events over the network https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=553705 I'm taking this for review, it's just too cool not to... Jarod Wilson ja...@redhat.com -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: Our static Libraries packaging guidelines once more
Till Maas wrote: I would like to have this with a slight modificiation. If a package FTBFS for at least a certain amount of time (e.g. two weeks) at the time of Beta, then every provenpackager may just fix the bugs for another certain amount of time (e.g. another two weeks) and if nobody fixes it then it should be dropped. Provenpackagers can already do that. Please just do it! Or maybe we could have some kind of neglected packages task force, that may just in general fix bugs in packages that are not fixed by the original maintainer. +1. I've been unofficially part of such a force in the past, and fixed a lot of FTBFS, broken dependency etc. bugs. Alex Lancaster also helped a lot with broken deps. But I can only do so much fixing on my own. Any help welcome! So I'd welcome an official task force being instated for this. The advantage over becoming co-maintainer of certain packages is then, that one does not get all the noise about bugs that are already been taken care of by the original maintainer. Yeah, I surely can't comaintain all the packages I fix, they're way too many. Making things pass basic packaging-level QA (builds and has no broken deps) does not and should not require signing up to sort out any and all issues with the package. Kevin Kofler -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: yum-presto and comps
Jens Petersen wrote: In F12 we shipped yum-presto in @gnome-desktop - a kind of a compromise I guess. Presto/deltarpm is very useful for machines with low net connectivity to mirrors but enough resources to rebuild rpms. But yum-presto is not a desktop package at all and certainly does not belong in the gnome-desktop group. [1] +1 In fact, we voted in FESCo that it should be added to one of the base groups instead (@base, I guess). It makes no sense to have it in @gnome-desktop nor in the KDE .ks file (which is where it is at the moment – for KDE, it's in the .ks because we refused to add it to @kde-desktop as it has nothing to do with KDE). Kevin Kofler -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: Proposal: fedora-release-rawhide subpackage
Please do so. Entirely too many general users click-enable rawhide and never even see the comments in the .repo file at all. They are never presented a warning or anything of the sort. Split it into an optional package, and anyone that understands what it is will easily be able to install. -dj On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 9:47 PM, Kevin Fenzi ke...@scrye.com wrote: Greetings. I'd like to propose splitting out the /etc/yum.repos.d/fedora-rawhide.repo file into a fedora-release-rawhide subpackage which is NOT installed by default or shipped on the live media. I wrote up this using the Feature template, but I don't guess it's really that much of a feature: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/RawhideRepoSubpackage (except in that it needs coordination across the distro and docs updates, etc). Thoughts? (either here or the talk page of the above wiki link). Thanks, kevin -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: Heads-up: %define vs %global in specs
On Thu, Jan 07, 2010 at 11:54:14AM +0200, Panu Matilainen wrote:
On Tue, 5 Jan 2010, Panu Matilainen wrote:
For the impatient:
Starting with today's rawhide, the these kind of constructs in
specs no longer work:
%{?!foo: %define foo bar}
For the generally desired effect, the above simply becomes:
%{?!foo: %global foo bar}
This is already recommended by the Fedora guidelines, but packages
which haven't been updated to follow the guideline might need
revising:
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging/Guidelines#.25global_preferred_over_.25define
FYI, this change broke font package macros.
I've reverted the macro scoping fix until I have a chance to
properly investigate the breakage (possibly some quirk related to
%{lua: ...} macros).
I've updated the %global preferred over %define section to say that the bug
is fixed in F13 so people should definitely avoid %{?!foo: %define [..]}
type constructs. If this doesn't make it back in in time for F13, let me
know and I'll update for when we do fix it.
-Toshio
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Re: rawhide report: possible improvements ?
On Sat, 2010-01-09 at 13:06 +1100, David Timms wrote: On 09/01/10 00:32, Rawhide Report wrote: Compose started at Fri Jan 8 08:15:04 UTC 2010 Broken deps for i386 -- ... ghc-HTTP-devel-4000.0.6-6.fc13.i686 requires ghc = 0:6.10.4 ghc-HTTP-devel-4000.0.6-6.fc13.i686 requires ghc = 0:6.10.4 ghc-HTTP-doc-4000.0.6-6.fc13.i686 requires ghc-doc = 0:6.10.4 ghc-HTTP-doc-4000.0.6-6.fc13.i686 requires ghc-doc = 0:6.10.4 ghc-HTTP-prof-4000.0.6-6.fc13.i686 requires ghc-prof = 0:6.10.4 ghc-cairo-devel-0.10.1-5.fc12.i686 requires ghc = 0:6.10.4 ghc-cairo-devel-0.10.1-5.fc12.i686 requires ghc = 0:6.10.4 ghc-cairo-prof-0.10.1-5.fc12.i686 requires ghc-prof = 0:6.10.4 ghc-cgi-devel-3001.1.7.1-3.fc13.i686 requires ghc = 0:6.10.4 ghc-cgi-devel-3001.1.7.1-3.fc13.i686 requires ghc = 0:6.10.4 ghc-cgi-doc-3001.1.7.1-3.fc13.i686 requires ghc-doc = 0:6.10.4 ghc-cgi-doc-3001.1.7.1-3.fc13.i686 requires ghc-doc = 0:6.10.4 ghc-cgi-prof-3001.1.7.1-3.fc13.i686 requires ghc-prof = 0:6.10.4 ghc-fgl-devel-5.4.2.2-1.fc12.i686 requires ghc = 0:6.10.4 ghc-fgl-devel-5.4.2.2-1.fc12.i686 requires ghc = 0:6.10.4 ghc-fgl-doc-5.4.2.2-1.fc12.i686 requires ghc-doc = 0:6.10.4 ghc-fgl-doc-5.4.2.2-1.fc12.i686 requires ghc-doc = 0:6.10.4 ghc-fgl-prof-5.4.2.2-1.fc12.i686 requires ghc-prof = 0:6.10.4 ghc-gconf-devel-0.10.1-5.fc12.i686 requires ghc = 0:6.10.4 ghc-gconf-devel-0.10.1-5.fc12.i686 requires ghc = 0:6.10.4 Hi, I noticed that some broken ones are duped (usually together), making it look like there is nearly twice as many as there really is. Would sort -u dedupe those ? Also, it could be cleaner and easier to read to invert or summarize the unsatisfied requires like: Broken dependencies: ghc-HTTP-devel-4000.0.6-6.fc13.i686 ghc-cairo-devel-0.10.1-5.fc12.i686 ghc-fgl-devel-5.4.2.2-1.fc12.i686 ghc-gconf-devel-0.10.1-5.fc12.i686 ghc-cgi-devel-3001.1.7.1-3.fc13.i686 all require ghc = 0:6.10.4, which is not available. or ghc-doc = 0:6.10.4 is not available, but is required by: ghc-HTTP-doc-4000.0.6-6.fc13.i686 ghc-cgi-doc-3001.1.7.1-3.fc13.i686 ghc-fgl-doc-5.4.2.2-1.fc12.i686 It might be nice to see the headings indented, and the package n-v-r-a info not indented, (since long package names, makes for more difficult to read emails, due to replies inserting quoting ( ) characters and oveflowing a single line. Also the report subject could include say '-' separators between y, m, day, like 2010-01-08 (which is another variant of the iso format that still sorts by date nicely ;) Reviewing patches. -- Jesse Keating Fedora -- Freedom² is a feature! identi.ca: http://identi.ca/jkeating signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: yum-presto and comps
On Fri, 08 Jan 2010 21:42:06 +0100 Kevin Kofler kevin.kof...@chello.at wrote: Jens Petersen wrote: In F12 we shipped yum-presto in @gnome-desktop - a kind of a compromise I guess. Presto/deltarpm is very useful for machines with low net connectivity to mirrors but enough resources to rebuild rpms. But yum-presto is not a desktop package at all and certainly does not belong in the gnome-desktop group. [1] +1 In fact, we voted in FESCo that it should be added to one of the base groups instead (@base, I guess). It makes no sense to have it in @gnome-desktop nor in the KDE .ks file (which is where it is at the moment – for KDE, it's in the .ks because we refused to add it to @kde-desktop as it has nothing to do with KDE). I guess I would be fine with it being in @base or something. We can always - it in the Xfce kickstart or any other spin that doesn't want it by default. kevin signature.asc Description: PGP signature -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: Common Lisp apps in Fedora
Kevin Kofler: Ouch, we weren't aware of all these issues when we approved common-lisp- controller in FESCo. :-( It was sold to us as something great and working perfectly. I wasn't aware that it didn't actually work at all at this time and I strongly doubt the rest of FESCo was either. It makes no sense to have a packaging guideline mandate using something which doesn't work. Jerry James: The alternative to common-lisp-controller, for libraries at least, is to have lots of subpackages:... I can see why Debian went with common-lisp-controller It helps keep insanity at bay. Common-lisp-controller would probably be very helpful for libraries if it *did* work. But it appears that mandating it was premature. Jerry James: But I think we need to have an escape clause for applications, and also for libraries that take a significant amount of time/space to compile. No escape clause needed for applications. The 2nd sentence of: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging:Lisp This document does not describe conventions and customs for application programs that are written in Common Lisp. I think it should be backed down until it's *really* fixed (awakening upstream as necessary). --- David A. Wheeler -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: introduction
On Fri, 8 Jan 2010, Bert Desmet wrote: Hi, My name is Bert Desmet, and I would like to help somewhat in the infrastructure team. I know the Fedora project already a bit as I am an ambassador for about a year now. You can find some useful info about me here: fedoraproject.org/wiki/user:Biertie So, I am a student, and I am eager to learn more about system administration. The things I already know is from testing on my fedora machines, and my centos server. So I know the basics from some things. I am especially interested in getting to know the tools used to keep a professional infrastructure running -something they don't learn you at school- if you have any questions about me, or you want to suggest something, you can find me a lot on irc, or via the mailing lists off course. Welcome bert! we already talked on IRC but I didn't want to leave this intro hanging. -Mike ___ Fedora-infrastructure-list mailing list Fedora-infrastructure-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-infrastructure-list
Re: yslow website stats
On Fri, Jan 08, 2010 at 11:07:53AM -0600, Mike McGrath wrote: On Fri, 8 Jan 2010, Bert Desmet wrote: Hi mmcgrath asked me to collect some statistics about the fedora website. He asked me to use yahoo's yslow. You can find the results here: http://bdesmet.be/upload/finished.pdf yahoo's page with extra information on every test: http://developer.yahoo.com/performance/rules.html Thanks bert. I'm wondering how much of these we can do something about (the low hanging fruit) The Use a CDN messages all disappear with a config file setting stating that fp.o _is_ a CDN. Setting up better expiry times on /static/ and /web/static/ should be low-hanging fruit. Adding compression should be low-hanging fruit, but will increase the CPU needed on the app/proxy servers. CSS at top, and javascript at the bottom, I can't say, having not looked at the pages in question. May be easy. Rest are opportunistic I'd say. -- Matt Domsch Technology Strategist, Dell Office of the CTO linux.dell.com www.dell.com/linux ___ Fedora-infrastructure-list mailing list Fedora-infrastructure-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-infrastructure-list
Re: yslow website stats
On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 9:04 PM, Mike McGrath mmcgr...@redhat.com wrote: On Fri, 8 Jan 2010, Toshio Kuratomi wrote: On Fri, Jan 08, 2010 at 10:42:35AM -0800, Darren VanBuren wrote: On the matter of Expires, here's what would need to be added to an Apache config, assuming static stuff is in /srv/web/static: Directory /srv/web/static ExpiresByType image/gif access plus 1 month ExpiresByType image/png access plus 1 month ExpiresByType text/css access plus 1 month ExpiresByType text/javascript access plus 1 month /Directory Of course we can tweak the times, I just made up 1 month. Is this how Expires work? :: * Client requests fp.o/static/fedora.css * Client receives fedora.css with an Expires line of 1 month * For the next month, the client does not retrieve new versions of fedora.css. If so, we're either going to want to keep the Expires time pretty low (an hour or less) or start adding version information into all of our static resources. That's a great question and one I've been curious about as well. how's that whole system supposed to work? What if I close the browser? Will it still use the cache if it was set to 1 month? -Mike My understanding from the limited amount of cache stuff I have done is that if you use Expires and have it set for a month, then the data will sit on the browser's computer for that time, or until the cache is manually cleared. However thanks to HTTP 1.1 we now have access to cache-control headers [1] which includes must-revalidate and proxy-revalidate which creates a check to see if the data is the most recent or if it needs to be resent, this is more traffic, but can increase confidence that it is the newest data. This: Cache-Control: max-age=3600, must-revalidate would require a check, and also expire every 3600 seconds. [1] http://www.w3.org/Protocols/rfc2616/rfc2616-sec14.html#sec14.9 --Brennan Ashton ___ Fedora-infrastructure-list mailing list Fedora-infrastructure-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-infrastructure-list
Re: How to verify nvidia drivers working
On Thu, 2010-01-07 at 16:08 +0100, Jan Litwi?ski wrote: G'day steve, * stevenetwor...@cox.net [100107 15:56] wrote: I am building a new FC12 system intended for MythTV which needs the acceleration provided by the drivers for my nvidia video card. After following the advice herehttp://linuxsoftwareblog.com/blog/?p=232 I think I have them installed properly, but I only say that because X works after the install. Is there some kind of test that will tell me for sure if these drivers are functioning properly and providing the video services they?re supposed to? glxgears ? The default configuration for the nvidia driver displays a splash screen on startup with the nvidia brand name. If you see that, you're good. Also look in /var/log/Xorg.0.log for the name of the driver that loaded. Also, lsmod should show the nvidia kernel module. There is a program available at http://hftom.free.fr/qvdpautest-0.5.tar.gz which will test and spec out your system. It will give you information such as: SURFACE GET BITS: 1169.1 M/s SURFACE PUT BITS: 1255.18 M/s MPEG DECODING (1920x1080): 78 pic/s VC1 DECODING (1440x1080): 94 pic/s MIXER WEAVE (1920x1080): 5586 frames/s MIXER BOB (1920x1080): 8771 fields/s MIXER TEMPORAL (1920x1080): 2150 fields/s MIXER TEMPORAL_SPATIAL (1920x1080): 753 fields/s (That is from a GTX285.) Geoff -- Please let me know if anything I say offends you. I may wish to offend you again in the future. Tux says: Be regular. Eat cron flakes. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Problem with latest F12 updates
Anybody has the same (or similar) problem with latest F12 updates (Package deb vs. perl-5.8.6)? sudo yum update Loaded plugins: presto, refresh-packagekit Setting up Update Process Resolving Dependencies -- Running transaction check --- Package acl.i686 0:2.2.49-2.fc12 set to be updated --- Package foomatic-db.noarch 0:4.0-8.20091126.fc12 set to be updated --- Package foomatic-db-filesystem.noarch 0:4.0-8.20091126.fc12 set to be updated --- Package foomatic-db-ppds.noarch 0:4.0-8.20091126.fc12 set to be updated --- Package gnome-user-share.i686 0:2.28.2-1.fc12 set to be updated --- Package gtk-vnc.i686 0:0.3.10-2.fc12 set to be updated --- Package libacl.i686 0:2.2.49-2.fc12 set to be updated --- Package microcode_ctl.i686 1:1.17-1.57.fc12 set to be updated --- Package netpbm.i686 0:10.47.07-1.fc12 set to be updated --- Package perl.i686 4:5.10.0-87.fc12 set to be updated --- Package perl-Compress-Raw-Zlib.i686 0:2.023-87.fc12 set to be updated --- Package perl-Compress-Zlib.i686 0:2.008-87.fc12 set to be updated --- Package perl-ExtUtils-CBuilder.i686 1:0.24-87.fc12 set to be updated --- Package perl-ExtUtils-Embed.i686 0:1.28-87.fc12 set to be updated --- Package perl-ExtUtils-MakeMaker.i686 0:6.36-87.fc12 set to be updated --- Package perl-ExtUtils-ParseXS.i686 1:2.18-87.fc12 set to be updated --- Package perl-IO-Compress-Base.i686 0:2.015-87.fc12 set to be updated --- Package perl-IO-Compress-Zlib.i686 0:2.015-87.fc12 set to be updated --- Package perl-IPC-Cmd.i686 1:0.42-87.fc12 set to be updated --- Package perl-Locale-Maketext-Simple.i686 1:0.18-87.fc12 set to be updated --- Package perl-Module-Load.i686 1:0.12-87.fc12 set to be updated --- Package perl-Module-Load-Conditional.i686 0:0.30-87.fc12 set to be updated --- Package perl-Module-Pluggable.i686 1:3.90-87.fc12 set to be updated --- Package perl-Object-Accessor.i686 1:0.32-87.fc12 set to be updated --- Package perl-Params-Check.i686 1:0.26-87.fc12 set to be updated --- Package perl-Pod-Escapes.i686 1:1.04-87.fc12 set to be updated --- Package perl-Pod-Simple.i686 1:3.07-87.fc12 set to be updated --- Package perl-Test-Harness.i686 0:3.16-87.fc12 set to be updated --- Package perl-devel.i686 4:5.10.0-87.fc12 set to be updated --- Package perl-libs.i686 4:5.10.0-87.fc12 set to be updated --- Package perl-version.i686 3:0.74-87.fc12 set to be updated --- Package smartmontools.i686 1:5.39-1.fc12 set to be updated --- Package tzdata.noarch 0:2009u-1.fc12 set to be updated --- Package tzdata-java.noarch 0:2009u-1.fc12 set to be updated --- Package webkitgtk.i686 0:1.1.15.4-1.fc12 set to be updated --- Package wpa_supplicant.i686 1:0.6.8-8.fc12 set to be updated --- Package xkeyboard-config.noarch 0:1.7-2.fc12 set to be updated --- Package xorg-x11-drv-evdev.i686 0:2.3.2-2.fc12 set to be updated --- Package xorg-x11-drv-synaptics.i686 0:1.2.1-1.fc12 set to be updated --- Package xorg-x11-font-utils.i686 1:7.2-11.fc12 set to be updated -- Finished Dependency Resolution Dependencies Resolved PackageArch VersionRepository Size Updating: acli686 2.2.49-2.fc12 updates 74 k foomatic-dbnoarch 4.0-8.20091126.fc12updates 1.0 M foomatic-db-filesystem noarch 4.0-8.20091126.fc12updates 4.4 k foomatic-db-ppds noarch 4.0-8.20091126.fc12updates 19 M gnome-user-share i686 2.28.2-1.fc12 updates 599 k gtk-vnci686 0.3.10-2.fc12 updates 93 k libacl i686 2.2.49-2.fc12 updates 23 k microcode_ctl i686 1:1.17-1.57.fc12 updates 423 k netpbm i686 10.47.07-1.fc12updates 802 k perl i686 4:5.10.0-87.fc12 updates 9.7 M perl-Compress-Raw-Zlib i686 2.023-87.fc12 updates 73 k perl-Compress-Zlib i686 2.008-87.fc12 updates 38 k perl-ExtUtils-CBuilder i686 1:0.24-87.fc12 updates 39 k perl-ExtUtils-Embedi686 1.28-87.fc12 updates 24 k perl-ExtUtils-MakeMakeri686 6.36-87.fc12 updates 280 k perl-ExtUtils-ParseXS i686 1:2.18-87.fc12 updates 38 k perl-IO-Compress-Base i686 2.015-87.fc12 updates 61 k perl-IO-Compress-Zlib i686 2.015-87.fc12 updates 129 k perl-IPC-Cmd i686 1:0.42-87.fc12 updates 33 k perl-Locale-Maketext-Simplei686 1:0.18-87.fc12 updates 24 k perl-Module-Load i686 1:0.12-87.fc12 updates 21 k perl-Module-Load-Conditional
Re: Cairo-dock kills my Box
On Thursday 07 January 2010 23:21:53 jim wrote: I had cairo-dock installed, but I removed it and now I got problems with libcairo.so.2 . The libcairo.so.2 library is part of the cairo package (a 2D graphics library), and has nothing whatsoever to do with cairo-dock (an eye-candy dock). Instead of removing cairo-dock, you probably removed the cairo package. So you probably broke the system yourself. My guess is that a yum install cairo will fix your issues. How exactly did you try to remove cairo-dock? What command did you use? HTH, :-) Marko -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Unable to enable Pulseaudio Multicast/RTP receiver
Hello I m using Fedora 12 and I m trying to enable the Multicast/RTP receiver of pulseaudio. In the preferences window of the padevchooser applet, under the Multicast/RTP tab, the checkboxes are disabled. A Install button is available. When I click on this button, a window tells me that the file /usr/lib/pulse-0.9.19/modules/module-rtp-recv.so is needed. When I try to continue, packagekit try to install the package pulseaudio-0.9.19-2.fc12. Off course pulseaudio is already installed, and this process fails. Here is the list of pulseaudio RPMs installed : pulseaudio-gdm-hooks-0.9.21-2.fc12.i686 pulseaudio-utils-0.9.21-2.fc12.i686 pulseaudio-libs-0.9.21-2.fc12.i686 pulseaudio-libs-glib2-0.9.21-2.fc12.i686 pulseaudio-module-bluetooth-0.9.21-2.fc12.i686 pulseaudio-0.9.21-2.fc12.i686 pulseaudio-libs-zeroconf-0.9.21-2.fc12.i686 pulseaudio-module-gconf-0.9.21-2.fc12.i686 pulseaudio-libs-devel-0.9.21-2.fc12.i686 kde-settings-pulseaudio-4.3-15.1.noarch pulseaudio-module-x11-0.9.21-2.fc12.i686 alsa-plugins-pulseaudio-1.0.21-2.fc12.i686 projectM-pulseaudio-1.2.0-5.fc12.i686 So, how can I solve this problem, or is there another way to enable the multicast rtp receiver ? Thanks for your help Axel -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
fedora 12 automated installation
Hi list, i'm trying to make a bootable, fully automated, fedora 12 installation. Well, to make the iso bootable is quite easy, copied the f12 dvd, personalized, remastered. To make everything automated i've done a ks.cfg file, partitioned disk, and so on. The thing which is blocking me is that a network connection is required, but when i install from the usual dvd i don't need it. So what is wrong with my ks.cfg file? Or where can i find the ks.cfg file from fedora12? Thanks Pietro -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Problem with latest F12 updates
Joachim Backes wrote: Anybody has the same (or similar) problem with latest F12 updates snip ERROR with rpm_check_debug vs depsolve: perl = 5.8.6 is needed by (installed) deb-1.10.27-3.i586 Complete! (1, [u'Please report this error in http://yum.baseurl.org/report']) -- if you log yum.baseurl.org, and enter; ERROR with rpm_check_debug vs depsolve: in search bar, you will get 272 hits. Installed perl on my box: perl-5.10.0-82.fc12.i686 before or after getting error message? if your error is unique, did you report error as asked to do? i had a similar error during update and found solution in second hit from yum.baseurl.org. later. -- peace out. tc,hago. g . in a free world without fences, who needs gates. ** help microsoft stamp out piracy - give linux to a friend today. ** to mess up a linux box, you need to work at it. to mess up an ms windows box, you just need to *look* at it. ** learn linux: 'Rute User's Tutorial and Exposition' http://rute.2038bug.com/index.html 'The Linux Documentation Project' http://www.tldp.org/ 'LDP HOWTO-index' http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/HOWTO-INDEX/index.html 'HowtoForge' http://howtoforge.com/ signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Problem with latest F12 updates
Joachim Backes wrote: Anybody has the same (or similar) problem with latest F12 updates (Package deb vs. perl-5.8.6)? Total size: 42 M Is this ok [y/N]: y Downloading Packages: Running rpm_check_debug ERROR with rpm_check_debug vs depsolve: perl = 5.8.6 is needed by (installed) deb-1.10.27-3.i586 Complete! (1, [u'Please report this error in http://yum.baseurl.org/report']) -- Installed perl on my box: perl-5.10.0-82.fc12.i686 What is deb? I could not find that in any of the fedora repositories that I've enabled. -- A snake lurks in the grass. -- Publius Vergilius Maro (Virgil) Guess Who! http://tinyurl.com/mc4xe7 signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
fedora core 12 with dual head and kde
Hello fedora users, how can I configure KDE to spread the desktop over two monitors. I'm using a Dell Optiplex 760. lspci shows 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 4 Series Chipset Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 03) A xorg.conf doesn't exist. With krandr both screens are overlayed and could not be moved. Thanks in advance Wolfgang -- Wolfgang Leideck Alberichstr. 14 D - 68199 Mannheim -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Problem with latest F12 updates
Ed Greshko wrote: What is deb? I could not find that in any of the fedora repositories that I've enabled. http://yum.baseurl.org/search?q=deb-1.10.27-3.wiki=onchangeset=onticket=on -- peace out. tc,hago. g . in a free world without fences, who needs gates. ** help microsoft stamp out piracy - give linux to a friend today. ** to mess up a linux box, you need to work at it. to mess up an ms windows box, you just need to *look* at it. ** learn linux: 'Rute User's Tutorial and Exposition' http://rute.2038bug.com/index.html 'The Linux Documentation Project' http://www.tldp.org/ 'LDP HOWTO-index' http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/HOWTO-INDEX/index.html 'HowtoForge' http://howtoforge.com/ signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Problem with latest F12 updates
g wrote: Ed Greshko wrote: What is deb? I could not find that in any of the fedora repositories that I've enabled. http://yum.baseurl.org/search?q=deb-1.10.27-3.wiki=onchangeset=onticket=on Too bad that doesn't answer my question -- Q: How did you get into artificial intelligence? A: Seemed logical -- I didn't have any real intelligence. Guess Who! http://tinyurl.com/mc4xe7 signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
pm-suspend quirk and gnome-power-manager
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Bonjour, I try to configurate a Dell laptop (latitude D531) under f12. Suspend does not work out of the box (resume does not work). I tried from command line: pm-suspend --quirk-radeon-off And I could resume. So I did, following man pm-suspend: - -pm-suspend --quirk-radeon-off -store-quirks-as-fdi and an /etc/hal/fdi/information/99local-pm-utils-quirks.fdi was created manual is perfect! *but*: 1- pm-suspend without --quirk-radeon-off option does not work (I still cannot resume) in spite of the hal rule added 2- suspend using gnome-power-manager does not work (cannot resume) What shall I to to pass automaticaly the --quirk-radeon-off option to gnome-power-manager? Thanks for helping. - -- François Patte UFR de mathématiques et informatique Université Paris Descartes 45, rue des Saints Pères F-75270 Paris Cedex 06 Tél. +33 (0)1 4286 2145 http://www.math-info.univ-paris5.fr/~patte -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAktHCw0ACgkQdE6C2dhV2JVEgQCghe6ZmDsLPPsyxYD2R06sQ3e5 dbgAoIpUbjLruT7Bv6hwlnjOR251on4D =wc9N -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: fc12 installer fails with Gigabyte GA-EP45 SATA RAID 1
I am trying to install fc12 i386 on a PC based on the Gigabyte GA-EP45-UD3L motherboard with SATA RAID. It is an Intel chipset. I am using RAID 1 (mirror).I have installed fc8 and fc11 successfully on this hardware, but with fc12 on various attempts I either get that the installer does not recognise the raid array or, when it did attempt to install, it took an inordinate time to install the packages then, once the system was installed and running, thefile systems froze during the transfer of a large set of files. Has anyone else experienced these problems with this hardware (or similar) and if so, do they have a remedy? Or do I just have to wait for a new Fedora release? I would go back to fc11 but it has all sorts of problems with monitor settings - at least with my monitor. So I am back on fc8 in the interim. When it tried to install, was it installing on the raid? If you are using a live CD, check whether dmraid is installed. If it isn't, install it and activate the sata raid before the install. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Problem with latest F12 updates -solved-
On 01/08/2010 10:54 AM, Ed Greshko wrote: Joachim Backes wrote: Anybody has the same (or similar) problem with latest F12 updates (Package deb vs. perl-5.8.6)? Total size: 42 M Is this ok [y/N]: y Downloading Packages: Running rpm_check_debug ERROR with rpm_check_debug vs depsolve: perl = 5.8.6 is needed by (installed) deb-1.10.27-3.i586 Complete! (1, [u'Please report this error in http://yum.baseurl.org/report']) -- Installed perl on my box: perl-5.10.0-82.fc12.i686 What is deb? I could not find that in any of the fedora repositories that I've enabled. My mistake - deb was a suse package I had installed some months ago. -- Joachim Backes joachim.bac...@rhrk.uni-kl.de http://www.rhrk.uni-kl.de/~backes smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Problem with latest F12 updates
Ed Greshko wrote: Too bad that doesn't answer my question correct, you are. i sent wrong link. this describes it's use, and probably why op installed it; http://rpmfind.rediris.es/rpm2html/suse-9.3-i586/deb-1.10.27-3.i586.html -- peace out. tc,hago. g . in a free world without fences, who needs gates. ** help microsoft stamp out piracy - give linux to a friend today. ** to mess up a linux box, you need to work at it. to mess up an ms windows box, you just need to *look* at it. ** learn linux: 'Rute User's Tutorial and Exposition' http://rute.2038bug.com/index.html 'The Linux Documentation Project' http://www.tldp.org/ 'LDP HOWTO-index' http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/HOWTO-INDEX/index.html 'HowtoForge' http://howtoforge.com/ signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: help
On Thu, 7 Jan 2010 23:40:16 + Joseph L. Casale jcas...@activenetwerx.com wrote: we at work have some PC's with 256 MB RAM, the graphical mode doesn't load, so we choice the text mode, but in all machines we get the same error, Anaconda 12.47 do you have an idea how to solve it? Yeah, add ram. Anaconda needs like 1/2 gig, and nevermind trying to Fedora w/ 1/2gig as well... Text mode install for a minimal system, then installgroup xfce and claws and a few other apps instead of evolution and gnome. That's a reasonably quick way to debloat Fedora and actually get work done. Useful on bigger boxes too as the desktop is much snappier and starts far faster. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: help
On 01/08/2010 12:04 PM, Alan Cox wrote: On Thu, 7 Jan 2010 23:40:16 + Joseph L. Casale jcas...@activenetwerx.com wrote: we at work have some PC's with 256 MB RAM, the graphical mode doesn't load, so we choice the text mode, but in all machines we get the same error, Anaconda 12.47 do you have an idea how to solve it? Yeah, add ram. Anaconda needs like 1/2 gig, and nevermind trying to Fedora w/ 1/2gig as well... Text mode install for a minimal system, then installgroup xfce and claws and a few other apps instead of evolution and gnome. That's a reasonably quick way to debloat Fedora and actually get work done. Useful on bigger boxes too as the desktop is much snappier and starts far faster. That's a really i.nteresting and useful piece of advice that I haven't heard before. Thanks a lot, and this needs to be written up on a wall somewhere. Andrew. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: help
On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 1:04 PM, Alan Cox a...@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk wrote: On Thu, 7 Jan 2010 23:40:16 + Joseph L. Casale jcas...@activenetwerx.com wrote: we at work have some PC's with 256 MB RAM, the graphical mode doesn't load, so we choice the text mode, but in all machines we get the same error, Anaconda 12.47 do you have an idea how to solve it? Yeah, add ram. Anaconda needs like 1/2 gig, and nevermind trying to Fedora w/ 1/2gig as well... Text mode install for a minimal system, then installgroup xfce and claws and a few other apps instead of evolution and gnome. That's a reasonably quick way to debloat Fedora and actually get work done. Useful on bigger boxes too as the desktop is much snappier and starts far faster. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines Try to use Xfce or LXDE fedora live spins : http://spins.fedoraproject.org/ run them in text mode and launch the installer. -OR- transfer the disk image directly to the hard disk. i was able to run fedora Xfce live on an old p3 1ghz w/ 512mb ram. -- Athmane Madjoudj -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
LAN Card doesn't activate
Hi all, Doesn't anybody know why my LAN Cards don't get active after rebooting despite of having the check-box for automated activation checked? After every reboot I have to open Network option in System-Admin menu and activate cards manual way. Thank you Best regards, jh -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: LAN Card doesn't activate
2010/1/8 j.halifax . j.hali...@seznam.cz: Doesn't anybody know why my LAN Cards don't get active after rebooting despite of having the check-box for automated activation checked? After every reboot I have to open Network option in System-Admin menu and activate cards manual way. Take a look at the file /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth0 or equivalent. There should be a line in there that reads ONBOOT=yes. If you are using profiles, then you'll need to look under /etc/sysconfig/networking/profiles/ as well. -- Andy The only person to have all his work done by Friday was Robinson Crusoe -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: help
On Friday 08 January 2010 07:04, Alan Cox wrote: On Thu, 7 Jan 2010 23:40:16 + Joseph L. Casale jcas...@activenetwerx.com wrote: we at work have some PC's with 256 MB RAM, the graphical mode doesn't load, so we choice the text mode, but in all machines we get the same error, Anaconda 12.47 do you have an idea how to solve it? Yeah, add ram. Anaconda needs like 1/2 gig, and nevermind trying to Fedora w/ 1/2gig as well... Text mode install for a minimal system, then installgroup xfce and claws and a few other apps instead of evolution and gnome. That's a reasonably quick way to debloat Fedora and actually get work done. Useful on bigger boxes too as the desktop is much snappier and starts far faster. I've tried installing XFCE on f12 lately, and just get a lovely background and nothing else. pgpII21auy0y7.pgp Description: PGP signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: help
On Thu, Jan 07, 2010 at 09:42:06PM +, jorge a secas wrote: we at work have some PC's with 256 MB RAM, the graphical mode doesn't load, so we choice the text mode, but in all machines we get the same error, Anaconda 12.47 What is the error you get in text mode? -- Matthew Miller mat...@mattdm.org Senior Systems Architect Cyberinfrastructure Labs / Instructional Research Computing Computing Information Technology Harvard School of Engineering Applied Sciences -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
kernel module
Hi all, I created a kernel module which can be passed some command line arguments (I tried that with insmod and it works). Now I would like, when I start the kernel with grub, to have this module loaded at boot time so I can pass, at boot time, a kernel boot option to it. I mean having something like kernel vmlinuz root=/dev/ram0 initrd=linuxrc mymodule.param1=myparamvalue initrd is it possible? Thanks, Luca -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: TV over the internet
On 01/06/2010 02:26 PM, Timothy Murphy wrote: I've read lots of online postings about people who are apparently watching TV on their computers, but I haven't seen a concrete description of what to do. I'd love to see a posting from someone who has abandoned the traditional TV set in favour of the (Fedora) computer. No-one has mentioned http://tvcatchup.com so I just thought I'd throw that one in there Martin smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: F12 all media players have no video but sound only
- Original Message - From: Paul W. Frields sticks...@gmail.com To: fedora-list@redhat.com Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2010 7:06 AM Subject: Re: F12 all media players have no video but sound only On Wed, Jan 06, 2010 at 09:58:33PM -0800, barry yu wrote: MP3 players are working, Flash player plays web radio, but none of these medial players can play avi or dvd video, but audio of video movies are working; MPlayer, Xine, VLC I can assure you this works properly with totem, which properly uses gstreamer information in RPM packages, allowing PackageKit to find and offer to install support. You do need to enable third-party repositories to actually get those codecs, though, and that may have legal repercussions in some parts of the world, which is why we can't ship them out of the box: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Forbidden_items -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines I have setup sudo and used RPMFusion repository, and used yum to download and installed them, during all process no error message encountered, everything was done according to Peresonal Fedora 12 Installation Guide by Mauriat Miranda. With same computer I did these once with F8 F10 and MPlayer and Xine could work except problem with RealPlayer, this is the first time encounter such media player malfunction, now the only thing I have doubt that is the copy of F12 32bit, I downloaded it 3 times from different sources, when I did the sha1sum check none of each coud pass, and I decided to use the last download to install because when googled someone mention there was a file heading problem in F12 sha1 check and could not produce correct info for sha1sum check. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
kb to control audio line-in instead of pcm
Hi all, [Reposted: apology if this appears twice. I never received a copy from fedora-list although it did make it to gmane] This is a generic question about some user settings. Hope this is not considered off-topic. I need some help from the sound gurus among us. Running f10, pulseaudio in charge. My Logitech keyboard has 3 keys for audio: mute, up, down. Looking at my keyboard shortcuts I see that they are bound to XF86AudioMute, XF86AudioLowerVolume, XF86AudioRaiseVolume. If I open the Volume Control applet I see that it is using the Alsa mixer. Two of the sliders are PCM and Line-in. The XF86Audio functions are bound to the PCM control. Is there a way to change that binding so that the XF86Audio controls refer to Line-in? (some of my favorite stuff is 33 1/3 rpm :) Mike Wright :m) -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: TV over the internet
On 08/01/2010 15:48, Martin Airs wrote: On 01/06/2010 02:26 PM, Timothy Murphy wrote: I've read lots of online postings about people who are apparently watching TV on their computers, but I haven't seen a concrete description of what to do. I'd love to see a posting from someone who has abandoned the traditional TV set in favour of the (Fedora) computer. No-one has mentioned http://tvcatchup.com so I just thought I'd throw that one in there Martin If your son can set-up a proxy or VPN server at his house, you could connect to that then to BBC iplayer...I'm not sure how well that would work though. Also, that's against their TOS, so for my back I will say I'm not recommending you do this :) -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
mailing list losing mail?
Hi all, This list is getting more messed up by the day. Several weeks ago mail started lagging 10-25 minutes. Now mail is disappearing. I sent a post to this list yesterday @ 22:44 UTC. My server shows that it was accepted and queued for delivery. It never showed up on the list (I've checked to make sure it didn't accidentally get caught in a spam filter.) Oddly, it did show up in the gmane archives. So, I reposted that email this morning @ 16:32 UTC and once again it never appeared but did show up in gmane almost immediately. UPDATE: I just received a copy of my post 31 minutes after sending it. How can my mail make it into gmane's archives almost immediately but take more than half an hour to appear on fedora-list? These delays certainly (imo) take a lot of the usefulness away from this forum. Starting to remind me of snail mail conversations :/ My 0.02, Mike Wright -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: fedora core 12 with dual head and kde
On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 5:22 AM, Wolfgang Leideck wleid...@googlemail.com wrote: Hello fedora users, how can I configure KDE to spread the desktop over two monitors. I'm using a Dell Optiplex 760. lspci shows 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 4 Series Chipset Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 03) A xorg.conf doesn't exist. With krandr both screens are overlayed and could not be moved. Can xrandr help you out? I get the same problem, but xrandr works for me. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: mailing list losing mail?
Mike Wright wrote: Hi all, This list is getting more messed up by the day. could it be problem is on your end? I sent a post to this list yesterday @ 22:44 UTC. My server shows that i show this from list: } Received: from lan100.theorb.net (HELO ?10.1.0.100?) (10.1.0.100) } by b.mx.theorb.net with SMTP; 7 Jan 2010 22:43:58 - } Message-ID: 4b4663fc.1080...@mailinator.com } Date: Thu, 07 Jan 2010 14:45:16 -0800 } From: Mike Wright mike.wri...@mailinator.com } User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (X11/20071019) } To: For users of Fedora Core releases fedora-list@redhat.com } Subject: kb to control audio line-in instead of pcm } Sender: fedora-list-boun...@redhat.com So, I reposted that email this morning @ 16:32 UTC and once again it and i show this from list: } Received: from lan100.theorb.net (HELO ?10.1.0.100?) (10.1.0.100) } by b.mx.theorb.net with SMTP; 8 Jan 2010 16:31:06 - } Message-ID: 4b475e18.1030...@mailinator.com } Date: Fri, 08 Jan 2010 08:32:24 -0800 } From: Mike Wright mike.wri...@mailinator.com } User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (X11/20071019) } To: For users of Fedora Core releases fedora-list@redhat.com } Subject: kb to control audio line-in instead of pcm } Sender: fedora-list-boun...@redhat.com i did not note when they came in, but they are getting thru. why delay, i can not answer. -- peace out. tc,hago. g . in a free world without fences, who needs gates. ** help microsoft stamp out piracy - give linux to a friend today. ** to mess up a linux box, you need to work at it. to mess up an ms windows box, you just need to *look* at it. ** learn linux: 'Rute User's Tutorial and Exposition' http://rute.2038bug.com/index.html 'The Linux Documentation Project' http://www.tldp.org/ 'LDP HOWTO-index' http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/HOWTO-INDEX/index.html 'HowtoForge' http://howtoforge.com/ signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
is suspend broken?
When I bought my laptop, it was shipped with a cubbi-suspend2 kernel and the fglrx driver and ran under FC6.i386. suspend worked for me on the shipped configuration. When I upgraded to F9.x86_64, I no longer needed the cubbi-suspend2 kernel (now called tuxonice), and suspend worked really well. I was still using the fglrx video driver. Now that I'm running F11.x86_64, there is no fglrx (or catalyst) driver for my video, and suspend no longer works for me. There are no errors listed in my pm-suspend.log, in fact, the last thing in this file claims that it is performing suspend. However, my system never powers down and never enters the suspend mode (with the flashing power LED indicator). It remains powered on. The only way to get the system back is to lean on the power button until the system powers down. The power LED is then off. The only way to power back up is to touch the power button again, and after which the system goes through a complete cold start and reboots from scratch. When it is properly suspended, I should be able to touch any key to resume from suspend back to a running system. Can anyone please tell me what (obvious thing) I'm missing? -- Kevin J. Cummings kjch...@rcn.com cummi...@kjchome.homeip.net cummi...@kjc386.framingham.ma.us Registered Linux User #1232 (http://counter.li.org) -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: mailing list losing mail?
g wrote: Mike Wright wrote: Hi all, snip this email took about 6 minutes to come back thru list. why delay, i can not answer. but i do see where. while waiting, i looked at you email of 2010.0108 and i did note a delay of about 1 hour. being that you are using thunderbird, use ctrl+w to have a look at headers and you will see where it was delayed. -- peace out. tc,hago. g . in a free world without fences, who needs gates. ** help microsoft stamp out piracy - give linux to a friend today. ** to mess up a linux box, you need to work at it. to mess up an ms windows box, you just need to *look* at it. ** learn linux: 'Rute User's Tutorial and Exposition' http://rute.2038bug.com/index.html 'The Linux Documentation Project' http://www.tldp.org/ 'LDP HOWTO-index' http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/HOWTO-INDEX/index.html 'HowtoForge' http://howtoforge.com/ signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: mac usb drive problem with F11
On 01/07/2010 02:34 PM, Chris Smart wrote: 2010/1/8 Rick Stevensri...@nerd.com: AFAIK, only HFS, HFS+ (journaled HFS) isn't there yet. Yes, that's what I thought. Interestingly though his mount command shows that it's mounted rw, yet if he couldn't write to it I'd expect some kind of error. IIRC (and my experience had to do with using an iPod as a drive, so keep that in mind), you didn't get an error from the write. I think the write occurred as far as Linux was concerned, but the device wouldn't actually commit the write to disk because of the journal. Once you turned off journaling, writes generated an SELinux error. That should be fixed (HFS is supposed to be treated the same as NFS in later SELinux versions). I had BZ'd that glitch and I think that was the response. So Dave, under OS X you can turn journalling OFF on the device, then reboot into Linux and try it without journalling. It's something like: sudo diskutil disableJournal /Volumes/VOLUME_NAME -- - Rick Stevens, Systems Engineer ri...@nerd.com - - AIM/Skype: therps2ICQ: 22643734Yahoo: origrps2 - -- - If Bill Gates got a dime for every time Windows crashes... - - ...oh, wait. He does. THAT explains it! - -- -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: How do I get SB X-FI sound card working on Fedora 12
Back to the subject, is pulseaudio alive? $ ps -AH | grep pulse ---ps -AH | grep pulse ---1691 ?00:00:09 pulseaudio Another point that I probably should have made earlier is that I did compile alsa-driver-1.0.22.1.0.g2d697.0.g88788 since I thought I would need it. Uggghhh snd-ctxfi is already a part of the built in alsa package (1.0.21) shipped with Fedora 12. I assume that you also did a make install when compiling the alsa-driver tarball, right? (Giving you a hybrid fedora + source installing) I heard the Uggghhh and since this is really a test server I just reinstalled fedora 12 so I have a clean install now. Here is my current RPM list for alsa alsa-tools-firmware-1.0.20-4.fc12.x86_64 alsa-utils-1.0.22-1.fc12.x86_64 alsa-plugins-pulseaudio-1.0.21-2.fc12.x86_64 alsa-firmware-1.0.20-2.fc12.noarch alsa-lib-1.0.22-1.fc12.x86_64 alsa-tools-1.0.20-4.fc12.x86_64 Under then Multimedia section of system setting it now shows SB X-Fi Xtreme Audio which is different than before. I do not have a pulse audio entry though which is troubling and I do not have sound. Any other ideas? -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Clean install of Fedora 12 will not bring up login screen after upgrade(Resolved)
2010/1/8 John Nissleyjnissley nissley org: I can boot to text mode fine. I can then log in and type startx and the GUI will come up and operate correctly but if I try to boot directly into the GUI mode I do not get the log in screen to allow me to log in. Sorry, was this with or without kernel based modesetting enabled? I was about to send back that yes I did place the nomodeset in the kernel line in grub but then I looked again and I had misspelled it. Everything works now. Thanks -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: fedora core 12 with dual head and kde
On 01/08/2010 09:53 AM, Andrew Parker wrote: On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 5:22 AM, Wolfgang Leideck wleid...@googlemail.com wrote: Hello fedora users, how can I configure KDE to spread the desktop over two monitors. I'm using a Dell Optiplex 760. lspci shows 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 4 Series Chipset Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 03) A xorg.conf doesn't exist. With krandr both screens are overlayed and could not be moved. Can xrandr help you out? I get the same problem, but xrandr works for me. Can you explain how you use xrandr so that it works for you (parameters, options ? ) I wonder if this offers any additional information Xorg -configure # writes out a copy of xorg.conf.new http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en/books/handbook/x-config.html -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: is suspend broken?
I'm running Fedora 11 on an x86_64 Core 2 Quad Xeon and a Supermicro X7DWA-N motherboard. I previously ran Fedora 10. Suspend mostly works for me, but when I wake back up, I can't make the network work. I tried restarting networking, ifconfig down and then up again, but nothing I've tried will make the network come back. I've been assuming it's a kernel bug, but haven't gotten it together to report it. Does anyone else have this problem? A workaround? Don Quixote -- Don Quixote de la Mancha quix...@dulcineatech.com http://www.dulcineatech.com Dulcinea Technologies Corporation: Software of Elegance and Beauty. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: is suspend broken?
On 01/08/2010 01:53 PM, Don Quixote de la Mancha wrote: I'm running Fedora 11 on an x86_64 Core 2 Quad Xeon and a Supermicro X7DWA-N motherboard. I previously ran Fedora 10. Suspend mostly works for me, but when I wake back up, I can't make the network work. I tried restarting networking, ifconfig down and then up again, but nothing I've tried will make the network come back. Glad to see that you can at least suspend. suspend never completes for me. I can't get there to see if I can resume or not. I've been assuming it's a kernel bug, but haven't gotten it together to report it. Does anyone else have this problem? A workaround? I'm in the same boat, I haven't reported any bug yet, but I will have time this weekend to play with it. Don Quixote -- Kevin J. Cummings kjch...@rcn.com cummi...@kjchome.homeip.net cummi...@kjc386.framingham.ma.us Registered Linux User #1232 (http://counter.li.org) -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: mailing list losing mail?
g wrote: g wrote: Mike Wright wrote: Hi all, snip this email took about 6 minutes to come back thru list. why delay, i can not answer. but i do see where. while waiting, i looked at you email of 2010.0108 and i did note a delay of about 1 hour. being that you are using thunderbird, use ctrl+w to have a look at headers and you will see where it was delayed. Thanks g, This is from the last 9 messages headers. At first it looked like dns errors, then maybe greylisting, but I think the variation in delivery times points to something else. The delay is always between my server and the server below. Received: from mx1-phx2.redhat.com (HELO mx01.util.phx2.redhat.com) 00:28:14 00:28:21 00:28:13 00:24:56 00:26:41 00:24:43 00:28:46 00:26:50 00:20:08 Mine is a qmail server that's been in service for years. Neither it nor its dns has been changed (that I remember) and all other mail seems to show up almost immediately. I've been on this list for a really long time and never had problems before. Wonder what it could be? -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Installing F12 on Mactel
Hi, I've tried to install F12 on my Core 2 Duo iMac. The installation seemed to go okay but there's no sign of Fedora when I boot. I hold down the Option key and just get the MacOS partition. Is there a trick to this? Thanks in advance, Leon... -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: is suspend broken?
On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 10:05 AM, Kevin J. Cummings cummi...@kjchome.homeip.net wrote: When I bought my laptop, it was shipped with a cubbi-suspend2 kernel and the fglrx driver and ran under FC6.i386. suspend worked for me on the shipped configuration. When I upgraded to F9.x86_64, I no longer needed the cubbi-suspend2 kernel (now called tuxonice), and suspend worked really well. I was still using the fglrx video driver. Now that I'm running F11.x86_64, there is no fglrx (or catalyst) driver for my video, and suspend no longer works for me. There are no errors listed in my pm-suspend.log, in fact, the last thing in this file claims that it is performing suspend. However, my system never powers down and never enters the suspend mode (with the flashing power LED indicator). It remains powered on. The only way to get the system back is to lean on the power button until the system powers down. The power LED is then off. The only way to power back up is to touch the power button again, and after which the system goes through a complete cold start and reboots from scratch. When it is properly suspended, I should be able to touch any key to resume from suspend back to a running system. Can anyone please tell me what (obvious thing) I'm missing? Not sure if this will help, but you can try. I have a Lenovo T60 with some ATI graphics card and the standard radeon driver. Suspend only works if the system is booted with a nomodeset option. I don't quite recall what went wrong when trying suspend on a modesetting kernel, but it never worked. BTW, as far as I remember, when suspended, the machine only wakes up when the laptop lid is opened - pressing keys does not wake it up. HTH, Peter -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Best way to get minimal system
Tim wrote: On Tue, 2010-01-05 at 16:11 -0500, Bill Davidsen wrote: My solution to installs for little machines is a box I got from Newegg, has a USB connector and PATA inside for old drives (SATA available as well), and I install on a real computer with lots of resources, even if I'm running on next to nothing. To transplant the drive to another computer? I've done that, but you have to beware that you can install a system that won't work (without some fiddling) on another computer. I've been lucky that there was only a minimum of fiddling required, but it's possible to create a system that can't read the hard drive, and you need to know how to rebuild the initrd to resolve it. I'm reminded that I built a disk image of the proper size on a KVM virtual machine, and then used the adaptor and dd to do the install, with seek time issues minimized by a pure sequential write. THat was KVM from cli, I have no idea if you could do that from any of the GUI tools. -- Bill Davidsen david...@tmr.com We have more to fear from the bungling of the incompetent than from the machinations of the wicked. - from Slashdot -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Flash Problem
On 10-01-08 00:21:56, Chris Smart wrote: ... Dirac is based on wavelets, completely different technology. It's also lossless, while Theora is not. http://www.bbc.co.uk/rd/projects/dirac/technology.shtml; According to that reference, Dirac is a typical lossy encoding method. The loss is introduced by the Quantization step, while the compression comes from entropy-coding the quantized (decimated) data with Arithmetic Coding. -- TonyN.:' mailto:tonynel...@georgeanelson.com ' http://www.georgeanelson.com/ -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Network Audio
Paul W. Frields wrote: On Tue, Jan 05, 2010 at 04:33:28PM -0500, Bill Davidsen wrote: I would love to just use one system for sound and let other systems send audio to it. Is network audio a reasonable solution? Suggestions if not? Assume having multiple systems using the same server is not an issue, coordination is possible, overlap is acceptable. I do this in my home office with PulseAudio's network capabilities. Works like a champ. Would you have a link to some cookbook documentation? Google is more successful and less discriminating than I like. And could I put this on the KVM host and then have all the VMs speak network audio to it? That would be useful. -- Bill Davidsen david...@tmr.com We have more to fear from the bungling of the incompetent than from the machinations of the wicked. - from Slashdot -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: fedora core 12 with dual head and kde
On Friday 08 January 2010 18:28:11 Paul Campbell wrote: On 01/08/2010 09:53 AM, Andrew Parker wrote: On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 5:22 AM, Wolfgang Leideck how can I configure KDE to spread the desktop over two monitors. I'm using a Dell Optiplex 760. Can xrandr help you out? I get the same problem, but xrandr works for me. Can you explain how you use xrandr so that it works for you (parameters, options ? ) If you type just xrandr, it will display relevant info about your setup, among other things available outputs and their status (connected/disconnected, etc.). On my laptop there are three outputs, named LVDS1, VGA1 and TV1. Depending on your graphics card(s) you may have more and they may be named differently. Once you have found out the names of relevant outputs, you can do something like: xrandr --output LVDS1 --auto --output VGA1 --auto --right-of LVDS1 This puts my laptop screen (LVDS1) in its native resolution (1280x800) as the left screen, and my external monitor (VGA1) in its native resolution (1680x1050) as the right screen. That's basically what you need. There are a lot more options to play around with. For example you may wish to put both monitors in the same resolution (provided that it is supported by both monitors) --- just add a --mode 1024x768 instead of --auto in both places above. Or you may wish to rotate the VGA1 output upside-down (add --rotate inverted after the VGA1 output). And so on... Finally, you may wish to read man xrandr, paying most attention to version 1.2 options, as they are most commonly used (AFAIK). HTH, :-) Marko -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
installation from boot.iso on a usb stick
Is this possible? Or only the live cd can be transferred to a usb drive? I like what http://docs.fedoraproject.org/install-guide/f12/en-US/html/ch-new-users.html#sn-which-files says about installing from boot.iso, but if that requires a real cd, then I won't be able to do it. By using livecd-iso-to-disk and some manual copying of the images from boot.iso to a usb stick, I got as far as the partitioning, but then I got this: Missing ISO 9660 image. The installer has tried to mount image #1, but cannot find it on the hard drive. Please copy this image to the drive and click Retry. Is there a way to tell the installer to install the packages from the repositories? Andras -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Setting up Tigervnc [FAILED] ?!?
Hi; I think I have yummed every thing I need. What is the following warning telling me? ]# service vncserver start Starting VNC server: no displays configured [FAILED] And how do I fix it? I have checked the /etc/sysconfig/vncservers file. I don't see anything about a display. I assume something is looking for an X display:0 -- Regards Bill Fedora 12, Gnome 2.28 Evo.2.28, Emacs 23.1.1 -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
ASF format ??
I recieved a Video that says it's a .wmv file but Linux Properties says it is a ASF format. I have tried to play it with VLC, Xine, Mplayer but there is a codec problem. They all play the Audio of the file but not the Video. Using Mplayer, I get this error message. The playback of this movie requires a video/x-asf-unknown decoder plugin which is not installed. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Fedora 12: no sound
First, upgraded from Fedora 10 to Fedora 12. Using Fedora 10 I had sound working. With Fedora 12 after each boot, there is no /dev/dsp file. Running modprobe snd-pcm-oss generates the /dev/dsp file. Is there a way to get /dev/dsp to stick around? So, no sound. cat /proc/asound/cards 0 [Intel ]: HDA-Intel - HDA Intel HDA Intel at 0xfbff8000 irq 22 /sbin/lspci | grep Audio 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801JI (ICH10 Family) HD Audio Controller /sbin/lsmod | grep -c snd Module Size Used by snd_pcm_oss44784 0 snd_mixer_oss 16976 1 snd_pcm_oss snd_hda_codec_analog75872 1 snd_hda_intel 30360 0 snd_hda_codec 72832 2 snd_hda_codec_analog,snd_hda_intel snd_hwdep 9224 1 snd_hda_codec snd_seq58080 0 snd_seq_device 7620 1 snd_seq snd_pcm83144 3 snd_pcm_oss,snd_hda_intel,snd_hda_codec snd_timer 22608 2 snd_seq,snd_pcm snd67592 10 snd_pcm_oss,snd_mixer_oss,snd_hda_codec_analog,snd_hda_intel,snd_hda_codec,snd_hwdep,snd_seq,snd_seq_device,snd_pcm,snd_timer soundcore 7328 1 snd snd_page_alloc 9568 2 snd_hda_intel,snd_pcm When I run gnome-volume-control, the Output tab only show the Dummy Output Stereo device. Running pavucontrol, the Output Devices tab only shows the Dummy Output device. How do I get the sound card to showup as an Output device? Richard -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Setting up Tigervnc [FAILED] ?!?
William Case wrote: Hi; I think I have yummed every thing I need. What is the following warning telling me? ]# service vncserver start Starting VNC server: no displays configured [FAILED] And how do I fix it? I have checked the /etc/sysconfig/vncservers file. I don't see anything about a display. I assume something is looking for an X display:0 It would be useful for you to tell people what you have in your vncservers file. The format, as shown in the file, is X:username, where X is a number and indicates a screen -- And what will you do when you grow up to be as big as me? asked the father of his little son. Diet. Guess Who! http://tinyurl.com/mc4xe7 signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: kernel module
2010/1/9 Luca lucar...@gmail.com: Hi all, I created a kernel module which can be passed some command line arguments (I tried that with insmod and it works). Now I would like, when I start the kernel with grub, to have this module loaded at boot time so I can pass, at boot time, a kernel boot option to it. I think this usually happens in a modules configuration file. Something like this? https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/KernelCommonProblems#How_to_set_module_options_for_boot_drivers; -c -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Flash Problem
2010/1/9 Tony Nelson tonynel...@georgeanelson.com: According to that reference, Dirac is a typical lossy encoding method. The loss is introduced by the Quantization step, while the compression comes from entropy-coding the quantized (decimated) data with Arithmetic Coding. Yes, that's with lossy compression on top of wavelets, as opposed to discrete cosine transformations, according to Wikipedia. However the website (and BBC site) say that it can employ lossless compression: Dirac has the capability of compressing high resolution files for production, compression for broadcast content, and compression for web 2.0 applications. Compression can be either lossless or visually lossless. http://www.bbc.co.uk/rd/projects/dirac/uses.shtml; When I played with it a while back, I'm pretty sure there was an option for lossless. -c -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: mailing list losing mail?
On Fri, 2010-01-08 at 11:36 -0800, Mike Wright wrote: Mine is a qmail server that's been in service for years. Neither it nor its dns has been changed (that I remember) and all other mail seems to show up almost immediately. I've been on this list for a really long time and never had problems before. Wonder what it could be? Being that the email server(s) are moving to Fedora infastructure from Red Hat server, maybe that might make a difference. Id wait until after this weekend when the move is completed, then evaluate how it's going. -- Mike Chambers Madisonville, KY Best lil town on Earth! -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: is suspend broken?
On 01/08/2010 03:10 PM, Peter Langfelder wrote: Not sure if this will help, but you can try. I have a Lenovo T60 with some ATI graphics card and the standard radeon driver. Suspend only works if the system is booted with a nomodeset option. I don't quite recall what went wrong when trying suspend on a modesetting kernel, but it never worked. Bingo! Obvious work-around found! That was it! When I add nomodeset to the grub kernel line, it suspends resumes just fine. Thanks! That saves me from mucking with the suspend configuration (which now doesn't need mucking with)! BTW, as far as I remember, when suspended, the machine only wakes up when the laptop lid is opened - pressing keys does not wake it up. Nope, a key-press worked fine for me. HTH, It did indeed. Thanks! Peter Is this still broken in F12? If so, it should be in the release notes since its obviously also broken in F11 -- Kevin J. Cummings kjch...@rcn.com cummi...@kjchome.homeip.net cummi...@kjc386.framingham.ma.us Registered Linux User #1232 (http://counter.li.org) -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Flash Problem
On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 5:25 PM, Chris Smart m...@christophersmart.com wrote: However the website (and BBC site) say that it can employ lossless compression: Dirac has the capability of compressing high resolution files for production, compression for broadcast content, and compression for web 2.0 applications. Compression can be either lossless or visually lossless. http://www.bbc.co.uk/rd/projects/dirac/uses.shtml; Excuse me for being so down to earth, but I don't believe that, to deliver content on the Web, a lossless codec is essential. If I'm right Ogg Theora could have been proposed to state TVs years ago. Instead Flash pretty much took over Windows Media. We're not much better off. P.s.: I'm still wondering what happened to my Flash player recently. Am I the only one who experienced this problem? -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Setting up Tigervnc [FAILED] ?!?
On Sat, 2010-01-09 at 06:00 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote: William Case wrote: Hi; I think I have yummed every thing I need. What is the following warning telling me? ]# service vncserver start Starting VNC server: no displays configured [FAILED] And how do I fix it? I have checked the /etc/sysconfig/vncservers file. I don't see anything about a display. I assume something is looking for an X display:0 It would be useful for you to tell people what you have in your vncservers file. Sorry Ed. I have tried and removed so many different combinations that I am now double thinking a simple instruction. My latest attempt: /etc/sysconfig/vncservers VNCSERVERS=1:bill VNCSERVERARGS[1]=-geometry 800x600 -nolisten tcp -localhost ]# service vncserver restart Shutting down VNC server: [ OK ] Starting VNC server: 1:bill[FAILED] ( I have tried 0 and 2, 0 gives me ]# service vncserver start Starting VNC server: 0:root A VNC server is already running as :0 [FAILED] ]# vncviewer (I get a screen asking for VNC server but no answer satisfies. Tried name/address (192.168.1.7) of other machine and get -- main:unable connect to socket: No route to host (113)) -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines -- Regards Bill Fedora 12, Gnome 2.28 Evo.2.28, Emacs 23.1.1 -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: How do I get SB X-FI sound card working on Fedora 12
John Nissley wrote: Back to the subject, is pulseaudio alive? $ ps -AH | grep pulse ---ps -AH | grep pulse ---1691 ?00:00:09 pulseaudio Another point that I probably should have made earlier is that I did compile alsa-driver-1.0.22.1.0.g2d697.0.g88788 since I thought I would need it. Uggghhh snd-ctxfi is already a part of the built in alsa package (1.0.21) shipped with Fedora 12. I assume that you also did a make install when compiling the alsa-driver tarball, right? (Giving you a hybrid fedora + source installing) I heard the Uggghhh and since this is really a test server I just reinstalled fedora 12 so I have a clean install now. Here is my current RPM list for alsa alsa-tools-firmware-1.0.20-4.fc12.x86_64 alsa-utils-1.0.22-1.fc12.x86_64 alsa-plugins-pulseaudio-1.0.21-2.fc12.x86_64 alsa-firmware-1.0.20-2.fc12.noarch alsa-lib-1.0.22-1.fc12.x86_64 alsa-tools-1.0.20-4.fc12.x86_64 Under then Multimedia section of system setting it now shows SB X-Fi Xtreme Audio which is different than before. I do not have a pulse audio entry though which is troubling and I do not have sound. Any other ideas? See the previous thread[1] that I posted to regarding this. I have the same card, and although recognised now in F12, I also cannot get any sound from it. PulseAudio says it's working and is definitely un-muted. [1] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-list/2009-December/msg00767.html -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: is suspend broken?
I'm running Fedora 11 on an x86_64 Core 2 Quad Xeon and a Supermicro X7DWA-N motherboard. I previously ran Fedora 10. Suspend mostly works for me, but when I wake back up, I can't make the network work. I should mention that with the amount of RAM installed in my machine - 16 GB - suspend isn't really all that useful because of the amount of time it takes to write the contents of memory to disk when suspending, and to read it back in when waking up. It takes just about as long as it would to just do a shutdown and reboot. The one situation I'd want to use shutdown instead is if I had a bunch of windows open that I don't want to lose, and I need to leave the machine for such a long time that I don't want to use all the electricity. Don Quixote -- Don Quixote de la Mancha quix...@dulcineatech.com http://www.dulcineatech.com Dulcinea Technologies Corporation: Software of Elegance and Beauty. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
[OT] help with mplayer option to replicate aplay -D option
Hello,
I have a system based on Asus M4A785TD-V EVO mainboard that comes with
VIA VT1708S chip.
On this system I have both F11 x86_64 and F12 x86_64.
I'm trying to have dts streams working through optical plug that the mb has.
Some progress from F11 to F12, probably due to the alsa version into the kernel
(2.6.31.9-174.fc12 vs 2.6.30.10-105.fc11).
I formerly found another thread opened in 2009 in alsa-user or
alsa-devel where this command was referred as working through optical:
aplay -D iec958:CARD=SB dts_file.wav
- In my F11 this command gives no signal through the receiver
- But now in my F12 this commands succeeds!
My receiver has:
3 leds controlled by a button named mode: digital, pro logic, st
3 leds controlled by a button named input: line, optical, coaxial
When I set input button to optical and play the sample dts file with
the command above in F12, the mode led automatically switches to
digital, and a led named lock blinks and I get sound through
optical... hurra!
Also, the other leds referring the 5 channels switch on and I hear the
sound through all of the 5 speakers
This works even if pulseaudio is running, so that it is not the
problem (I suspected this when testing in F11)
Now the help required at this point: mplayer
I'm using the one provided by rpmfusion free repo
mplayer-1.0-0.111.20091029svn.fc12.x86_64
mplayer -ao alsa:spdif with a dts sample file gives no sound in F11
while it almost works in F12.
I use almost because when I play the same file as before, the mode led
doesn't go to digital, but to st.
I can then press the mode button having it switch to pro logic and
again to st, but not to digital
And the sound is not the same as with the aplay command.
Is there an option to give to mplayer to have it use the device that
in aplay is iec958:CARD=SB?
It seems I didn't find the right combination.
Or if it is possible to create an entry to add in asound.conf like
pcm.viaspdif {
something
}
and use then mplayer with a commad such as
mplayer -ao alsa:viaspdif
Thanks in advance to anyone available to give any light
Gianluca
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Fedora 12: no sound update
As root when I execute: # aplay -L default Default front:CARD=Intel,DEV=0 HDA Intel, AD198x Analog Front speakers surround40:CARD=Intel,DEV=0 HDA Intel, AD198x Analog 4.0 Surround output to Front and Rear speakers surround41:CARD=Intel,DEV=0 HDA Intel, AD198x Analog 4.1 Surround output to Front, Rear and Subwoofer speakers surround50:CARD=Intel,DEV=0 HDA Intel, AD198x Analog 5.0 Surround output to Front, Center and Rear speakers surround51:CARD=Intel,DEV=0 HDA Intel, AD198x Analog 5.1 Surround output to Front, Center, Rear and Subwoofer speakers surround71:CARD=Intel,DEV=0 HDA Intel, AD198x Analog 7.1 Surround output to Front, Center, Side, Rear and Woofer speakers iec958:CARD=Intel,DEV=0 HDA Intel, AD198x Digital IEC958 (S/PDIF) Digital Audio Output but as a user, I get only; aplay -L default Default So I chmod-ed some files: # cd /dev/snd # chmod 666 hwC0D0 pcmC0D0c pcmC0D0p pcmC0D1c pcmC0D1p seq timer # chmod 666 /dev/mixer* /dev/midi* /dev/dsp* /dev/sequencer* and now as a user I get the same device listing. Now, when I execute: aplay -vv /path/to/file.wav I get no sound, but if I execute: aplay -vv -D front:CARD=Intel,DEV=0 /path/to/file.wav I get sound. So, how do I make one of the Card devices the default sound device? Richard -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: is suspend broken?
HTH, It did indeed. Thanks! Peter Is this still broken in F12? If so, it should be in the release notes since its obviously also broken in F11 Glad I could be of help. BTW, this was also broken in Fedora 10. Peter -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Flash Problem
On Fri, 8 Jan 2010 17:55:43 -0500 Marcel Rieux m.z.ri...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 5:25 PM, Chris Smart m...@christophersmart.com wrote: However the website (and BBC site) say that it can employ lossless compression: Dirac has the capability of compressing high resolution files for production, compression for broadcast content, and compression for web 2.0 applications. Compression can be either lossless or visually lossless. http://www.bbc.co.uk/rd/projects/dirac/uses.shtml; Excuse me for being so down to earth, but I don't believe that, to deliver content on the Web, a lossless codec is essential. If I'm right Ogg Theora could have been proposed to state TVs years ago. Theora is not lossless. The BBC code is intended for lots of things - such as *production* where you don't want loss. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: is suspend broken?
On 01/08/2010 06:34 PM, Don Quixote de la Mancha wrote: I'm running Fedora 11 on an x86_64 Core 2 Quad Xeon and a Supermicro X7DWA-N motherboard. I previously ran Fedora 10. Suspend mostly works for me, but when I wake back up, I can't make the network work. I should mention that with the amount of RAM installed in my machine - 16 GB - suspend isn't really all that useful because of the amount of time it takes to write the contents of memory to disk when suspending, and to read it back in when waking up. It takes just about as long as it would to just do a shutdown and reboot. That would be hibernate or suspend to disk. I was talking about suspend to RAM. The whole point of suspend to RAM is that not much needs to be written to disk during suspend, and not much needs to be done upon resume to continue. Its supposed to be fast already, certainly faster than shutting down and rebooting. The one situation I'd want to use shutdown instead is if I had a bunch of windows open that I don't want to lose, and I need to leave the machine for such a long time that I don't want to use all the electricity. There is a newer suspend to both which is designed to suspend to RAM but also sets up suspend to disk just in case the machine is off long enough to exhaust the battery and loses the RAM, in which case it can be recovered from disk. Don Quixote -- Kevin J. Cummings kjch...@rcn.com cummi...@kjchome.homeip.net cummi...@kjc386.framingham.ma.us Registered Linux User #1232 (http://counter.li.org) -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
