Re: Writing CD is driving me crazy.using xcdroast

2008-05-23 Thread Antonio Olivares
- Original Message From: Anne Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: For users of Fedora fedora-list@redhat.com Sent: Friday, May 23, 2008 4:04:23 PM Subject: Re: Writing CD is driving me crazy.using xcdroast On Friday 23 May 2008 21:52:47 Michael Schwendt wrote: Strange. A blank CD

Re: Best guide for Fedora 9 ever !

2008-05-23 Thread Antonio Olivares
--- Bill Davidsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Michael Schwendt wrote: On Tue, 20 May 2008 17:33:24 +0200, Valent Turkovic wrote: Hi, this guide is the best guide for Fedora 9! http://fedoraguide.info/index.php/Main_Page http://digg.com/linux_unix/Best_guide_for_Fedora_9_ever

Re: Mysteries of sound in Fedora-9

2008-05-24 Thread Antonio Olivares
--- Timothy Murphy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm finding it very difficult to understand the Sound setup in Fedora-9 with KDE. Previously, sound did not work at all when I re-booted. But after some unrecorded sequence of clicks on f=Applications=Multimedia=Sound Mixer it suddenly

how to find WEP/WPA key to network if possible

2008-05-28 Thread Antonio Olivares
Dear all, How does one get a KEY to a secured network that could be WEP/WPA? Why we had a unsecured wireless network at school and I could connect with a laptop.  Everything got configured automatically, now, the computer does not connect automatically.  It is asking for a KEY and I do not know

Re: how to find WEP/WPA key to network if possible

2008-05-30 Thread Antonio Olivares
--- On Fri, 5/30/08, Timothy Murphy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Timothy Murphy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: how to find WEP/WPA key to network if possible To: fedora-list@redhat.com Date: Friday, May 30, 2008, 5:31 AM Antonio Olivares wrote: How does one get a KEY to a secured

Re: New Kernel

2008-06-06 Thread Antonio Olivares
--- On Fri, 6/6/08, Ed Warner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Ed Warner [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: New Kernel To: fedora-list@redhat.com Date: Friday, June 6, 2008, 3:59 PM Is there a way to run a new kernel other than restart the machine? Just curious. Thanks,-- fedora-list mailing

Re: Firefox 3 beta on Fedora 9 uses lots of IO after start

2008-06-10 Thread Antonio Olivares
--- On Mon, 6/9/08, Tim [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Tim [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Firefox 3 beta on Fedora 9 uses lots of IO after start To: For users of Fedora fedora-list@redhat.com Date: Monday, June 9, 2008, 11:11 PM On Mon, 2008-06-09 at 10:40 -0700, David L wrote: I wonder

how to reset firefox and prevent it from starting with check in work offline

2008-06-10 Thread Antonio Olivares
Dear all, Everytime I start Firefox, it starts with the check in Work Offline, I have to uncheck it to be able to surf. Is there an option to start firefox in surfing mode right away instead of offline mode. I am looking in the options and preferences and I cannot find any that will fix this

Re: how to reset firefox and prevent it from starting with check in work offline

2008-06-10 Thread Antonio Olivares
--- On Mon, 6/9/08, Antonio Olivares [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Antonio Olivares [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: how to reset firefox and prevent it from starting with check in work offline To: fedora-list@redhat.com Date: Monday, June 9, 2008, 11:51 PM Dear all, Everytime I start

Re: Changes in kernel mess up Cisco VPN build

2008-06-10 Thread Antonio Olivares
--- On Tue, 6/10/08, Richard England [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Richard England [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Changes in kernel mess up Cisco VPN build To: For users of Fedora fedora-list@redhat.com Date: Tuesday, June 10, 2008, 9:50 PM Is there anyone here that builds kernel modules

Re: Changes in kernel mess up Cisco VPN build

2008-06-10 Thread Antonio Olivares
--- On Tue, 6/10/08, Antonio Olivares [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Antonio Olivares [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Changes in kernel mess up Cisco VPN build To: For users of Fedora fedora-list@redhat.com Date: Tuesday, June 10, 2008, 10:16 PM --- On Tue, 6/10/08, Richard England [EMAIL

Re: javac on Fedora 9, how do I get it?

2008-06-12 Thread Antonio Olivares
--- On Thu, 6/12/08, Antonio Olivares [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Antonio Olivares [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: javac on Fedora 9, how do I get it? To: fedora-list@redhat.com Date: Thursday, June 12, 2008, 9:46 PM Dear all, I cannot find how to get javac on Fedora 9, [EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: javac on Fedora 9, how do I get it?

2008-06-13 Thread Antonio Olivares
, Antonio Olivares wrote: I cannot find how to get javac on Fedora 9, yum install java-1.6.0-openjdk-devel or yum install /usr/bin/javac HTH, Andrew In Fedora 8, it got installed by default, now it did not. Still I got it since yesterday as your post recommends :) [EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: How to write to files on OS (F8) that won't boot

2008-06-13 Thread Antonio Olivares
--- On Fri, 6/13/08, Nigel Henry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Nigel Henry [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: How to write to files on OS (F8) that won't boot To: fedora-list@redhat.com Date: Friday, June 13, 2008, 1:54 PM I've tried every incantion I can think of to write to F8's filesystem

Re: f9 selinux complaint opening dvd reader .hal-mtab-lock

2008-06-13 Thread Antonio Olivares
--- On Fri, 6/13/08, Skunk Worx [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Skunk Worx [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: f9 selinux complaint opening dvd reader .hal-mtab-lock To: For users of Fedora Core releases fedora-list@redhat.com Date: Friday, June 13, 2008, 9:33 PM When I open my DVD reader by pushing

Where is /usr/include/gnu/stubs.h?

2008-06-13 Thread Antonio Olivares
Dear all, In trying to create a SLMODEMD.gcc4.3, that will serve many users who use slmodemd + alsa component, I encounter the error in subject ( Is there any place that this file exists? Has this file been depracated? [EMAIL PROTECTED] slmodem-2.9.11-20080417]$ cd modem/ [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Where is /usr/include/gnu/stubs.h?

2008-06-13 Thread Antonio Olivares
, Antonio Olivares wrote: Dear all, In trying to create a SLMODEMD.gcc4.3, that will serve many users who use slmodemd + alsa component, I encounter the error in subject ( Is there any place that this file exists? Has this file been depracated? [EMAIL PROTECTED] slmodem-2.9.11

Re: Where is /usr/include/gnu/stubs.h?

2008-06-14 Thread Antonio Olivares
-0700, Antonio Olivares wrote: In trying to create a SLMODEMD.gcc4.3, that will serve many users who use slmodemd + alsa component, I encounter the error in subject ( If you want to compile 32-bit programs on x86_64, you need to install glibc-devel.i386 (and other 32-bit libraries you want

Re: [OT] Are security updates necessary?

2008-06-14 Thread Antonio Olivares
--- On Sat, 6/14/08, Mike Bird [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Mike Bird [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [OT] Are security updates necessary? To: fedora-list@redhat.com Date: Saturday, June 14, 2008, 11:18 AM On Sat June 14 2008 10:29:48 Arthur Pemberton wrote: On Sat, Jun 14, 2008 at 12:25 PM,

Re: Any hope of KDE 3.5 in F10?

2008-06-14 Thread Antonio Olivares
--- On Sat, 6/14/08, Rex Dieter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Rex Dieter [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Any hope of KDE 3.5 in F10? To: fedora-list@redhat.com Date: Saturday, June 14, 2008, 12:25 PM Mike Bird wrote: QUESTION TO DEVELOPERS: Is there any hope of a full KDE 3.5 in F10,

Re: Any hope of KDE 3.5 in F10?

2008-06-14 Thread Antonio Olivares
--- On Sat, 6/14/08, Antonio Olivares [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Antonio Olivares [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Any hope of KDE 3.5 in F10? To: For users of Fedora fedora-list@redhat.com Date: Saturday, June 14, 2008, 2:01 PM --- On Sat, 6/14/08, Rex Dieter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote

Re: Any hope of KDE 3.5 in F10? I want it too !

2008-06-14 Thread Antonio Olivares
--- On Sat, 6/14/08, linuxguy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: linuxguy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Any hope of KDE 3.5 in F10? I want it too ! To: For users of Fedora fedora-list@redhat.com Date: Saturday, June 14, 2008, 2:03 PM On Sat, 2008-06-14 at 09:38 -0700, Mike Bird wrote:

Re: DVD Based backup without scripts ?

2008-06-14 Thread Antonio Olivares
--- On Sat, 6/14/08, linuxguy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: linuxguy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: DVD Based backup without scripts ? To: For users of Fedora fedora-list@redhat.com Date: Saturday, June 14, 2008, 2:07 PM I'd like to backup a bunch of data onto DVDs. About 16 GB worth, more

Re: DVD Based backup without scripts ?

2008-06-14 Thread Antonio Olivares
--- On Sat, 6/14/08, Patrick O'Callaghan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Patrick O'Callaghan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: DVD Based backup without scripts ? To: fedora-list@redhat.com Date: Saturday, June 14, 2008, 2:42 PM On Sat, 2008-06-14 at 14:24 -0700, Antonio Olivares wrote

Re: Any hope of KDE 3.5 in F10? I want it too !

2008-06-14 Thread Antonio Olivares
--- On Sat, 6/14/08, Tom Horsley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Tom Horsley [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Any hope of KDE 3.5 in F10? I want it too ! To: fedora-list@redhat.com Date: Saturday, June 14, 2008, 3:56 PM On Sat, 14 Jun 2008 14:58:10 -0700 Mike Bird [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Re: Any hope of KDE 3.5 in F10? I want it too !

2008-06-14 Thread Antonio Olivares
--- On Sat, 6/14/08, Mike Bird [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There is reason to hope that in a couple of years KDE 4.x will be better than KDE 3.5, but for now KDE 4.x is unproductive for most users. Distros that don't provide KDE 3.5 for their KDE users while KDE 4.x is being developed will

Re: Any hope of KDE 3.5 in F10? I want it too !

2008-06-14 Thread Antonio Olivares
--- On Sat, 6/14/08, Patrick O'Callaghan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Patrick O'Callaghan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Any hope of KDE 3.5 in F10? I want it too ! To: fedora-list@redhat.com Date: Saturday, June 14, 2008, 6:06 PM On Sat, 2008-06-14 at 17:58 -0700, Mike Bird wrote: It's

Re: Any hope of KDE 3.5 in F10? I want it too !

2008-06-14 Thread Antonio Olivares
--- On Sat, 6/14/08, Antonio Olivares [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Antonio Olivares [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Any hope of KDE 3.5 in F10? I want it too ! To: For users of Fedora fedora-list@redhat.com Date: Saturday, June 14, 2008, 7:39 PM --- On Sat, 6/14/08, Patrick O'Callaghan

Re: Firefox for ever

2008-06-15 Thread Antonio Olivares
--- On Sun, 6/15/08, Tom Horsley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Tom Horsley [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Firefox for ever To: fedora-list@redhat.com Date: Sunday, June 15, 2008, 11:00 AM On Sun, 15 Jun 2008 10:47:46 -0700 Richard England [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does anyone have

Re: texlive problems

2008-06-16 Thread Antonio Olivares
--- On Mon, 6/16/08, Norman Gaywood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Norman Gaywood [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: texlive problems To: For users of Fedora fedora-list@redhat.com Date: Monday, June 16, 2008, 3:35 PM I love the fact that F9 is now using texlive instead of tetex. However, I

Re: Fedora 9 x86_64 system compiling for i386

2008-06-17 Thread Antonio Olivares
--- On Tue, 6/17/08, John Burton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: John Burton [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Fedora 9 x86_64 system compiling for i386 To: fedora-list@redhat.com Date: Tuesday, June 17, 2008, 8:11 AM I have a MacBook Pro with Core 2 Duo processors (64bit). I originally had a

Re: Auto login?

2008-06-18 Thread Antonio Olivares
--- On Tue, 6/17/08, Knute Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Knute Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Auto login? To: For users of Fedora fedora-list@redhat.com Date: Tuesday, June 17, 2008, 10:38 PM On F8 I had my desktop configured for auto-login. Does F9 have that option and

Re: Fedora ain't playin' around w/Firefox 3.

2008-06-18 Thread Antonio Olivares
--- On Wed, 6/18/08, Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Fedora ain't playin' around w/Firefox 3. To: fedora-list@redhat.com Date: Wednesday, June 18, 2008, 3:18 AM This is new http://fedoraproject.org/static/firefox/ I wonder what brought this

Re: Fedora ain't playin' around w/Firefox 3.

2008-06-18 Thread Antonio Olivares
18, 2008 (UK time), Antonio Olivares scrawled: Aren't we all part of the U.S Government? We pay taxes. Our No we aren't. Of course, you would belong to the British Govt., others to the French Govt., There is no World Govt. :( You still now that Fedora is governed bu US. Government

Re: Fedora ain't playin' around w/Firefox 3.

2008-06-18 Thread Antonio Olivares
--- On Wed, 6/18/08, Patrick O'Callaghan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Patrick O'Callaghan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Fedora ain't playin' around w/Firefox 3. To: fedora-list@redhat.com Date: Wednesday, June 18, 2008, 2:11 PM On Wed, 2008-06-18 at 13:48 -0700, Antonio Olivares wrote

Re: Fedora ain't playin' around w/Firefox 3.

2008-06-19 Thread Antonio Olivares
--- On Thu, 6/19/08, Tim [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Tim [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Fedora ain't playin' around w/Firefox 3. To: For users of Fedora fedora-list@redhat.com Date: Thursday, June 19, 2008, 12:00 AM Tim: Like we believe that... (about a company who's stated aim was to

Re: Fedora ain't playin' around w/Firefox 3.

2008-06-19 Thread Antonio Olivares
--- On Thu, 6/19/08, Tim [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Tim [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Fedora ain't playin' around w/Firefox 3. To: For users of Fedora fedora-list@redhat.com Date: Thursday, June 19, 2008, 12:04 AM This thread is branching out into politics, which is nearly always a

Re: Firefox for ever

2008-06-19 Thread Antonio Olivares
--- On Thu, 6/19/08, Kevin Kofler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Kevin Kofler [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Firefox for ever To: fedora-list@redhat.com Date: Thursday, June 19, 2008, 12:37 AM Timothy Murphy gayleard at eircom.net writes: Sorry to be mean, but why don't Fedora [KDE SIG]

Re: Somewhat OT, R/W access to UFS from recovery CD

2008-06-20 Thread Antonio Olivares
--- On Fri, 6/20/08, Alan Cox [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Alan Cox [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Somewhat OT, R/W access to UFS from recovery CD To: For users of Fedora fedora-list@redhat.com Date: Friday, June 20, 2008, 5:27 AM Does anyone know of a Linux boot from CD which has the

Re: Any hope of KDE 3.5 in F10? I want it too !

2008-06-20 Thread Antonio Olivares
--- On Fri, 6/20/08, Mike Bird [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Mike Bird [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Any hope of KDE 3.5 in F10? I want it too ! To: fedora-list@redhat.com Date: Friday, June 20, 2008, 4:49 PM On Fri June 20 2008 16:33:27 David Boles wrote: This thread has become a

Re: Can't get flash-plugin working in FF3 ??

2008-06-21 Thread Antonio Olivares
--- On Sat, 6/21/08, William Case [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: William Case [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Can't get flash-plugin working in FF3 ?? To: Fedora List fedora-list@redhat.com Date: Saturday, June 21, 2008, 8:43 AM Hi; The subject of media has been something I have avoided, so I

Re: let root be root?

2008-06-23 Thread Antonio Olivares
--- On Mon, 6/23/08, Tom Horsley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Tom Horsley [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: let root be root? To: Fedora fedora-list@redhat.com Date: Monday, June 23, 2008, 12:24 PM On a new fedora 9 install the other day, I was running as root and clicked on the livna repo rpm

OT: Funny side of Linux

2008-06-24 Thread Antonio Olivares
Dear all, I have found the following pages that might crack some laughs. They are meant to take some time off and enjoy the funny side of Linux. http://www.linuxhaxor.net/2008/05/04/funny-side-of-linux/ from the above page found the second.

Re: Hardware browser??

2008-06-29 Thread Antonio Olivares
--- On Sun, 6/29/08, Beartooth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Beartooth [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Hardware browser?? To: fedora-list@redhat.com Date: Sunday, June 29, 2008, 11:44 AM Fedora always used to have a hardware browser; for a while it had two, one with endless cryptic detail,

Re: Fedora 9 Openchrome drv HP w2207h Monitor was: Re: help with setting up graphics

2008-07-02 Thread Antonio Olivares
--- On Wed, 7/2/08, Beartooth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Beartooth [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Fedora 9 Openchrome drv HP w2207h Monitor was: Re: help with setting up graphics To: fedora-list@redhat.com Date: Wednesday, July 2, 2008, 11:53 AM On Wed, 02 Jul 2008 11:50:02 +0100,

Re: Wide, flat, weird : HP w2207h with F8 F9

2008-07-02 Thread Antonio Olivares
--- On Wed, 7/2/08, Beartooth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Beartooth [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Wide, flat, weird : HP w2207h with F8 F9 To: fedora-list@redhat.com Date: Wednesday, July 2, 2008, 12:25 PM On Tue, 01 Jul 2008 23:33:55 +0200, Björn Persson wrote: [...] The DMI

Re: Fedora 9 Openchrome drv HP w2207h Monitor was: Re: help with setting up graphics

2008-07-03 Thread Antonio Olivares
, Antonio Olivares wrote: [...] I missed your previous posts, maybe clicking real fast, but I have an integrated video in the motherboard and I use OpenChrome driver. [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]$ su - Password: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]# lspci 00:00.0 Host bridge: VIA Technologies, Inc. K8M890CE

Re: Can't get CNN video sound ??

2008-07-03 Thread Antonio Olivares
--- On Thu, 7/3/08, Anne Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Anne Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Can't get CNN video sound ?? To: For users of Fedora fedora-list@redhat.com Date: Thursday, July 3, 2008, 12:19 PM On Thursday 03 July 2008 20:08:25 William Case wrote: I am somewhat

Re: Can't get CNN video sound ?? -[SOLVED]

2008-07-03 Thread Antonio Olivares
--- On Thu, 7/3/08, Craig White [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Craig White [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Can't get CNN video sound ?? -[SOLVED] To: For users of Fedora fedora-list@redhat.com Date: Thursday, July 3, 2008, 4:39 PM On Thu, 2008-07-03 at 19:34 -0400, William Case wrote: Hi

Re: Does one have to be a sound engineer?

2008-07-04 Thread Antonio Olivares
--- On Fri, 7/4/08, Timothy Murphy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Timothy Murphy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Does one have to be a sound engineer? To: fedora-list@redhat.com Date: Friday, July 4, 2008, 10:54 AM max bianco wrote: Surely the rational setup would be to have sound

Re: Cant use Crystal Eye webcam on my Acer Laptop with Fedora 9

2008-07-05 Thread Antonio Olivares
--- On Sat, 7/5/08, Rohan Kulkarni [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Rohan Kulkarni [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Cant use Crystal Eye webcam on my Acer Laptop with Fedora 9 To: For users of Fedora fedora-list@redhat.com Date: Saturday, July 5, 2008, 5:40 AM using this link :

Re: How to install from tar.gz2

2008-07-05 Thread Antonio Olivares
--- On Sat, 7/5/08, Luis Orlindo Tedeschi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Luis Orlindo Tedeschi [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: How to install from tar.gz2 To: For users of Fedora fedora-list@redhat.com Date: Saturday, July 5, 2008, 8:01 AM Folks; I am new to Linux/Fedora and I have a question

Re: F9 crontab rkhunter Can you check my syntax please?

2008-07-07 Thread Antonio Olivares
--- On Mon, 7/7/08, Frank Murphy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Frank Murphy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: F9 crontab rkhunter Can you check my syntax please? To: Fedora List fedora-list@redhat.com Date: Monday, July 7, 2008, 5:22 AM su root crontab -u root 12 0 * * * /usr/bin/rkhunter

Re: cdrecord permission problems

2008-07-07 Thread Antonio Olivares
--- On Mon, 7/7/08, Alan Cox [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Alan Cox [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: cdrecord permission problems To: fedora-list@redhat.com Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Monday, July 7, 2008, 8:52 AM Note that cdrecord doesn't come with Fedora, there is a link by that

OT: It's not the Gates, it's the bars

2008-07-07 Thread Antonio Olivares
Dear all, It's not the Gates, its the bars :( http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/7487060.stm Regards, Antonio -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list

Re: cdrecord permission problems

2008-07-07 Thread Antonio Olivares
(PDT) Antonio Olivares [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- On Mon, 7/7/08, Alan Cox [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Alan Cox [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: cdrecord permission problems To: fedora-list@redhat.com Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Monday, July 7, 2008, 8:52 AM Note

Closed source modules will be banned from kernel?

2008-07-07 Thread Antonio Olivares
Dear all, Closed source kernel drivers would not be allowed to run under new kernels? Does this mean that a new nvidia driver would not work anymore :( For which kernels would this affect us? Companies that have died out or been bought out that released drivers, those drivers would not work

Re: Closed source modules will be banned from kernel?

2008-07-07 Thread Antonio Olivares
--- On Mon, 7/7/08, Rahul Sundaram [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Rahul Sundaram [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Closed source modules will be banned from kernel? To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], For users of Fedora fedora-list@redhat.com Date: Monday, July 7, 2008, 5:47 PM Antonio Olivares wrote

Re: Closed source modules will be banned from kernel?

2008-07-07 Thread Antonio Olivares
--- On Mon, 7/7/08, Alan Cox [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Alan Cox [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Closed source modules will be banned from kernel? To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: fedora-list@redhat.com Date: Monday, July 7, 2008, 11:51 AM Closed source kernel drivers would not be allowed to

Re: Closed source modules will be banned from kernel?

2008-07-07 Thread Antonio Olivares
:11 PM Antonio Olivares wrote: Thank you Alan for sharing your expertise on this issue. I also wonder if the kernel ever gets released under GPL v3. If it does, then surely the binary stuff would be banned for good. GPLv2 vs GPLv3 doesn't make much of a difference. If it did not make much

Re: sendmail

2008-07-08 Thread Antonio Olivares
--- On Tue, 7/8/08, Tim [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Tim [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: sendmail To: For users of Fedora fedora-list@redhat.com Date: Tuesday, July 8, 2008, 9:28 PM On Tue, 2008-07-08 at 22:50 -0400, William Case wrote: I'd agree with that. Likewise for other services,

Re: sendmail

2008-07-09 Thread Antonio Olivares
--- On Tue, 7/8/08, Tim [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Tim [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: sendmail To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], For users of Fedora fedora-list@redhat.com Date: Tuesday, July 8, 2008, 11:47 PM On Tue, 2008-07-08 at 22:30 -0700, Antonio Olivares wrote: I have had some

Re: sendmail

2008-07-09 Thread Antonio Olivares
--- On Tue, 7/8/08, Tim [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Tim [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: sendmail To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], For users of Fedora fedora-list@redhat.com Date: Tuesday, July 8, 2008, 11:47 PM On Tue, 2008-07-08 at 22:30 -0700, Antonio Olivares wrote: I have had some problems

Re: sendmail

2008-07-09 Thread Antonio Olivares
--- On Wed, 7/9/08, Todd Zullinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Todd Zullinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: sendmail To: fedora-list@redhat.com Date: Wednesday, July 9, 2008, 2:06 PM Antonio Olivares wrote: --- On Tue, 7/8/08, Tim [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Documents

Re: sendmail

2008-07-09 Thread Antonio Olivares
--- On Wed, 7/9/08, Tim [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Tim [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: sendmail To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], For users of Fedora fedora-list@redhat.com Date: Wednesday, July 9, 2008, 7:34 PM On Wed, 2008-07-09 at 15:42 -0700, Antonio Olivares wrote: I start a connection

Re: Why is Fedora not a Free GNU/Linux distributions?

2008-07-13 Thread Antonio Olivares
--- On Sun, 7/13/08, Joe Klemmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Joe Klemmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Why is Fedora not a Free GNU/Linux distributions? To: For users of Fedora fedora-list@redhat.com Date: Sunday, July 13, 2008, 1:24 PM On Sun, 13 Jul 2008, Robert P. J. Day wrote:

Re: Why is Fedora not a Free GNU/Linux distributions?

2008-07-15 Thread Antonio Olivares
--- On Mon, 7/14/08, Kevin Kofler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Kevin Kofler [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Why is Fedora not a Free GNU/Linux distributions? To: fedora-list@redhat.com Date: Monday, July 14, 2008, 3:47 AM Antonio Olivares olivares14031 at yahoo.com writes: A Because

Re: Why is Fedora not a Free GNU/Linux distributions?

2008-07-17 Thread Antonio Olivares
--- On Thu, 7/17/08, Les Mikesell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Les Mikesell [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Why is Fedora not a Free GNU/Linux distributions? To: For users of Fedora fedora-list@redhat.com Date: Thursday, July 17, 2008, 12:33 PM Rick Stevens wrote: The history is really

Re: Why is Fedora not a Free GNU/Linux distributions?

2008-07-18 Thread Antonio Olivares
But back to GNU vs. not-GNU. There is a GNU operating system. Nobody uses it and there are reasons for that. Instead of fixing those reasons, they want to tack their name onto the distributions that people do use because some portable applications from their set are often included.

Re: How is one supposed to use the KDE4 desktop ?

2008-07-18 Thread Antonio Olivares
4) Why does my desktop always start up as 1024x768 when I have a landscape LCD? ?? 1024x768 is landscape, isn't it? This one is easy, just edit the file /etc/X11/xorg.conf as root user and add Modes lines Original can look like: Section Screen Identifier Screen0

Re: How is one supposed to use the KDE4 desktop ?

2008-07-18 Thread Antonio Olivares
There is no /etc/X11/xorg.conf. This is in line with current practice of trying to avoid it wherever possible. That's it's not necessary is demonstrated by the fact the 1440x900 mode works perfectly once I tell KDE to use it. The problem is that KDE forgets. I did not know that KDE 4 had

Re: Why is Fedora not a Free GNU/Linux distributions?

2008-07-18 Thread Antonio Olivares
Code that is freely available doesn't need protection as nothing can happen to it other then someone else using and improving it which is a good thing regardless of what else happens to that copy subsequently. I am sure many would disagree with this, The code has to be protected in some

Re: Why is Fedora not a Free GNU/Linux distributions?

2008-07-18 Thread Antonio Olivares
Long ago it might not have been completely predictable that many end points of the longest-developed paths of unix development (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Unix_history-simple.svg) Thank you for the link, a friend of mine has one in his classroom and it has 1969 as the birth

Re: Why is Fedora not a Free GNU/Linux distributions?

2008-07-18 Thread Antonio Olivares
Open source, not GPL'd - they mean different but overlapping things. The *bsd's have always been open sourced but all of the original unix functionality from the ATT underpinnings was re-written. OpenSolaris should include as much of the originally proprietary work as they have been

Re: Why is Fedora not a Free GNU/Linux distributions?

2008-07-18 Thread Antonio Olivares
Sure, there is one, and that's exactly it. The LGPL is one example of a license that protects the code while permitting the creation of derived works with mixed components. The CPL is another. There are several more listed at opensource.org. The MySQL open-source exception to the GPL

Re: Why is Fedora not a Free GNU/Linux distributions?

2008-07-18 Thread Antonio Olivares
ZFS was included in FreeBSD 7.0 because the BSD license is more free than the GPL with that regard. ZFS has patents and nobody wants to take the risk http://kerneltrap.org/node/8066 ZFS (if and when someone ports it to Linux) might still be able to live a life like AFS does as a third

Re: Why is Fedora not a Free GNU/Linux distributions?

2008-07-18 Thread Antonio Olivares
You were told about the problems earlier on too and you choose to ignore it. CDDL was deliberately designed to be incompatible with GPL http://lwn.net/Articles/198171/ -- In looking at the article and the incompatibilities, I have found a chart on

Re: Why is Fedora not a Free GNU/Linux distributions?

2008-07-19 Thread Antonio Olivares
ZFS was included in FreeBSD 7.0 because the BSD license is more free than the GPL with that regard. And if NetApp win against Sun they can sue FreeBSD now, for triple damages which would be millions and the end of FreeBSD. That is a big IF, maybe it should be an iff (IF and ONLY IF) like

Re: that old GNU/Linux argument

2008-07-19 Thread Antonio Olivares
$ cat /etc/redhat-release Fedora release 8 (Werewolf) $ uname -o GNU/Linux John -- Tried this command in slax uname -o which according to man uname -o, --operating-system print the operating system Slax is based on Slackware Linux, here's the result(s) [EMAIL

Re: Why is Fedora not a Free GNU/Linux distributions?

2008-07-19 Thread Antonio Olivares
ZFS was included in FreeBSD 7.0 because the BSD license is more free than the GPL with that regard. And if NetApp win against Sun they can sue FreeBSD now, for triple damages which would be millions and the end of FreeBSD. That is a big IF, maybe it should be an iff

Re: Why is Fedora not a Free GNU/Linux distributions?

2008-07-19 Thread Antonio Olivares
FTR, I don't regard myself as one of the authors of GPLv3. Although I have participated in the process to some extent, and contributed a few ideas that ended up in the final version, I didn't write any of the sentences in it. -- Sorry for the misunderstanding :( Since you posted a

Re: that old GNU/Linux argument

2008-07-19 Thread Antonio Olivares
Bizarrely, it seems one has to pay for a Live Hurd CD. No, you can find them easily to download. Plug live cd debian hurd into google and you'll have results quickly. Oh, and Tim, once you download it, will you please burn a CD for me and send it to me? Given your statement, I'd be

Re: that old GNU/Linux argument

2008-07-19 Thread Antonio Olivares
Bizarrely, it seems one has to pay for a Live Hurd CD. No, you can find them easily to download. Plug live cd debian hurd into google and you'll have results quickly. Oh, and Tim, once you download it, will you please burn a CD for me and send it to me? Given your statement, I'd be

Re: Why is Fedora not a Free GNU/Linux distributions?

2008-07-19 Thread Antonio Olivares
The GPL then violates #9 in the definition 9. License Must Not Restrict Other Software It doesn't, really. It applies to a program, and to other works derived from the program. It doesn't apply to works that are merely aggregated in the same distribution medium, without forming a

Re: Why is Fedora not a Free GNU/Linux distributions?

2008-07-19 Thread Antonio Olivares
However, we now now that there are GPL police out there and enforcing the GPL on people who modify the freely available code out there, but do not share their modifications :( This is not a very accurate picture. There's no GPL enforcement whatsoever involved in the actions you

Re: Why is Fedora not a Free GNU/Linux distributions?

2008-07-19 Thread Antonio Olivares
However, we now now that there are GPL police out there and enforcing the GPL on people who modify the freely available code out there, but do not share their modifications :( It's not a GPL violation or copyright infringement to modify software under the GPL. It's not a GPL

Re: that old GNU/Linux argument

2008-07-19 Thread Antonio Olivares
Does anyone actually compile anything today? I do :) I compile mplayer from source, I compile gnome-mplayer, certain other programs as well :) This way I have no one to blame but myself, when the new versions are released I recompile again and am happy with the results :) Apart from

Re: Why is Fedora not a Free GNU/Linux distributions?

2008-07-19 Thread Antonio Olivares
--- On Sat, 7/19/08, Antonio Olivares [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Antonio Olivares [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Why is Fedora not a Free GNU/Linux distributions? To: fedora-list@redhat.com Date: Saturday, July 19, 2008, 3:37 PM I'm beginning to think the GPL was a diabolical plan

Re: Why is Fedora not a Free GNU/Linux distributions?

2008-07-19 Thread Antonio Olivares
There are always doubts about the terms and validity of licenses until courts speak on the matter. That may be fortunate or unfortunate depending on your point of view. Which courts do you mean? International courts or U.S. based courts? If you are considering the U.S. based courts, I have

Re: F9: Konqueror and gnash not working

2008-07-19 Thread Antonio Olivares
Hi all, I'm running Fedora 9 with KDE from the kde-redhat repo. I've installed gnash and gnash-klash but Konqueror refuses to show any flash content (at least on YouTube and Google video), telling me that I need to enable JavaScript (already enabled) or a newer version of Adobe's Flash

Re: that old GNU/Linux argument

2008-07-19 Thread Antonio Olivares
Does anyone actually compile anything today? Apart from developers, of course. Yes we users sure do Timothy: [EMAIL PROTECTED] /]# uptime 20:40:56 up 5 days, 21:32, 25 users, load average: 0.06, 0.07, 0.05 [EMAIL PROTECTED] /]# uname -a Linux coyote.coyote.den 2.6.26 #1 PREEMPT Sun

configure:26067: error: Gmerlin needs OpenGL and GLX

2008-07-19 Thread Antonio Olivares
Post your errors. Then and only then someone may respond if they know what you can try :) Well, we are hijacking a thread here, but here is a snippet: configure:25733: checking for library containing glAccum configure:25774: gcc -o conftestconftest.c -lSM -lICE -lX11 -lXext -lX11 5

Re: Why is Fedora not a Free GNU/Linux distributions?

2008-07-19 Thread Antonio Olivares
That makes no difference to US patent law. # fsck US Patent law fsck 1.40.8 (13-Mar-2008) That's got to be the dumbest thing I've heard you say yet. It is the height of head in the sand syndrome. It is because of patents that many users out there do not have things easier :) The

Re: Why is Fedora not a Free GNU/Linux distributions?

2008-07-19 Thread Antonio Olivares
Would the world be a better place with no GPL and all software created by those who now create code under the GPL putting it into the public domain instead? Microsoft would almost certainly have been displaced years ago by many other companies building better products

Re: Why is Fedora not a Free GNU/Linux distributions?

2008-07-19 Thread Antonio Olivares
And we're probably going to see a regime change for the better here soon. As I said, the pendulum swings back and forth. Right now it is in a bad place. I have high hopes that we'll swing the other way soon. I hope so too :) If McCain wins, will there be a change? *** sorry ahead of

Re: Why is Fedora not a Free GNU/Linux distributions?

2008-07-20 Thread Antonio Olivares
They have said that they were going to block non GPL modules Who did? http://www.linuxactionshow.com/forum/comments.php?DiscussionID=247 http://kerneltrap.org/node/1735 This is not something that can be done in a Free Software copyright license any more than the GPL already does. The

Re: that old GNU/Linux argument

2008-07-20 Thread Antonio Olivares
So far I haven't seen a pro-GNU/Linux person describe what GNU/Linux is and what it isn't. It would be interesting to see whether they include the kitchen sink in GNU/Linux. Correction: Alexandre Oliva has said that an operating system is a kernel plus a bunch of userland libraries

Re: that old GNU/Linux argument

2008-07-21 Thread Antonio Olivares
It would be nice to have a percentage of which programs/sub projects make up an entire Linux distribution and see by numbers which projects make up a higher percentage. Just checking, did you see that I posted links to pages that have these numbers for recent distros twice in this

Re: that old GNU/Linux argument

2008-07-21 Thread Antonio Olivares
You're still talking as if your opponents want to name entire distributions GNU/Linux. I'm not so sure that there really is anyone who wants to name entire distributions GNU/Linux. Are you sure that there are people who want to do this? Do you have any evidence? They do, take a look

Re: that old GNU/Linux argument

2008-07-21 Thread Antonio Olivares
I really could not care less what it is called, just that the bleedin' thing works. If you don't care, then wouldn't object to calling it GNU/Linux, right? A kind person posted the following at Distrowatch.com, you can check it out for yourselves if you want to confirm it quote 30 •

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