Re: that old GNU/Linux argument

2008-07-26 Thread Marko Vojinovic
On Saturday 26 July 2008 01:26, Alexandre Oliva wrote: On Jul 24, 2008, Marko Vojinovic [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Persons A and B are running a marathon on the Olympic games. You're quite creative at presenting analogies that sound convincing to support a point you're trying to make

Re: a long rebuttal to the Linux-is-the-engine fallacy (was: Re: that old GNU/Linux argument)

2008-07-26 Thread Marko Vojinovic
:-) I'll try to be just a little bit shorter. Though I may not succeed. ;-) On Friday 25 July 2008 20:18, Alexandre Oliva wrote: On Jul 24, 2008, Marko Vojinovic [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: the kernel does the essential work (actually, it communicates further to the hardware that does

Re: a long rebuttal to the Linux-is-the-engine fallacy

2008-07-26 Thread Marko Vojinovic
On Friday 25 July 2008 22:07, John Cornelius wrote: I fail to see the value of this line of discussion in this forum even though the points are provocative to say the least. [snip] Note that my opening thought was that I fail to see the _value_ of this discussion in this forum not that there

Re: that old GNU/Linux argument

2008-07-26 Thread Marko Vojinovic
On Friday 25 July 2008 07:56, Gordon Messmer wrote: I think that some knowledge of history would probably change your perspective, and is certainly relevant to the conversation. Probably, but it seems that the argument I am trying to communicate is based on discussing the *purpose* of Linux

Re: a long rebuttal to the Linux-is-the-engine fallacy

2008-07-27 Thread Marko Vojinovic
On Sunday 27 July 2008 03:40, Alexandre Oliva wrote: On Jul 26, 2008, Marko Vojinovic [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But the system without a kernel has *precisely zero* usability. Yet you provided and cited the counter-example yourself: the boot loader required to load the kernel

Re: a long rebuttal to the Linux-is-the-engine fallacy

2008-07-27 Thread Marko Vojinovic
On Sunday 27 July 2008 14:54, Alexandre Oliva wrote: They just want you to push on their agenda. What do you get out of it? Err... I happen to work for the goals I myself believe in. That's why I co-founded FSFLA, a completely autonomous organization. It just so happens to pursue the

Re: that old GNU/Linux argument

2008-07-28 Thread Marko Vojinovic
On Monday 28 July 2008 04:06, Gordon Messmer wrote: Antonio Olivares wrote: It's a huge mistake to create analogies between information and property. If the cow were software, you and I could both milk it. It would never run out. That's the way information works: you copy it and the

Re: a long rebuttal to the Linux-is-the-engine fallacy

2008-07-28 Thread Marko Vojinovic
On Monday 28 July 2008 01:21, Alexandre Oliva wrote: On Jul 27, 2008, Marko Vojinovic [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Memtest runs under the bios operating system. Nope. It does rely on probing and some BIOS configuration tables to find out what it's running on, but that's about it. No operating

Re: that old GNU/Linux argument

2008-07-28 Thread Marko Vojinovic
On Monday 28 July 2008 16:56, Alexandre Oliva wrote: And it's not GNU utilities. It's an operating system. If it was just the GNU utilities, you might be right. GNU is *not* an operating system. An operating system must have a kernel as its part. GNU does not, so it is not an operating

Re: a long rebuttal to the Linux-is-the-engine fallacy

2008-07-28 Thread Marko Vojinovic
On Sunday 27 July 2008 23:56, Antonio Olivares wrote: +1 :) Marko, I have to say that I totally agree with you. With respect to naming of things, I have learned that many times, the person(s) that do the work, someone else gets the credit. It is an unfortunate fact of life. Thanks for

Re: My own private GNU / Linux thread

2008-07-28 Thread Marko Vojinovic
On Monday 28 July 2008 09:31, Andrew Kelly wrote: Yes, it's mine, but I'm happy to share. Say, are you sharing it under the viral-GPL or some more-free licence? ;-) I've been in very close contact with a scandinavian physicist who has proof that the number of strange attractors these threads

Re: that old GNU/Linux argument

2008-07-29 Thread Marko Vojinovic
On Monday 28 July 2008 19:06, Antonio Olivares wrote: Hey, how about me starting a quest here? :-) When you say information above, you actually mean classical information, as opposed to quantum information, which does not possess the property of copying (this famous property is

Re: Creating an operating system with Linux but without GNU (was: Re: that old GNU/Linux argument)

2008-07-30 Thread Marko Vojinovic
On Tuesday 29 July 2008 17:28, Alexandre Oliva wrote: On Jul 28, 2008, Marko Vojinovic [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In the following paragraphs of that post, I used it to draw a silent parallel to the whole Linux vs GNU/Linux discussion. FWIW, classical/information doesn't make

Re: Intel 965GM chipset with compiz

2008-08-10 Thread Marko Vojinovic
On Saturday 09 August 2008 05:12, John Priddy wrote: Is anyone out there using this chipset on FC9 with acceptable video performance? Depending on what acceptable means. Works for me. My performance issues are especially noticeable when 'scrolling' (for lack of a better word). It is awful

Re: network vs NetworkManger services ?? [SOLVED] kinda

2008-08-17 Thread Marko Vojinovic
Ok, can I give it a try to help clear things up? Not that I am an expert on the subject, but hopefully... :-) Somebody please correct me if I get something wrong here. When we speak of network, there are several layers at work here. First, there is hardware. Cables, network cards at their

[OT] Machine won't boot

2008-08-18 Thread Marko Vojinovic
This is a rather old Celeron machine, 433 MHz with 320 MB ram. It was working properly up to a couple of days ago, when the first hd started dying out (which is understandable, given its age and the conditions it's in). But then at some point the computer stopped booting completely --- bios

Cairo-like dock for KDE?

2008-08-18 Thread Marko Vojinovic
Ok, you know, that thing from Mac OS X, that zooms the icons parabolically when you hover the pointer over them... Trying to find some equivalent eyecandy for KDE 4.0 or 4.1 or whatever. I already have Compiz-fusion pretty customized, but all that is not enough, I want even more eye-candy...

Re: [OT] Machine won't boot

2008-08-20 Thread Marko Vojinovic
On Monday 18 August 2008 13:24, Alan Cox wrote: What could fail and induce such behavior? I have never seen anything similar before. A computer usually does boot completely or does not boot at all. I've never seen it boot halfway and then lock up. Age, component failure , corrosion, static

Re: Cairo-like dock for KDE? [SOLVED]

2008-08-20 Thread Marko Vojinovic
On Monday 18 August 2008 19:42, Phil Meyer wrote: Marko Vojinovic wrote: Ok, you know, that thing from Mac OS X, that zooms the icons parabolically when you hover the pointer over them... Cairo is available in Fedora: cairo-dock cairo-dock-devel cairo-dock-plug-ins cairo-dock-plug-ins

Re: [OT] Machine won't boot

2008-08-20 Thread Marko Vojinovic
On Monday 18 August 2008 14:07, Wolfgang S. Rupprecht wrote: Marko Vojinovic [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What could fail and induce such behavior? Another thing to do is check the motherboard carefully for burnt parts or leaky capacitors. Yeah, I know of the low-quality-capacitors-in-the-old

Re: Cairo-like dock for KDE? [SOLVED]

2008-08-22 Thread Marko Vojinovic
On Thursday 21 August 2008 00:53, Marcelo Magno T. Sales wrote: How did you add K Menu to Cairo dock? Well, I didn't. I added a standalone widget for that on the desktop, for the time being. But the problem I am now facing is shutting down the panel --- there is no obvious way of doing it.

Re: [OT] Machine won't boot [SOLVED]

2008-08-22 Thread Marko Vojinovic
On Monday 18 August 2008 12:47, Marko Vojinovic wrote: This is a rather old Celeron machine, 433 MHz with 320 MB ram. It was working properly up to a couple of days ago, when the first hd started dying out (which is understandable, given its age and the conditions it's in). But then at some

Re: Cairo-like dock for KDE? [SOLVED]

2008-08-23 Thread Marko Vojinovic
On Friday 22 August 2008 14:21, Colin J Thomson wrote: On Friday 22 August 2008 14:58:29 Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: On Fri, 2008-08-22 at 09:36 +, Marko Vojinovic wrote: But the problem I am now facing is shutting down the panel --- there is no obvious way of doing it. How about

Re: [OT] Machine won't boot [SOLVED]

2008-08-23 Thread Marko Vojinovic
On Saturday 23 August 2008 07:19, Tim wrote: On Fri, 2008-08-22 at 11:14 +, Marko Vojinovic wrote: just for the record --- the problem turned out to be a rather rare situation of both hard drive *and* dvd drive failing simoultaneously Two things dying at the same time makes me

Re: Cairo-like dock for KDE? [SOLVED]

2008-08-24 Thread Marko Vojinovic
On Saturday 23 August 2008 22:15, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: On Sat, 2008-08-23 at 21:54 +, Marko Vojinovic wrote: [...] Now, I believe I have already specified, but for the record, this is KDE 4.0, not 4.1 from updates-testing. Your original post says ... some equivalent eyecandy

Re: Laptop Recommendations

2008-08-26 Thread Marko Vojinovic
On Tuesday 26 August 2008 15:26, Dave Cross wrote: I'm about to buy a new laptop. And I'd like to buy one that works well with Fedora 9. [snip] I'm looking for a light laptop with something like a 12 screen, a 2 Ghz or more processor, 2 Gb of RAM, 300 Gb hard disk, wireless and bluetooth.

Re: Fedora home server using core 9

2008-09-02 Thread Marko Vojinovic
On Monday 01 September 2008 07:12, g wrote: Frode Petersen wrote: Just curious, as I'm about to install one of them alongside F9: Is there any reason to choose one over the other? My impression is that they are pretty much equivalent choices, but that might be a superficial observation

Re: Fedora home server using core 9

2008-09-02 Thread Marko Vojinovic
On Tuesday 02 September 2008 13:36, Tim wrote: On Tue, 2008-09-02 at 12:03 +0200, Timothy Murphy wrote: I must say I was fairly unimpressed with the error I got when browsing to the suggested URL, https://www.scientificlinux.org/. I know there was some sort of explanation given for this,

Re: Fedora home server using core 9

2008-09-03 Thread Marko Vojinovic
On Wednesday 03 September 2008 10:29, Tim wrote: On Tue, 2008-09-02 at 19:05 +, Marko Vojinovic wrote: Can't afford to buy a certificate? Scientific Linux webadmins? Those who are backed up by institutions like Cern and Fermilab (which spend billions of any currency one can think

Re: Fedora home server using core 9

2008-09-03 Thread Marko Vojinovic
On Tuesday 02 September 2008 22:29, g wrote: you did your research well. i commend you. :-) It isn't like I was doing any research. I am aware of such details simply because I used to be a grid team member some time ago, so have some inside information... ;-) means that SL will in time

Re: video equipment still forcing my laptop to a lower res, argh

2008-09-09 Thread Marko Vojinovic
On Tuesday 09 September 2008 13:02, Ed Greshko wrote: Robert P. J. Day wrote: Quoting Ed Greshko [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Robert P. J. Day wrote: is there any way to de-activate that checking within X? from what you've written, i'm assuming that the X server sees what's happening, and

[OT] Monitor recommendations with a wide hsync range

2008-09-23 Thread Marko Vojinovic
This is OT, but I guess there are some among you folks who could provide some info on this, please... :-) My old monitor just died beyond repair, and now I am considering bying a new one (widescreen tft something, typically). However, I would also like to connect some video equipment to that

Re: [OT] Monitor recommendations with a wide hsync range

2008-09-25 Thread Marko Vojinovic
On Wednesday 24 September 2008 08:58, Bill Crawford wrote: On Tuesday 23 September 2008 17:09:46 Marko Vojinovic wrote: Is there any computer monitor out in the market today that can sync down to 15 KHz? Might be worth just buying a cheap LCD television (i.e. not a 42 one ;o)) ? Well

Re: [OT] Monitor recommendations with a wide hsync range

2008-09-25 Thread Marko Vojinovic
On Wednesday 24 September 2008 03:11, Gene Heskett wrote: On Tuesday 23 September 2008, Marko Vojinovic wrote: Is there any other way to make a square fit to a circle? Here RGB signal is a requirement --- s-video, composite and similar stuff are out of the picture, unfortunately. One

[OT] CentOS 3rd party repositories?

2008-10-02 Thread Marko Vojinovic
Forgive me for querrying the Fedora list for this, but I really don't want to subscribe to a Yet Another Mailing List just to have this one single basic question answered. It is quite unlikely that I will be having any more questions about CentOS in the future, so... Ok, to the problem --- I

Re: F8: no fullscreen video with ATI fglrx driver

2008-10-02 Thread Marko Vojinovic
On Thursday 02 October 2008 19:00, wwp wrote: since I use the fglrx driver in my Fedora 8 (Dell D810, X600 ATI board, was using the radeon driver before), I can't get mplayer or xkype to display a video in fullscreen. Pressing F in mplayer just does paint the original size video in a black

Re: [OT] CentOS 3rd party repositories?

2008-10-02 Thread Marko Vojinovic
On Thursday 02 October 2008 11:53, Jonathan Dieter wrote: 1) kmod-nvidia and kmod-fglrx --- searching through the web, all I see about CentOS is installing/compiling drivers straight from nVidia and ATI. Are there maintained yumable packages that get autoupdated along with CentOS kernel

Re: How is KDE4 supposed to be used ?

2008-10-04 Thread Marko Vojinovic
On Saturday 04 October 2008 18:32, Arthur Pemberton wrote: On Sat, Oct 4, 2008 at 11:15 AM, Linuxguy123 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There is and has been a lot of grumbling about KDE4 from a number of people including myself. On the other hand, some people think its great. I can't help

Re: How is KDE4 supposed to be used ?

2008-10-05 Thread Marko Vojinovic
On Saturday 04 October 2008 23:05, Craig White wrote: Mini-applications that were formally known as desk accessories like calculators and stuff were relegated to applications and thus required more effort to launch. KDE and it's plasmoids are returning these 'widgets' to a functional space

Re: Video card

2008-10-07 Thread Marko Vojinovic
On Monday 06 October 2008 21:04, Dan wrote: Could you give me some names of Video cards that are most compatible with Fedora 9 and that have drivers for Fedora 9?? I've had experience with all three vendors, nVidia, ATI and Intel, with various versions of Fedora. But I have no other resource

Re: 3D effects query

2008-10-09 Thread Marko Vojinovic
On Wednesday 08 October 2008 17:55, Dan Track wrote: On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 4:42 PM, Dan Track [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've installed an nvidia quaddro fx570 card and I have it up and running in twinview. I've enabled 3d effects how can I tell if the 3d is being done by the graphics card

Re: wild and crazy selinux dependencies?

2008-10-09 Thread Marko Vojinovic
On Wednesday 08 October 2008 19:58, Daniel J Walsh wrote: Tom Horsley wrote: I was just trying to remove as many selinux related packages as possible (a fedora 9 system) to avoid having to download their updates when I have selinux turned off anyway. [snip] Several of the rpms I tried to

Re: wild and crazy selinux dependencies?

2008-10-12 Thread Marko Vojinovic
On Saturday 11 October 2008 14:19, Tom Horsley wrote: On Thu, 9 Oct 2008 12:02:52 + Marko Vojinovic [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In general, you want a system with active selinux as much as a system with file permissions. Security. In general, I want a system where it is possible to get

Re: Two problems in f9 - pulseaudio and kde4 - need suggestions

2008-10-13 Thread Marko Vojinovic
On Monday 13 October 2008 00:06, Kevin Kofler wrote: Marko Vojinovic vvmarko at panet.co.yu writes: But it is being done very fast, and KDE 4.2 (iirc, to come with F10) will be much more feature-rich then the present version 4.1. F10 will ship with 4.1.2 or 4.1.3, not 4.2. There's simply

Re: When will KDE4 get a desktop like in KDE3.x ?

2008-10-21 Thread Marko Vojinovic
On Monday 20 October 2008 23:50, Linuxguy123 wrote: Why can't we have files and icons on the desktop, ala KDE3.x ? You can. Use folder-view widget, and point it to the Desktop folder under your home directory. However... It could be argued that files and icons do not belong on the desktop,

Re: When will KDE4 get a desktop like in KDE3.x ?

2008-10-21 Thread Marko Vojinovic
On Tuesday 21 October 2008 21:19, BRUCE STANLEY wrote: --- On Tue, 10/21/08, Marko Vojinovic [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It could be argued that files and icons do not belong on the desktop, but rather in home directory. It could also be argued that one should use a file manager rather

Re: Wish To Know The Basics of Installing/Downloading a Fedora Operating System

2008-10-30 Thread Marko Vojinovic
On Wednesday 29 October 2008 11:08, Ubique Enterprises wrote: a) Download a Fedora Operating System on a folder in the hard disk. And transfer it out of this computer to another stand alone machine which currently has only a 256 MB RAM with the help of a pen drive/pen drive having a 1 gb

Re: Make a DHCP server using Fedora - Help

2008-11-15 Thread Marko Vojinovic
On Saturday 15 November 2008 01:09, Antonio Olivares wrote: I am trying once again, something that I have not succeeded in doing. I have tried before: http://marc.info/?l=fedora-listm=112527669314098w=4 Haven't read the whole thread, sorry, just the beggining. But I hope I didn't miss much

Re: Make a DHCP server using Fedora - Help

2008-11-16 Thread Marko Vojinovic
Antonio and others, I'm writing the stuff below off the top of my head --- please feel free to correct me if necessarry, I may have slipped here or there... ;-) On Sunday 16 November 2008 20:52, Antonio Olivares wrote: I changed DHCPDARG=eth0 as was suggested, but not working. I missed this

Re: set up NAT (network address translation) on local server

2008-11-20 Thread Marko Vojinovic
On Thursday 20 November 2008 13:52, Christopher K. Johnson wrote: Does /etc/sysconfig/iptables actually contain the lines *nat :PREROUTING ACCEPT [1:233] :POSTROUTING ACCEPT [0:0] :OUTPUT ACCEPT [0:0] -A POSTROUTING -s 192.168.1.0/24 -o eth0 -j SNAT --to-source 10.154.19.210 COMMIT It

Re: F10 flat out rocks...

2008-11-29 Thread Marko Vojinovic
On Saturday 29 November 2008 19:47, Antonio Olivares wrote: The machine was just built. It is new, It is a dual boot with Mr. Gates OS as well. It has not frozen like Fedora has. I have run Slax on it for two days straight and no freezes. I have blacklisted r8169 driver on it and I see

Test, please ignore...

2008-12-26 Thread Marko Vojinovic
I had some problems with my subscription, just checking that now everything is ok. Please ignore this message. Best, :-) Marko -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines:

X locks up after a random time

2009-01-02 Thread Marko Vojinovic
Ok, this is a Fujitsu Siemens Esprimo U9200, with Intel graphics, F10 64bit, updated last week. KDE desktop, compiz and all, but I believe it is not related. The symptom: system boots up regularly, I do regular work, and after a random amount of time, X freezes. If compiz is on, all I can do

Re: X locks up after a random time

2009-01-03 Thread Marko Vojinovic
On Saturday 03 January 2009 02:36, Rex Dieter wrote: Marko Vojinovic wrote: Ok, this is a Fujitsu Siemens Esprimo U9200, with Intel graphics, F10 64bit, updated last week. KDE desktop, compiz and all, but I believe it is not related. In the meantime, I've tried backing down to using

Re: X locks up after a random time

2009-01-03 Thread Marko Vojinovic
On Saturday 03 January 2009 02:07, Paulo Cavalcanti wrote: On Fri, Jan 2, 2009 at 10:36 PM, Marko Vojinovic vvma...@panet.co.yuwrote: Ok, this is a Fujitsu Siemens Esprimo U9200, with Intel graphics, F10 64bit, updated last week. KDE desktop, compiz and all, but I believe

Re: MP3 playback in XMMS

2009-01-09 Thread Marko Vojinovic
On Thursday 08 January 2009 01:17, Todd Zullinger wrote: And why in the world is anyone still using xmms, with it's hideous gtk1 widget set and poor utf-8 support? It's simple to use, with easy user interface --- play, stop, pause, rew, ff, shuffle, repeat (and nothing else) on one window. It

Re: KDE Terminal

2009-01-09 Thread Marko Vojinovic
On Thursday 08 January 2009 16:53, Thomas Iverson wrote: On Thu, Jan 8, 2009 at 11:39 PM, Anne Wilson an...@kde.org wrote: On Thursday 08 January 2009 15:28:44 John Aldrich wrote: On Thursday 08 January 2009, Joseph L. Casale wrote: Is there a terminal in KDE 4 that behaves like the main

Re: music download sites?

2009-01-20 Thread Marko Vojinovic
On Tuesday 20 January 2009 20:05, Kevin Kempter wrote: anyone out there using one of the pay for music download sites? I'm wanting to find one that does not require windows or mac software to simply download the mp3 files, or other such stupidity. Suggestions ? Google and torrent? HTH, :-)

Re: Windowmaker and NetworkManager

2009-01-28 Thread Marko Vojinovic
2009/1/28 suvayu ali fatkasuvayu+li...@gmail.com: 2009/1/28 Steve st...@lonetwin.net: Hi Suvayu, On Wed 28/01/09 3:51 PM , suvayu ali fatkasuvayu+li...@gmail.com sent: Hi, How do I manage my networks when I am using windowmaker as my desktop manager? I can connect to my wifi network

Re: X locks up with Intel Q45/Q43

2009-02-18 Thread Marko Vojinovic
, I'm not sure), X freezes on a random basis, and we are all nervously waiting for a fix since September 2008... :-( And waiting... and waiting... and waiting... HTH, :-) Marko Marko Vojinovic Institute of Physics University of Belgrade == e-mail: vma...@phy.bg.ac.yu -- fedora

Small SELinux issue with kdm and grub

2009-03-08 Thread Marko Vojinovic
Greetings everyone! :-) This is not a big issue, but it annoys me every time I logout, so... Anyway, setroubleshoot says the following: ### Summary: SELinux is preventing kdm (xdm_t) execute to ./grub (bootloader_exec_t). Detailed Description: SELinux denied

Re: The Cube in FC10/KDE-4.2

2009-03-08 Thread Marko Vojinovic
On Saturday 07 March 2009 19:40, Anne Wilson wrote: On Saturday 07 March 2009 17:47:40 Jim wrote: Is Desktop Cube Default kde install ? Or what do I need to install ? It's in the default install. Open SystemSettings Desktop and enable Desktop Effects. Open the All Effects tab and

Re: Small SELinux issue with kdm and grub

2009-03-08 Thread Marko Vojinovic
On Sunday 08 March 2009 23:16, Kevin Kofler wrote: Marko Vojinovic wrote: So, does anyone understand what is going on and why? You cannot use the KDM bootloader integration with SELinux. It is disabled by default for a reason. The SELinux policy maintainers do not want to allow

Re: Small SELinux issue with kdm and grub [solved]

2009-03-09 Thread Marko Vojinovic
On Sunday 08 March 2009 23:39, Kevin Kofler wrote: Marko Vojinovic wrote: I don't understand the last point. What is the feature of KDM that you talk about? I don't remember enabling any specific feature of KDM other than autologin. Is that it? In the 5th tab of the KDM options, there's

Re: Small SELinux issue with kdm and grub [solved]

2009-03-09 Thread Marko Vojinovic
On Monday 09 March 2009 14:48, Daniel J Walsh wrote: Login programs are becoming a lot larger, lots of software needs to be run in order to allow Assisted Technologies. Most of this software can be executed by a non logged in user, so a bug in the software could compromise the system.

Re: Not all compiz effects working

2009-03-10 Thread Marko Vojinovic
On Tuesday 10 March 2009 03:46, Kanwar Ranbir Sandhu wrote: Hello Everyone, I am running Fedora 10 x86_64 on a P5Q-E motherboard with a Radeon HD 3870 graphics card. I'm using the fglrx module provided by RPMs from the rpm fusion non-free repo. My desktop environment is Gnome. I have

NetworkManager doesn't work on eth0 anymore

2009-03-11 Thread Marko Vojinovic
After the latest updates: Mar 10 14:10:11 Updated: 1:NetworkManager-glib-0.7.0.99-1.fc10.x86_64 Mar 10 14:10:17 Updated: 1:NetworkManager-0.7.0.99-1.fc10.x86_64 Mar 10 14:10:56 Updated: 1:NetworkManager-gnome-0.7.0.99-1.fc10.x86_64 Mar 10 14:11:01 Updated:

Re: NetworkManager doesn't work on eth0 anymore

2009-03-11 Thread Marko Vojinovic
Marko Vojinovic pĂ­ĹĄe v St 11. 03. 2009 v 18:59 +0100: After the latest updates: Mar 10 14:10:11 Updated: 1:NetworkManager-glib-0.7.0.99-1.fc10.x86_64 Mar 10 14:10:17 Updated: 1:NetworkManager-0.7.0.99-1.fc10.x86_64 Mar 10 14:10:56 Updated: 1:NetworkManager-gnome-0.7.0.99-1.fc10.x86_64

Re: F10 and built-in Intel graphics [SOLVED]

2009-03-19 Thread Marko Vojinovic
On Tuesday 17 March 2009 19:18, Matthew Saltzman wrote: I can't find the other e-mail in which someone suggested using XAA acceleration, but that seems to have worked so far. Thanks, all! It doesn't work. It improves the time between two crashes, but does not eliminate them. The only

Re: F10 and built-in Intel graphics [SOLVED]

2009-03-19 Thread Marko Vojinovic
On Thursday 19 March 2009 19:06, Kevin Kofler wrote: Marko Vojinovic wrote: and a bug that so radically affects all Intel cards is not fixed for half a year now... It doesn't affect all Intel cards, only 945 and older. My GM965 works great in F10. I'd say you are just being lucky: [r

Re: F10 and built-in Intel graphics [SOLVED]

2009-03-19 Thread Marko Vojinovic
On Thursday 19 March 2009 20:12, psmith wrote: Marko Vojinovic wrote: On Tuesday 17 March 2009 19:18, Matthew Saltzman wrote: rant So much for the famous Open Source support. If it were a nVidia bug, it would be just fixed in the next release of their closed-source driver. Even ATI's

Re: F10 Things Breaking

2009-03-21 Thread Marko Vojinovic
On Saturday 21 March 2009 23:05, Conor Mac Aoidh wrote: I have been having problems with my Fedora 10 installation recently. I don't know what it is but a hell of a lot of things are breaking. First I installed an upgrade that broke Yum, which I have fixed. Then I installed another update that

Re: F10 Things Breaking

2009-03-22 Thread Marko Vojinovic
On Sunday 22 March 2009 04:14, Mamoru Tasaka wrote: Red Hat Legal felt that these two packages (kooldock and cairo-dock) have the possibility of infringing Apple's software patent and removed these two packages from rawhide tree. That is, these two pacakges will no longer be available on

Re: Interactive startup on F10. Pressing I doesn't work

2009-04-03 Thread Marko Vojinovic
On Friday 03 April 2009 03:54, Clark Martin wrote: Alan Evans wrote: I would have thought that the key-repeat wouldn't differ functionally from rapidly tapping the key. Most computer keyboards transmit to the computer a key down and key up for each key. I believe this is the only possible

Re: Misleading information

2009-04-04 Thread Marko Vojinovic
On Saturday 04 April 2009 15:23, David wrote: On 4/4/2009 12:10 AM, m wrote: Joshua C. wrote: 2009/4/4 Kevin Kofler kevin.kof...@chello.at: ...Unfortunately, new users and even some experienced ones tend to trust the press way too much without doing any fact checking. Kevin

Re: Safely remove USB stick

2009-04-04 Thread Marko Vojinovic
On Saturday 04 April 2009 13:30, Timothy Murphy wrote: Left clicking on the icon, and choosing StartKdiskFree opens a window with various devices, including the USB stick, on it. On clicking on the USB stick I am offered the option to Unmount Device. The only way to Safely Remove the stick

Re: Goto [Was Re: Chown ???]

2009-04-11 Thread Marko Vojinovic
On Friday 10 April 2009 20:44, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: On Fri, 2009-04-10 at 10:32 -0500, Dave Ihnat wrote: The purpose of deprecating use of goto was to avoid the spaghetti code that was so prevalent, especially in C. Bzzzt. Close but no cigar. The problems with Goto were pointed out by

Re: Goto [Was Re: Chown ???]

2009-04-11 Thread Marko Vojinovic
On Saturday 11 April 2009 11:55, Steve Searle wrote: Around 11:01am on Saturday, April 11, 2009 (UK time), Marko Vojinovic scrawled: Are these letters available electronically? Any links maybe? I'm just curious, would like to read them. http://tinyurl.com/danq7a Thanks Steve, I'll look

Re: Knuth comments on Gotos 1974

2009-04-11 Thread Marko Vojinovic
On Saturday 11 April 2009 03:44, Aaron Konstam wrote: http://pplab.snu.ac.kr/courses/adv_pl05/papers/p261-knuth.pdf Thanks Aaron, I'll look it up soon! Best, :-) Marko -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list

Difference between NAT and NAPT?

2009-04-26 Thread Marko Vojinovic
In short, what is the difference? Are there any (dis)advantages of using one over the other? Best, :-) Marko -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines:

Re: Difference between NAT and NAPT?

2009-04-29 Thread Marko Vojinovic
On Tuesday 28 April 2009 07:51, Nifty Fedora Mitch wrote: On Sun, Apr 26, 2009 at 05:51:52PM +0200, Marko Vojinovic wrote: In short, what is the difference? Are there any (dis)advantages of using one over the other? Put your subject line in a search engine like Google. http

Two monitors, modelines, xorg.conf, and all that...

2009-06-03 Thread Marko Vojinovic
I have a laptop whose widescreen LVDS reports these modelines (correctly, afaik): (II) intel(0): Modeline 1280x800x59.8 83.50 1280 1352 1480 1680 800 803 809 831 -hsync -vsync (49.7 kHz) (II) intel(0): Modeline 1024x768x60.0 65.00 1024 1048 1184 1344 768 771 777 806 -hsync -vsync (48.4 kHz)

[F11, SELinux] What is mls?

2009-07-07 Thread Marko Vojinovic
Hello folks! On this freshly installed F11 machine (from the KDE Live CD) I often get selinux alerts similar to the one below. It's not just openvpn, but also mv (dhcpc_t) and ifconfig (ifconfig_t). I don't feel anything to be non-functional (aside from openvpn, but that's a different problem),

Re: [F11, SELinux] What is mls?

2009-07-07 Thread Marko Vojinovic
On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 1:58 PM, Stephen Smalleys...@tycho.nsa.gov wrote: You can ignore, and I think they are silenced by a policy update. A libselinux constructor probes for /selinux/mls to initialize internal state used later by the library functions, and unfortunately all of the net-tools

Re: Setting up OpenVPN semi-manually

2009-07-23 Thread Marko Vojinovic
On Friday 24 July 2009 00:24:20 Bill Davidsen wrote: It turns out that nothing I could do in NM was going to be useful, because NM runs too late, no matter how many start this at boot boxes I click, it doesn't, so all the things I want to do using the tunnel fail. I would never suggest using

Re: will we ever have radeon drivers that aren't crap?

2009-07-23 Thread Marko Vojinovic
On Thursday 23 July 2009 20:48:44 jdow wrote: From: Robert P. J. Day rpj...@crashcourse.ca Sent: Thursday, 2009/July/23 10:56 apologies for the unduly harsh tone but, seriously, will there ever be radeon drivers available for fedora that aren't complete junk? this has been going on for

Re: [OT] I introduce myself

2009-07-25 Thread Marko Vojinovic
On Saturday 25 July 2009 00:30:32 Julian Aloofi wrote: Am Freitag, den 24.07.2009, 16:47 -0600 schrieb Elodh Elleuthe: Hello List: My name is Elodh. I am glad to join to the list of Fedora users. Greetings! Welcome on the list. Have a good time here! :D +1! And before anybody jumps

Re: Playing quicktime movies on Firefox

2009-07-26 Thread Marko Vojinovic
On Sunday 26 July 2009 09:39:20 Colin Paul Adams wrote: I tried another tack, and installed mplayer. I then downloaded the movie, rather than trying from firefox. This isn't much better - I get a load of error messages from mplayer: Apologies for jumping in the thread, but when mplayer spews

Re: From the top... how do I get sound working in F11 ?

2009-07-27 Thread Marko Vojinovic
On Sunday 26 July 2009 22:29:32 Bill Davidsen wrote: The scary thing is that you don't see anything wrong with this picture, seven volume control, mixers, and device selectors, and also two config files. Have you ever visited a radio station studio or a TV studio? Do you know how many mixer

Re: [Slightly OT] Re: Ranter or evangelist?

2009-07-27 Thread Marko Vojinovic
On Monday 27 July 2009 03:06:34 gil...@altern.org wrote: I didn't say using wmv was the problem If you don't, well, I do. Using proprietary formats on state television is ABSOLUTELY inacceptable. Then go complain to the TV station and educate *them* that they made a bad choice of format.

Re: will we ever have radeon drivers that aren't crap?

2009-07-28 Thread Marko Vojinovic
On Tuesday 28 July 2009 02:58:14 John Mellor wrote: On Fri, 2009-07-24 at 12:23 +0200, Julian Aloofi wrote: Am Donnerstag, den 23.07.2009, 20:13 -0400 schrieb John Mellor: This is a Fedora-killer. Nothing should be higher priority. Is there any way to get Radeon HD support as a

Re: Streaming video capture problem

2009-07-28 Thread Marko Vojinovic
On Tuesday 28 July 2009 09:24:51 Anne Wilson wrote: On Tuesday 28 July 2009 01:56:37 suvayu ali wrote: 2009/7/27 David Boles dgbo...@comcast.net: On Monday 27 July 2009 16:32:32 David Boles wrote: I have a friend that perched herself on a plinth in Trafalgar Square as part of a 'live

Re: Playing Cinema DVDs problem

2009-07-28 Thread Marko Vojinovic
On Tuesday 28 July 2009 04:36:18 gil...@altern.org wrote: SMPlayer refuses to play it. I then found out that it was possible to play encrypted for time zones DVDs with this command: mplayer -sb 250 dvd:// man mplayer will tell you what -sb means: -sb byte position (also see -ss)

Re: Suddenly I can't play audio CDs in F11.

2009-07-28 Thread Marko Vojinovic
On Tuesday 28 July 2009 06:46:11 Tim wrote: With everything set to pulseaudio, sound sharing worked (i.e. two, or more, programs could generate sound at the same time). But as soon as *anything* directly used ALSA (or another sound system), it wedged everything else, and sometimes even

Re: will we ever have radeon drivers that aren't crap?

2009-07-28 Thread Marko Vojinovic
On Tuesday 28 July 2009 12:53:34 Ian Malone wrote: 2009/7/28 Marko Vojinovic vvma...@gmail.com: On the other hand I was pleasantly surprised to discover that my nVidia card was supported straight when installing F11 as it was one of the few not supported by the nv (open) driver for a while

Re: From the top... how do I get sound working in F11 ?

2009-07-30 Thread Marko Vojinovic
On Thursday 30 July 2009 10:20:57 Michael Schwendt wrote: On Sat, 25 Jul 2009 19:39:25 -0700, stan wrote: I'm probably not the person to be defending pulse, because I leave it installed but disabled. Is there a bullet-proof way to do that? Disabling PulseAudio is a FAQ for Fedora,

Re: Playing Cinema DVDs problem

2009-07-30 Thread Marko Vojinovic
On Thursday 30 July 2009 22:24:30 gil...@altern.org wrote: Thanks to your instructions, I could watch the movie, starting it from the command line. Glad it worked. :-) What I don't understand is why it works from the command line and not from the interface. After all, all the interface does

Re: [Slightly OT] Re: Ranter or evangelist?

2009-07-30 Thread Marko Vojinovic
On Friday 31 July 2009 01:43:39 gil...@altern.org wrote: Yes. You have been told many times already. Fedora CANNOT include mplayer due to legal reasons (ie) some of these codecs infringe on US patents and redistribution of codecs for a distribution legally based in US would invite

Re: The ideal mail client?

2009-08-03 Thread Marko Vojinovic
On Saturday 01 August 2009 23:39:43 Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: Even outside the MSE Twilight Zone, plenty of people seem to use Evo's calendaring, task management etc. features. Some of these are coming to TB via plugins, but they aren't really there yet AFAIK. Sorry to jump in on the subject,

Re: The ideal mail client?

2009-08-03 Thread Marko Vojinovic
On Sunday 02 August 2009 03:07:18 Tom Horsley wrote: On Sat, 1 Aug 2009 18:45:08 -0700 (PDT) Antonio Olivares wrote: I can live without VLC and xine but mplayer has a special place on my machines :) Me too. I've never found anything (except encrypted .wmv files) than mplayer can't play

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