Re: Installation plays hardball
On Sat, Jan 2, 2010 at 8:29 AM, John Aldrich wrote: It's all there in the GUI, and it's completely configurable. Nothing is forced down on you, AFAIK. That's true. However, it *defaults* to LVM. i.e., users who did not change the defaults/do not know the implications of the defaults/do not even know what the defaults are or why they should change them, have LVM forced upon them. Everyone who tries Linux is not a partition master. It's a chicken-without-egg problem. You don't gain more testers or users, without lowering the barrier to entry in a friendly way. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Mono.Cecil monodevelop-debugger-mdb
That was definitely informative. Thanks for the explanations. -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: Mono.Cecil monodevelop-debugger-mdb
No, we should patch the broken packages to work with the current Mono.Cecil. And upstream deserves a beating for this attitude. :-/ Why am I not surprised this is coming from the M$-loving Mono community? Shouldn't Fedora take upstream's design into account? It's their software, after all. And doesn't Java work in a similar way? You can't expect everyone to change their software design to work for Fedora, even if it has disadvantages. -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: F12: KDE and PulseAudio latest update
How to I get Skype to use my USB webcams mic ? GNOME should allow you to choose which device for speaker input. Doesn't the webcam mike show up under Sound Properties (right click on speaker in bar)? -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: small gripe -- for Fedora, or KDE, or ....?
*Why* do I get so much more info about Gnome apps than KDE ones, *who* could change that, and *where* can I make the request and expect it to be on topic? All this technical mumbo-jumbo aside. Basically, it's because GNOME treats the KDE apps unfairly. Yes, it's lame. Yes, it's a known problem in GNOME, and they're working (talking about working?) on it. No, there's nothing you can do - aside from helping - that will make anyone move faster to solve it. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Sound volumes giving you fits?
On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 8:21 AM, Eric Mesa wrote: THANK YOU SO MUCH for the info on how to fix PulseAudio. My ears have been blasted to the point of pain when using my ear-covering studio headphones and Fedora suddenly decided to go full volume on a rock song. I will implement your fix when I get home today. Flat volumes are extremely inconvenient and a little buggy in F11, but they actually do work much better in F12. Pulse remembers your maximum volume, doesn't let applications jump stuff to 100%, and keeps application volumes relative to each other, even when you close apps and change the volumes. I think it's improved a lot in F12. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: where's the GNOME sound recorder?
Thanks! -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
missing HP printer drivers for PSC 12xx series?
My Hewlett-Packard printer-scanner-copier 1210 auto-detected and installed automatically just fine in Fedora 11. In 12, it says can't find driver for HP Series 1200 PSC or somesuch. Clicking search on the alert shows the giant vendor list of drivers, and sure enough, the HP PSC drivers stop at 900. Have they been moved to another package? -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Fedora 12 Graphics Issues: Cancel F13 and concentrate on fixing F12 ?
On Sun, Nov 29, 2009 at 10:46 PM, Bojan Smojver wrote: Rudolf Kastl writes: intel (i965) works fine... You are lucky. Major regressions there in F-12. On my hardware, this used to work when nomodeset was passed to kernel. Now, it doesn't any more. With KMS, on the other hand, hibernate/thaw or suspend/resume causes the whole system to go berserk after a few cycles. So, I'm back to metacity and 2D. Bugs filed, of course, etc. I've got a i965, and while I admit that it's still a little rough, it works mostly fine, with KMS and 3D doing fine. Compiz and GNOME Shell are pretty functional, and suspend and hibernate are nearly flawless (or at least as flawless is on Linux). The only real problem is a conflict with rendering in Qt-demo, but...alas. -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: Fedora 12 Graphics Issues: Cancel F13 and concentrate on fixing F12 ?
For the Qt-demo rendering issue on intel, it is fixed by Qt 4.6. Good to hear! -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
where's the GNOME sound recorder?
It doesn't seem to be included from my LiveCD installation of Fedora 12. PackageKit returns no queries for recorder related to the GNOME desktop, and of course Multimedia category and sound queries are too large to search manually. A yum search sound | grep recorder also returns nothing. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Pulseaudio in F12
I have two sound cards installed: one onboard and another PCI. The PCI, the one I do no use very much, works fine. The onboard is the one which does not save the volumes. Every time I call an application its master and pcm volume go to the maximum (I see the sliders going to the top in alsamixer). This has been addressed by the PulseAudio creator. You can read more about it here, see the PCM is always 100%: http://pulseaudio.org/wiki/PulseAudioStoleMyVolumes In my lay explanation, Pulse manages the application volumes behind the scenes. It still remembers their values, but it doesn't use Alsamixer to set them. It tries to use the full volume range of the hardware (for better volume scaling), so it keeps every other software linux volume control at full volume, and scales itself internally. Otherwise, ALSA would say you can only use the lower 50% of the sound range of this device. (PCM at 50%). Now Pulse decides internally what volume level is best. -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: Setting up a VM to run an F12 guest on an XP host
Can't vanilla QEMU do virtualization with only user privileges and no formal installation? Don't know if it would be useful, but maybe an interesting experiment. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
crazy Xrandr/XOrg automatic display configuration.
I assumed, via the release notes, that the new Xorg operates in extend-desktop mode by default. However, I'm not sure. When I hook up a running Fedora laptop to a projector, my desktop is extended. Very nice. When I hook up the same projector and then -boot- my Fedora laptop, I am set to mirrored-mode by default at startup. Does anyone else have this? Why are there two different external display behaviors? -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: crazy Xrandr/XOrg automatic display configuration.
On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 12:48 PM, Matthias Clasen wrote: This is intentional. Plymouth is rendering the same boot animation on all heads; not sure we can do much better. Oh, I don't mind that at all. That's awesome. I understand that clone mode is excellent for Plymouth. But after Fedora logs in, couldn't GNOME/Xorg set an extended desktop? Since that does seem to be the endorsed behavior. Surely letting Plymouth use clone mode doesn't mean the desktop session can't expand the desktop after login? -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: crazy Xrandr/XOrg automatic display configuration.
Oh, I misunderstood. Yeah, it should remember the previous configuration you had with this combination of outputs. This information is stored in ~/.config/monitors.xml. Right. I guess what I'm saying is...it doesn't seem to. The very first time I booted my laptop with this (800x600) projector, it defaulted to clone mode in session. I left the room and restarted my laptop. When I returned, plugging the monitor in live resulted in an extended desktop (very cool). I then restarted my laptop and let it boot fresh with the monitor plugged in. The desktop session started in clone mode again. I have a completely-different-in-every-way giant widescreen monitor at home, so I don't think Display Settings is mixing up the external display configurations. -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: crazy Xrandr/XOrg automatic display configuration.
Please pardon my answering everyone in one email. To Adam: I have not used my BIOS. The Intel 965 card on my Toshiba laptop has no BIOS options. I can't even change the default scaling from full-panel to off. It's really sad. The OS has to do everything in this laptop, since the BIOS doesn't have an option. The Windows drivers had a tool that let me set panel-only, but it only worked after I booted into Windows. Linux has no such driver-management tool as far as I know. To Jeff: Thank you for replying. I tried going through my monitors.xml file, and there is not a single lt;clonegt;yeslt;/clonegt; line. Every config (including for the 800x600 projector) sets clone to no. I tried the projector multiple times in multiple boots last night, so I don't think this was a monitors.xml, specifically after using extended mode and rebooting my laptop, and I still got clone mode. To Matthias: thanks for the tip, but I don't have a monitors.xml.backup file. -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: crazy Xrandr/XOrg automatic display configuration.
lt;clonegt;yeslt;/clonegt; line. Every config (including for the 800x600 projector) sets clone to no. Sorry for the bad escape code. I meant there are no cloneyes/clone lines at all. -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: crazy Xrandr/XOrg automatic display configuration.
On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 2:37 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: so, um, you didn't read it, then. =) he simply suggested connecting the external monitor at grub stage rather than having it plugged in at BIOS stage, to see if that made a difference. Oh, curses! Right, sorry about that. When I go back to school after thanksgiving I'll try this. On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 2:31 PM, Jeff Spaleta wrote: From reading the bug... I think if you copy monitors.xml to monitors.xml.backup I think you'll see a difference. From the bug comments it seems monitors.xml isn't being read but if montors.xml.backup exists its always read. Looks like a real upstream bug. I'll try that. But, that upstream bug looks stalled. I guess if this is the problem, it's the end of the line for now. As I can barely use GCC, let alone GDB. -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: Evolution mail and TNEF attachment plugin
I have heard about that, but as a non-evolution it isn't interesting for me. How about you ? Want to contribute to the Fedora community and learn a little a packaging software for a distro ? I'm not sure I understand. Are you saying it's not an actual Evolution plugin? I can't help package right now, not enough free time. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
rhythmbox, UPNP, firewalls etc.
Hey. Two problems when using Rhythmbox's UPNP plugin. 1. How can I open up the Fedora firewall correctly? I've seen posts that in forums (eg. Ubuntu) that say open port UDP-1900, but I tried this and I still can't see my friends in the network (as opposed to firewall-off, when I can see them just fine). 2. When I turn my firewall off to share my Rhythmbox, my Windows-using friends can't access it. They see it on the network but it's just a strange device, rather than a Media Device readable by Windows Media Player. So how do I actually get this stuff to work? I was under the impression that this should be relatively easy. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Evolution mail and TNEF attachment plugin
Hello all. I see on the internet that there is a utility to decode TNEF/(Microsoft Outlook)-type email attachments. The utility (library?) looks like its available in Fedora. However, there is a separate Evolution plugin that appears to be upstream (since GNOME 2.12 [1]). This plugin doesn't seem to be available in Fedora. Are there any plans to make it available? 1. https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=271398 -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
missing help files for Evolution and Nautilus in F12 Beta?
In F12, the GNOME Help Program (I think it's called Yelp, now?) shows an error when trying to access Help in either Nautilus or Evolution. Do these programs not have help available? Or has it simply not been packaged for the F12 beta? -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
updating F11 GNOME release
This is unfortunately not actually a helpful topic, but I am deathly curious. Will GNOME be stuck at 2.26 for the rest of the F11 cycle? Or are updates in the works, just not ready yet? -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: updating F11 GNOME release
@Judd, wait for the F12 release, it's the best 'update' and it is not ready yet! I hope so. I'm not sure anything can top Fedora 8. Hard to explain how much I enjoyed that distribution. -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: Samba with Windows XP client
in theory what you suggest should work. but I've certainly had plenty of cases where for reasons unknown to me I couldn't browse to a particular machine or share, but could manually mount it just fine. I second this. I have -never- gotten Windows Network browsing to work reliably, under either the latest versions of Ubuntu or Fedora. And that's after browsing through numerous Samba packages and firewall settings posts for both distros (although at least Fedora has that handy Samba toggle in system-config-firewall). For the lay person, it's just unconquerable. Being able to integrate into the local network should be a default feature for desktop users, with little to no configuration needed. Heck, I can't even get Gnome's User File Sharing to work between Ubuntu and Fedora unless I completely deactivate the firewalls -- and Fedora doesn't come with the correct packages installed by default; you have to hunt down certain Apache and DAV packages yourself before you can activate the -built-in- file sharing! Couple this with bugreports that GVFS (the new GNOME filesystem library) can't do logins to certain Windows domains, WebDAV using NTLM (a type of Windows authentication that has been successfully implemented elsewhere), or support different profiles (like read-only Guest, but read-write requires a real account on the target PC) and network-sharing is just a pain in the arse. I apologize for the bitterness. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Samba with Windows XP client
But it has to be said that Windows networking can be a nightmare in its native environment. After fault finding other people's systems, I've reached the conclusion that it's been badly designed, and never sensibly fixed up. I'd agree with this almost completely, with about one exception: Apple. No one has ever integrated their user desktop with a competitor's network environment better. :) Heck, probably better than real Windows PCs. At the very least, it would be lovely if Fedora user desktops could reliably network with -themselves-. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: (2nd time)unable to burn disk in brasero disk burner (every-time it spoils the disk )
F11's Brasero has had some serious bugs (it started out fine, but updates made it worse). You could try updating to the newest Brasero in Rawhide. yum update --enablerepo=rawhide brasero That might work. You could also try running F12, which uses the newest version of Brasero as well and has fixed several bugs. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: the ultimate fedora laptop?
beyond the standard virt support, is it worth looking at IOMMU support? (intel calls it VT-d, while AMD calls it AMD-Vi. are laptops shipping with that feature these days? is it immediately useful?) As for VT-d and AMD-Vi, I believe these -are- the standard hardware virtualization support. They're definitely available in a lot of Intel processors (even some Atom processors), and isn't there some intel page that lists features of all their processor lines? You can check for VT-d in whichever one for the laptop. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: the ultimate fedora laptop?
beyond the standard virt support, is it worth looking at IOMMU support? (intel calls it VT-d, while AMD calls it AMD-Vi. Yes, that looks right. IOMMU -is- VT-d. AIUI, standard HW virt support is AMD-V for AMD, and VT-x for intel. above and beyond that, you have what *used* to be called IOMMU. Um...now I'm not sure what you mean. I believe VT-d -is- IOMMU. It allows redirection of memory access for faster virtualization. My lay grasp is bound to be inaccurate. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Looking into LLVM
On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 12:31 PM, Kevin Kofler wrote: AFAICT, the native LLVM backends don't have that problem. The real problem with C++ is that Clang's C++ support is experimental and incomplete, so you're stuck with llvm-g++. I thought that C doesn't have any crazy name or symbol or virtual table mangling. The stuff should just work, right? But this is about C++. I don't mean to misunderstand, but if I recall from your very first post in this thread... Actually, the ABI issue is only if you use the C code generator, not the native ones. Hence I thought you were talking about ABI issues with C. I'm not up on how LLVM frontend integration works, so I actually don't understand the distinction between the LLVM C Backend and the native LLVM backends. Simply, can I write and compile a GTK program with LLVM? I'd love to use it for the intuitive error reporting, honestly. -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: Fedora 12 Beta
On Sun, Oct 25, 2009 at 3:19 AM, Rahul Sundaram sunda...@fedoraproject.org wrote: Yes. Development releases of Fedora have a large number of debugging stuff enabled. I really can't tell if you're joking. -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: Looking into LLVM
On Sun, Oct 25, 2009 at 5:52 PM, Kevin Kofler kevin.kof...@chello.at wrote: Actually, the ABI issue is only if you use the C code generator, not the native ones. I'm not sure I understand. How can LLVM-C be ABI-incompatible with plain GCC-C? I thought that C doesn't have any crazy name or symbol or virtual table mangling. The stuff should just work, right? Does that mean that I can't write a GTK program and compile with LLVM-C, since I can't link to the GTK libraries? -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: Status of touchpad support in F12 for kdm?
I suppose at least this does work even if upstream policy is not to make this available - however for a newbie just installing F11 and wanting this available it is not obvious from install notes or release notes as far as I remember? It's important to note... The reason why you can't configure any of this stuff ISN'T because upstream wants to stop you from enabling touchpad tapping. GNOME has never actually supported global settings on the login screen in the first place. The login screen runs a special account that doesn't have the same flexibility as a normal user (who can make his own settings). Notice how we can't configure the volume at login either? I'm just glad they finally got global network settings on the login screen. (Not sure when that comes to Fedora though...) And guess what? Windows doesn't let the average user configure any of this stuff either. You've -still- got to go mess with weird registry settings. So it's not specifically a GNOME thing. -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: Updates-testing (was: Re: thunderbird upgrade - wtf?)
What about using LVM to store a pre-update snapshot of your distro? (Separate root partition from /home and other stuff, of course. Roll back root). Highly inconvenient, but it would theoretically work... On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 11:54 AM, Seth Vidal skvi...@fedoraproject.org wrote: On Wed, 14 Oct 2009, Mike McGrath wrote: I've suggested this very thing in a F-A-B thread this week. We, packagers, have no way to fix a mistake and very few things preventing us from making them: https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-advisory-board/2009-October/msg00168.html Seriously: yum downgrade and in F12 - try out things like the history undo options. there are lots of potential nasty situations that can happen but I think the general consensus was 'screw it, let the user sort it out if it breaks, which it often does not' generally, if the app you updated modifies its data format and cannot revert it then the user is SOL - but that's not _THAT_ common and when it does happen it's certainly not yum's fault. -sv -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: Updates-testing (was: Re: thunderbird upgrade - wtf?)
On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 1:08 PM, Jesse Keating wrote: Newer builds with patches, reverted code with epoch, newer upstream release to fix the mistake upstream, etc.. To say that there is no way to fix a mistake is insulting. I'd like to logic-link here with the following... On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 12:57 PM, Seth Vidal wrote: It doesn't really help you when your data is modified by the update. So if my LVM snapshot and revert entire Fedora installed idea is dismissed as still not perfect, why is just revert one package pushed as a legitimate alternative? They both suffer from the same problem -- new packages may cause changes in data that are not reversibly compatible with the old package, and mere package rollback is not useful. -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: Updates-testing (was: Re: thunderbird upgrade - wtf?)
On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 1:11 PM, Jud Craft wrote: They both suffer from the same problem -- new packages may cause changes in data that are not reversibly compatible with the old package, and mere package rollback is not useful. Of course, I imagine that any rollback system that doesn't involve user data will have the same problem, theoretically. That includes any backup system that treats system programs separate from user data, when in fact one DOES change the other. -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: Updates-testing (was: Re: thunderbird upgrade - wtf?)
On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 1:13 PM, Seth Vidal wrote: There's no perfect. we're just going for 'good enough', really. Ah, so package-rollback is shipped as the halfway-effective crutch, but it's so easy to implement we might as well offer it anyway solution. Or, the excellent implementation of an incomplete solution. [No offense to the infrastructure design of yum, just stating the obvious here.] On the side, I store all of my user data and documents separate from my own actual home partition, and with every install I just wipe the home, and then re-link my documents and data to it. This scheme works decently (application-specific schemas and configs that are subject to irreversible change are discarded and recreated). But it's a pain to compensate for an inconvenient reality (that I must continually reinstall my distribution as a Fedora user, and I'm tired of having to migrate user data, where even residual /home directories leave rot). -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: GNOME startup, -before- desktop
It is very simple. I am trying to mount a FAT32 partition when I log in. I want it to be dynamically unmounted, and re-mounted, whenever a different user logs in. This has to be done to change the UID. (GID alone isn't enough to get full functionality under GNOME). As far as I can tell, automount doesn't do the unmount and remount for each user part. If someone corrects me I will gladly appreciate it, but for now I am very happy with my script. On Sat, Aug 22, 2009 at 10:33 PM, Ed Greshkoed.gres...@greshko.com wrote: Jud Craft wrote: It doesn't help to be members of the group/GID. I've definitely tried that mount option. Thank you for all of the GID hints, but as far as I can tell, that's not enough here. GNOME's trash functionality under FAT32, in particular, is based upon the UID of the user that has currently mounted the drive. It -must- currently be remounted per user, as a limitation of the Nautilus trash design. It -is- true that for all other intents and purposes, GID works fine. But it seems that some Nautilus functions really require the UID of the user to be set, so GID alone won't cut it. I am specifically trying to get GNOME to work. Since I'm using this partition to exchange data between Windows and Linux, it does have to be FAT32. I just don't understand a thing you are saying You started out by saying you wanted to write a script that does some mounting...from your own post... It automatically mounts a drive that contains my Desktop directory. Hence, I need it to work before nautilus does. It specifically is a per-user mount, so I can't have it globally automount at computer startup. So folks here have been talking about ways to mount things automatically using standard tools ... but now you reject advice due to FAT32. But your script that would mount would be mounting a FAT32 device/file system, yes? So, I don't known what in blazes your script would do differently and why your way would work and others won't. So...OK... I give up I am 100% certain that if I were in your shoes I could get things to work just fine without any kind of script or roadblock that you keep throwing up. Good luck... -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: GNOME startup, -before- desktop
It is very true that I did not want to do my own research. I wanted to summon the exact answer I needed from someone else's mind. Rediscovery was something I did not want to waste time on. Of laziness, I stand guilty. Genuinely, thanks for the posts though. Bookmarked, I'll be sure to give this stuff another look when I become unsatisfied again. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: GNOME startup, -before- desktop
I know that NTFS is pretty much as functional as FAT32 is. But I don't think that NTFS supports Linux users and groups on Linux. Does it? On Sat, Aug 22, 2009 at 10:13 PM, Timignored_mail...@yahoo.com.au wrote: On Sat, 2009-08-22 at 20:47 -0400, Jud Craft wrote: Since I'm using this partition to exchange data between Windows and Linux, it does have to be FAT32. Not necessarily. Depending on your version of Windows, and acceptance of a risk factor on Linux, you can use NTFS (which can support different users). And there are are drivers for Windows to access Linux file systems. -- [...@localhost ~]$ uname -r 2.6.27.25-78.2.56.fc9.i686 Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I read messages from the public lists. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: GNOME startup, -before- desktop
I don't think Fedora comes with auto-fs built in, does it? One feature I essentially need is that all my users are in a mount-group, so they can all unmount the drive. Whenever a user logs in, I need the drive to be automatically unmounted and then -remounted- as that user. Doing a simple script that does umount followed by mount accomplishes this nicely. I just need to make the script run before Nautilus so it doesn't freak out if the XDG Desktop directory changes. I'm not sure auto-fs can be set to automatically umount the partition if a different user is logging in and then remount it as that user. Similar to gnome-automount, I think it just automatically mounts the partition once, and leaves it mounted under the original user that mounted it even across sessions. That won't work. Key problem is that a lot of GNOME programs won't work with a FAT32 partition unless it is mounted under the user's name (ex., Trash functionality, temporary backup files in Text Editor, etc) since FAT32 doesn't have standard Unix permissions, so GNOME's shortcut is to only allow functionality for the user who mounted it (not even the group, but the specific user). That's great for a personal flash drive, but not for a shared system partition that holds documents or temp files. I want that to work automatically across different accounts on my machine, before startup, without any user action. So automatically remounting the FAT32 partition under the current user seems like a good idea. On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 1:51 AM, Ed Greshkoed.gres...@greshko.com wrote: Jud Craft wrote: It automatically mounts a drive that contains my Desktop directory. Hence, I need it to work before nautilus does. It specifically is a per-user mount, so I can't have it globally automount at computer startup. Have you considered using autofs for this? The automount will only happen when directory is accessed. So, something like this should work In auto.master /misc /etc/auto.misc In /etc/auto.misc Desktop -fstype=auto :/dev/sdc2 (or whatever you need) And in your home directory make Desktop a symbolic link to /misc/Desktop. There are probably better ways to construct this with autofsbut I'm not giving it too much thought I've also read where pam can be used for what you want -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: GNOME startup, -before- desktop
On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 12:17 PM, Ed Greshkoed.gres...@greshko.com wrote: One thing I forgot to mention I prefer to solve problems with standard tools than specialized scripts that need to be maintained. I totally agree. But the FAT32-user limitation is built into GNOME, so that's not going away. Besides, the script's two lines. Thanks to the guy who said check xinitrc.d! I'll give that a shot. For the curious, the per-user mount is a shared FAT32 partition, which contains Documents and Desktop folders for all users. It has to be remounted per-user to work well under GNOME. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: GNOME startup, -before- desktop
On 08/18/2009 01:18 PM, Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote: Jud Craft wrote: I would like to run a script at login, but before gnome-panel and nautilus-desktop are launched (after gnome-session is okay, of course). Is there a place in the login/startup process that I can do this? With Gnome's Startup Applications, a script is not guaranteed to be executed before the rest of the desktop. You can try putting it in .xsession or .Xclients in your home directory. Mikkel I did try but to no avail. Every page on Google from a gdm x session startup search claims that GDM does not execute the classic X user session scripts unless you specifically select Custom... as your session type rather than GNOME or KDE. And in that case, you are responsible for launching the window manager/desktop yourself. So X session scripts are a no-go. Just have to poke around some more, I guess. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: GNOME startup, -before- desktop
On 08/21/2009 12:22 AM, Jud Craft wrote: So X session scripts are a no-go. Just have to poke around some more, I guess. From the GNOME.org wiki: http://live.gnome.org/SessionManagement/NewGnomeSession Mentions the new startup paradigm, where you specify a phase (Initialization, WindowManager, Desktop, etc) for the application to be executed in. But priorities have not yet been implemented (can't control the order within the phase), and even setting my mounting script to Initialization doesn't make it work before Nautilus notices my XDG folders aren't there. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
GNOME startup, -before- desktop
I would like to run a script at login, but before gnome-panel and nautilus-desktop are launched (after gnome-session is okay, of course). Is there a place in the login/startup process that I can do this? With Gnome's Startup Applications, a script is not guaranteed to be executed before the rest of the desktop. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: GNOME startup, -before- desktop
It automatically mounts a drive that contains my Desktop directory. Hence, I need it to work before nautilus does. It specifically is a per-user mount, so I can't have it globally automount at computer startup. On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 11:41 AM, Mike Martinredt...@googlemail.com wrote: 2009/8/18 Jud Craft craft...@gmail.com: I would like to run a script at login, but before gnome-panel and nautilus-desktop are launched (after gnome-session is okay, of course). Is there a place in the login/startup process that I can do this? With Gnome's Startup Applications, a script is not guaranteed to be executed before the rest of the desktop. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines What is the script going to do and what is it dependent on? -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: firefox open containing folder
On 08/16/2009 09:28 AM, Aaron Konstam wrote: There is on may machine, as well as an option Open with other Application. This is in Gnome. Well darn. Are you sure? This is mine. Sorry for the attachment. I don't have a Open With tab for folders. On my machine (running GNOME but with some KDE stuff), Firefox's Open containing folder pulls up Konqueror. attachment: folder-properties.png-- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Updating methods
On 08/16/2009 09:51 AM, Garry T. Williams wrote: On Sunday 16 August 2009 00:15:59 Tim wrote: Windows users...hoping...doing the exact same thing over and over will generate a different result. That's insane. What really blows your mind is that sometimes, it -ACTUALLY DOES-. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: firefox open containing folder
On 08/16/2009 11:05 AM, Anne Wilson wrote: On Sunday 16 August 2009 14:38:56 Jud Craft wrote: On 08/16/2009 09:28 AM, Aaron Konstam wrote: There is on may machine, as well as an option Open with other Application. This is in Gnome. Well darn. Are you sure? This is mine. Sorry for the attachment. I don't have a Open With tab for folders. On my machine (running GNOME but with some KDE stuff), Firefox's Open containing folder pulls up Konqueror. That's from the folder Properties. The context menu is from right-clicking on the folder, and yes, under kde it does allow Open With, offering things like image-browsers, where you might seriously want it to open at folder level. But I have also tried GNOME's context-menu Open With..., and although it lets me choose between Dolphin/Konqueror/Nautilus, it does NOT change the default. Does the KDE context menu change the default? -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: firefox open containing folder
On 08/14/2009 06:45 AM, Tim wrote: On your desktop, or in a file browser, right-click on a folder, open the properties for it, and change the open-with preference to something more sensible. No can do. Under current F11 GNOME 2.26.3, when you open Properties on a Folder, there is no Open With... tab. There -is- the Open With context menu, but that doesn't let you change the default action for opening folders. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Applications Dock functionality (launcher, lister, switcher combined), no eye candy required?
All docks currently in existence require a composited screen. They all are designed to mimic the animation-heavy OS X dock. On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 9:16 AM, S P Arif Sahari Wibowoarifs...@yahoo.com wrote: Hi! I am looking for an application which can function as applications dock (combined functions of applications launcher, lister and switcher), similar to OS X dock, but I don't need the eye candy (transparency, 3d effect, icon enlargement, bouncing icon, etc.) (in fact, when I use OS X, I set its dock visual effect to minimum). I actually prefer low weight low resources application, something like WindowMaker's application dock (not its widget dock) but works well with other desktop environment (i.e. can do drag drop). It should also available in various distro, but specifically at present I need it to run in Fedora. I tried Docker, but when I run it nothing show up in the screen. I tried SimDock, but it has several issues (does not seems to show an application is running, has errors, does not work well with GNOME). I tried GNOME Do (to get its Docky) but it has error (Failed to contact configuration server) that I still debug. Avant WM and CairoDock seems to be too heavy weight (need composited screen). Any other suggestion? Thanks! -- (stephan paul) Arif Sahari Wibowo /___ /___/ /___/ /___ http://www.arifsaha.com/ / / / / / -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Applications Dock functionality (launcher, lister, switcher combined), no eye candy required?
I misspoke. WindowMaker's Dock indeed fulfills all your requirements. However, I thought you did not want WindowMaker. As for AWN dock, GNOME Do docky, they require compositing. Most of these OS X dock type applications all require a composited screen. However -- a quick google reveals that cairo-dock is an OS-X style dock that does not require compositing (even though it works very well with it). I have never tried cairo-dock, but I believe it is available in Fedora's software pool. I think it is comparable to AWN dock. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Who can tell me what does this mean?
This command looks like it will ask for your root password, and then it will install or update the VMWare Player package. On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 1:12 PM, Nathan Huangnathan.vorbei.t...@gmail.com wrote: Hi guys who can tell me what does this syntax mean? su -c 'rpm -Uvh /path to rpm/VMware-player-2.0.0-45731.i386.rpm' thanks nathan -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: From the top... how do I get sound working in F11 ?
You could try yum reinstalling PulseAudio. If you had tried a fresh install of F11 on a small side partition, you could figure out whether F11 sound is the problem or my upgrade was the problem, since Fedora upgrades seem to have bugs of their own quite often, and the Linux sound infrastructure did go through changes between F10 and F11; wouldn't surprise me to hear that a plain upgrade wouldn't work right. I'd try reinstalling PulseAudio. Then I'd try a clean install of Fedora. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: From the top... how do I get sound working in F11 ?
Considering your install wasn't a fresh one to begin with, and Fedora makes releases twice a year that don't always cleanly upgrade between each other, I think reinstalling isn't an unreasonable suggestion. But it was just my suggestion. You could always set aside a small partition and do a fresh install. That would at least confirm if F11 sound works at all on your machine. It's not a stab in the dark; it actually -rules- out possibilities that you need to consider, would tell you if getting F11 sound working at all is possible, and instead help you focus on how to repair your upgraded environment, or tell you immediately if it was futile. On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 6:05 PM, Linuxguy123linuxguy...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, 2009-07-14 at 17:21 -0500, Jud Craft wrote: You could try yum reinstalling PulseAudio. If you had tried a fresh install of F11 on a small side partition, you could figure out whether F11 sound is the problem or my upgrade was the problem, since Fedora upgrades seem to have bugs of their own quite often, and the Linux sound infrastructure did go through changes between F10 and F11; wouldn't surprise me to hear that a plain upgrade wouldn't work right. I'd try reinstalling PulseAudio. I've already tried that. It doesn't work. Then I'd try a clean install of Fedora. Don't ever suggest that re installing an operating system is the solution to a problem. It isn't. It would take me several days to re-install. Re installing is a stab in the dark at best. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Completely confused by VNC packaging in Fedora 10
The VNC packages in F11 actually use TigerVNC. TigerVNC is based on RealVNC, so they just dropped in the program and didn't change the names. There is no plain Tightvnc or Realvnc in F11 -- the TigerVNC package just uses the generic vncserver and vncviewer names. The VNC packaging is definitely confusing. Just search for the VNC packages and install them -- the descriptions won't mention TigerVNC or TightVNC either, but you'll know once you install them. There should be a TigerVNC Client under your Applications-Internet menu afterwards. On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 3:18 PM, Rick Stevensri...@nerd.com wrote: Arthur Pemberton wrote: First of all, I was looking for TightVNC, through the wiki I came here: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/TightVNC which redirects to https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/TigerVNC Neither of these are in Fedora 10. That page also talks about XVNC, which also is not in Fedora 10 as far as i can tell. I am looking for the server implementation with the best compression and the ability to share a session. Where do I go to from here? On F10: vnc-4.1.3-1.fc10.x86_64 vnc-libs-4.1.3-1.fc10.x86_64 vnc-server-4.1.3-1.fc10.x86_64 libvncserver-0.9.1-3.fc10.x86_64 All based on RealVNC, which has been, well, somewhat stagnant for a while as they seem to be devoting effort to their non-open version. TigerVNC (formerly TightVNC) is used in Fedora 11, I believe. At least it was planned to be used in F11. My F11 laptop is sitting in the car right now, so I can't verify. -- - Rick Stevens, Systems Engineer ri...@nerd.com - - AIM/Skype: therps2 ICQ: 22643734 Yahoo: origrps2 - - - - LOOK OUT!!! BEHIND YOU!!! - -- -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Fedora 11 UTF-8 and fonts (clearcase and citrix ICAClient, and maybe motif in general?)
Try posting this to the fedora-font list too. On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 10:55 AM, Andy Wangdope...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, I posted this on fedoraforum.org when I was testing the preview F11 and just did again to see if anyone using F11 release has any ideas, but I thought I'd try the mailing list as well: *** post from fedora forum *** The Citrix ICAClient and clearcase gui tools don't launch properly. I get the following: Warning: Name: FONTLIST_DEFAULT_TAG_STRING Class: XmRendition Conversion failed. Cannot load font. on the console in a nice steady stream. Citrix's wfica just fails to launch, and the wfcmgr is missing all fonts. Clearcase gui tools complains that it's unable to create a text drawing font set and the tools exit. I can workaround the problem two ways, one LANG=C instead of en_US.UTF-8 or removing the cjk fonts, specifically, the following two packages: cjkuni-uming-fonts-0.2.20080216.1-23.fc11.noarch cjkuni-fonts-common-0.2.20080216.1-23.fc11.noarch Any ideas on other solutions for this problem? *** end post from fedora forum *** Does anyone have any thoughts about this, the clearcase gui tools and ICAClient are the only two motif applications I have readily available to test (wish those would just move off motif, but I'm doubting that IBM will do anythign with clearcase anytime remotely soon). Just looking for general ideas on how to troubleshoot this. I don't understand font loading anymore, especially with the UTF-8 encoding stuff, so I don't know why LANG=C would actually allow this to work. Can anyone provide a short primer on how that works, or let me know what's a good tool to try to debug font loading and find out what fonts it either can't load, or can't find? Thanks, Andy -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: RFC: Kernel changes that may affect desktops
On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 11:19 AM, Matthew Garrettm...@redhat.com wrote: On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 05:48:44PM +0200, Kevin Kofler wrote: You have to tell us what we need to change in KDE and give us the necessary time to adapt, even if it means you have to wait for Fedora 13 to push this change. Hm. So, that bit about KDE not holding Gnome back wasn't entirely correct? I think you mean holding back Fedora. Obviously KDE is not holding back GNOME, or GNOME's development, or the GNOME Desktop Team from doing their work. Fedora's deployment of that work, however, is another matter. Does Fedora offer a variety of environments with a set of common features and infrastructure, or is it one functional desktop and one use at your own risk desktop? True question. I enjoy the new features in Fedora, like Bluetooth, PackageKit, and even Pulse occasionally. And I really like KDE, but I have cold shivers thinking that whether or not any of this stuff works under KDE is a crapshoot. KDE may not hold back GNOME. But it is perfectly logical to expect that KDE will hold back a Fedora feature release, if indeed A) that feature is not yet implemented in the desktop, and B) Fedora wishes to support KDE and GNOME together. Assuming that KDE features are given the same respect as GNOME features. If that doesn't hold, then no, KDE won't be holding back anybody. I suppose I'd be using KDE a little less under Fedora then. -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: RFC: Kernel changes that may affect desktops
Darn straight. I stand corrected. On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 3:06 PM, Adam Jacksona...@redhat.com wrote: On Tue, 2009-06-30 at 13:42 -0500, Jud Craft wrote: Fedora's deployment of that work, however, is another matter. Does Fedora offer a variety of environments with a set of common features and infrastructure, or is it one functional desktop and one use at your own risk desktop? Strictly, they're all use at your own risk. - ajax -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: How to enable xorg.conf in F-11
I think the Fedora release notes mention that if you run the tool system-config-display, it will automatically generate an xorg.conf for you. From the Common F11 Bugs, under Miscellaneous problems with Intel graphics adapters : https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Common_F11_bugs#intel-misc-gfx /etc/X11/xorg.conf. If that file does not exist, you can run system-config-display as root to create it. -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: This ought to have worked
Maybe Red Hat's site could do that cool video tag wrapping trick that uses HTML-video by default, then falls back to flash if not present? On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 3:07 AM, Richard Hugheshughsi...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 5:20 AM, Robert Wuestrwues...@wuest.org wrote: A new/inexperienced user is gonna have an unpleasant HUH? experience with it. If you're watching non-free codecs, you have to install the non-free repositories first. Richard. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Skype under Fedora-10
Besides the fact that Skype is closed source, I was under the impression that the idea of distributed voice transmission was an advantage. Shouldn't a ideal communication system have no single point of failure (or a country club of them, ala a group of ISP servers?) On Sun, Jun 7, 2009 at 7:51 PM, Timignored_mail...@yahoo.com.au wrote: There's no need for there to be abusing individuals as a server for all and sundry. And it'd be far better for everyone if ISPs ran a few more servers, like VOIP and instant messaging, which weren't client dependent. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Maintainer Responsibilities
On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 11:37 AM, Ralf Corsepius rc040...@freenet.de wrote: David Tardon wrote: Let me try another analogy: How do you handle health problems? You'll visit your doctor. You'll expect him to identify the problem and to take appropriate steps to solve your issue--that may well be just him sending you to a specialist. Would you expect your doctor to serve as a proxy between you and the specialist? Or even substitute you for checkup? I wouldn't. That, in fact...is...exactly how it works. There's too much knowledge. A general-specialized entity has to forward clients to a super-specialized entity for super-specialized service. You can't expect one entity (when the entity = human) to be able to do everything. Don't use that analogy. It doesn't help. In my opinion, you're all missing the big picture. And in my audacity, let me suggest it. 1. End-users should be able to seek out support when they need it. You all agree. 2. End-users should be expected to go to upstream with their issues. You are split. 3. Maintainers should be expected to go to upstream with end-user's issues. You are split. Support != upstream. It's a symptom of the fact that the open source community is where people who create goods often don't do top-down support of those goods to end-users, the final recipient. Here's the problem: You all agree that end-users should seek out support. The reason why they should go to upstream is split isn't because Seeking Support = Bad. Seeking Support = Good. You're split because Having Outsiders Navigate Two/Three Layers of Community Indirection = Bad. In terms of navigating the community, open-source is as bad as any bureaucracy. It says Let me forward you to X, when getting to X is appropriately daunting, and by the time you do you don't even know what to tell X. It's not who should do it, it's what do these users have to go through? That's your problem, so rephrasing it in terms of who should have to do the upstream contact? is not the problem. That's delegating everything to one entity. End-users, package maintainers, upstream. One has the user experience. One delivers the user experience. One creates the user experience. Sadly, 2 and 3 aren't the same person. There must be a system that can allow 1 and 3 to talk directly, easily, without worrying about any adverse factors that 2 might have stuck into the works. (It does no good for end-users to work with upstream on packages that upstream doesn't even understand). Until someone is a genius enough to come up with these ideas, you're always going to have problems. So for the here and now: 1. Assume the average end-user will be of no help -- he should be expected to seek support, but he cannot be expected to navigate the open source community. A few will, but to be super-effective the barrier to entry must be drastically lowered. 2. Maintainers must realize that de facto -- even though it isn't ideal -- they'll have to take on some burden of upstream contact. And accept it. (While being a little grumpy. That's probably okay.) 3. You need an easier way for users to file for issues. All necessary metadata information gathering (versions, kernel, package names) should be automatic. The system should be smart enough to do that. (It seems like Fedora is getting there with its new reporting tools and on-demand debug utility.) Let the end-user do the only thing he can: describe what went wrong in plain english in a text-box, and then don't burden him with anything else. -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: Skype under Fedora-10
Kevin seems to be distraught over the possibility that his friends might be able, through pressure, to force him into a choice of using a system he doesn't like, or not being in touch with people. Skype is a proprietary social service. The only pressure to use it is a social one, which isn't to be taken lightly. It's quite formidable. That social pressure is why he sees Skype as dangerous. You don't really have a free choice to reject proprietary software if pragmatism of any form (social, economical, political) forces your hand. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Skype under Fedora-10
Ekiga is an open-source voice chat solution. However, it does not use the Skype network. There is also Empathy, which supports voice chat and can do basic IM functions, like Pidgin. I have not used either of these, so consumer beware. I would give Empathy a shot first; Fedora and Ubuntu have considered replacing Pidgin with Empathy before (try googling ubuntu pidgin usability), whereas Ekiga seems to be more voice-only. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Skype under Fedora-10
On Mon, Jun 1, 2009 at 5:01 PM, Suvayu Ali fatkasuvayu+li...@gmail.com wrote: Contacts for Skype are stored on their servers. All you need to do is install skype and sign in with your userid and password to get your contacts. Perhaps they are talking about transferring contacts between Skype accounts, not merely a new system user who uses the same Skype account. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re-enable graphical boot in Fedora 11, switch between Plymouth themes
Hey there. Installed F11 preview, really like it. Intel 965GM graphics card, by the way. When I first set it up, I was delighted to find that plymouth and the new graphical boot splash, Compiz, and redirected direct rendering all work perfectly. I was very glad that at least for my card model, graphics are doing okay. However, I installed some system updates -- and a new kernel. For the heck of it, I also installed one or two other Plymouth themes, like the Solar theme. When I did, I no longer get the graphical boot on startup. Kernel modesetting still works, because even though I get the text-mode boot, it's a very sharp, high-res text mode boot. How can I get the graphical splashes back? When I ran grub with my old kernel, it used the graphical splash just fine. But when I compare the lines of the original kernel and the update kernel in grub.conf, they look exactly the same to me (with the rhgb and quiet options), so I'm not sure why I'm not getting the splash on my new kernel. And, by the by...how exactly do you switch between Plymouth themes when you have more than one installed? -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Re-enable graphical boot in Fedora 11, switch between Plymouth themes
That's awesome, thanks. So run those commands and that should do it. By doing a find / * | grep plymouth I found the plymouth README in /usr/share/doc/plymouth, and it also turned up a list of my themes in /usr/share/plymouth/themes. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Firefox 3 hogging 90% CPU, can anything be done about this?
I used to install both NoScript and Flashblock myself. The reason? Even when I trust a site, I still don't want it loading Flash whenever it wants. Bogs down my browsing. So even when I trust a site, Flashblock keeps the extra flash games and ads from running, unless I want it to. I eventually got rid of Flashblock -- I discovered NoScript has a disable automatic stuff even on trusted sites option, so I turn that on. It works similar to Flashblock -- flash is replaced by a clickable box, which I can use to enable the flash video. I do turn off the are you sure you want to run this flash video? message though. NoScript on its own works just fine, and does all I need it to. Very handy. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Showing how to find the net installation images?
No, I mean I know how to do a net installation. Just did one last night. But I wanted to point out that it's very difficult to find the net-installation-only image. That install guide doesn't actually mention where to find the minimal net install image. And for some, there's a huge difference between 128 MB and 800 MB CDs, or 4 GB DVDs. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Showing how to find the net installation images?
Ah. So they are. Whoops. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Showing how to find the net installation images?
Forgive me. You do not understand what I am saying. I know well that the 128MB boot.iso exists -- and in Fedora 10 it is called netinst.iso. My complaint is that I wish Fedora made it easy to _find it_. None of the posts so far, nor Fedora's website, have actually told me where to find the darn image. I have had to dig through the repositories on my own to find it, something that many people would prefer not to do. Meng's message told me how to do a net-install with the default DVD/CD images (not what I wanted), and pointed me to a page of the Installation Guide that tells me Oh, guess what? You can use the minimal boot image install! That's great, installation guide, duh. I want to know where to GET it. Neither chapter 4 nor 6 in the Installation Manual say where to get the minimal/network/boot.iso. I just think either the Guide or the Get Fedora page itself should explicitly mention where to find the network/minimal install image, that's all. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Showing how to find the net installation images?
I apologize for my sarcasm. It is frustrating when you feel misunderstood. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Showing how to find the net installation images?
Todd's idea was my general thought -- at least put it on the page with the big list of stuff. Mike wrote... That being said, it wasn't all that difficult to find... Your ease in finding it depends a lot on your familiarity with the structure. Consider that you had to realize which numbered version of Fedora you were looking for, the fact that it was a release rather than a core, the type of architecture. Choosing between the jidgo, torrent, iso folders. You can of course claim that anyone attempting a local/network install of Fedora with the minimal image should know all this stuff. Possibly true. But even someone familiar with linux may _not_ be familiar with how to access the Fedora mirrors, or assuming they find the mirror monitoring page, which mirror to choose -- they may in fact waste much time trying to find the official Fedora repo, when in fact there isn't such a one. So I plead convenience. Not all that difficult to find is subjective. Compare that to the ease with which I can grab the DVD from the Get Fedora page. Two clicks max once you enter fedoraproject.org. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Showing how to find the net installation images?
Hey there. I've been looking for the netinst.iso for Fedora 10. I can't find it anywhere on fedoraproject's download page, and there is no information on where to find it in either the Installation Guide or the Release notes. I did eventually manage to find it by picking a random mirror and mucking about through the folder structure until I found it, but why is this relatively useful image not mentioned along with all the other possible ones on the Get Fedora page? It would make locating it so much easier. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
