RE: OT:Tonya - killing ferals

2005-03-16 Thread Karolyn Lount
God Bless You for saving the dogs you could. Something a lot of people do not know is that when several stray dogs get together they become a "Pack" and often revert to behaving like a "Pack of Wild Dogs" and do become very dangerous. The ones that do join a pack as an adult can be fine as a pet wh

Re: OT:Tonya - killing ferals

2005-03-15 Thread Kerry MacKenzie
nya - killing ferals Thanks, but I'm certainly no hero.  I do think if I'd had someone to video the fool (me) running from the pack of dogs I could make a lot of money. lol. Sometimes I'd just throw the bag of food out the window, but I was trying to 'tame' them, so

RE: OT:Tonya - killing ferals

2005-03-15 Thread catatonya
ch 14, 2005 4:10 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: OT:Tonya - killing ferals   I just think we're talking about different situations.  My Mamma Kitty I brought home from North Carolina last winter was living with a feral colony.  The colony lives in the woods behind my sister's nei

RE: OT:Tonya - killing ferals

2005-03-15 Thread catatonya
Thanks, but I'm certainly no hero.  I do think if I'd had someone to video the fool (me) running from the pack of dogs I could make a lot of money. lol. Sometimes I'd just throw the bag of food out the window, but I was trying to 'tame' them, so usually I'd try to approach them when there would onl

RE: OT:Tonya - killing ferals

2005-03-15 Thread tamara stickler
ive vibes that you find Squeekie, and you find her soon~~Kerry -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hideyo YamamotoSent: Monday, March 14, 2005 2:43 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: RE: OT:Tonya - killing ferals I have to definitely agree with

Re: OT:Tonya - killing ferals

2005-03-15 Thread Lernermichelle
I agree with all you have said, Hideyo.  Michelle

RE: OT:Tonya - killing ferals

2005-03-15 Thread Hideyo Yamamoto
: OT:Tonya - killing ferals   I just think we're talking about different situations.  My Mamma Kitty I brought home from North Carolina last winter was living with a feral colony.  The colony lives in the woods behind my sister's neighborhood.  She feeds them, and we try to trap and spay w

RE: OT:Tonya - killing ferals

2005-03-15 Thread MacKenzie, Kerry N.
the word applied to these days). More power to you. Kerry -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nina Sent: Monday, March 14, 2005 4:45 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: OT:Tonya - killing ferals I'm sorry; one more thing that occ

RE: OT:Tonya - killing ferals

2005-03-15 Thread MacKenzie, Kerry N.
lf Of catatonyaSent: Monday, March 14, 2005 5:10 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: OT:Tonya - killing ferals I just think we're talking about different situations.  My Mamma Kitty I brought home from North Carolina last winter was living with a feral colony.  The colony lives in the woods

Re: OT:Tonya - killing ferals

2005-03-14 Thread Nina
, and making this > momentous and /irreversible decision on the part of another > living and helpless creature./ > So, we have absolutely no business taking the perfectly > content lives of animals into our own hands because of what/ > may/ happen to them in the future. >

Re: OT:Tonya - killing ferals

2005-03-14 Thread catatonya
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>/* wrote:>> I agree with Nina.> I think it's conflicting and difficult enough to make a> decision to euthanize when an animal is terminally ill and> suffering---one is torn between desperately not wanting the> animal in our care to suffer any more, an

Re: OT:Tonya - killing ferals

2005-03-14 Thread Nina
the future. Re PETA, I am very disappointed in that organization--it seems to have become confused in its old age. PETA will not be getting $$$ from me. Kerry -Original Message- *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Beha

Re: OT:Tonya - killing ferals

2005-03-14 Thread Nina
PETA will not be getting $$$ from me. Kerry -Original Message- *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Nina *Sent:* Monday, March 14, 2005 11:59 AM *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Subject:* Re: OT:Tonya - kill

Re: OT:Tonya - killing ferals

2005-03-14 Thread Nina
TED]] On Behalf Of tamara stickler Sent: Monday, March 14, 2005 2:08 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: OT:Tonya - killing ferals   God bless ya Hideyo...I'll keep  you both in my prayers!  (Tip: Squeekie might be extremely cautious of closed in spaces and be very hard to

Re: OT:Tonya - killing ferals

2005-03-14 Thread Lernermichelle
Drawing the line and deciding not to get involved is one thing. Drawing the line and deciding to kill them all is quite another. In my paid work, I am a lawyer who represents desperately poor women and children in things like denials of access to emergency shelter, food stamps, and subsistence

RE: OT:Tonya - killing ferals

2005-03-14 Thread Cherie A Gabbert
I am not going to get too involved in this discussion, but my two cents are, I have to agree with Nina and Kerry. Some places CAN be worse than death for animals or children, do you see us killing children The two groups we (as adults) need to stand up for and care for are children and animals,

RE: OT:Tonya - killing ferals

2005-03-14 Thread catatonya
Thank you Tamara,   I know everyone won't agree on this.  I've worked with ferals, and I've done spay releases, and I've seen situations that were so bad nothing else could be done   I fed a PACK of nearly 20 feral dogs for 2 years, trying to make some progress.  These dogs were so wild they wo

RE: OT:Tonya - killing ferals

2005-03-14 Thread Hideyo Yamamoto
@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: OT:Tonya - killing ferals   God bless ya Hideyo...I'll keep  you both in my prayers!  (Tip: Squeekie might be extremely cautious of closed in spaces and be very hard to trap now.  Try, if you can, a small dog crate...pref. black bars...put grass or leav

RE: OT:Tonya - killing ferals

2005-03-14 Thread Hideyo Yamamoto
Subject: RE: OT:Tonya - killing ferals   Ok, I'm going to play devil's advocate:   I have been active in the animal rescue field for most of my life.  I have walked into alleyways in crack neighborhoods, by myself, to feed ferals and do rescues.  I have spent more money than

RE: OT:Tonya - killing ferals

2005-03-14 Thread tamara stickler
nd Squeekie, and you find her soon~~Kerry -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hideyo YamamotoSent: Monday, March 14, 2005 2:43 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: RE: OT:Tonya - killing ferals I have to definitely agree with Nina. We, humans are the

Re: OT:Tonya - killing ferals

2005-03-14 Thread tamara stickler
fectly content> lives of animals into our own hands because of what/ may/ happen> to them in the future. > Re PETA, I am very disappointed in that organization--it seems> to have become confused in its old age.> PETA will not be getting $$$ from me.> Kerry> -Original Message---

RE: OT:Tonya - killing ferals

2005-03-14 Thread MacKenzie, Kerry N.
EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hideyo YamamotoSent: Monday, March 14, 2005 2:43 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: RE: OT:Tonya - killing ferals I have to definitely agree with Nina. We, humans are the most powerful creature on earth, and can be the most egotistical and arrogant one,

RE: OT:Tonya - killing ferals

2005-03-14 Thread Hideyo Yamamoto
good energy and prayers!   Thank you!   Hideyo   -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nina Sent: Monday, March 14, 2005 10:59 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: OT:Tonya - killing ferals   Tonya, I can't believe you

RE: OT:Tonya - killing ferals

2005-03-14 Thread tamara stickler
Cherie, You are ABSOLUTELY right...I believe as you do that animals are as precious as children, but unfortunately in this society...there exists the "destory if they are inconvienant" rule for bothFor humans, -children: (in the forms of abortion and the juvenial death penalty), the later of wh

RE: OT:Tonya - killing ferals

2005-03-14 Thread MacKenzie, Kerry N.
he beginning of this thread? Thanks for all that you--and everyone on this list--do. Kerry   -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of tamara sticklerSent: Monday, March 14, 2005 1:02 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: RE: OT:Tonya - killing

Re: OT:Tonya - killing ferals

2005-03-14 Thread Nina
ed in its old age. PETA will not be getting $$$ from me. Kerry -Original Message- *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Nina *Sent:* Monday, March 14, 2005 11:59 AM *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Subject:* Re: OT:Tonya - killing

RE: OT:Tonya - killing ferals

2005-03-14 Thread tamara stickler
Ok, I'm going to play devil's advocate:   I have been active in the animal rescue field for most of my life.  I have walked into alleyways in crack neighborhoods, by myself, to feed ferals and do rescues.  I have spent more money than any "sane" person should on strays, and even have driven across

RE: OT:Tonya - killing ferals

2005-03-14 Thread MacKenzie, Kerry N.
Title: Message I agree with Nina. I think it's conflicting and difficult enough to make a decision to euthanize when an animal is terminally ill and suffering---one is torn between desperately not wanting the animal in our care to suffer any more, and making this momentous and irreversible

Re: OT:Tonya - killing ferals

2005-03-14 Thread Nina
Tonya, I can't believe you would advocate killing ferals as a way to help their plight!  Yes, their life is dangerous and they do sometimes suffer, but that doesn't mean they should be put to death.  We humans are so conditioned to our relative safety that we sometimes forget how hard life can