date:20050330

Title: Message

Dear
Julie
I'm
sending zillions of positive vibes and cyberhugs for Brownie---what a brave
kitty he is.
I can
well understand your distress and anger andI'm glad you seem to have found
a good and sympathetic ophthalmologist.
Good
luck this afternoon--I'll be thinking of you both.
love
hugs to you and Brownie,Kerry

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On Behalf Of Julie JohnsonSent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 8:19
AMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Brownie needs
good thoughts
Dear Friends,

I've written in the past about Brownie, my FIV+, blind and deaf cat.
When he came to me after TNR (obviously he could not be released) he had been
vetted and I was told about his disabilities. I assumed (NEVER again) that
his eyes had been examined and that nothing could be done for him, but sort of
had it in the back of my mind to take him to the veterinary opthamologist who I
took Paulie to for a specialty opinion. He seems wonderfully happy,
has gained lots of weight, lays in his poofy bed purring like he's in heaven, so
other things kept coming up and I just never did it.

About 10 days ago I was looking into some feline eye diseases because
Trixie has an eye infection that I can't clear up; I suspected entropion (which
she in fact does have). I saw a photo of a kitty with a hideously enlared
eyeball and the caption said it was glaucoma and that it's extremely painful in
cats.

It looked just like Brownie's eye, so off to my vet we went (along with
Trixie, to have the entropion checked, and she does have it, though a mild case
we will try to treat with steroid drops before we do any surgery). Brownie
does in fact have glaucoma in that eye and has a prolapsed lens in the other
eye. I can't even describe how sick and furious I am. I immediately
called my friend Joan and had her check his chart (I adopted him from her
organization) and there is nothing on it recommending any follow-up or other
treatment for his eyes; not even a diagnosis other than "blind". We both
assumedshe's dealing with the vets who seeminly chose to ignore the
condition of his eyes (hey, he's old, he's FIV+, deaf, blind, skin and
bonesso what, don't treat him?) and I am taking him to a veterinary
opthamologist in Rhode Island this afternoon.It's possible that both his
eyes will need to be removed, but we won't know until she examines him! .
She sounded great on the phone so I am hopeful that we'll get a good
diagnosis. I just want him to be pain-free. He doesn't show signs of
pain, but we all know how good kitties are at hiding it.

So, if you could all keep Brownie in your thoughts, I'd be so
appreciative.

Love, Julie "I hold that, the more helpless a creature, the
more entitled it isto protection by man from the cruelty of man. "
"The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by
the way its animals are treated."Mohandas Gandhi
(1869-1948)Paws Come WITH Claws!!!If you're thinking about
de-clawing your cat, you need to re-think your decision to acquire a pet.
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Re: Find the Pit Bull--problems w/ legislating

2005-03-30 Thread Rachel

Just another comment on this problem.
People don't know how to properly watch or restrain their kids!!!
My husky-mix is wonderful with children - Thank God! I had her out one day and faster than I could blink there was a pack of 4 or 5 small children hugging  petting my dog. Sunny loved it but as I glared at the parents I told the children that if they don't know a dog they should ask the owner if it is OK for them to pet the dog before coming up to it.
It is because of irresponsible parents that I cannot take my other dog - Nicholas - into situations where he might encounter children. He's not crazy about them and I don not want to risk him scaring a child by growling or snapping at them.
Melbeach [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:




 Dogs have their own body language that makes it quite clear, BEFORE biting is EVER an option that tells another dog or a person, "Hey, man, I'm not too keen on you being so close to me." We do dogs a huge diservice by not recognizing their subtle cues and we do our children an even worse diservice by not teaching them how to properly approach a strange dog.

So we all need to take classes to learn dog body language, just in case someone's pitbull gets loose?

 I'm willing to bet that many of the victims of these attacks were children who were never around the dogs on a consistant basis.

Exactly. Again, the big difference here is the ability to kill. It's very rare to hear about other breeds actually killing someone. Every damn time it's a pitbull or similar. There's simply no way to justify breeding or purchasing one of these animals.

Benefit = the joy of owning a good pet. Probably nobody gets killed.Pretty high benefit, I agree.
Cost = potential death for poor shmuck that doesn't know dog body language. Off the charts cost. Completely voids any benefit.

 See, the problem with trying to legislate based on breed (ie. special licensing, expensive insurance, etc.) is that the crappy owners, the owners who breed their dogs to fight, aren't exactly the kind of people who are considered "law-abiding citizens," see what I mean?

That's the same excuse people use for keeping handguns legal. You gotta start somewhere don't you? I agree it's not a simple issue. I'm sure there's plenty of factors that would make legislation unworkable anyway. I just really believe that anyone buying or breeding a pit is contributing to the industry and adding to the problem.

-Kyle


- Original Message - 
From: Jen Meyer 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 9:30 AM
Subject: RE: Find the Pit Bull--problems w/ legislating

Obviously, these owners (whose dogs attack)who claim their dogs are the sweetest things ever aren't telling the whole truth... ;) My guess is that they knew very well their dogs' tendencies, but are they going to admit that to the media? Unfortunately, no. What these dogs need (and what every dogs needs, regardless of breed) are responsible owners well versed in "Doggie Behavior 101." I'm 100% confident that dogs don't just suddenly "snap." Dogs have their own body language that makes it quite clear, BEFORE biting is EVER an option that tells another dog or a person, "Hey, man, I'm not too keen on you being so close to me." We do dogs a huge diservice by not recognizing their subtle cues and we do our children an even worse diservice by not teaching them how to properly approach a strange dog. I'm willing to bet that many of the victims of these attacks were
 children who were never around the dogs on a consistant basis.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not defending aggressive behavior, only responsible ownership! Socialize your dogs!! :) Legislation is such an "iffy" endeavor...Unfortunately, dogs are still considered "property" in the state of Texas...but what happens one day when pets are no longer considered "property of their owners?" We can't tell the parents of the child who kills another child that they can no longer have children...what do we do? See, the problem with trying to legislate based on breed (ie. special licensing, expensive insurance, etc.) is that the crappy owners, the owners who breed their dogs to fight, aren't exactly the kind of people who are considered "law-abiding citizens," see what I mean? It will be the responsible owners who will unfairly be punished this kind of legislation and vicious dogs will STILL be bred in spite of the law. I just don't see how it's
 going to work... :(




-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of MelbeachSent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 7:24 AMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: Find the Pit Bull [Interesting and Scary]
Wow, I can't believe how many of you cat folk are pit bull fans. You guys obviously don't live in Florida. It seems likeevery week there's a new story here about a pit bull mauling someone to death. And every time it's the same exact story. "My dog is the sweetest dog. She's great with the kids." Then one day... Problem is, these

RE: Find the Pit Bull--problems w/ legislating

2005-03-30 Thread Chris









You are absolutely right and
unfortunately, those same unthinking parents are the very ones who would sue
you in two seconds if your dog did anything!





Chris

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From:
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Rachel
Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005
10:19 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: Find the Pit
Bull--problems w/ legislating





Just another comment on this problem.





People don't know how to properly watch or restrain
their kids!!!





My husky-mix is wonderful with children - Thank
God! I had her out one day and faster than I could blink there was a pack
of 4 or 5 small children hugging  petting my dog. Sunny loved it but
as I glared at the parents I told the children that if they don't know a dog
they should ask the owner if it is OK for them to pet the dog before coming up
to it.





It is because of irresponsible parents that I cannot
take my other dog - Nicholas - into situations where he might encounter
children. He's not crazy about them and I don not want to risk him
scaring a child by growling or snapping at them.







Melbeach [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:







 Dogs have their own body language that makes it quite
clear, BEFORE biting is EVER an option that tells another dog or a person,
Hey, man, I'm not too keen on you being so close to me. We do
dogs a huge diservice by not recognizing their subtle cues and we do our
children an even worse diservice by not teaching them how to properly approach
a strange dog.











So we all need to take
classes to learn dog body language, just in case someone's pitbull gets loose?











 I'm willing to bet
that many of the victims of these attacks were children who were never around
the dogs on a consistant basis.











Exactly. Again, the big
difference here is the ability to kill. It's very rare to hear about other
breeds actually killing someone. Every damn time it's a pitbull or similar.
There's simply no way to justify breeding or purchasing one of these animals.











Benefit = the joy of
owning a good pet. Probably nobody gets killed.Pretty high benefit, I
agree.





Cost = potential death
for poor shmuck that doesn't know dog body language. Off the charts cost.
Completely voids any benefit.











 See, the problem
with trying to legislate based on breed (ie. special licensing, expensive
insurance, etc.) is that the crappy owners, the owners who breed their dogs to
fight, aren't exactly the kind of people who are considered law-abiding
citizens, see what I mean?











That's the same excuse
people use for keeping handguns legal. You gotta start somewhere don't
you? I agree it's not a simple issue. I'm sure there's plenty of factors that
would make legislation unworkable anyway. I just really believe that anyone
buying or breeding a pit is contributing to the industry and adding to the
problem.











-Kyle













- Original Message - 





From: Jen Meyer






To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org






Sent: Wednesday,
March 30, 2005 9:30 AM





Subject: RE: Find
the Pit Bull--problems w/ legislating











Obviously, these owners
(whose dogs attack)who claim their dogs are the sweetest things ever
aren't telling the whole truth... ;) My guess is that they knew very well
their dogs' tendencies, but are they going to admit that to the media?
Unfortunately, no. What these dogs need (and what every dogs needs,
regardless of breed) are responsible owners well versed in Doggie
Behavior 101. I'm 100% confident that dogs don't just suddenly
snap. Dogs have their own body language that makes it quite
clear, BEFORE biting is EVER an option that tells another dog or a person,
Hey, man, I'm not too keen on you being so close to me. We do
dogs a huge diservice by not recognizing their subtle cues and we do our
children an even worse diservice by not teaching them how to properly approach
a strange dog. I'm willing to bet that many of the victims of these
attacks were children who were never around the dogs on a consistant basis.











Don't get me wrong, I'm
not defending aggressive behavior, only responsible ownership! Socialize
your dogs!! :) Legislation is such an iffy
endeavor...Unfortunately, dogs are still considered property in the
state of Texas...but what happens one day when pets are no longer considered
property of their owners? We can't tell the parents of the
child who kills another child that they can no longer have children...what do
we do? See, the problem with trying to legislate based on breed (ie.
special licensing, expensive insurance, etc.) is that the crappy owners, the
owners who breed their dogs to fight, aren't exactly the kind of people who are
considered law-abiding citizens, see what I mean? It will be
the responsible owners who will unfairly be punished this kind of legislation
and vicious dogs will STILL be bred in spite of the law. I just don't see
how it's going to work... :(

Re: OT: Mysterious condition

2005-03-30 Thread Gloria B. Lane

How about flea allergy? Also, have you tried changing his diet?
At 10:50 AM 3/30/2005, you wrote:
Hi, list, I need your advice 
I have a boy kitty, OB who is about 10 years old, and I rescued him a 
couple of years ago.  For the past couple of months, I noticed that he has 
been losing weights (especially hind legs area) also his hair coat was 
getting really thin the bottom half of his body  I did first not worry 
about it, he has a really good appetite  but all of sudden, I realized 
that he could have hyperthyroid due to the symptoms I see in him (drink 
lots of water, too), and also could be kidney problem or 
diabetes.  Anyway, I took him to the vet (he also had an ear infection  
really stinky in his left ear) and did the blood work  and it all came 
back very normal including T3 and T4 test, and liver and kidney functions 
are also fine.  I asked about if caner is a possibility  she says it is, 
but do have to do an X-ray to see 

But very mysterious  he acts fine  but I am very concerned about him 
losing weight and hair  any idea or insight on his condition?

RE: OT: Mysterious condition

Nope and nope. (I don't think I see flea at all)

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gloria B. Lane
Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 10:00 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: OT: Mysterious condition

How about flea allergy? Also, have you tried changing his diet?

At 10:50 AM 3/30/2005, you wrote:
Hi, list, I need your advice -
I have a boy kitty, OB who is about 10 years old, and I rescued him a 
couple of years ago.  For the past couple of months, I noticed that he
has 
been losing weights (especially hind legs area) also his hair coat was 
getting really thin the bottom half of his body - I did first not worry

about it, he has a really good appetite - but all of sudden, I realized

that he could have hyperthyroid due to the symptoms I see in him (drink

lots of water, too), and also could be kidney problem or 
diabetes.  Anyway, I took him to the vet (he also had an ear infection
- 
really stinky in his left ear) and did the blood work - and it all came

back very normal including T3 and T4 test, and liver and kidney
functions 
are also fine.  I asked about if caner is a possibility - she says it
is, 
but do have to do an X-ray to see -

But very mysterious - he acts fine - but I am very concerned about him 
losing weight and hair - any idea or insight on his condition?

Re: Find the Pit Bull--problems w/ legislating





I've often wished for some sort of special licensing legislation that
would help regulate the breeding of "aggressive" breeds. It breaks my
heart that everyday dogs are brutalized and destroyed simply for being
who they were genetically designed to be. You are absolutely right,
the type of people that would abide by this legislation are the ones
that we probably wouldn't have to protect dogs and society from.
However, if such laws were in effect, it would be possible to crack
down on back yard breeders who at best indiscriminately foster
aggressive tendencies, or at worse purposely seek them. Along with
licensing fees, I would have some sort of educational
program in place that would assure that these breeders knew exactly
what they were getting into. And what the heck, while I'm dreaming,
that each dog sold as "pet quality" (not for breeding purposes), would
be spayed or neutered. If there were some sort of reprisal for this
stupidity and cruelty, we would have legal support and recourse,
(instead of reason and an attempt at individual enlightenment). It
would be wonderful to have a phone number to call to make sure a
breeder was sanctioned. Animals as property works against us in so
many ways, wouldn't it be nice to have it work for us for a change?
Nina

Jen Meyer wrote:

  
  Message
  
  
  Obviously, these owners (whose dogs
attack)who claim their dogs are the sweetest things ever aren't
telling the whole truth... ;) My guess is that they knew very well
their dogs' tendencies, but are they going to admit that to the media?
Unfortunately, no. What these dogs need (and what every dogs needs,
regardless of breed) are responsible owners well versed in "Doggie
Behavior 101." I'm 100% confident that dogs don't just suddenly
"snap." Dogs have their own body language that makes it quite clear,
BEFORE biting is EVER an option that tells another dog or a person,
"Hey, man, I'm not too keen on you being so close to me." We do dogs a
huge diservice by not recognizing their subtle cues and we do our
children an even worse diservice by not teaching them how to properly
approach a strange dog. I'm willing to bet that many of the victims of
these attacks were children who were never around the dogs on a
consistant basis.
  
  Don't get me wrong, I'm not defending
aggressive behavior, only responsible ownership! Socialize your
dogs!! :) Legislation is such an "iffy" endeavor...Unfortunately,
dogs are still considered "property" in the state of Texas...but what
happens one day when pets are no longer considered "property of their
owners?" We can't tell the parents of the child who kills another
child that they can no longer have children...what do we do? See, the
problem with trying to legislate based on breed (ie. special licensing,
expensive insurance, etc.) is that the crappy owners, the owners who
breed their dogs to fight, aren't exactly the kind of people who are
considered "law-abiding citizens," see what I mean? It will be the
responsible owners who will unfairly be punished this kind of
legislation and vicious dogs will STILL be bred in spite of the law. I
just don't see how it's going to work... :(
  
  
  
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Melbeach
Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 7:24 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: Find the Pit Bull [Interesting and Scary]


Wow, I can't believe how many of
you cat folk are pit bull fans. You guys obviously don't live in
Florida. It seems likeevery week there's a new story here about a pit
bull mauling someone to death. And every time it's the same exact
story. "My dog is the sweetest dog. She's great with the kids." Then
one day... Problem is, these breeds were originally bred to kill. It's
in their genes and it's well documented that they can snap at any
moment. It's like having a loaded gun sitting around the house. Sure it
might protect me, but...

Now euthinizing dogs based on
breed, that's a different story. I could never defend that. These dogs
can't help who they are. But if you have children and you're mixing
them with a breed that's known to kill, that borders on child abuse
IMO. I don't care how sweet the dog is today. And sure a lab or
schnoodel can snap also. But if a lab bites me, it's not a death
sentence. Bottom line is there are plenty of other breeds out there you
can choose from. If you have kids, there's absolutely no way you can
justify buying a pit bull or similar breed.The possible cost (death of
a child) far outweighs any benefit.

IMO, owning any breed of animal
that's easily capable of killing somebody should require a special,
extremely expensivelicense. To get the license, you would need to
complete many hours of education on how to keep said animal from
killing someone. Maybe that would slow down the breeding of such
animals. That's the real problem.Just my opinion of course. Like I
said, here in Florida things are

RE: OT: Mysterious condition

Nina, please never worry about me taking offense of your advise - I know
exactly where you are coming - it breaks my heart to see Ginger alone
with no friend, too. 

I just got a message from my holistic vet and he said that he has
something I can try for OB homeopathically - I hope he will get better.

Hideyo

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nina
Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 11:24 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: OT: Mysterious condition

Hey Hideyo,
First of all, I hope you didn't take offense at my rant about 
mixing/isolation. It's an emotional subject for me, (list members are 
probably asking, and what isn't an emotional subject for Nina?). I know 
that you have a very different situation at your house, and that you 
love each and every one of your babies and do everything in your power 
to ensure they have the best life possible.

I have an old-man feral that was displaying similar symptoms as OB. His 
condition was deteriorating rapidly and I sadly suspected his days were 
numbered. I thought his teeth might be giving him problems with the 
kibble I feed the ferals, so I put him on a high quality canned and 
crossed my fingers. He bounced back after only a couple of weeks on the 
better diet and is looking quite spry now. I know it wasn't his teeth, 
because I've seen him grazing on the kibble since his recovery. I hope 
the solution for OB is something as simple as a diet change.
Nina

Hideyo Yamamoto wrote:

 Hi, list, I need your advice -

 I have a boy kitty, OB who is about 10 years old, and I rescued him a 
 couple of years ago. For the past couple of months, I noticed that he 
 has been losing weights (especially hind legs area) also his hair coat

 was getting really thin the bottom half of his body - I did first not 
 worry about it, he has a really good appetite - but all of sudden, I 
 realized that he could have hyperthyroid due to the symptoms I see in 
 him (drink lots of water, too), and also could be kidney problem or 
 diabetes. Anyway, I took him to the vet (he also had an ear infection 
 - really stinky in his left ear) and did the blood work - and it all 
 came back very normal including T3 and T4 test, and liver and kidney 
 functions are also fine. I asked about if caner is a possibility - she

 says it is, but do have to do an X-ray to see -

 But very mysterious - he acts fine - but I am very concerned about him

 losing weight and hair - any idea or insight on his condition?

RE: Mysterious condition

Title: Message



Hideyo, I'm sorry to be of no help as Idon't know what OB 
could have as you've ruled out hyperthyroid but I hope you succeed in finding 
out - or he gets better, in any case. He's a lucky little fellow to have you 
looking out for him. Sending out positive vibes for a fast diagnosis and cure 
for OB, love  hugs, Kerry

-Original Message-From: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
On Behalf Of Hideyo YamamotoSent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 
10:50 AMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: OT: 
Mysterious condition

Hi, list, I 
need your advice  
I have a boy kitty, 
OB who is 
about 10 years old, and I rescued him a couple of years ago. For the past couple of months, I noticed 
that he has been losing weights (especially hind legs area) also his hair coat 
was getting really thin the bottom half of his body  I did first not worry 
about it, he has a really good appetite  but all of sudden, I realized that he 
could have hyperthyroid due to the symptoms I see in him (drink lots of water, 
too), and also could be kidney problem or diabetes. Anyway, I took him to the vet (he also 
had an ear infection  really stinky in his left ear) and did the blood work  
and it all came back very normal including T3 and T4 test, and liver and kidney 
functions are also fine. I asked 
about if caner is a possibility  she says it is, but do have to do an X-ray to 
see 

But very mysterious  he acts fine  
but I am very concerned about him losing weight and hair  any idea or insight 
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For Sue RE: for Kathleen-- I'm new and green.I've rescued and am caring forDeirdre (FELV+)

Hi Sue
Re your vet's assessment of Iams, I honestly don't think fine is good
enough -- and especially for FeLV kitties with their severely
compromised immune systems. And no disrespect to your vet, but many
vets--including my own--have never led me to believe they know or care
that much about nutrition for healthy cats never mind FELV cats. (I'd
say the same for a lot of doctors re human nutrition.) 
Iams dry has e.g. chicken by-products, ie, all the chicken parts that
human carnivores would not wish to eat, and corn filler and cellulose,
and since the labels don't say no artificial preservatives, flavors or
colors I have to presume it has those too. I used to feed my cats dry
Iams out of ignorance -- I didn't know there was a whole bunch of
better-quality brands out there. The Wellness dry that I now buy
specifically states on the package a list of things they do not use, and
the list includes meat by-products, corn, cellulose, and artificial
preservatives, flavors or colors. 
Kerry


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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sue Feldbusch
Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2005 9:15 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: RE: for Kathleen-- I'm new and green.I've rescued and am caring
forDeirdre (FELV+)


I use IAMS hard food and my vet said it's fine for felv+ kitty's.

From: MacKenzie, Kerry N. [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: for Kathleen-- I'm new and green.I've rescued and am caring 
forDeirdre (FELV+)
Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 15:00:32 -0600

Hi Kathleen
I'm sorry I haven't been able to reply to your email till now---welcome
to the group, though I'm very sorry for the reason you've had to find
us.
You won't find a more informed, supportive, caring, wonderful bunch of
people than this one. They've been a total godsend for me!
It's always a shock to discover a kitty has felv. I'm glad Deirdre has
such a caring mom.
I discovered in December 2003 that 5 of the 6 rescue kitties I took in
were felv positive.
I had to go on a crash course, so to speak, in dealing with FeLV cats
and I found that their diet (not surprisingly) is SO important. My most
precious references are this wonderful group and Anitra Frazier's The
Natural Cat Book.
Here's a copy of what I've sent out in the past with the salient
points:

~~Give only filtered water.
~~Feed only high grade/human grade pet food. That is NOT Iams or
Science
diet-type, which has nasty by-products, and which I now know, by no
means represents the gold standard in pet food, but the much higher
quality brands without by-products, additives or preservatives, eg
Wellness, Innova, Petguard, that you find in the independent pet stores
(you won't find these high-quality foods in the Petco/Petsmart chains).
I give mine Petguard wet food (from Wholefoods) and Wellness wet and
dry
food morning and evening.
~~Add these supplements morning and evening to Deirdre's wet food, to
boost her immune system:  a 500mg L-Lysin pill (grind first), easily
available from pharmacies/healthfood stores, 1/4 tsp feline enzymes, 1
teaspoon of 'Vita-Mineral Mix'  (I'll send you the details separately).
Also, gradually, as I was able to obtain them (not difficult as it
turned out, everything is available in health food stores or Internet)
I
added most of the remainder of the supplements Frazier recommends:
CoQ10, bioplasma, olive oil, cod liver oil and alfalfa (I'll send you
details re amounts). And I give them interferon. Got it thru Walgreen's
(eventually) on my vet's prescription, and he made it up for me.
You will get tons more advice and help from others on the list!
Good luck, Kathleen, and a big hug for Deirdre---she's such a lucky
kitty to have found you! Kerry

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kathy Gittel
Sent: Monday, March 07, 2005 3:02 PM
To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: I'm new and green.I've rescued and am caring for Deirdre
(FELV+)


I'd be grateful for any and all suggestions you have for diet,
vitamins, and care for Deirdre. I fed her outside and created a
shelter for her in my shed for 1 year when she first appeared under my
evergreen tree eating birdseed. She was about 6 months old then. I
trapped her this January 1st and had her spayed, de-flead, de-wormed
and got her all her shots. She was feral. During the last 3 weeks, she
finally began
to get friendly and is now a total mush melon. I love her. She has
taken up residence in my living room, because I must isolate her from
my other 6 cats to keep them free of FELV.

She has 2 windows, lots of toys, a couch, a special bed and she eats
Fancy Feast wet food and Adult Nutro dried food. I spend at least a
third of my time home with her.
She's extremely spunky, loving and playful. I'd like
to keep her that way for as long as possible. I'd appreciate any and
all suggestions you might have for me.

Thank You
  Kathleen Gittel



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OT: Re: Find the Pit Bull--problems w/ legislating

2005-03-30 Thread BONNIE J KALMBACH

The kinds of aggressive dogs some people like to own, sometimes to 
shore up their own self-esteem, change with the years. I remember when 
it was the Doberman Pinscher, before that it may have been the German 
Shepherd, now it's the Rottweiler and the pit-bull.

There a street corner here where punk kids like to hang out; some 
have pit-bulls - usually there they're out there for for hours with no 
water for the (usually un-neutered) dogs. I stopped to pet a sweet-
looking one with a fierce looking spiked collar on. The dog was really 
sweet. The kid angrily jerked the dog back and muttered something about 
it being dangerous. Yeah sure, I thought, he just didn't want 
his fierce dog to be seen enjoying being petted by a middle-aged 
lady. 

Bonnie in WI

- Original Message -
From: Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 11:49 am
Subject: Re: Find the Pit Bull--problems w/ legislating

 I've often wished for some sort of special licensing legislation 
 that 
 would help regulate the breeding of  aggressive breeds.  It 
 breaks my 
 heart that everyday dogs are brutalized and destroyed simply for 
 being 
 who they were genetically designed to be.  You are absolutely 
 right, the 
 type of people that would abide by this legislation are the ones 
 that we 
 probably wouldn't have to protect dogs and society from.  However, 
 if 
 such laws were in effect, it would be possible to crack down on 
 back 
 yard breeders who at best indiscriminately foster aggressive 
 tendencies, 
 or at worse purposely seek them.  Along with licensing fees, I 
 would 
 have some sort of educational program in place that would assure 
 that 
 these breeders knew exactly what they were getting into.  And what 
 the 
 heck, while I'm dreaming, that each dog sold as pet quality (not 
 for 
 breeding purposes), would be spayed or neutered.  If there were 
 some 
 sort of reprisal for this stupidity and cruelty, we would have 
 legal 
 support and recourse, (instead of reason and an attempt at 
 individual 
 enlightenment).  It would be wonderful to have a phone number to 
 call to 
 make sure a  breeder was sanctioned.   Animals as property works 
 against 
 us in so many ways, wouldn't it be nice to have it work for us for 
 a change?
 Nina
 
 Jen Meyer wrote:
 
  Obviously, these owners (whose dogs attack) who claim their dogs 
 are 
  the sweetest things ever aren't telling the whole truth... ;)  
 My 
  guess is that they knew very well their dogs' tendencies, but 
 are they 
  going to admit that to the media?  Unfortunately, no.  What 
 these dogs 
  need (and what every dogs needs, regardless of breed) are 
 responsible 
  owners well versed in Doggie Behavior 101.  I'm 100% confident 
 that 
  dogs don't just suddenly snap.  Dogs have their own body 
 language 
  that makes it quite clear, BEFORE biting is EVER an option that 
 tells 
  another dog or a person, Hey, man, I'm not too keen on you 
 being so 
  close to me.  We do dogs a huge diservice by not recognizing 
 their 
  subtle cues and we do our children an even worse diservice by 
 not 
  teaching them how to properly approach a strange dog.  I'm 
 willing to 
  bet that many of the victims of these attacks were children who 
 were 
  never around the dogs on a consistant basis.
   
  Don't get me wrong, I'm not defending aggressive behavior, only 
  responsible ownership!  Socialize your dogs!!  :)  Legislation 
 is such 
  an iffy endeavor...Unfortunately, dogs are still considered 
  property in the state of Texas...but what happens one day when 
 pets 
  are no longer considered property of their owners?  We can't 
 tell 
  the parents of the child who kills another child that they can 
 no 
  longer have children...what do we do?  See, the problem with 
 trying to 
  legislate based on breed (ie. special licensing, expensive 
 insurance, 
  etc.) is that the crappy owners, the owners who breed their dogs 
 to 
  fight, aren't exactly the kind of people who are considered 
  law-abiding citizens, see what I mean?  It will be the 
 responsible 
  owners who will unfairly be punished this kind of legislation 
 and 
  vicious dogs will STILL be bred in spite of the law.  I just 
 don't see 
  how it's going to work... :(
   
   
 
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  *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of 
 *Melbeach *Sent:* Wednesday, March 30, 2005 7:24 AM
  *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  *Subject:* Re: Find the Pit Bull [Interesting and Scary]
 
  Wow, I can't believe how many of you cat folk are pit bull fans.
  You guys obviously don't live in Florida. It seems like 
 every week
  there's a new story here about a pit bull mauling someone to
  death. And every time it's the same exact story. My dog is the
  sweetest dog. She's great with the kids. Then one day... 
 Problem is, these breeds were originally bred to kill. It's 
 in their genes
  and it's well

OT Find the Pit Bull [Interesting and Scary]

I would love to see a world where dogs (or any animal) were not bred,
bought and sold at all. 
I was very, very disappointed when a friend of mine told me 2 weeks ago
that she had got her new puppy, a Westie, from a pet store. While it
obviously doesn't diminish her dog in any way, she could have given a
Westie rescue a good home. 
On the plus side, I was quietly thrilled last weekend to hear that
another friend who bought her 2 dogs from breeders 8 years ago (and who
knows what I think of breeders/breeding) told me that she plans to adopt
her next dog from a rescue group. Kerry

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Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 8:29 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: Find the Pit Bull [Interesting and Scary]


Interesting.  Dogs can be bred for different features, of course. 
The casual term Pit Bull apparently refers to several different dogs. 
Don't think the American Pit Bull was historically bred or trained to 
kill in the way you're describing, at least I've read that.  As I 
recall, that's a more recent thing that's happened to some Pits, 
unfortunately - a result of the human being who wants that feature.

The features of animals change based on what breeders breed for - I 
don't think about that much with cats, because most of what I deal 
with are mixed breed cats.  Not so with dogs and horses - there's 
more of a breed orientation.  I'm not an expert, but I think that 
the features of the Quarter Horse have changed over the last 50 years 
- they look and act differently.

Pits can have different features, based on both breeding and 
conditioning by the owner. I found  interesting web sites re pits 
- I didn't realize that several breeds are casually referred to as 
Pits - anyhow, here are a few pages -

http://pitbulls.jentown.com/

http://pitbulls.jentown.com/WhatisaPitpage/whatisapitbull.htm

http://www.pawsitivelypitbull.org/resources.html

I had a part-pit dog back in the late 80's, early 90's. Great dog.  I 
trusted her with my cats totally - certainly more than I trust my 
sweet Walker Hound, who chases anything that moves.

Gloria


Wow, I can't believe how many of you cat folk are pit bull fans. You 
guys obviously don't live in Florida. It seems like every week 
there's a new story here about a pit bull mauling someone to death. 
And every time it's the same exact story. My dog is the sweetest 
dog. She's great with the kids. Then one day... Problem is, these 
breeds were originally bred to kill. It's in their genes and it's 
well documented that they can snap at any moment. It's like having a 
loaded gun sitting around the house. Sure it might protect me, but...

Now euthinizing dogs based on breed, that's a different story. I 
could never defend that. These dogs can't help who they are. But if 
you have children and you're mixing them with a breed that's known to 
kill, that borders on child abuse IMO. I don't care how sweet the dog 
is today. And sure a lab or schnoodel can snap also. But if a lab 
bites me, it's not a death sentence. Bottom line is there are plenty 
of other breeds out there you can choose from. If you have kids, 
there's absolutely no way you can justify buying a pit bull or 
similar breed. The possible cost (death of a child) far outweighs any 
benefit.

IMO, owning any breed of animal that's easily capable of killing 
somebody should require a special, extremely expensive license. To 
get the license, you would need to complete many hours of education 
on how to keep said animal from killing someone. Maybe that would 
slow down the breeding of such animals. That's the real problem. Just 
my opinion of course. Like I said, here in Florida things are 
different. The stupid people far outnumber the rest of us here. And 
sometimes you have to legislate to protect the rest of the population 
from the stupid people.

Oh yeah. Which was the pitbull? Was it number 20? I didn't see a link 
for getting the answer.

-Kyle


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From: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Belinda Sauro
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Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2005 11:07 AM
Subject: OT: Find the Pit Bull [Interesting and Scary]

This is an interesting test that I failed miserably, it's scary to 
think how dogs are wrongly classified as this breed and are wrongly 
persecuted.
-
Take the test and see if you can pick out the pit bull out of this 
page of pictures.  It's amazing how many other breeds look similar.
http://www.pitbullsontheweb.com/petbull/findpit.htmlhttp://www.pitbull
sontheweb.com/petbull/findpit.html
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Re: Find the Pit Bull--problems w/ legislating

2005-03-30 Thread Melbeach

Belinda, you're right. Educating people on dealing with animals is very
important. It's definitely another one of those things they never taught us in
school, but should have. Ant I think I'm definitely guilty of stereotyping
here. When I hear pitbull, a certain picture of the owner comes to mind. And
where I live, that image is true most of the time. So I think I have a
tendency to extrapolate my disgust for those people to the dog itself. And
that's wrong. I just think everyone has a different threshold for what's
exotic and what's not. If you want to own a tiger, that's considered an exotic
animal and you must have a special license. For me, pitbulls and other
aggressive dog breeds, fall just above that line - putting them in the same
category. Others draw that line higher, leaving them out of the exotic
category. So can we agree to disagree on that line? I just feel like I
offended alot of people and I didn't mean to. Sorry about that! Truce?

-Kyle

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Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 2:03 PM
Subject: Re: Find the Pit Bull--problems w/ legislating


 Amen to that, children now-a-days for the most part and in many
 families, not ALL but MANY are allowed to run wild and are unsupervised
 (you never hear parents complaining about that though, just us poor
 schucks who have to put up with it).  I was always told as a child that
 you don't touch a strange dog, and my parents enforced the rules, if I
 didn't follow them there were consequences, something really lacking today.

 Now if the dog is loose then it's the owners fault and they should not
 be allowed to have a dog if they aren't going to be a responsible pet
 owner, not only for the safety of their dog but the public.  I've had
 more than one dog come up charging me while I was out walking and it was
 running loose.  Not a fun feeling, thankfully they didn't do anything
 other than walk around me in circles then left (ps. the owner was
 standing right in his yard laughing, I called him a few choice names).

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Re: Find the Pit Bull--problems w/ legislating

2005-03-30 Thread Barb Moermond

I think the biggest part of the problem is that you have those stupid owners who have bred and trainedfor vicious behavior and you have that happening through many generations in an area and you get the "bad" lines. I think what you describe happening is very similar to the situation in Detroit. The poor owner behavior has gone on for so many doggy generations that most of the dogs labeled as pit bulls (and by the way, it took me 5-6 tries before I got it) have these in-bred behavioral tendencies. We had half husky/half malamutes when I was a kid and the hyper husky part was toned down by the mellow malamute AND since they were sisters and litter-mates, they were awesome. I used to climb in their doghouse - inside the garage, they put a hole in the side of the garage and they always ended up sleeping outside in the snow - and take naps with them - Sugar was an awesome pillow:)My mom also taught us to respect them and their capabilities because
they were just stronger than we were. To this day, I ALWAYS ask if I can pet a dog and always offer my hand with the fingers curled under for sniffing before I touch.
I also remember being attacked by a neighbors' dog when I was in grade school. The neighbor kids and I were in the basement at their house and were being normal and rambunctious and the dog (a Lhasa I think) just got over-excited and wouldn't let me get to the stairs to leave - growling and snapping and jumping up at me. I eventually was so upset that I just ran the gauntlet anyway and got bit on my way through. I was VERY upset by it, but after I calmed down and some time had passed, I certainly didn't hold it against the breed. My dad later had a lhasa that thought it wasa cat:)Melbeach [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Belinda, you're right. Educating people on dealing with animals is veryimportant. It's definitely another one of those things they never taught us inschool, but should have. Ant I think I'm definitely guilty of stereotypinghere. When I hear pitbull, a certain picture of the owner comes to mind. Andwhere I live, that image is true most of the time. So I think I have atendency to extrapolate my disgust for those people to the dog itself. Andthat's wrong. I just think everyone has a different threshold for what'sexotic and what's not. If you want to own a tiger, that's considered an exoticanimal and you must have a special license. For me, pitbulls and otheraggressive dog breeds, fall just above that line - putting them in the samecategory. Others draw that line higher, leaving them out of the exoticcategory. So can we agree to disagree on that
line? I just feel like Ioffended alot of people and I didn't mean to. Sorry about that! Truce?-Kyle- Original Message - From: "Belinda Sauro" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 2:03 PMSubject: Re: Find the Pit Bull--problems w/ legislating Amen to that, children now-a-days for the most part and in many families, not ALL but MANY are allowed to run wild and are unsupervised (you never hear parents complaining about that though, just us poor schucks who have to put up with it). I was always told as a child that you don't touch a strange dog, and my parents enforced the rules, if I didn't follow them there were consequences, something really lacking today. Now if the dog is loose then it's the owners fault and they should not be allowed to have a dog if they aren't going to be a responsible pet owner,
not only for the safety of their dog but the public. I've had more than one dog come up charging me while I was out walking and it was running loose. Not a fun feeling, thankfully they didn't do anything other than walk around me in circles then left (ps. the owner was standing right in his yard laughing, I called him a few choice names). -- Belinda Happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties ... http://www.bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candle Light Service http://www.bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com (affordable hosting web design) http://HostDesign4U.com --- BMK Designs (non-profit web sites) http://bmk.bemikitties.comBarb+Smoky the House
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Re: Find the Pit Bull--problems w/ legislating

2005-03-30 Thread Belinda Sauro

Hi Kyle,
   I wasn't offended, everyone is entitled to their opinion, I feel bad 
for anyone that gets attacked by a dog pitbull or other.  When I was 5 
years old walking home from school I had to walk by this house that had 
a dalmation in the yard.  The yard was fenced and the other kids would 
tease this dog mercilessly when they walked by.  Most of the time he was 
chained also.  But one day as I was walking by he got up and jumped the 
fence, bit me in the lip and jumped back over and laid down next to his 
dog house. I never teased this dog, but I did say hi to him on some 
occasions, he had just finally had enough and was not chained and I 
unfortunetly happened to be the kid walking by.  I don't blame the dog 
or the owners in this case, he was in his yard behind a fence, I blame 
the kids whose parents didn't teach them to respect animals, who teased 
this dog everyday.  I had to get 6 rabie shots and the dog was 
quaranteed until he was cleared.  To this day I love dogs but have a bit 
of a fear of dalmatians (the type of dog this was), it isn't something I 
can control and I would never wish harm on one, but I do get a slight 
panicky feeling if I see one running loose.

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RE: Mysterious condition









Thank you, I will ask my vet to see if
this is a possibility for OB  thank you!



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Subject: RE: Mysterious condition





Cushings Disease? - Thining of hair...loss of
weight, excessive appetite  thirst, potting or drooping of
bellysagging of face (later symptoms)lumps and bumps -often benign
appearing on body, the animal seeks out cool spaces to layeven when you're
freezing...











My dog was recently diagnoised with it...apparently it
occurs when the body produces too much prednazone. I'm sorry I forget
exactly how the vet found it, outside of the symptoms I listed above and subtle
changes in her bloodwork numbers.











It can be treated...not cured, and the treatment is
very expensive unfortunately. I can't give too much more info. as I'm
still studying it myself.











I hope you find out what's wrong. Good luck.





T

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Behalf Of Hideyo Yamamoto
Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005
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Subject: OT: Mysterious condition







Hi, list, I need your advice
 

I have a boy kitty, OB
who is about 10 years old, and I rescued him a couple of years ago. For the past couple of months, I noticed that
he has been losing weights (especially hind legs area) also his hair coat was
getting really thin the bottom half of his body  I did first not worry
about it, he has a really good appetite  but all of sudden, I realized
that he could have hyperthyroid due to the symptoms I see in him (drink lots of
water, too), and also could be kidney problem or diabetes. Anyway, I took him to the vet (he also had an
ear infection  really stinky in his left ear) and did the blood work
 and it all came back very normal including T3 and T4 test, and liver
and kidney functions are also fine. I
asked about if caner is a possibility  she says it is, but do have to do
an X-ray to see 



But very mysterious  he acts fine  but I am
very concerned about him losing weight and hair  any idea or insight on
his condition?



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Re: Find the Pit Bull--Memories!

2005-03-30 Thread jenmeyer

Wow!  That brings back memories!  I had completely forgotten about the dog that 
lived adjacent to our back yard when I was a kid!  He was a big yellow dog 
(probably a lab mix) named Gilda, or something like that...we were always 
warned to stay clear of him, and, for the most part, his owner's kept him 
chained up in the yard...but one day, he was running loose through the yards 
that were joined in the back (nobody had fencing)...I was in the backyard (I 
was probably 6 or 7 at the time) and I remember he started approaching me (and 
had the sense that he wasn't looking for a good scritch)...I was scared out of 
my wits and picked up a stick that was lying on the ground...not the wisest 
decision on my part, but I wasn't about to turn and run (last thing I wanted to 
do was take my eyes off of him)!  So there we were, dog and kid not willing to 
concede...THANK GOD my dad saw me and came running out!!  Ever since then, I've 
always been a little leary of yellow labs...wow, I can't bel
ieve I forgot all about that incident!  :)

Okay, I'll get off this subject now...thanks, everyone, for putting up with my 
rantings!  :)


- Original Message -
From: Belinda Sauro [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 2:12 pm
Subject: Re: Find the Pit Bull--problems w/ legislating

 Hi Kyle,
I wasn't offended, everyone is entitled to their opinion, I 
 feel bad 
 for anyone that gets attacked by a dog pitbull or other.  When I 
 was 5 
 years old walking home from school I had to walk by this house 
 that had 
 a dalmation in the yard.  The yard was fenced and the other kids 
 would 
 tease this dog mercilessly when they walked by.  Most of the time 
 he was 
 chained also.  But one day as I was walking by he got up and 
 jumped the 
 fence, bit me in the lip and jumped back over and laid down next 
 to his 
 dog house. I never teased this dog, but I did say hi to him on 
 some 
 occasions, he had just finally had enough and was not chained and 
 I 
 unfortunetly happened to be the kid walking by.  I don't blame the 
 dog 
 or the owners in this case, he was in his yard behind a fence, I 
 blame 
 the kids whose parents didn't teach them to respect animals, who 
 teased 
 this dog everyday.  I had to get 6 rabie shots and the dog was 
 quaranteed until he was cleared.  To this day I love dogs but have 
 a bit 
 of a fear of dalmatians (the type of dog this was), it isn't 
 something I 
 can control and I would never wish harm on one, but I do get a 
 slight 
 panicky feeling if I see one running loose.
 
 -- 
 Belinda
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Re: Mysterious condition

2005-03-30 Thread TenHouseCats

re: negative thyroid panel--at the sanctuary we had an FIV+ with
similar symptoms and similar test results. it looked SO much like
hyperthyroid to us that we asked our vet if giving him tapazole would
hurt anyway. he said that he couldn't find anything that said it was
contraindicated, and it cleared up the problems--so clearly he didn't
have CLASSIC case of the condition, but sort of an acute episode that
responded to meds.. just something to consider.

the more i learn, the more i realize that NO ONE all (or even many!)
of the answers...

MC

RE: Mysterious condition









I will!
Thank you, Barbara!



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wow, I just can never believe how cruel our species
can be. You give OB extra scritchin' and snugglin' today for me.

Hideyo Yamamoto
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 

Thanks, Kerry  I
hope so, too. When I rescued from a very
irresponsible (in my mind they were) people  who would just leave him
outside all the time with no food and no water and would never let him in the
house because he pee-ed in the house a couple of times  I used to find
him sleeping behind the bush, sitting, but closing his eyes  because it
was just too cold to be comfortable for him (also they live in a neighborhood
where lots of coyotes are, and they kill cats)
- they used to leave a garage door just wide enough so that he
wouldnt be able to get in (I used to see him trying to get inside the
garage, and he couldnt)  it was very sad but anyway, I
promised to OB that I would provide him a better life  so I hope that he
will get better soon!!!



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March 30, 2005 11:57 AM
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Hideyo,
I'm sorry to be of no help as Idon't know what OB
could have as you've ruled out hyperthyroid but I hope you succeed in finding
out - or he gets better, in any case. He's a lucky little fellow to have you
looking out for him. Sending out positive vibes for a fast diagnosis and cure
for OB, love  hugs, Kerry



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March 30, 2005 10:50 AM
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Subject: OT: Mysterious condition

Hi, list, I need your advice 


I have a boy kitty, OB
who is about 10 years old, and I rescued him a couple of years ago. For the past couple of months, I noticed that
he has been losing weights (especially hind legs area) also his hair coat was
getting really thin the bottom half of his body  I did first not worry
about it, he has a really good appetite  but all of sudden, I realized
that he could have hyperthyroid due to the symptoms I see in him (drink lots of
water, too), and also could be kidney problem or diabetes. Anyway, I took him to the vet (he also had an
ear infection  really stinky in his left ear) and did the blood work
 and it all came back very normal including T3 and T4 test, and liver
and kidney functions are also fine. I
asked about if caner is a possibility  she says it is, but do have to do
an X-ray to see 



But very mysterious  he acts
fine  but I am very concerned about him losing weight and hair 
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RE: my 1 1/2 yr old cat is not having bowel movements?need advice (jayden)

re:my cat is not having bowel movements (jayden)



hello list 
i need some advice... my son is urinating okay but no stool at all in the last 3 days. i need to know if vaseline (white petroleum jelly) is okay for a cat? just a little on the paw too loosen the stool. Ive tryed pumpkin,olive oil and butter?? please email me back i dont know what else to try???/?

Fwd: 'help' my cat shorty is sick (jayden)



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to list:
hi, my cat is still not using the restroom and i do have a doc. appt. today for him but i was curiouse to know if i could maybe put a little vaseline with white petroleum jelly on his paw if that may loosen up the stool inside him and if that is okay for him to have? please email me back he is uncomfortable and doesnt want to move around or be played with andhe is whining is there anything else i can do? Ive tried butter,veggieoil, and pumpkin.??? what can i do?
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RE: my 1 1/2 yr old cat is not having bowel movements?need advice(jayden)

2005-03-30 Thread Carmen Conklin

Hi. I am new to the list, and there was no text message that I saw but your 
subject header got my attention. If your cat is not having any bowel 
movements and products like Laxatone are not helping, do NOT wait too many 
days before taking your cat to the veterinarian. He 'may' have Mega-colon 
and that needs to be seen by a vet soon. I have one cat that has had 2 
surgeries for Mega-colon and is on a strict health management program. Hope 
this helps, since I did not see a full message. Clc

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: RE: my 1 1/2 yr old cat is not having bowel movements?need 
advice(jayden)
Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 16:09:09 EST

re:my cat is not having bowel movements (jayden)

2005-03-30 Thread Barb Moermond

I'm surprised that the canned pumpkin didn't work. Have you tried hairball ointment? Let us know what the vet says today. I know some people do use plain old vaseline for hairball control instead of laxotone or some other specific product.[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


hello list 
i need some advice... my son is urinating okay but no stool at all in the last 3 days. i need to know if vaseline (white petroleum jelly) is okay for a cat? just a little on the paw too loosen the stool. Ive tryed pumpkin,olive oil and butter?? please email me back i dont know what else to try???/?Barb+Smoky the House Puma+El Bandito Malito"My cat the clown:  paying no mind to whom he should impress.  Merely living his life, doing what pleases him, and making me smile."- Anonymous
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RE: my cat is not having bowel movements (jayden)









How about a little bit of mineral oil 
when I was raising a kitten since she was one day old  there was a time
that she did not poop over a week  and per my holistic vet recommendation,
I used mineral oil (after trying with syllium husk for a few days)  it worked
like a miracle  it came right out!
Also  I had a similar problem with Oreo and JoJo after their disc
surgery and it worked right away for both of them as well!.



-Original Message-
From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Barb Moermond
Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005
2:22 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: re:my cat is not having
bowel movements (jayden)





I'm surprised that the canned pumpkin didn't
work. Have you tried hairball ointment? Let us know what the vet
says today. I know some people do use plain old vaseline for hairball
control instead of laxotone or some other specific product.

[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote: 



hello list 





i need some advice... my son is urinating okay but no
stool at all in the last 3 days. i need to know if vaseline (white petroleum
jelly) is okay for a cat? just a little on the paw too loosen the stool. Ive
tryed pumpkin,olive oil and butter?? please email me back i dont know what else
to try???/?







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his life, doing what pleases him, and making me smile. 
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RE: For Sue RE: for Kathleen-- I'm new and green.I've rescued and amcaring forDeirdre (FELV+)

Anything which include any artificial preservative, especially, BHT and
BHA should be avoided, if you know what they are, and what they are used
for, there's no way that we can feed to our babies - especially FeLV+
babies - 

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of MacKenzie,
Kerry N.
Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 12:26 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: For Sue RE: for Kathleen-- I'm new and green.I've rescued and
amcaring forDeirdre (FELV+)

Hi Sue
Re your vet's assessment of Iams, I honestly don't think fine is good
enough -- and especially for FeLV kitties with their severely
compromised immune systems. And no disrespect to your vet, but many
vets--including my own--have never led me to believe they know or care
that much about nutrition for healthy cats never mind FELV cats. (I'd
say the same for a lot of doctors re human nutrition.) 
Iams dry has e.g. chicken by-products, ie, all the chicken parts that
human carnivores would not wish to eat, and corn filler and cellulose,
and since the labels don't say no artificial preservatives, flavors or
colors I have to presume it has those too. I used to feed my cats dry
Iams out of ignorance -- I didn't know there was a whole bunch of
better-quality brands out there. The Wellness dry that I now buy
specifically states on the package a list of things they do not use, and
the list includes meat by-products, corn, cellulose, and artificial
preservatives, flavors or colors. 
Kerry


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sue Feldbusch
Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2005 9:15 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: RE: for Kathleen-- I'm new and green.I've rescued and am caring
forDeirdre (FELV+)


I use IAMS hard food and my vet said it's fine for felv+ kitty's.

From: MacKenzie, Kerry N. [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: for Kathleen-- I'm new and green.I've rescued and am caring 
forDeirdre (FELV+)
Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 15:00:32 -0600

Hi Kathleen
I'm sorry I haven't been able to reply to your email till now---welcome
to the group, though I'm very sorry for the reason you've had to find
us.
You won't find a more informed, supportive, caring, wonderful bunch of
people than this one. They've been a total godsend for me!
It's always a shock to discover a kitty has felv. I'm glad Deirdre has
such a caring mom.
I discovered in December 2003 that 5 of the 6 rescue kitties I took in
were felv positive.
I had to go on a crash course, so to speak, in dealing with FeLV cats
and I found that their diet (not surprisingly) is SO important. My most
precious references are this wonderful group and Anitra Frazier's The
Natural Cat Book.
Here's a copy of what I've sent out in the past with the salient
points:

~~Give only filtered water.
~~Feed only high grade/human grade pet food. That is NOT Iams or
Science
diet-type, which has nasty by-products, and which I now know, by no
means represents the gold standard in pet food, but the much higher
quality brands without by-products, additives or preservatives, eg
Wellness, Innova, Petguard, that you find in the independent pet stores
(you won't find these high-quality foods in the Petco/Petsmart chains).
I give mine Petguard wet food (from Wholefoods) and Wellness wet and
dry
food morning and evening.
~~Add these supplements morning and evening to Deirdre's wet food, to
boost her immune system:  a 500mg L-Lysin pill (grind first), easily
available from pharmacies/healthfood stores, 1/4 tsp feline enzymes, 1
teaspoon of 'Vita-Mineral Mix'  (I'll send you the details separately).
Also, gradually, as I was able to obtain them (not difficult as it
turned out, everything is available in health food stores or Internet)
I
added most of the remainder of the supplements Frazier recommends:
CoQ10, bioplasma, olive oil, cod liver oil and alfalfa (I'll send you
details re amounts). And I give them interferon. Got it thru Walgreen's
(eventually) on my vet's prescription, and he made it up for me.
You will get tons more advice and help from others on the list!
Good luck, Kathleen, and a big hug for Deirdre---she's such a lucky
kitty to have found you! Kerry

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kathy Gittel
Sent: Monday, March 07, 2005 3:02 PM
To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: I'm new and green.I've rescued and am caring for Deirdre
(FELV+)


I'd be grateful for any and all suggestions you have for diet,
vitamins, and care for Deirdre. I fed her outside and created a
shelter for her in my shed for 1 year when she first appeared under my
evergreen tree eating birdseed. She was about 6 months old then. I
trapped her this January 1st and had her spayed, de-flead, de-wormed
and got her all her shots. She was feral. During the last 3 weeks, she
finally began
to get friendly and is now a total mush melon. I love her. She

Re: Fwd: 'help' my cat shorty is sick (jayden)

I understand your concern, and it does sound like he's mighty 
uncomfortable.  Try not to panic.  I'm glad you have a vet appointment 
today, if you feel your cat is in an emergency situation, take him to 
the vet right now and tell them you didn't want to wait for your regular 
appointment.  I'm sure they'll squeeze you in if they can.  I just read 
about something you can only get from a vet for constipation, I'm not 
sure if it's actually a prescription, or not.  Ask your vet about it, 
it's called Lactulose.  What is your name?

Nina
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Subject:
Re:'help' my cat shorty is sick (jayden)
From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date:
Wed, 30 Mar 2005 15:49:01 EST
To:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
To:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 to list:
hi, my cat is still not using the restroom and i do have a doc. appt. 
today for him but i was curiouse to know if i could maybe put a little 
vaseline with white petroleum jelly on his paw if that may loosen up 
the stool inside him and if that is okay for him to have? please email 
me back he is uncomfortable and doesnt want to move around or be 
played with and he is whining is there anything else i can do? Ive 
tried butter,veggieoil, and pumpkin.??? what can i do?

RE: my cat is not having bowel movements (jayden)

Which by the way all the major brand food (recommended by vet) include -
Hill's science, I think Iam, too (but not Eucanoba -it's manufactured by
Iam)

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kat
Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 2:30 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: RE: my cat is not having bowel movements (jayden)

Be careful of the mineral oil - mix it well into food, no puddles.
My vet has said that cats don't smell the oil and can inhale it,
causing
respiratory distress.
Kat (Mew Jersey)

On Wed, 30 Mar 2005, Hideyo Yamamoto wrote:

 Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 14:24:50 -0700
 From: Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: RE: my cat is not having bowel movements  (jayden)

 How about a little bit of mineral oil - when I was raising a kitten
 since she was one day old - there was a time that she did not poop
over
 a week - and per my holistic vet recommendation, I used mineral oil
 (after trying with syllium husk for a few days) - it worked like a
 miracle - it came right out!  Also - I had a similar problem with Oreo
 and JoJo after their disc surgery and it worked right away for both of
 them as well!.

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Barb
Moermond
 Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 2:22 PM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: re:my cat is not having bowel movements (jayden)

 I'm surprised that the canned pumpkin didn't work.  Have you tried
 hairball ointment?  Let us know what the vet says today.  I know some
 people do use plain old vaseline for hairball control instead of
 laxotone or some other specific product.

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  hello list
 i need some advice... my son is urinating okay but no stool at all in
 the last 3 days. i need to know if vaseline (white petroleum jelly) is
 okay for a cat? just a little on the paw too loosen the stool. Ive
tryed
 pumpkin,olive oil and butter?? please email me back i dont know what
 else to try???/?

 Barb+Smoky the House Puma+El Bandito Malito

 My cat the clown: paying no mind to whom he should impress. Merely
 living his life, doing what pleases him, and making me smile.
 - Anonymous
   _

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RE: For Sue RE: for Kathleen-- I'm new and green.I've rescued andamcaring forDeirdre (FELV+)

All the major brand (recommended by vet) include BHA and BHT - such as
Hill's science, and IAM (not Eubanoba though)

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hideyo
Yamamoto
Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 2:28 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: RE: For Sue RE: for Kathleen-- I'm new and green.I've rescued
andamcaring forDeirdre (FELV+)

Anything which include any artificial preservative, especially, BHT and
BHA should be avoided, if you know what they are, and what they are used
for, there's no way that we can feed to our babies - especially FeLV+
babies - 

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of MacKenzie,
Kerry N.
Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 12:26 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: For Sue RE: for Kathleen-- I'm new and green.I've rescued and
amcaring forDeirdre (FELV+)

Hi Sue
Re your vet's assessment of Iams, I honestly don't think fine is good
enough -- and especially for FeLV kitties with their severely
compromised immune systems. And no disrespect to your vet, but many
vets--including my own--have never led me to believe they know or care
that much about nutrition for healthy cats never mind FELV cats. (I'd
say the same for a lot of doctors re human nutrition.) 
Iams dry has e.g. chicken by-products, ie, all the chicken parts that
human carnivores would not wish to eat, and corn filler and cellulose,
and since the labels don't say no artificial preservatives, flavors or
colors I have to presume it has those too. I used to feed my cats dry
Iams out of ignorance -- I didn't know there was a whole bunch of
better-quality brands out there. The Wellness dry that I now buy
specifically states on the package a list of things they do not use, and
the list includes meat by-products, corn, cellulose, and artificial
preservatives, flavors or colors. 
Kerry

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sue Feldbusch
Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2005 9:15 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: RE: for Kathleen-- I'm new and green.I've rescued and am caring
forDeirdre (FELV+)

I use IAMS hard food and my vet said it's fine for felv+ kitty's.

From: MacKenzie, Kerry N. [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: for Kathleen-- I'm new and green.I've rescued and am caring 
forDeirdre (FELV+)
Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 15:00:32 -0600

Hi Kathleen
I'm sorry I haven't been able to reply to your email till now---welcome
to the group, though I'm very sorry for the reason you've had to find
us.
You won't find a more informed, supportive, caring, wonderful bunch of
people than this one. They've been a total godsend for me!
It's always a shock to discover a kitty has felv. I'm glad Deirdre has
such a caring mom.
I discovered in December 2003 that 5 of the 6 rescue kitties I took in
were felv positive.
I had to go on a crash course, so to speak, in dealing with FeLV cats
and I found that their diet (not surprisingly) is SO important. My most
precious references are this wonderful group and Anitra Frazier's The
Natural Cat Book.
Here's a copy of what I've sent out in the past with the salient
points:

~~Give only filtered water.
~~Feed only high grade/human grade pet food. That is NOT Iams or
Science
diet-type, which has nasty by-products, and which I now know, by no
means represents the gold standard in pet food, but the much higher
quality brands without by-products, additives or preservatives, eg
Wellness, Innova, Petguard, that you find in the independent pet stores
(you won't find these high-quality foods in the Petco/Petsmart chains).
I give mine Petguard wet food (from Wholefoods) and Wellness wet and
dry
food morning and evening.
~~Add these supplements morning and evening to Deirdre's wet food, to
boost her immune system:  a 500mg L-Lysin pill (grind first), easily
available from pharmacies/healthfood stores, 1/4 tsp feline enzymes, 1
teaspoon of 'Vita-Mineral Mix'  (I'll send you the details separately).
Also, gradually, as I was able to obtain them (not difficult as it
turned out, everything is available in health food stores or Internet)
I
added most of the remainder of the supplements Frazier recommends:
CoQ10, bioplasma, olive oil, cod liver oil and alfalfa (I'll send you
details re amounts). And I give them interferon. Got it thru Walgreen's
(eventually) on my vet's prescription, and he made it up for me.
You will get tons more advice and help from others on the list!
Good luck, Kathleen, and a big hug for Deirdre---she's such a lucky
kitty to have found you! Kerry

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kathy Gittel
Sent: Monday, March 07, 2005 3:02 PM
To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: I'm new and green.I've rescued and am caring for Deirdre
(FELV+)

I'd be grateful for any and all suggestions you have for diet,
vitamins, and care

Re: my cat is not having bowel movements (jayden)

2005-03-30 Thread Lernermichelle

Get Lactulose from your vet. You give it by syringe. It works better and quicker than anything. Definitely try it.

Something else to use long-term is slippery elm-- mix some with food or with baby food every day. Can get it in health food store. But for now I would use Lactulose.

Michelle

Re: Find the Pit Bull--Memories!

2005-03-30 Thread BONNIE J KALMBACH

Generally yellow labs are the sweetest dogs - I have one - however the 
key word that leapt out of your post was chained. Chained dogs, 
especially those that spend much of their lives that way, are very 
likely to attack and bite. We were just talking about this topic on 
another list

Bonnie in WI

- Original Message -
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 2:40 pm
Subject: Re: Find the Pit Bull--Memories!

 Wow!  That brings back memories!  I had completely forgotten about 
 the dog that lived adjacent to our back yard when I was a kid!  He 
 was a big yellow dog (probably a lab mix) named Gilda, or 
 something like that...we were always warned to stay clear of him, 
 and, for the most part, his owner's kept him chained up in the 
 yard...but one day, he was running loose through the yards that 
 were joined in the back (nobody had fencing)...I was in the 
 backyard (I was probably 6 or 7 at the time) and I remember he 
 started approaching me (and had the sense that he wasn't looking 
 for a good scritch)...I was scared out of my wits and picked up a 
 stick that was lying on the ground...not the wisest decision on my 
 part, but I wasn't about to turn and run (last thing I wanted to 
 do was take my eyes off of him)!  So there we were, dog and kid 
 not willing to concede...THANK GOD my dad saw me and came running 
 out!!  Ever since then, I've always been a little leary of yellow 
 labs...wow, I can't bel
 ieve I forgot all about that incident!  :)
 
 Okay, I'll get off this subject now...thanks, everyone, for 
 putting up with my rantings!  :)
 
 
 - Original Message -
 From: Belinda Sauro [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Date: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 2:12 pm
 Subject: Re: Find the Pit Bull--problems w/ legislating
 
  Hi Kyle,
 I wasn't offended, everyone is entitled to their opinion, I 
  feel bad 
  for anyone that gets attacked by a dog pitbull or other.  When I 
  was 5 
  years old walking home from school I had to walk by this house 
  that had 
  a dalmation in the yard.  The yard was fenced and the other kids 
  would 
  tease this dog mercilessly when they walked by.  Most of the 
 time 
  he was 
  chained also.  But one day as I was walking by he got up and 
  jumped the 
  fence, bit me in the lip and jumped back over and laid down next 
  to his 
  dog house. I never teased this dog, but I did say hi to him on 
  some 
  occasions, he had just finally had enough and was not chained 
 and 
  I 
  unfortunetly happened to be the kid walking by.  I don't blame 
 the 
  dog 
  or the owners in this case, he was in his yard behind a fence, I 
  blame 
  the kids whose parents didn't teach them to respect animals, who 
  teased 
  this dog everyday.  I had to get 6 rabie shots and the dog was 
  quaranteed until he was cleared.  To this day I love dogs but 
 have 
  a bit 
  of a fear of dalmatians (the type of dog this was), it isn't 
  something I 
  can control and I would never wish harm on one, but I do get a 
  slight 
  panicky feeling if I see one running loose.
  
  -- 
  Belinda
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feline leukemia:my preciuos son shorty isnt doing very goodat all! what can i do

M y cat shorty is now about a year and a half old. He has had leukemia since he was born. We were lucky to find him before they put him to sleep. He is normally very talkative,very outgoing, always wanting to play and run around. Now he did have a sister that was also felv+ ,we also took her home to have a good long life. Unfortunatly his sister jade lived only for 1yr. and 6days. the vet told us that she also had something called fip? im not quite sure what that is. i was so sad about my baby girl passing... that my boyfriend made the effort and found another felv + kitten also a female shorty was much happier with some one to play with.. then our new addition to the family (jayden) well then she started having some problems also... she also passed away..Now me and my boyfriend knew and know about the possibilities with having leukemia kittens, we didnt know that it would cost over $2000 to keep them alive. but i love animals, they need homes to, they need love and toys. and i knew that these kittens needed a home. so i gave them one. me and my boyfriend had to end up moving out of our first apt. because of all out vet bills.. we just got them paid off and now shorty is showing signs of heavy breathing, not eating alot, only urinating little tiny poos here and there and he doesnt want to be held or played with and hes very touchy when we try to love on him. now i dont know what i would do with out my baby boy, he is my love, without him well id rather be in over my head with vet bills for the rest of my life. is there reall a cure for leukemia? he does not go out side he is an indoor cat only. is there ANYTHING ANYTHING AT ALL that my help my kitty PURR FOR A CURE!!! THANK YOU PLEASE IF YOU HAVE ANY INFO WRITE ME BACK PLEASE!!

RE: OT:FIV false positive?

2005-03-30 Thread Karolyn Lount

It has been my experience that 99% of FIV+ cats live to die of things
related to negative old cats

RE: For Sue RE: for Kathleen-- I'm new and green.I've rescued andamcaring forDeirdre (FELV+)

2005-03-30 Thread Sue Feldbusch

What do you guys use for treats?
From: Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: RE: For Sue RE: for Kathleen-- I'm new and green.I've rescued 
andamcaring forDeirdre (FELV+)
Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 14:27:40 -0700

Anything which include any artificial preservative, especially, BHT and
BHA should be avoided, if you know what they are, and what they are used
for, there's no way that we can feed to our babies - especially FeLV+
babies -
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of MacKenzie,
Kerry N.
Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 12:26 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: For Sue RE: for Kathleen-- I'm new and green.I've rescued and
amcaring forDeirdre (FELV+)
Hi Sue
Re your vet's assessment of Iams, I honestly don't think fine is good
enough -- and especially for FeLV kitties with their severely
compromised immune systems. And no disrespect to your vet, but many
vets--including my own--have never led me to believe they know or care
that much about nutrition for healthy cats never mind FELV cats. (I'd
say the same for a lot of doctors re human nutrition.)
Iams dry has e.g. chicken by-products, ie, all the chicken parts that
human carnivores would not wish to eat, and corn filler and cellulose,
and since the labels don't say no artificial preservatives, flavors or
colors I have to presume it has those too. I used to feed my cats dry
Iams out of ignorance -- I didn't know there was a whole bunch of
better-quality brands out there. The Wellness dry that I now buy
specifically states on the package a list of things they do not use, and
the list includes meat by-products, corn, cellulose, and artificial
preservatives, flavors or colors.
Kerry
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sue Feldbusch
Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2005 9:15 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: RE: for Kathleen-- I'm new and green.I've rescued and am caring
forDeirdre (FELV+)
I use IAMS hard food and my vet said it's fine for felv+ kitty's.
From: MacKenzie, Kerry N. [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: for Kathleen-- I'm new and green.I've rescued and am caring
forDeirdre (FELV+)
Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 15:00:32 -0600

Hi Kathleen
I'm sorry I haven't been able to reply to your email till now---welcome
to the group, though I'm very sorry for the reason you've had to find
us.
You won't find a more informed, supportive, caring, wonderful bunch of
people than this one. They've been a total godsend for me!
It's always a shock to discover a kitty has felv. I'm glad Deirdre has
such a caring mom.
I discovered in December 2003 that 5 of the 6 rescue kitties I took in
were felv positive.
I had to go on a crash course, so to speak, in dealing with FeLV cats
and I found that their diet (not surprisingly) is SO important. My most
precious references are this wonderful group and Anitra Frazier's The
Natural Cat Book.
Here's a copy of what I've sent out in the past with the salient
points:

~~Give only filtered water.
~~Feed only high grade/human grade pet food. That is NOT Iams or
Science
diet-type, which has nasty by-products, and which I now know, by no
means represents the gold standard in pet food, but the much higher
quality brands without by-products, additives or preservatives, eg
Wellness, Innova, Petguard, that you find in the independent pet stores
(you won't find these high-quality foods in the Petco/Petsmart chains).
I give mine Petguard wet food (from Wholefoods) and Wellness wet and
dry
food morning and evening.
~~Add these supplements morning and evening to Deirdre's wet food, to
boost her immune system:  a 500mg L-Lysin pill (grind first), easily
available from pharmacies/healthfood stores, 1/4 tsp feline enzymes, 1
teaspoon of 'Vita-Mineral Mix'  (I'll send you the details separately).
Also, gradually, as I was able to obtain them (not difficult as it
turned out, everything is available in health food stores or Internet)
I
added most of the remainder of the supplements Frazier recommends:
CoQ10, bioplasma, olive oil, cod liver oil and alfalfa (I'll send you
details re amounts). And I give them interferon. Got it thru Walgreen's
(eventually) on my vet's prescription, and he made it up for me.
You will get tons more advice and help from others on the list!
Good luck, Kathleen, and a big hug for Deirdre---she's such a lucky
kitty to have found you! Kerry

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kathy Gittel
Sent: Monday, March 07, 2005 3:02 PM
To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: I'm new and green.I've rescued and am caring for Deirdre
(FELV+)

I'd be grateful for any and all suggestions you have for diet,
vitamins, and care for Deirdre. I fed her outside and created a
shelter for her in my shed for 1 year when she first appeared under my
evergreen

Safer Vaccinations for Companion Animals Petition

Hi Everyone,
I was looking into cancer occurrence due to vaccinations and came across 
this petition.  I thought you guys might be interested in signing it as 
well.
Nina

http://www.petitiononline.com/petvax23/petition.html

OT: Re: Find the Pit Bull--problems w/ legislating

2005-03-30 Thread BONNIE J KALMBACH



 So we all need to take classes to learn dog body language, just in 
 case someone's pitbull gets loose?

Maybe not classes, but it would certainly be helpful to one's own 
safety if one was familiar with dog body language. I would look into 
this if you are in a location where you might come across a loose dog. 
I'll bet you could just google dog body language.

bonnie inWI

Re: feline leukemia:my preciuos son shorty isnt doing very goodat all! what c...





I don't have anything to add to Michelle's response as far as possible
diagnosis, (thank you Michelle, what would we do without you?) I just
wanted to say, we all know how frightened and distraught you feel right
now, we understand how much you love Shorty and how important he is to
you. Don't give in to despair, my fur family has been blessed with
miraculous recoveries brought about by love, determination and medical
intervention. I noticed that your posts are forwarded, if you and your
boyfriend are not already members of the list, you should join us. The
folks here are incredible sources of information and support. God
bless your little family. Keep us posted on how you guys are doing.
Nina

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
If he is having trouble breathing and
he is FeLV+ chances are he has mediastinal lymphoma, which is a type of
cancer, or severe anemia. There are things you can do for both.
Mediastinal lymphoma responds fairly well sometimes to chemotherapy and
steroids-- some cats go into remission after the first treatment,
though cats with FeLV tend to come out of remission faster. If it is
severe anemia he needs a transfusion and then there are several
long-term treatments depending on the cause of anemia (doxicycline if
it is caused by the parasit hemobartanella; steroids if it is from an
auto-immune reaction; immuno-regulin and Virbagen Omega feline
interferon imported from England if it is anemia directly caused by
FeLV). Bottom line is you need a diagnosis. Take him to a really good
vet-- preferably a board certified internist at a verterinary hospital
or referral center if possible. he will need blood work and possibly
an ultrasound. Do it fast, because both lymphoma and anemia can cause
death quickly.
  
It is also possible, of course, that he just has an upper respiratory
infection or pneumonia. A vet can find that out fast too, and you can
start him on antibiotics if that is the case. But you would likely see
other symptoms if that is what it is.
  
We have all been through something like this. Do not panic yet. Just
get him to a good vet. If it is anemia and the vet has not heard of
Immuno-regulin or Virbagen Omega, we can tell you where to tell him to
get them.
Michelle

RE: feline leukemia:my preciuos son shorty isnt doing very goodat all!what can i do