Re: TeeCee's Prognosis from the specialist
If it is Stage V lymphoma there are only 2 things that could possibly help him-- chemotherapy and steroids. The combination gave Simon 2 months, most of which were good, and probably would have given him more if he had not developed an autoimmune reaction to the cancer. He had Stage V lymphoma as well. They started him on a shot of dexamethasone (steroid) and Elspar, the first of the chemo drugs, and he started improving immediately. If you do not want to try chemo, I would absolutely do the steroids anyway. A shot of dexamethasone and a shot of depomedrol. They shrink lymphoma, help with mouth ulcers, help with certain kinds of anemia, increase appetite, perk them up, and generally make them feel better. It was these steroids that pulled Simon out of his first slide toward death when everyone thought he was almost gone. I would do a shot of dex and a shot of depo today, then another shot of dex tomorrow. I personally would also try the Elspar, which only kills lymphoma and does not have other side effects or depress white blood cell count at all, and see if it helps him. It does not sound to me like there is any way to keep him here long term, but the treatments I just suggested could give him a few weeks or months with good quality of life if they work. (If the Elspar worked, you would need to go on to the next chemo drug, probably, to hold the effects). Michelle
Re: TeeCee's Prognosis from the specialist
Liver shake does not help anemia unless it is iron deficiency anemia, which is rare and is probably not what TeeCee has. It's good to use because they will sometimes eat it when they will not eat anything else, and it is nutritious. Michelle In a message dated 4/4/05 10:58:52 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Steph, No great ideas, but I'm sorry for what you're going through with TeeCee. Have you tried the liver shake? It's good for anemia, and some people swear by it. Try to keep positive thoughts. Sometimes things DO turn around.
Re: allergies/overgrooming
Tonya, The Beandryl cream (compounded benadryl I put on the inside ear skin) DOES help Patches and does NOT make her drowsy, at least not so I can tell. She is less combative and pulls her hair out less, but still runs around. It only works in combination with a feloway diffuser though, for her. It seems worth trying, to me, because it can't hurt at all and has no long-term side effects, the way pred can. Michelle In a message dated 4/4/05 11:04:12 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi all, I wrote a while back about my positive (DD) and her overgrooming. I took her to the vet 2 weeks ago and she suggested pred. I know Belinda said that had worked for her cat, but I asked about the benedryl as Michelle had suggested as well. The vet said the benedryl wouldn't work... She said it would make her drowsy but not help. I didn't really get into it with her. She did say if I didn't want to give pred I could try these allergy 'leave in' rinses and lotions. Well I thought that would be the least invasive, so I agreed. DD did NOT appreciate the bath. And as I was having to scruff her to keep her in the sink I don't know how much of the stuff even got on her. I can't tell a real difference, but the vet said to do it once a week. Any ideas? Should I just go with the pred as the bath is stressful? tonya
RE: ot-dogfighting legislation
Title: Message Yes, it's like a knife in the gut every time you hear about it. I will definitely look at this later. Thanks Tonya. Kerry -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of catatonyaSent: Monday, April 04, 2005 9:30 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: ot-dogfighting legislation I don't want to start another PETA battle. But if you're disturbed by dogfighting and cockfighting here is some info. for you. I have a sample letter I wrote at the bottom of the email if you want to modify and use it. The House Bill and the Senate Bill have different numbers, so be sure to put the correct numbers in your correspondence. You can find your senators' and congressman's email very easily by doing a google search. example "us senators email addresses" tPETA [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: "PETA" [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Help Federal Officials Tackle Animal Fighters!Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 10:14:28 -0500Help Federal Officials Tackle Animal Fighters! Dear Friend, Our nation and its animals need your voice today! As you may know, the sadistic blood sports of dogfighting and cockfighting continue in many states. Federal officials have shied away from investigating and prosecuting some of these crimes, citing the weak statute and penalties applicable to such offenses. A vital piece of legislation that will help address this issuethe Animal Fighting Prohibition Enforcement Actwas introduced in the House and the Senate on February 15 and is being reviewed by committees. If they are passed by the Congress, S.382 and H.R.817 will strengthen prohibitions against animal fighting. The transport of animals for fightingcurrently a federal misdemeanor punishable by one year in jailwould become a felony, with offenders facing two years in prison. The legislation would also criminalize the interstate shipment of cockfighting paraphernalia, including the razor-sharp gaffs typically attached to roosters legs before fights. Please contact your senators and representative to express your support for the Animal Fighting Prohibition Enforcement Act today. And please forward this message to others who might be willing to lend their voices to this important issue: Contact information for senators and representatives is available online. Thank you for your compassion for animals and for your willingness to act. Yours sincerely, Daniel PadenDomestic Animal and Wildlife Rescue Information DepartmentPeople for the Ethical Treatment of Animals Dear Congressman Linder, Our nation and its animals need your voice today! As you may know, the sadistic blood sports of dogfighting and cockfighting continue in many states including Georgia wheretheyare illegal. I'm sure you're aware of the major bust here in Georgia where people had brought children to such a gruesome event. I believe it is time for the federal government to get more involved as the people involved cross state lines and put not only their 'fighting animals', but people's pets and children in danger through their actions. I truly believe the increase in dog attacks we are seeing on children are related to these idiots abusing and training their animals to kill. Please support the Animal Fighting Prohibition Enforcement Act! (H.R. 817) Thank you for your time. Tonya Tolbert Acworth, GAThis email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
RE: TeeCee's Prognosis from the specialist
Title: Message Stephanie, I'm so sorry to hear about TeeCee and all the tribulations he's enduring. My Levi had mouth ulcers (Iand anemia), and the only thing he would eat (and eventually he stopped eating that too) was sour cream (thanks again Michelle for that suggestion). I didn't know at that point that he had ulcers, but it later made sense laterthat heliked the sour cream as the coolness and smooth texture possibly soothed his mouth. Levi was feral, so I was unable to give him medication routinely. I hope what TeeCee's medication helps give him some relief. I know what you're going through and I'm glad TeeCee has such a wonderful "mom" looking after him.Much love and many hugs to you both. Kerry -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Stephanie E CaldwellSent: Monday, April 04, 2005 9:51 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: TeeCee's Prognosis from the specialist Im not up to replying to all the wonderful mail Ive received. Since 5pm Friday Ive had a total of about 6 hours sleep. Tees been on liquid diet every hour and other meds, so Ive been cat napping. Its starting to take its toll on me, and Im not thinking very clearly. Thanks Nina for the kind words, If I hurt your feelings with my reply Im sorry. Kyle, thanks for the ideas, but Im not sure that it will help him. Everyone else, Thanks for the kind words. The clinic gave him a blood transfusion last night around 6 pm. Hes not perked up hardly any. His official diagnosis is FeLV, Anemia, Leukopenia, fever unknown origins. And suspected Stage V Lymphoma. They gave him a few days. Hes home an sucralfate for his mouth and throat ulcers. He cant close his mouth theyre so painful. Buprenorphine, a mild painkiller. Will slow his heart down, but hes in pain and if it shortens his time, so be it. 2 types of antibiotics. Prednisolone for I dont remember what. Staying on the immune builder. Starting Transfer factor tomorrow AM and a cancer fighter supplement. Any ideas on the cancer? Oral ulcers? Thanks, StephThis email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
Re: TeeCee's Prognosis from the specialist
I made a modified liver shake with Hills A/D which has liver and V-8... My kitty that had stopped eating did eat that all by herself... Any thoughts as to how it compares...Its much easier to make... Tad [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Liver shake does not help anemia unless it is iron deficiency anemia, which is rare and is probably not what TeeCee has. It's good to use because they will sometimes eat it when they will not eat anything else, and it is nutritious. Michelle In a message dated 4/4/05 10:58:52 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Steph, No great ideas, but I'm sorry for what you're going through with TeeCee. Have you tried the liver shake? It's good for anemia, and some people swear by it. Try to keep positive thoughts. Sometimes things DO turn around. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.9.2 - Release Date: 4/5/2005
Re: allergies/overgrooming
Thanks, I'm going to ask about it again before I turn to pred. Do you know if she actually has allergies or if it's behavioral only? t[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tonya,The Beandryl cream (compounded benadryl I put on the inside ear skin) DOES help Patches and does NOT make her drowsy, at least not so I can tell. She is less combative and pulls her hair out less, but still runs around. It only works in combination with a feloway diffuser though, for her. It seems worth trying, to me, because it can't hurt at all and has no long-term side effects, the way pred can.MichelleIn a message dated 4/4/05 11:04:12 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi all,I wrote a while back about my positive (DD) and her overgrooming. I took her to the vet 2 weeks ago and she suggested pred. I know Belinda said that had worked for her cat, but I asked about the benedryl as Michelle had suggested as well. The vet said the benedryl wouldn't work... She said it would make her drowsy but not help. I didn't really get into it with her. She did say if I didn't want to give pred I could try these allergy 'leave in' rinses and lotions. Well I thought that would be the least invasive, so I agreed.DD did NOT appreciate the bath. And as I was having to scruff her to keep her in the sink I don't know how much of the stuff even got on her.I can't tell a real difference, but the vet said to do it once a week.Any ideas? Should I just go with the pred as the bath is stressful?tonya
RE: ot-dogfighting legislation
Hi everyone. I am appy20, Faye Lewis from the board before. I have had email problems and subscription problems, time problemsand was unable to post. I did want to encourage all of you to fight dogfighting from a different angle. In your next election, find out WHO is running for district attorney in your local area.It doesn't hurt to identify all of the electible judges either. Don't omit sheriffs either and police chiefs. Put this issue on their agenda right from the beginning. All the national and state legislation won'tmean a hill of beans unless it is enforced, prosecuted and abjudicated. I live in a section of the state that has a serious dogfighting problem. Our county, however, does not. Why? Because we elected a DA who was very aggressive and worked closely with the Humane Society to rid us of the problem. People actually did jail time here. Dozens of people got prosecuted to the max. Our sheriff departmentis mandated to respond to the problem and to reported dog thefts. It worked. Dogfighters are afraid of our county. Our Humane Society Director said that dogs are not being stolen in our county for fear of drawing attention to themselves either.Not one dog has been stolen in our county in years (except for the rare domestic dispute type cases).If you have true legal recourse, the word gets around and things improve. She said the problem lies in the complacent counties that do not prosecute. During your next election, talk to the candidates. Organize your dog clubs, cat clubs, Humane Society, pet lovers, your neighbors, coworkersand have them ALL approach the candidates. Make it known that you think the problem a priority. This really does work. In fact, it is rather scary at how easy the solution truly is. We are now one of the safest counties in the state when it comes to dogfighting. For those of you who don't think this is a cat issue, please rethink. Some of these sickos use cats as bait animals. "MacKenzie, Kerry N." [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, it's like a knife in the gut every time you hear about it. I will definitely look at this later. Thanks Tonya. Kerry -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of catatonyaSent: Monday, April 04, 2005 9:30 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: ot-dogfighting legislation I don't want to start another PETA battle. But if you're disturbed by dogfighting and cockfighting here is some info. for you. I have a sample letter I wrote at the bottom of the email if you want to modify and use it. The House Bill and the Senate Bill have different numbers, so be sure to put the correct numbers in your correspondence. You can find your senators' and congressman's email very easily by doing a google search. example "us senators email addresses" tPETA [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: "PETA" [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Help Federal Officials Tackle Animal Fighters!Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 10:14:28 -0500Help Federal Officials Tackle Animal Fighters! Dear Friend, Our nation and its animals need your voice today! As you may know, the sadistic blood sports of dogfighting and cockfighting continue in many states. Federal officials have shied away from investigating and prosecuting some of these crimes, citing the weak statute and penalties applicable to such offenses. A vital piece of legislation that will help address this issuethe Animal Fighting Prohibition Enforcement Actwas introduced in the House and the Senate on February 15 and is being reviewed by committees. If they are passed by the Congress, S.382 and H.R.817 will strengthen prohibitions against animal fighting. The transport of animals for fightingcurrently a federal misdemeanor punishable by one year in jailwould become a felony, with offenders facing two years in prison. The legislation would also criminalize the interstate shipment of cockfighting paraphernalia, including the razor-sharp gaffs typically attached to roosters legs before fights. Please contact your senators and representative to express your support for the Animal Fighting Prohibition Enforcement Act today. And please forward this message to others who might be willing to lend their voices to this important issue: Contact information for senators and representatives is available online. Thank you for your compassion for animals and for your willingness to act. Yours sincerely, Daniel PadenDomestic Animal and Wildlife Rescue Information DepartmentPeople for the Ethical Treatment of Animals Dear Congressman Linder, Our nation and its animals need your voice today! As you may know, the sadistic blood sports of dogfighting and cockfighting continue in many states including Georgia wheretheyare illegal. I'm sure you're aware of the major bust here in Georgia where people had brought children to such a gruesome event. I believe it is time for the federal government to get more involved as the people involved cross state lines and put not only their 'fighting
Re: TeeCee's Prognosis from the specialist
I think it sounds great. The main thing is to get the cat to eat SOMETHING. The good thing about the liver shake is that it's very nutritious. I have used it witha sick catbefore andshe was not anemic, just going downhill fast. Also, since A/D is recommended for cats in this situation I think the substitution would work well. The only thing is that I think 'raw' liver is supposed to have some nutrients that are lost during the cooking process, so I would think it would be somewhat better. However, whatever the cat will eat is best of all. I think either version would give more nutrition than just baby food, fancy feast, tuna, etc if the cat will eat it. tTad Burnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I made a modified liver shake with Hills A/D which has liver and V-8...My kitty that had stopped eating did eat that all by herself...Any thoughts as to how it compares...Its much easier to make...Tad[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Liver shake does not help anemia unless it is iron deficiency anemia, which is rare and is probably not what TeeCee has. It's good to use because they will sometimes eat it when they will not eat anything else, and it is nutritious. Michelle In a message dated 4/4/05 10:58:52 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Steph, No great ideas, but I'm sorry for what you're going through with TeeCee. Have you tried the liver shake? It's good for anemia, and some people swear by it. Try to keep positive thoughts. Sometimes things DO turn around. No virus found in this outgoing message.Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.9.2 - Release Date: 4/5/2005
For Faye ot-dogfighting legislation
Title: Message Dogfighters are afraid of our county. Faye, which county is this? Kerry -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lewis FayeSent: Tuesday, April 05, 2005 10:47 AMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: RE: ot-dogfighting legislation Hi everyone. I am appy20, Faye Lewis from the board before. I have had email problems and subscription problems, time problemsand was unable to post. I did want to encourage all of you to fight dogfighting from a different angle. In your next election, find out WHO is running for district attorney in your local area.It doesn't hurt to identify all of the electible judges either. Don't omit sheriffs either and police chiefs. Put this issue on their agenda right from the beginning. All the national and state legislation won'tmean a hill of beans unless it is enforced, prosecuted and abjudicated. I live in a section of the state that has a serious dogfighting problem. Our county, however, does not. Why? Because we elected a DA who was very aggressive and worked closely with the Humane Society to rid us of the problem. People actually did jail time here. Dozens of people got prosecuted to the max. Our sheriff departmentis mandated to respond to the problem and to reported dog thefts. It worked. Dogfighters are afraid of! our county. Our Humane Society Director said that dogs are not being stolen in our county for fear of drawing attention to themselves either.Not one dog has been stolen in our county in years (except for the rare domestic dispute type cases).If you have true legal recourse, the word gets around and things improve. She said the problem lies in the complacent counties that do not prosecute. During your next election, talk to the candidates. Organize your dog clubs, cat clubs, Humane Society, pet lovers, your neighbors, coworkersand have them ALL approach the candidates. Make it known that you think the problem a priority. This really does work. In fact, it is rather scary at how easy the solution truly is. We are now one of the safest counties in the state when it comes to dogfighting. For those of you who don't think this is a cat issue, please rethink. Some of these sickos use cats as bait animals. "MacKenzie, Kerry N." [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, it's like a knife in the gut every time you hear about it. I will definitely look at this later. Thanks Tonya. Kerry -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of catatonyaSent: Monday, April 04, 2005 9:30 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: ot-dogfighting legislation I don't want to start another PETA battle. But if you're disturbed by dogfighting and cockfighting here is some info. for you. I have a sample letter I wrote at the bottom of the email if you want to modify and use it. The House Bill and the Senate Bill have different numbers, so be sure to put the correct numbers in your correspondence. You can find your senators' and congressman's email very easily by doing a google search. example "us senators email addresses" tPETA [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: "PETA" [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Help Federal Officials Tackle Animal Fighters!Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 10:14:28 -0500Help Federal Officials Tackle Animal Fighters! Dear Friend, Our nation and its animals need your voice today! As you may know, the sadistic blood sports of dogfighting and cockfighting continue in many states. Federal officials have shied away from investigating and prosecuting some of these crimes, citing the weak statute and penalties applicable to such offenses. A vital piece of legislation that will help address this issuethe Animal Fighting Prohibition Enforcement Actwas introduced in the House and the Senate on February 15 and is being reviewed by committees. If they are passed by the Congress, S.382 and H.R.817 will strengthen prohibitions against animal fighting. The transport of animals for fightingcurrently a federal misdemeanor punishable by one year in jailwould become a felony, with offenders facing two years in prison. The legislation would also criminalize the interstate shipment of cockfighting paraphernalia, including the razor-sharp gaffs typically attached to roosters legs before fights. Please contact your senators and representative to express your support for the Animal Fighting Prohibition Enforcement Act today. And please forward this message to others who might be willing to lend their voices to this important issue: Contact information for senators and representatives is available online. Thank you for your compassion for animals and for your willingness to act. Yours sincerely, Daniel PadenDomestic Animal and Wildlife
RE: ot-dogfighting legislation
Thank you! Very good advice!!! tonyaLewis Faye [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi everyone. I am appy20, Faye Lewis from the board before. I have had email problems and subscription problems, time problemsand was unable to post. I did want to encourage all of you to fight dogfighting from a different angle. In your next election, find out WHO is running for district attorney in your local area.It doesn't hurt to identify all of the electible judges either. Don't omit sheriffs either and police chiefs. Put this issue on their agenda right from the beginning. All the national and state legislation won'tmean a hill of beans unless it is enforced, prosecuted and abjudicated. I live in a section of the state that has a serious dogfighting problem. Our county, however, does not. Why? Because we elected a DA who was very aggressive and worked closely with the Humane Society to rid us of the problem. People actually did jail time here. Dozens of people got prosecuted to the max. Our sheriff departmentis mandated to respond to the problem and to reported dog thefts. It worked. Dogfighters are afraid of our county. Our Humane Society Director said that dogs are not being stolen in our county for fear of drawing attention to themselves either.Not one dog has been stolen in our county in years (except for the rare domestic dispute type cases).If you have true legal recourse, the word gets around and things improve. She said the problem lies in the complacent counties that do not prosecute. During your next election, talk to the candidates. Organize your dog clubs, cat clubs, Humane Society, pet lovers, your neighbors, coworkersand have them ALL approach the candidates. Make it known that you think the problem a priority. This really does work. In fact, it is rather scary at how easy the solution truly is. We are now one of the safest counties in the state when it comes to dogfighting. For those of you who don't think this is a cat issue, please rethink. Some of these sickos use cats as bait animals. "MacKenzie, Kerry N." [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, it's like a knife in the gut every time you hear about it. I will definitely look at this later. Thanks Tonya. Kerry -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of catatonyaSent: Monday, April 04, 2005 9:30 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: ot-dogfighting legislation I don't want to start another PETA battle. But if you're disturbed by dogfighting and cockfighting here is some info. for you. I have a sample letter I wrote at the bottom of the email if you want to modify and use it. The House Bill and the Senate Bill have different numbers, so be sure to put the correct numbers in your correspondence. You can find your senators' and congressman's email very easily by doing a google search. example "us senators email addresses" tPETA [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: "PETA" [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Help Federal Officials Tackle Animal Fighters!Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 10:14:28 -0500Help Federal Officials Tackle Animal Fighters! Dear Friend, Our nation and its animals need your voice today! As you may know, the sadistic blood sports of dogfighting and cockfighting continue in many states. Federal officials have shied away from investigating and prosecuting some of these crimes, citing the weak statute and penalties applicable to such offenses. A vital piece of legislation that will help address this issuethe Animal Fighting Prohibition Enforcement Actwas introduced in the House and the Senate on February 15 and is being reviewed by committees. If they are passed by the Congress, S.382 and H.R.817 will strengthen prohibitions against animal fighting. The transport of animals for fightingcurrently a federal misdemeanor punishable by one year in jailwould become a felony, with offenders facing two years in prison. The legislation would also criminalize the interstate shipment of cockfighting paraphernalia, including the razor-sharp gaffs typically attached to roosters legs before fights. Please contact your senators and representative to express your support for the Animal Fighting Prohibition Enforcement Act today. And please forward this message to others who might be willing to lend their voices to this important issue: Contact information for senators and representatives is available online. Thank you for your compassion for animals and for your willingness to act. Yours sincerely, Daniel PadenDomestic Animal and Wildlife Rescue Information DepartmentPeople for the Ethical Treatment of Animals Dear Congressman Linder, Our nation and its animals need your voice today! As you may know, the sadistic blood sports of dogfighting and cockfighting continue in many states including Georgia wheretheyare illegal. I'm sure you're aware of the major bust here in Georgia where people had brought children to such a gruesome event. I believe it is time for the federal government to get more involved as
Re: bartonella anyone?
hi tonya, curious, just yesterday I was looking into this as well. Kurt, my elder (10 yo), is again suffering from swollen glands, lack of appetite, and a general bad condition. the blood test showed slight anemia, and hemobartonella, but that does not explain the swollen glands, and I tend to think of bartonella as a possibility. He is taking Doxycicline for hemobart, and his poor stomach suffers, he doesn't retain much food. He is also taking Stomorgyl (brand name,) another antibiotic for anaerobic bugs, for the swelling. he seems better today, after 6 days of treatment and some fluids, but this is the third time this happens in 5 months, so I am really worried. His teeth are not looking good, and he has very bad smell in his mouth. I am guessing this bacteria goes through his system and makes him sick, so I will try a dental after he recovers. If you find more info, plase let me know. macarena, chile
Re: bartonella anyone?
Hey Macarena, I've been searching the internet, and evidently it's relatively new that they've been associating the bartonella with diseases in cats. There's not a lot of information. Mostly what I've read said they've found that treating the bartonella has helped with chronic eye conditions (herpes, uveitis) and with uri's that would not go away with other antibiotics/treatments. My vet said they've found sometimes it causes inflammation of the pancreas and helps diabetic cats to be treated if they're positive. She also said it can cause other chronic infections in the gums or other organs that don't respond to other treatments... That's about all I know except that it IS contagious according to my vet, and more problematic in multiple cat households. It is most often transferred by flea bites, but the vet said not always. I'm still waiting on results. tonyamaca cats [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hi tonya, curious, just yesterday I was looking into this as well. Kurt,my elder (10 yo), is again suffering from swollen glands, lack ofappetite, and a general bad condition. the blood test showed slightanemia, and hemobartonella, but that does not explain the swollenglands, and I tend to think of bartonella as a possibility. He is takingDoxycicline for hemobart, and his poor stomach suffers, he doesn'tretain much food. He is also taking Stomorgyl (brand name,) anotherantibiotic for anaerobic bugs, for the swelling. he seems better today,after 6 days of treatment and some fluids, but this is the third timethis happens in 5 months, so I am really worried. His teeth are notlooking good, and he has very bad smell in his mouth. I am guessing thisbacteria goes through his system and makes him sick, so I will try adental after he recovers. If you find more info, plase let me know.macarena, chile
Re: For Faye ot-dogfighting legislation
Our HS director said the success was due, almost, entirely to the DA's office. She said that in many places, people can make a complaint and nothing will be done about it. Our county got lucky. All of the counties that have dogfighting have far more people against dogfighting than for it but they do not make this an issue. You never hear the subject brought up in elections. The Humane Society contacted our DA office and they set up a sting operation and there were a lot of arrests. The HS has tried with other counties but no one was motivated. However, it doesn't take much to get them motivated at election time."MacKenzie, Kerry N." [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dogfighters are afraid of our county. Faye, which county is this? Kerry -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lewis FayeSent: Tuesday, April 05, 2005 10:47 AMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: RE: ot-dogfighting legislation Hi everyone. I am appy20, Faye Lewis from the board before. I have had email problems and subscription problems, time problemsand was unable to post. I did want to encourage all of you to fight dogfighting from a different angle. In your next election, find out WHO is running for district attorney in your local area.It doesn't hurt to identify all of the electible judges either. Don't omit sheriffs either and police chiefs. Put this issue on their agenda right from the beginning. All the national and state legislation won'tmean a hill of beans unless it is enforced, prosecuted and abjudicated. I live in a section of the state that has a serious dogfighting problem. Our county, however, does not. Why? Because we elected a DA who was very aggressive and worked closely with the Humane Society to rid us of the problem. People actually did jail time here. Dozens of people got prosecuted to the max. Our sheriff departmentis mandated to respond to the problem and to reported dog thefts. It worked. Dogfighters are afraid of! our county. Our Humane Society Director said that dogs are not being stolen in our county for fear of drawing attention to themselves either.Not one dog has been stolen in our county in years (except for the rare domestic dispute type cases).If you have true legal recourse, the word gets around and things improve. She said the problem lies in the complacent counties that do not prosecute. During your next election, talk to the candidates. Organize your dog clubs, cat clubs, Humane Society, pet lovers, your neighbors, coworkersand have them ALL approach the candidates. Make it known that you think the problem a priority. This really does work. In fact, it is rather scary at how easy the solution truly is. We are now one of the safest counties in the state when it comes to dogfighting. For those of you who don't think this is a cat issue, please rethink. Some of these sickos use cats as bait animals. "MacKenzie, Kerry N." [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, it's like a knife in the gut every time you hear about it. I will definitely look at this later. Thanks Tonya. Kerry -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of catatonyaSent: Monday, April 04, 2005 9:30 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: ot-dogfighting legislation I don't want to start another PETA battle. But if you're disturbed by dogfighting and cockfighting here is some info. for you. I have a sample letter I wrote at the bottom of the email if you want to modify and use it. The House Bill and the Senate Bill have different numbers, so be sure to put the correct numbers in your correspondence. You can find your senators' and congressman's email very easily by doing a google search. example "us senators email addresses" tPETA [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: "PETA" [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Help Federal Officials Tackle Animal Fighters!Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 10:14:28 -0500Help Federal Officials Tackle Animal Fighters! Dear Friend, Our nation and its animals need your voice today! As you may know, the sadistic blood sports of dogfighting and cockfighting continue in many states. Federal officials have shied away from investigating and prosecuting some of these crimes, citing the weak statute and penalties applicable to such offenses. A vital piece of legislation that will help address this issuethe Animal Fighting Prohibition Enforcement Actwas introduced in the House and the Senate on February 15 and is being reviewed by committees. If they are passed by the Congress, S.382 and H.R.817 will strengthen prohibitions against animal fighting. The transport of animals for fightingcurrently a federal misdemeanor punishable by one year in jailwould become a felony, with offenders facing two years in prison. The legislation would also criminalize the interstate shipment of cockfighting paraphernalia, including the razor-sharp gaffs typically attached to roosters legs before fights. Please contact your senators and
RE: ot-dogfighting legislation
I have found that local candidates are not hard to bend their ear either. Most of them WANT to talk. Some of them won't shut up. LOL Sometimes it does not take many people to make it happen, just set the stage and if the local HS can follow up on it, you have a really good chance of getting rid of it. catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thank you! Very good advice!!! tonyaLewis Faye [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi everyone. I am appy20, Faye Lewis from the board before. I have had email problems and subscription problems, time problemsand was unable to post. I did want to encourage all of you to fight dogfighting from a different angle. In your next election, find out WHO is running for district attorney in your local area.It doesn't hurt to identify all of the electible judges either. Don't omit sheriffs either and police chiefs. Put this issue on their agenda right from the beginning. All the national and state legislation won'tmean a hill of beans unless it is enforced, prosecuted and abjudicated. I live in a section of the state that has a serious dogfighting problem. Our county, however, does not. Why? Because we elected a DA who was very aggressive and worked closely with the Humane Society to rid us of the problem. People actually did jail time here. Dozens of people got prosecuted to the max. Our sheriff departmentis mandated to respond to the problem and to reported dog thefts. It worked. Dogfighters are afraid of our county. Our Humane Society Director said that dogs are not being stolen in our county for fear of drawing attention to themselves either.Not one dog has been stolen in our county in years (except for the rare domestic dispute type cases).If you have true legal recourse, the word gets around and things improve. She said the problem lies in the complacent counties that do not prosecute. During your next election, talk to the candidates. Organize your dog clubs, cat clubs, Humane Society, pet lovers, your neighbors, coworkersand have them ALL approach the candidates. Make it known that you think the problem a priority. This really does work. In fact, it is rather scary at how easy the solution truly is. We are now one of the safest counties in the state when it comes to dogfighting. For those of you who don't think this is a cat issue, please rethink. Some of these sickos use cats as bait animals. "MacKenzie, Kerry N." [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, it's like a knife in the gut every time you hear about it. I will definitely look at this later. Thanks Tonya. Kerry -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of catatonyaSent: Monday, April 04, 2005 9:30 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: ot-dogfighting legislation I don't want to start another PETA battle. But if you're disturbed by dogfighting and cockfighting here is some info. for you. I have a sample letter I wrote at the bottom of the email if you want to modify and use it. The House Bill and the Senate Bill have different numbers, so be sure to put the correct numbers in your correspondence. You can find your senators' and congressman's email very easily by doing a google search. example "us senators email addresses" tPETA [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: "PETA" [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Help Federal Officials Tackle Animal Fighters!Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 10:14:28 -0500Help Federal Officials Tackle Animal Fighters! Dear Friend, Our nation and its animals need your voice today! As you may know, the sadistic blood sports of dogfighting and cockfighting continue in many states. Federal officials have shied away from investigating and prosecuting some of these crimes, citing the weak statute and penalties applicable to such offenses. A vital piece of legislation that will help address this issuethe Animal Fighting Prohibition Enforcement Actwas introduced in the House and the Senate on February 15 and is being reviewed by committees. If they are passed by the Congress, S.382 and H.R.817 will strengthen prohibitions against animal fighting. The transport of animals for fightingcurrently a federal misdemeanor punishable by one year in jailwould become a felony, with offenders facing two years in prison. The legislation would also criminalize the interstate shipment of cockfighting paraphernalia, including the razor-sharp gaffs typically attached to roosters legs before fights. Please contact your senators and representative to express your support for the Animal Fighting Prohibition Enforcement Act today. And please forward this message to others who might be willing to lend their voices to this important issue: Contact information for senators and representatives is available online. Thank you for your compassion for animals and for your willingness to act. Yours sincerely, Daniel PadenDomestic Animal and Wildlife Rescue Information DepartmentPeople for the Ethical Treatment of Animals Dear Congressman Linder, Our nation and its animals need your
OT: UPDATE ON THOR
Hi All Ok Thor ate some yesterday and now is back to not eating, it is so spuratic I do not know what to think. There is no blood colored discharge from his mouth at all today, I was thinking maybe he is loosing a tooth, but he is still too young he is only 14 weeks old, I am just taking him day by day now. Amber my FeLV positive also seems to be having an ear problem, she scratched it so muchthe hair is gone and now there is a scabchecked for ear mites, she is clean, checked for ear infection, again she is clean, any thoughts? Thanks all Cherie
Re: OT: UPDATE ON THOR
I have a cat that does that because of allergies (ears). He is negative and usually gets pred. when it happens. tonyaCherie A Gabbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi All Ok Thor ate some yesterday and now is back to not eating, it is so spuratic I do not know what to think. There is no blood colored discharge from his mouth at all today, I was thinking maybe he is loosing a tooth, but he is still too young he is only 14 weeks old, I am just taking him day by day now. Amber my FeLV positive also seems to be having an ear problem, she scratched it so muchthe hair is gone and now there is a scabchecked for ear mites, she is clean, checked for ear infection, again she is clean, any thoughts? Thanks all Cherie
RE: OT: need advise again
One of my corona virus positive cats, Simon who is about 7 or 8 years stopped eating since last Friday night all of sudden and he started hiding all of sudden with all of my corona virus positive cats with unknown cause of illness, the first place I go is usually oh my gosh, its FIP and I freak out. Anyway, yesterday I took him to the vet, I was worried how we were going to diagnose him since he is sort of feral and never held him, but he did so well. He just wanted to hide in my jacket, but did very well. Anyway, he did not have a fever which is a good thing and there was no abnormality in tummy area as far as the vet could tell. His inside mouth looked pretty good, too. The blood work came back all normal except that he had a very high total bilirubin of 4.6 (the normal range is between 0.1 and 0.4) any other liver/kidney measurement was normal. He did have higher protein level with higher globulin but I also know that it can be caused by dehydration, too. But the vet was not sure what was causing him an illness. After a shot of penicillin and I also gave him 100ml of fluid, he seems to be feeling a little bit better since he was not hiding this morning and even went outside for a while last night. He also tried to eat a bit. Any idea whats wrong with him? Regardless, please pray that he will get better soon he is already getting skinny (in his hip and hind leg area) and am worried. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of catatonya Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2005 4:13 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: OT: UPDATE ON THOR I have a cat that does that because of allergies (ears). He is negative and usually gets pred. when it happens. tonya Cherie A Gabbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi All Ok Thor ate some yesterday and now is back to not eating, it is so spuratic I do not know what to think. There is no blood colored discharge from his mouth at all today, I was thinking maybe he is loosing a tooth, but he is still too young he is only 14 weeks old, I am just taking him day by day now. Amber my FeLV positive also seems to be having an ear problem, she scratched it so muchthe hair is gone and now there is a scabchecked for ear mites, she is clean, checked for ear infection, again she is clean, any thoughts? Thanks all Cherie
Re: OT: need advise again
Dear Hideyo I don't have enough experience to know what may be wrong, but I am sending lots of positive healing vibes for Simon. Are you assist feedinghim? Or trying an appetite stimulant? Catnip isone appetite stimulant I believe, and I know there are others that have been mentioned on the list. I'm sure you know and are doing all this already. Also, if he doesn't improve, unless you totally totally trust your vet, I wouldsee another vet and hope to get a diagnosis. Sorry I can't offer any suggestions as to what it may be, Hideyo but I'm sure others will pitch in. Big hugs to the little sweetheart, hope he continues to improve ~~love and hugs to you too,Kerry - Original Message - From: Hideyo Yamamoto To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2005 5:46 PM Subject: RE: OT: need advise again One of my corona virus positive cats, Simon who is about 7 or 8 years stopped eating since last Friday night all of sudden and he started hiding all of sudden with all of my corona virus positive cats with unknown cause of illness, the first place I go is usually oh my gosh, its FIP and I freak out. Anyway, yesterday I took him to the vet, I was worried how we were going to diagnose him since he is sort of feral and never held him, but he did so well. He just wanted to hide in my jacket, but did very well. Anyway, he did not have a fever which is a good thing and there was no abnormality in tummy area as far as the vet could tell. His inside mouth looked pretty good, too. The blood work came back all normal except that he had a very high total bilirubin of 4.6 (the normal range is between 0.1 and 0.4) any other liver/kidney measurement was normal. He did have higher protein level with higher globulin but I also know that it can be caused by dehydration, too. But the vet was not sure what was causing him an illness. After a shot of penicillin and I also gave him 100ml of fluid, he seems to be feeling a little bit better since he was not hiding this morning and even went outside for a while last night. He also tried to eat a bit. Any idea whats wrong with him? Regardless, please pray that he will get better soon he is already getting skinny (in his hip and hind leg area) and am worried. -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of catatonyaSent: Tuesday, April 05, 2005 4:13 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: OT: UPDATE ON THOR I have a cat that does that because of allergies (ears). He is negative and usually gets pred. when it happens. tonyaCherie A Gabbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi All Ok Thor ate some yesterday and now is back to not eating, it is so spuratic I do not know what to think. There is no blood colored discharge from his mouth at all today, I was thinking maybe he is loosing a tooth, but he is still too young he is only 14 weeks old, I am just taking him day by day now. Amber my FeLV positive also seems to be having an ear problem, she scratched it so muchthe hair is gone and now there is a scabchecked for ear mites, she is clean, checked for ear infection, again she is clean, any thoughts? Thanks all Cherie
RE: OT: need advise again
Thank you, Kerry. Simon and I appreciate your thought very much. If he doesnt seem to want to eat again tonight I will definitely try to assist feed him The vet gave him some V-B shot, hoping that it might help his appetite but I will try the cat nip also. I first thought it was impossible to give him fluid (not knowing how feral he is shame on me, I now have had him for 3 years, and still did not know), but I put a carrier in the bathroom and opened the carrier, and he just sat there without resisting to it, as I gave him fluid and some vitamin liquid with syringe Its hard not to know whats bothering them, and I wish I could tell so that I can do everything I can to make him feel better. Again, thank you so much, Kerry, you are so kind, as always. Hideyo -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kerry MacKenzie Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2005 5:47 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: OT: need advise again Dear Hideyo I don't have enough experience to know what may be wrong, but I am sending lots of positive healing vibes for Simon. Are you assist feedinghim? Or trying an appetite stimulant? Catnip isone appetite stimulant I believe, and I know there are others that have been mentioned on the list. I'm sure you know and are doing all this already. Also, if he doesn't improve, unless you totally totally trust your vet, I wouldsee another vet and hope to get a diagnosis. Sorry I can't offer any suggestions as to what it may be, Hideyo but I'm sure others will pitch in. Big hugs to the little sweetheart, hope he continues to improve ~~love and hugs to you too,Kerry - Original Message - From: Hideyo Yamamoto To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2005 5:46 PM Subject: RE: OT: need advise again One of my corona virus positive cats, Simon who is about 7 or 8 years stopped eating since last Friday night all of sudden and he started hiding all of sudden with all of my corona virus positive cats with unknown cause of illness, the first place I go is usually oh my gosh, its FIP and I freak out. Anyway, yesterday I took him to the vet, I was worried how we were going to diagnose him since he is sort of feral and never held him, but he did so well. He just wanted to hide in my jacket, but did very well. Anyway, he did not have a fever which is a good thing and there was no abnormality in tummy area as far as the vet could tell. His inside mouth looked pretty good, too. The blood work came back all normal except that he had a very high total bilirubin of 4.6 (the normal range is between 0.1 and 0.4) any other liver/kidney measurement was normal. He did have higher protein level with higher globulin but I also know that it can be caused by dehydration, too. But the vet was not sure what was causing him an illness. After a shot of penicillin and I also gave him 100ml of fluid, he seems to be feeling a little bit better since he was not hiding this morning and even went outside for a while last night. He also tried to eat a bit. Any idea whats wrong with him? Regardless, please pray that he will get better soon he is already getting skinny (in his hip and hind leg area) and am worried. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of catatonya Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2005 4:13 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: OT: UPDATE ON THOR I have a cat that does that because of allergies (ears). He is negative and usually gets pred. when it happens. tonya Cherie A Gabbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi All Ok Thor ate some yesterday and now is back to not eating, it is so spuratic I do not know what to think. There is no blood colored discharge from his mouth at all today, I was thinking maybe he is loosing a tooth, but he is still too young he is only 14 weeks old, I am just taking him day by day now. Amber my FeLV positive also seems to be having an ear problem, she scratched it so muchthe hair is gone and now there is a scabchecked for ear mites, she is clean, checked for ear infection, again she is clean, any thoughts? Thanks all Cherie
RE: OT: need advise again
I had 4 corona virus+ cats. They all lived long and normal lives and never developed FIP, so I think you should stop worrying quite so much about all of that. Every once in a while, for no apparent reason, one of them would get far too quiet and stop eating. After trying many other treatments, I finally, on the advice of my Vet, simply gave prednisone for a week or two to whomever was behaving this way. The corona virus seems to cause inflammation and the prednisone gets rid of it. I also force fed when necessary. None of those cats ever got plump. From time to time one of them would get pretty skinny, but they made it through their lives happily and FIP-free. Kathy : One of my corona virus positive cats, Simon who is about 7 or 8 years stopped eating since last Friday night all of sudden and he started hiding all of sudden - with all of my corona virus positive cats with unknown cause of illness, the first place I go is usually oh my gosh, it's FIP - and I freak out. : : Anyway, yesterday I took him to the vet, I was worried how we were going to diagnose him since he is sort of feral and never held him, but he did so well. He just wanted to hide in my jacket, but did very well. Anyway, he did not have a fever which is a good thing and there was no abnormality in tummy area as far as the vet could tell. His inside mouth looked pretty good, too. The blood work came back all normal except that he had a very high total bilirubin of 4.6 (the normal range is between 0.1 and 0.4) - any other liver/kidney measurement was normal. He did have higher protein level with higher globulin - but I also know that it can be caused by dehydration, too. But the vet was not sure what was causing him an illness. : After a shot of penicillin and I also gave him 100ml of fluid, he seems to be feeling a little bit better since he was not hiding this morning and even went outside for a while last night. He also tried to eat a bit. Any idea what's wrong with him? : Regardless, please pray that he will get better soon - he is already getting skinny (in his hip and hind leg area) and am worried.
