date:20050615

Title: Message

Dear Kathy
Thank you for your input re VAS and your
incredibly moving (and funny---that Redbud!) story of how your present cat
family came to be.Your kittiesare all wonderful, but that little
Legolas...wow...what a character. What an amazing, strongbond you two had.

But
you have been to hell and back too. I am really sorry you feel so racked with
guilt. You were doing the best you could. I suspect it's the angelhearted that,
unfairly,always suffer the most guilt. Agonizing about past decisions that
many others would not think twice about.
Small
consolation, but reading your story helps meso much with my ongoing
decision to keep my original negs and positives separate. I realize I'm in the
minority, but I have to do what I'm comfortable with. I don't like the fact that
I have to keep thepositivesconfined tomy 2nd bedroom. But I
would like it even less if my negs (who were established for years
beforemy positives arrived) got VAS because I started Felv-vaccinating
them again-I stopped FeLV-vaccinating on my vet's advice, once he knew they
had become indoor cats-or if they contracted Felv through contact with my
positives. I wouldn't be able to forgive myself if either of those things
happened.
I have no dilemma in keeping the one
negative cat (Momcat) with the positives, because they all came to me together
as a colony, and had been together and supported each other in the streets long
before I met them; thus she had already been exposed. The fact they're feral makes a big difference too---it
would have been very wrong of me to separate her from them when they all derive
most of their companionship from each other. Momcat, in fact,was the most
fearful of all when she came to me---I never saw her for the first 3 months, she
just lived below the bed, only coming out to play with the others when I wasn't
there. (I occasionally would see her tail as she leapt below the bed again
whenever I opened the door.) There was no decision to make---I felt it would
have been very cruel to separate her. Andshe has nowtested negative
twice. I try to remind myself that
at least in the bedroom, which I've turned into a catroom anyway, they are
better off than in the Chicago streets, especially the Chicago winter--which is
where and when they were found by the original rescuer--and they never have to
worry again about food and warmth and medical attention.
You are an angel for loving and caring for
so many furballs, especially the ones that nobody wants. I hope you'll
eventually be able tofindpeace, come to termswith past
decisions made. You have done way more than most on this planetfor
homeless animals, and you deserve a big break.
Big
hugs to you and all your furballs,
Kerry

-Original Message-From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2005
9:48 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: New
member
Jenn,

I agree with you that FeLV isn't easy to catch and isn't cause for
immediate panic, but it can be caught among healthy normal adults. I don't
vaccinate for FeLV because my vet said that the vaccine doesn't boost immunity
enough to be worth the risks - once exposed, it only boosts immunity by about 1%
- and most of my guys were exposed initially for 6 weeks in 2000,VAS has
been linked to FeLV vaccine more than to any other, and the cost is prohibitive
for large numbers of cats to be vaccinated. Even before the exposure
event, the vet had not encouraged me to vaccinate for FeLV because he said the
only people pushing the FeLV vaccine anymore were the schools who developed it
and vets out to make a quick buck. He felt the riskof VAS from the
vaccine was greater than the risk of FeLV because roughly 80% of the population
is naturally immune. Theoretically, had I tested all new arrivals before
letting them in, we could prevent exposure pretty effectively and more cost
efficiently than with vaccinating. I still think the VAS risk outweighs
the convenience of letting my guys all live together in one group - but that's
just my decision based on my own fears and paranoia's - and guilt from other
events. With everything we've been through here, I don't think I could
take finding out even one of my negatives had cancer because of a vaccine to let
my groups live together when keeping them separate and unvaccinated (for FeLV
only - they get the other vaccines according to the new protocols) has worked
well so far.

Here's how I ended up withFeLV here.

On 12/29/99, I brought home a kitten to be socialized that looked to be 6
weeks old and was too small for my vet to test (he didn't have needles small
enough for the blood draw). Since the kitten looked completely healthy
after the first 3 days, I let him have run of the house with my other 26 cats at
the time- ranging in age from less than a year to 9 years. My other
cats were all FEV/FeLV negative and were in near show

Re: Re: to anwer belinda' s questions :)

2005-06-15 Thread ferozar01

thank you Belinda

From: Belinda Sauro [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 2005/06/15 Wed AM 12:53:56 EDT
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: to anwer belinda' s questions :)

Hi Kristi,
   I'm so sorry that he is in such bad shape, I did somehow miss all of 
that.  It's too bad he is such a stinker with the chemo, lymphoma is one 
of the cancers that responds pretty good to chemo.  I hope the depo 
helps and he can be comfortable for a long time yet.  My prayers are 
with you.

-- 
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RE: nutrition info

Title: RE: nutrition info






Hi all

can anyone confirm that the ingreds in Vit Min Mixyeast powder, kelp powder, lecithin granules, wheat bran, bonemeal--- are safe for a 9 week kitten--Niki's Ziggy in this case? I don't have my reference to hand (and not sure it mentions age anyway).

Thanks!

Kerry





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FW: a home for Blind Kitten

This is a response from Teresa about the blind kitty - just as FYI

-Original Message-
From: Hideyo Yamamoto 
Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2005 9:50 AM
To: 'Teresa J Ribble'
Subject: RE: a home for Blind Kitten

Thank you so much, it will make us (people on the list who care about
this blind kitten) feel very relieved if you can keep him safe (ideally
indoor)until Kat can come get him!  We all look forward to receiving an
updated report on the kitty from Kat once he picks him up on Sunday -
again thank you for reaching out to find a better life for this little
guy - 

Hideyo

-Original Message-
From: Teresa J Ribble [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2005 9:49 PM
To: Hideyo Yamamoto
Subject: Re: a home for Blind Kitten

I will make some arrangement to keep him safe until then. There is no
need for you to pay for anything, although I do appreciate the offer. I
just want to find him a good home  better situation than he would be in
as a barn cat. I understand that he would not lead a very good quality
of
life as a barn cat, hence my decision to find him a home.
Thank you again
Teresa

On Tue, 14 Jun 2005 13:55:43 -0600 Hideyo Yamamoto
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 Hi, Teresa, Kat just told me that she is going to pick up the kitten
 from you this Sunday, I am writing to see if there is anyway to keep 
 him
 in a bathroom or something until she gets there - or maybe he can 
 stay
 at a clinic who will watch him until you get there - I wouldn't 
 even
 mind paying for the cost as long as it's a good place and make sure 
 to
 take care of him
 until she arrives- I would really appreciate if you could consider 
 it as
 the situation you described in the email - bumping into things or 
 being
 stepped by horses really concern me of his safety - again please let 
 me
 know if I could pay for anything which may involve to make sure of 
 his
 safety - thank you.

 Hideyo Yamamoto
 505-839-3287
 1-800-396-9896 X13287

 -Original Message-
 From: Hideyo Yamamoto 
 Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2005 11:16 AM
 To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
 Subject: FW: a home for Blind Kitten 

 Please call me about the blind kitten - see the below email message 
 - 
 505-839-3287 (wk) or 1-800-396-9896 X13287 - I live in NM
 Thank you!

Re: home for Blind Kitten

2005-06-15 Thread ferozar01

i am so happy the blind kitten will soon find love and compassion..good jobs to 
everyone who is helping Kristi

From: Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 2005/06/15 Wed AM 11:51:20 EDT
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: FW: a home for Blind Kitten

This is a response from Teresa about the blind kitty - just as FYI

-Original Message-
From: Hideyo Yamamoto 
Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2005 9:50 AM
To: 'Teresa J Ribble'
Subject: RE: a home for Blind Kitten

Thank you so much, it will make us (people on the list who care about
this blind kitten) feel very relieved if you can keep him safe (ideally
indoor)until Kat can come get him!  We all look forward to receiving an
updated report on the kitty from Kat once he picks him up on Sunday -
again thank you for reaching out to find a better life for this little
guy - 

Hideyo

-Original Message-
From: Teresa J Ribble [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2005 9:49 PM
To: Hideyo Yamamoto
Subject: Re: a home for Blind Kitten

I will make some arrangement to keep him safe until then. There is no
need for you to pay for anything, although I do appreciate the offer. I
just want to find him a good home  better situation than he would be in
as a barn cat. I understand that he would not lead a very good quality
of
life as a barn cat, hence my decision to find him a home.
Thank you again
Teresa

On Tue, 14 Jun 2005 13:55:43 -0600 Hideyo Yamamoto
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 Hi, Teresa, Kat just told me that she is going to pick up the kitten
 from you this Sunday, I am writing to see if there is anyway to keep 
 him
 in a bathroom or something until she gets there - or maybe he can 
 stay
 at a clinic who will watch him until you get there - I wouldn't 
 even
 mind paying for the cost as long as it's a good place and make sure 
 to
 take care of him
 until she arrives- I would really appreciate if you could consider 
 it as
 the situation you described in the email - bumping into things or 
 being
 stepped by horses really concern me of his safety - again please let 
 me
 know if I could pay for anything which may involve to make sure of 
 his
 safety - thank you.

 Hideyo Yamamoto
 505-839-3287
 1-800-396-9896 X13287

 -Original Message-
 From: Hideyo Yamamoto 
 Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2005 11:16 AM
 To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
 Subject: FW: a home for Blind Kitten 

 Please call me about the blind kitten - see the below email message 
 - 
 505-839-3287 (wk) or 1-800-396-9896 X13287 - I live in NM
 Thank you!

RE: nutrition info

Title: RE: nutrition info








I dont remember seeing any mentions
about that its not safe for kittens the only thing I read is that
sometimes, some can be allergic to yeast powder, but I have not had any
problems with any of my little guys in the past - 



Heres a brief description I
extracted from on line just as FYI




 
  
  
   

Halo Anitra's Vita-Mineral Mix

   
  
  
  
 
 
  
  
   

A
delicious supplement, made of all raw food ingredients to enhance the
nutritional value of your pet's meal. Holistic Veterinarians agree there's
nothing better for your pet than a natural, raw food diet. Easy to digest,
even for ailing or senior dogs and cats. Promotes health and cleanliness
both inside the intestines and outside on the skin. Eliminates dandruff,
excess shedding and oily coat. Frequently copied, but never equaled,
contains nutritional yeast, wheat bran, lecithin, calcium lactate (for calm
nerves) and montmorillonite (a source of trace minerals). Safe for dogs,
cats and other furry friends.

   
  
  
  
 














From:
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of MacKenzie, Kerry N.
Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2005
9:30 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: RE: nutrition info





Hi
all 
can
anyone confirm that the ingreds in Vit Min Mixyeast powder, kelp powder, lecithin granules, wheat bran,
bonemeal--- are safe for a 9 week kitten--Niki's Ziggy in this case?
I don't have my reference to hand (and not sure it mentions age anyway).

Thanks!

Kerry














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RE: nutrition info

Title: Message



Thanks 
Hideyo!
Not 
sure where the montmorillonite came from--the recipe in the book I have she says 
kelp. Which did you use?
Certainly that recipe -- the one with kelp -- worked wonders on mine. 
They're turning their noses up at it, and wet food now, but at least they still 
look really great compared to when I got them.

-Original Message-From: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
On Behalf Of Hideyo YamamotoSent: Wednesday, June 15, 2005 
11:01 AMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: RE: 
nutrition info

I dont remember seeing 
any mentions about that its not safe for kittens the only thing I read is that 
sometimes, some can be allergic to yeast powder, but I have not had any problems 
with any of my little guys in the past - 

Heres a brief 
description I extracted from on line just as FYI


  
  

  


  
Halo 
Anitra's Vita-Mineral Mix
  
  

  


  
A 
delicious supplement, made of all raw food ingredients to enhance 
the nutritional value of your pet's meal. Holistic Veterinarians 
agree there's nothing better for your pet than a natural, raw food 
diet. Easy to digest, even for ailing or senior dogs and cats. 
Promotes health and cleanliness both inside the intestines and 
outside on the skin. Eliminates dandruff, excess shedding and oily 
coat. Frequently copied, but never equaled, contains nutritional 
yeast, wheat bran, lecithin, calcium lactate (for calm nerves) and 
montmorillonite (a source of trace minerals). Safe for dogs, cats 
and other furry friends.
  






From: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
On Behalf Of MacKenzie, Kerry 
N.Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 
2005 9:30 AMTo: 
felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: RE: nutrition 
info

Hi 
all can anyone confirm that the ingreds 
in Vit Min Mixyeast 
powder, kelp powder, lecithin granules, wheat bran, 
bonemeal--- are safe for a 9 week 
kitten--Niki's Ziggy in this case? I don't have my reference to hand (and not 
sure it mentions age anyway).
Thanks! Kerry 





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RE: nutrition info

Title: Message








I also have used Kelp  this must be
a new recipe that Anitra sells through Halo - 











From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of MacKenzie, Kerry N.
Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2005
10:45 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: RE: nutrition info







Thanks Hideyo!





Not sure where the montmorillonite came
from--the recipe in the book I have she says kelp. Which did you use?





Certainly that recipe -- the one with kelp
-- worked wonders on mine. They're turning their noses up at it, and wet food
now, but at least they still look really great compared to when I got them.





-Original Message-
From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Hideyo Yamamoto
Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2005
11:01 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: RE: nutrition info



I dont remember seeing any mentions
about that its not safe for kittens the only thing I read is that
sometimes, some can be allergic to yeast powder, but I have not had any
problems with any of my little guys in the past - 



Heres a brief description I
extracted from on line just as FYI




 
  
  
   

Halo Anitra's Vita-Mineral Mix

   
  
  
  
 
 
  
  
   

A
delicious supplement, made of all raw food ingredients to enhance the
nutritional value of your pet's meal. Holistic Veterinarians agree there's
nothing better for your pet than a natural, raw food diet. Easy to digest,
even for ailing or senior dogs and cats. Promotes health and cleanliness
both inside the intestines and outside on the skin. Eliminates dandruff,
excess shedding and oily coat. Frequently copied, but never equaled,
contains nutritional yeast, wheat bran, lecithin, calcium lactate (for calm
nerves) and montmorillonite (a source of trace minerals). Safe for dogs,
cats and other furry friends.

   
  
  
  
 














From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of MacKenzie, Kerry N.
Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2005
9:30 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: RE: nutrition info





Hi
all 
can
anyone confirm that the ingreds in Vit Min Mixyeast powder, kelp powder, lecithin granules, wheat bran,
bonemeal--- are safe for a 9 week kitten--Niki's Ziggy in this case?
I don't have my reference to hand (and not sure it mentions age anyway).

Thanks!

Kerry












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Yes, I 
guess...interesting, wonder why the change. 

-Original Message-From: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
On Behalf Of Hideyo YamamotoSent: Wednesday, June 15, 2005 
11:48 AMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: RE: 
nutrition info

I also have used Kelp  
this must be a new recipe that Anitra sells through Halo - 






From: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
On Behalf Of MacKenzie, Kerry 
N.Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 
2005 10:45 AMTo: 
felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: RE: nutrition 
info


Thanks 
Hideyo!

Not sure where the 
montmorillonite came from--the recipe in the book I have she says kelp. Which 
did you use?

Certainly that recipe 
-- the one with kelp -- worked wonders on mine. They're turning their noses up 
at it, and wet food now, but at least they still look really great compared to 
when I got them.

-Original 
Message-From: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
On Behalf Of Hideyo 
YamamotoSent: Wednesday, June 
15, 2005 11:01 AMTo: 
felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: RE: nutrition 
info
I dont remember seeing 
any mentions about that its not safe for kittens the only thing I read is that 
sometimes, some can be allergic to yeast powder, but I have not had any problems 
with any of my little guys in the past - 

Heres a brief 
description I extracted from on line just as FYI


  
  

  


  
Halo 
Anitra's Vita-Mineral Mix
  
  

  


  
A 
delicious supplement, made of all raw food ingredients to enhance 
the nutritional value of your pet's meal. Holistic Veterinarians 
agree there's nothing better for your pet than a natural, raw food 
diet. Easy to digest, even for ailing or senior dogs and cats. 
Promotes health and cleanliness both inside the intestines and 
outside on the skin. Eliminates dandruff, excess shedding and oily 
coat. Frequently copied, but never equaled, contains nutritional 
yeast, wheat bran, lecithin, calcium lactate (for calm nerves) and 
montmorillonite (a source of trace minerals). Safe for dogs, cats 
and other furry friends.
  






From: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
On Behalf Of MacKenzie, Kerry 
N.Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 
2005 9:30 AMTo: 
felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: RE: nutrition 
info

Hi 
all can anyone confirm that the ingreds 
in Vit Min Mixyeast 
powder, kelp powder, lecithin granules, wheat bran, 
bonemeal--- are safe for a 9 week 
kitten--Niki's Ziggy in this case? I don't have my reference to hand (and not 
sure it mentions age anyway).
Thanks! Kerry 





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 Maw LLP is moving our Chicago office to the Hyatt 
Center, 71 S. Wacker Drive, Chicago, Illinois 
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RE: [FivCats] Re: Cooling Off Kitty









Yes, I do  I have one FeLv girl,
too. There is an excellent support group for FeLV+ kittie parents and I am forwarding
your message to this group  please join us  you will just LOVE
this group. To the list member for FeLV kitties, please email her the
encouragement to her  Linda you are not alone in this at all  we are
all here for you!!











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Subject: Re: [FivCats] Re: Cooling
Off Kitty





Just took a sweet stray to vet today for neuter, about 8
months old, long hair tiger grey, he was pos for leukemia, vet suggested
euthanasia, i said no i have one other cat that is pos, for 3 or 4 years and he
will stay with him, do u think i did the right thing, I will care for him until
he gets ill then i will put him down, just could not do it. 
Linda 







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FW: false positives for feLV tests









I am forwarding this infor from other list
 I found it interesting  are you guys aware of it?











From:
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Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2005
11:42 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [FivCats] Re: Cooling
Off Kitty/Fleuk kitty





Thats very interesting, Kathy
 it happens a lot with FIV ELISA testing, too from my experience 


Again, even if he is positive now, there
is a pretty good chance to he is in just transient transmission and he might
become negative, too  please read the article I sent to you earlier for
more detail infor  thanks.



Hideyo











From:
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Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2005
11:38 AM
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Subject: Re: [FivCats] Re: Cooling
Off Kitty/Fleuk kitty







I would do the same as you. Keep in mind that there are many false
positives with this test. In addition, the San Fran shelter no longer tests as
they were killing too many cats that could have lived long and happy lives. I
will try to find the article and post it or mail it to you when I locate it.
(RIght now I am in hurricane preparation mode so all is upside down). 











Anyway, they did exhaustive research and found out that a large
percentage of cats that tested positive were not positive. And, of those that
were, only 10% became ill and died of fel leuk - the rest died of natural
causes. 











You might want to put that kitty oninterferon - I have a friend
who cares for a large group of fel leuk positives andshe always gives
them interferon to helpboost the immune system. 











I have several cats that are positive and they are still going strong
after ten years. Follow your heart and keep that baby with you as long as
possible. 











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Just took a sweet stray to vet today for neuter, about
8 months old, long hair tiger grey, he was pos for leukemia, vet suggested
euthanasia, i said no i have one other cat that is pos, for 3 or 4 years and he
will stay with him, do u think i did the right thing, I will care for him until
he gets ill then i will put him down, just could not do it. 
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This is what the vet said...

2005-06-15 Thread EWagner7701

I just got back from the vet with Tom... You all know so much, tell me what you think about what he said. Tom originally tested + on last Friday, but I read an article that they should have a retest right away with a different type of test (IFA, since Tom had a ELISA snap test). The vet said that no, we cannot retest until 30 days, but then if it is negative, all that means is that it may have moved to his marrow. I was hoping to hear that some cats fight it off. I think I read that too. So all we really did was rabies/distemper and a heartworm test. Does all this sound right? There is another vet in the same office that is more specialized with cats, but he was in surgery today.
Thanks for any tips!
Erika  Tom

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Any more animal communication questions?

2005-06-15 Thread Kathleen A. Berard









Hi, everyone. I just wanted to see if there are any more
questions; I will be signing off Thursday night as I am traveling to Dallas to teach a
workshop.



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RE: This is what the vet said...

2005-06-15 Thread Chris









Your
instincts are rightthis vet doesnt sound like he knows what hes
talking about! Both my pos were tested with IFA almost immediately after
pos Elissa. If the IFA is neg, then retesting at various intervals is in
order in the archives there is a chart that talks about discordant
results  what they mean.There is also a list of vets posted
by members in felineleukemia.org sitemaybe theres someone near
you. Its tough to find a vet who is really knowledgeablenot unlike
how tough it is to find a great doctor!





Chris

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Subject: This is what the vet
said...



I
just got back from the vet with Tom... You all know so much, tell me what
you think about what he said. Tom originally tested + on last Friday, but
I read an article that they should have a retest right away with a different
type of test (IFA, since Tom had a ELISA snap test). The vet said that
no, we cannot retest until 30 days, but then if it is negative, all that means
is that it may have moved to his marrow. I was hoping to hear that some
cats fight it off. I think I read that too. So all we really did
was rabies/distemper and a heartworm test. Does all this sound
right? There is another vet in the same office that is more specialized
with cats, but he was in surgery today.
Thanks for any tips!
Erika  Tom

When
the defining moment comes, either you define the moment, or the moment defines
you.

Re: This is what the vet said...

2005-06-15 Thread TenHouseCats

i don't think you have to wait 30 days, but unless you have some
idea of when the cat was exposed, a positive test may mean
nothing--just as a negative may not, for that matter--80% of healthy
adults seem to throw off the virus, so knowing at what stage you're
testing is the only way to know if a test is likely to be reliable...
a cat could be positive on the snap, negative on the IFA--and in 3
months, test differently.. this just points up the need for
retesting, which is an unrealistic thing for most
rescues/shelters. unfortunately, it works the other way, too--a
cat could test negative because it was just exposed and it's not
showing up on the snap yet

-- 
MaryChristine

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OT: does anyone live near okeechobee florida that could check out a rescue for me?

2005-06-15 Thread Barbara Lowe




just curious if anyone on list is in florida 
area? a friend of a friend has been sending $ to a rescue there but never 
saw it. and after the Angels Wings fiasco, figured better check it out. 

thanks for reading.
barbara

RE: This is what the vet said...

2005-06-15 Thread Chris


unfortunately, it works the other way, too--a
cat could test negative because it was just exposed and it's not
showing up on the snap yet

Unfortunately, I believe this is what happened to my Tucson  only served to
show me that out of all those cats that people get as kittens, there are
probably a whole lot who really are pos--not to mention, how many people who
have indoor-outdoor cats have them checked every year!  Kind of makes it
impossible to really adress 'life expectancy' questions for FELV+.  Bottom
line, this disease has been around forever  we have all had cats who we
loved dearly without ever knowing if they were pos or not!

Chris
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Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2005 4:13 PM
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Subject: Re: This is what the vet said...

i don't think you have to wait 30 days, but unless you have some
idea of when the cat was exposed, a positive test may mean
nothing--just as a negative may not, for that matter--80% of healthy
adults seem to throw off the virus, so knowing at what stage you're
testing is the only way to know if a test is likely to be reliable...
a cat could be positive on the snap, negative on the IFA--and in 3
months, test differently.. this just points up the need for
retesting, which is an unrealistic thing for most
rescues/shelters. unfortunately, it works the other way, too--a
cat could test negative because it was just exposed and it's not
showing up on the snap yet

-- 
MaryChristine

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ICQ: 289856892

RE: does anyone live near okeechobee florida that could check out arescue for me?

2005-06-15 Thread Doljan, Joan

Title: Message



What 
is the name of the sanctuary. I know a woman whose brother runs 
one.

  
  -Original Message-From: Barbara Lowe 
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  PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: OT: does 
  anyone live near okeechobee florida that could check out arescue for 
  me?
  just curious if anyone on list is in florida 
  area? a friend of a friend has been sending $ to a rescue there but 
  never saw it. and after the Angels Wings fiasco, figured better check it out. 
  
  thanks for reading.
  barbara

RE: does anyone live near okeechobee florida that could check out a rescue for me?

2005-06-15 Thread Chris










There are a bunch of Rescue groups on
Yahoo  probably one for Florida/Southeast maybe your friend could
check there as well..





Chris

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Subject: OT: does anyone live near
okeechobee florida that could check out a rescue for me?





just curious if anyone on list is in
florida area? a friend of a friend has been sending $ to a rescue there
but never saw it. and after the Angels Wings fiasco, figured better check it
out. 





thanks for reading.





barbara

Re: OT: does anyone live near okeechobee florida that could check out a rescue for me?

2005-06-15 Thread TenHouseCats

i've got rescue friends in FL, too, barbara, so if i can help let me
know (tried to email you directly but you're over quota!)

-- 
MaryChristine

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Re: FW: false positives for feLV tests

2005-06-15 Thread Belinda Sauro


  Hideyo,

   Never saw any proof of it but have suspected something along those 
lines, if she finds the article and send it to you or that list, I would 
like a copy.


--
Belinda
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Be-Mi-Kitties ...
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Re: Any more animal communication questions?

2005-06-15 Thread Belinda Sauro


  Have a nice trip, see you when you get back!

--
Belinda
Happiness is being owned by cats ...

Be-Mi-Kitties ...
http://www.bemikitties.com

Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens
http://adopt.bemikitties.com

FeLV Candle Light Service
http://www.bemikitties.com/cls

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Transfer Factor

2005-06-15 Thread Lomaxturtle




Hi 

It's too early to say yet so I don't want to run before I can walk here but 
Bramble has been on the Transfer Factor noe since Saturday and his coat is 
shining. His coat was always dull and full of dandruff - the dandruff is going 
and his coat is shining and feels so silky. He has jumped on the bed twice today 
himself and got comfy and is beside me now. He is blind when the light is on and 
has to feel his way around bless himbut can see at least something some of 
the time when it is dull which I why I suspect he is still having mild seizures. 
He seems happier although still confused and freaked bythe other 
catswhen he can't see as they brush up against him but he trusts me so 
much to guide him. He had been scratching a patch under his ear at the side of 
his face too so seeing as though he will be earmite free after the syringe and 
the recent revolution dilema - I suspected his food may be doing it - also his 
dental problems may have been irritating him -although that should have 
resolved due to dental extractions and weeks of antibiotics. I changed his food 
now too over to the organic whiskers and that patch seems to be healing. I know 
many suggest a home cooked diet but I can't bare to cook or handle much meat. I 
am vegan and emptying cat food out of a packet, cutting up ready cooked chicken 
chunks, or scrapingshreaded fish out of a tin is about as much as I can 
handle.

Poor littleboy decided he wanted to pee when I was changing the 
litterso he just squatted on the floor wherehis litter tray usually 
are - at least he knew where he was. 

I am going to go and see the vet next week over his eyes and take some info 
with me. I also bought her a book on transfer factor. Hopefully when I tell her 
of his improvement she will believe me and not the other vet. I'm going to ask 
about getting the FeLV cat on interferon too. If that is not an option then I'll 
buy it online and dilute myself with the direction of you guys who are already 
doing it.

Fingers crossed and still praying which I have been doing every day and 
night. It was strange - one night when I prayed for a signal to tell me what is 
right for Bramble - I had a dreamwhere my recently deceased baby girl 
Tidge appeared and a male voice was at the back of her saying keep trying.

I have since had many strange dreams but that's nothing new (Bramble says 
mummy is just strange).

Michelle, Bramble, Minstrel  Buddy

Cats and dogs in danger

2005-06-15 Thread Lomaxturtle




I need to mention that also anyone in Florida (will find out which area) I 
have a friend who is a volunteer at a local sanctuary who are a non-kill shelter 
for cats and dogs they set up because they thought that kill shelters are 
barbaric and they wanted to save the animals and quite rightly. Her friend Rita 
rents the land where they built the sanctuary. Now the land owner wants the land 
back and has given them to the end of June to move with all the animals. 
Needless to say they are devasted and really worried as they cannot afford to 
set up from scratch elsewhere and if they don't move then animal control will 
come in and most likely take all the animals to kill shelters. So if people have 
room for one ar two more animals or know people that do or hear of any land that 
is available for rent in that area then Carol's email is [EMAIL PROTECTED].

I unfortunately can't do much else other than spread the word from over 
here in UK.

Michelle, Bramble, Minstrel,  Buddy

email

2005-06-15 Thread Lomaxturtle




That email address should have been [EMAIL PROTECTED] not samietoo - sorry

Michelle, Bramble, Minstrel, Buddy

Re: Transfer Factor


Michelle,
I've been using TF too.  I can't tell you if it's having any effect, but 
I'm not seeing any adverse reactions either.  Happily it tastes good.  
My Timmy, the one that tested neg from my litter, is very finicky, but 
he'll eat it in a bit of tuna.


It sounds like Bramble is improving.  I can't wait for your visit to the 
vet about his eyes.  Which vet are you seeing now?  Is this the same vet 
that's been giving you all the trouble about treating him?  Are his 
pupils dilating normally when the light changes?  I sure hope there's 
something that can be done to restore his sight to normal.  How 
wonderful that he trusts you.  What a sweet angel you've got there.  I'm 
in love and I haven't even met him!


Hey, maybe that was St. Francis who showed up with Tidge in your dream 
to give you encouragement, (he must have heard us talking about him!).  
You're doing the right thing. You're so obviously a loving caregiver, 
I'm sure you'd know if you were causing him needless suffering.  As far 
as being strange...  It  isn't such a bad thing.  I've seen normal, 
and I'm perfectly happy being considered strange!


Much love to you Michelle, we're all pulling for you and your angels,
Nina

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Hi
 
It's too early to say yet so I don't want to run before I can walk 
here but Bramble has been on the Transfer Factor noe since Saturday 
and his coat is shining. His coat was always dull and full of dandruff 
- the dandruff is going and his coat is shining and feels so silky. He 
has jumped on the bed twice today himself and got comfy and is beside 
me now. He is blind when the light is on and has to feel his way 
around bless him but can see at least something some of the time when 
it is dull which I why I suspect he is still having mild seizures. He 
seems happier although still confused and freaked by the other 
cats when he can't see as they brush up against him but he trusts me 
so much to guide him. He had been scratching a patch under his ear at 
the side of his face too so seeing as though he will be earmite free 
after the syringe and the recent revolution dilema - I suspected his 
food may be doing it - also his dental problems may have been 
irritating him - although that should have resolved due to dental 
extractions and weeks of antibiotics. I changed his food now too over 
to the organic whiskers and that patch seems to be healing. I know 
many suggest a home cooked diet but I can't bare to cook or handle 
much meat. I am vegan and emptying cat food out of a packet, cutting 
up ready cooked chicken chunks, or scraping shreaded fish out of a tin 
is about as much as I can handle.
 
 Poor little boy decided he wanted to pee when I was changing the 
litter so he just squatted on the floor where his litter tray usually 
are - at least he knew where he was.
 
I am going to go and see the vet next week over his eyes and take some 
info with me. I also bought her a book on transfer factor. Hopefully 
when I tell her of his improvement she will believe me and not the 
other vet. I'm going to ask about getting the FeLV cat on interferon 
too. If that is not an option then I'll buy it online and dilute 
myself with the direction of you guys who are already doing it.
 
Fingers crossed and still praying which I have been doing every day 
and night. It was strange - one night when I prayed for a signal to 
tell me what is right for Bramble - I had a dream where my recently 
deceased baby girl Tidge appeared and a male voice was at the back of 
her saying keep trying.
 
I have since had many strange dreams but that's nothing new (Bramble 
says mummy is just strange).
 
Michelle, Bramble, Minstrel  Buddy

RE: Transfer Factor

I also have been using TF, too - instead of Feline type, I use the human
TF plus type - I read on the website that a few vets recommending to use
the human plus type over feline type for especially for little guys
whose immune system has been compromised due to any serious illness
including feLV  - though I realized that there are some ingredients that
are in feline type are not in the human type - anyway, I have been using
it on Ginger every day, and started using on George (a feral boy that I
have been trying to catch) - he drank it in the sardine juice - and I
tasted it myself too, but it did not taste that bad - which is a good
thing for us - 

I picture Bramble squatting on the floor to pee with no litter box - it
gave me a big smile for the day - he must have looked so cute(he
probably did not think it was funny - sorry, Bramble) - any little
things our feline guys do, I am very intrigued by it - I am just so
lucky to have known them and have know you guys on the list, and have
learned to appreciate them in a way that we do -

I believe that your baby, Tidge is a guardian angel for you, Bramble,
Minstrel  Buddy - 

I will be praying for your baby, Bramble -

Loves and hugs to you and all of your precious angels...

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nina
Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2005 4:33 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: Transfer Factor

Michelle,
I've been using TF too.  I can't tell you if it's having any effect, but

I'm not seeing any adverse reactions either.  Happily it tastes good.  
My Timmy, the one that tested neg from my litter, is very finicky, but 
he'll eat it in a bit of tuna.

It sounds like Bramble is improving.  I can't wait for your visit to the

vet about his eyes.  Which vet are you seeing now?  Is this the same vet

that's been giving you all the trouble about treating him?  Are his 
pupils dilating normally when the light changes?  I sure hope there's 
something that can be done to restore his sight to normal.  How 
wonderful that he trusts you.  What a sweet angel you've got there.  I'm

in love and I haven't even met him!

Hey, maybe that was St. Francis who showed up with Tidge in your dream 
to give you encouragement, (he must have heard us talking about him!).  
You're doing the right thing. You're so obviously a loving caregiver, 
I'm sure you'd know if you were causing him needless suffering.  As far 
as being strange...  It  isn't such a bad thing.  I've seen normal, 
and I'm perfectly happy being considered strange!

Much love to you Michelle, we're all pulling for you and your angels,
Nina

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hi
  
 It's too early to say yet so I don't want to run before I can walk 
 here but Bramble has been on the Transfer Factor noe since Saturday 
 and his coat is shining. His coat was always dull and full of dandruff

 - the dandruff is going and his coat is shining and feels so silky. He

 has jumped on the bed twice today himself and got comfy and is beside 
 me now. He is blind when the light is on and has to feel his way 
 around bless him but can see at least something some of the time when 
 it is dull which I why I suspect he is still having mild seizures. He 
 seems happier although still confused and freaked by the other 
 cats when he can't see as they brush up against him but he trusts me 
 so much to guide him. He had been scratching a patch under his ear at 
 the side of his face too so seeing as though he will be earmite free 
 after the syringe and the recent revolution dilema - I suspected his 
 food may be doing it - also his dental problems may have been 
 irritating him - although that should have resolved due to dental 
 extractions and weeks of antibiotics. I changed his food now too over 
 to the organic whiskers and that patch seems to be healing. I know 
 many suggest a home cooked diet but I can't bare to cook or handle 
 much meat. I am vegan and emptying cat food out of a packet, cutting 
 up ready cooked chicken chunks, or scraping shreaded fish out of a tin

 is about as much as I can handle.
  
  Poor little boy decided he wanted to pee when I was changing the 
 litter so he just squatted on the floor where his litter tray usually 
 are - at least he knew where he was.
  
 I am going to go and see the vet next week over his eyes and take some

 info with me. I also bought her a book on transfer factor. Hopefully 
 when I tell her of his improvement she will believe me and not the 
 other vet. I'm going to ask about getting the FeLV cat on interferon 
 too. If that is not an option then I'll buy it online and dilute 
 myself with the direction of you guys who are already doing it.
  
 Fingers crossed and still praying which I have been doing every day 
 and night. It was strange - one night when I prayed for a signal to 
 tell me what is right for Bramble - I had a dream where my recently 
 deceased baby girl Tidge appeared and a male voice was at the

Nina's Timmy


Hi Everyone,
I just mentioned my Timmy to Michelle L.  He's the one that miraculously 
tested negative, (remember the big debate over PCR testing to determine 
if FeLV is sequestered in bone marrow?).  Anyway, as you know, my 
household and feral colony has been fighting some sort of bug lately.  
Tim had some sneezing and congestion and his third eyelids have been up 
for over a week now.  I'm starting to get concerned.  I should probably 
take him in to be tested while he's exhibiting symptoms, (because he's 
more likely to show positive then), but when it comes right down to it 
I'm chicken about what I'll learn.  He seems perfectly healthy, except 
for his eyes, well he's a bit more skittish, but he can't see as well!  
I have him on IA and TF when I can get him to eat it.  Do you think I 
should worry?  Do you think I should have him tested?  I'm trying to 
figure out exactly what good it will do me to know for sure he's 
positive, (I'll never know for sure he's truly negative).  My first 
bottle baby, Queen Ursula, had nictating membranes for a couple months 
at one point.  The vets were never able to tell me why.  An AC 
acquaintance told me it was because she didn't want to see how crowded 
the house was with cats at the time.  Who knows, she may have been 
right.  The condition went away without any other indications ever 
presenting themselves.


Grace is doing much better.  She's still sleeping more than usual, but 
yesterday she was very naughty, so I take that as a good sign.  When she 
starts beating up Kimba again, I'll know she's made a full recovery.


Thanks,
Nina

RE: Nina's Timmy

Hi, Nina, I am sorry that Timmy is having sneezing and congestion - but
please don't jump into the conclusion that he is going to be positive -
I understand that their eye lids shows when they don't feel in general
and sounds like he has some type of bug like FVR? - I can never remember
the abbreviation) which can cause lots of cold like symptoms - a couple
of my kitties are sneezing at my house, too. And my colleague was just
telling me that her cat had really bad sneezing and congestions, and
before you knew the rest of the kitties start sneezing, too.  But it was
just temporary -

Tim might have some fever, too - have you checked his temperature?  But
even if he does, again it can be caused by some bug which many many of
my kitties have had in the past(whenever they had high fever, I
immediately went to the place oh no - they have FIP - they are going to
die! - and all of them got better in a couple of weeks - but that's how
I react...)

I so completely understand your debate about doing the blood test - I am
trying to put myself in your shoe right now to see what I would do - 
I am very compulsive when coming to finding out test results - I put too
much weight on these things - my sister who lives in Japan (who is
actually psychic in a confidential sort of way - once told me when I
found out that my Riki tested positive for FIV and I was all freaking
out because I did not know what to do and she oddly told me that, well,
positives and negatives have such a thin wall between - positives can be
negative and negative can be positive, so don't think about it too much.
I did not know what she meant by it - but a couple of years later, I did
- because Riki ended up being negative - and others who I thought
negatives ended up being positives on other virus - she told me not to
worry about those things too much, but rather focus on how they are
doing - I guess what I am saying that you are going to take care of
Timmy exactly the same way as you would whether he is negative or
positive - if somehow it's going to help you finding out the test result
in anyway, I don' think it's bad to find out the test result - but
again, positive can mean negative, too - right?  Sorry, Nina, I might
not be helping here - why don't you wait to see how he does for the next
couple of days and see if you can help him get rid of the condition??
Whatever it is - time will tell - and also whatever you will face,
nothing is going to be the end of the world - you can deal with it, and
we are all here for you, Nina - 

Honestly, I am so sick and tired of being controlled by the test result
- I know it's important for obvious reasons - but my Squeekie has been
tested negatives and positives and equivocal on FIV for the past three
months - back and forth - just don't know what to think of it - she is
so perfectly healthy - so I am almost not going to think about it - 

Regardless, I am praying that Timmy is going to get better so that his
mama won't have to worry about at all - And I am so glad that Gypsy is
doing better!!

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nina
Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2005 4:50 PM
To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Nina's Timmy

Hi Everyone,
I just mentioned my Timmy to Michelle L.  He's the one that miraculously

tested negative, (remember the big debate over PCR testing to determine 
if FeLV is sequestered in bone marrow?).  Anyway, as you know, my 
household and feral colony has been fighting some sort of bug lately.  
Tim had some sneezing and congestion and his third eyelids have been up 
for over a week now.  I'm starting to get concerned.  I should probably 
take him in to be tested while he's exhibiting symptoms, (because he's 
more likely to show positive then), but when it comes right down to it 
I'm chicken about what I'll learn.  He seems perfectly healthy, except 
for his eyes, well he's a bit more skittish, but he can't see as well!  
I have him on IA and TF when I can get him to eat it.  Do you think I 
should worry?  Do you think I should have him tested?  I'm trying to 
figure out exactly what good it will do me to know for sure he's 
positive, (I'll never know for sure he's truly negative).  My first 
bottle baby, Queen Ursula, had nictating membranes for a couple months 
at one point.  The vets were never able to tell me why.  An AC 
acquaintance told me it was because she didn't want to see how crowded 
the house was with cats at the time.  Who knows, she may have been 
right.  The condition went away without any other indications ever 
presenting themselves.

Grace is doing much better.  She's still sleeping more than usual, but 
yesterday she was very naughty, so I take that as a good sign.  When she

starts beating up Kimba again, I'll know she's made a full recovery.

Thanks,
Nina

RE: Nina's Timmy

I am sorry - I meant to say - Grace - , Nina.. I guess I am too familiar
with your kitties now

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hideyo
Yamamoto
Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2005 5:26 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: RE: Nina's Timmy

Hi, Nina, I am sorry that Timmy is having sneezing and congestion - but
please don't jump into the conclusion that he is going to be positive -
I understand that their eye lids shows when they don't feel in general
and sounds like he has some type of bug like FVR? - I can never remember
the abbreviation) which can cause lots of cold like symptoms - a couple
of my kitties are sneezing at my house, too. And my colleague was just
telling me that her cat had really bad sneezing and congestions, and
before you knew the rest of the kitties start sneezing, too.  But it was
just temporary -

Tim might have some fever, too - have you checked his temperature?  But
even if he does, again it can be caused by some bug which many many of
my kitties have had in the past(whenever they had high fever, I
immediately went to the place oh no - they have FIP - they are going to
die! - and all of them got better in a couple of weeks - but that's how
I react...)

I so completely understand your debate about doing the blood test - I am
trying to put myself in your shoe right now to see what I would do - 
I am very compulsive when coming to finding out test results - I put too
much weight on these things - my sister who lives in Japan (who is
actually psychic in a confidential sort of way - once told me when I
found out that my Riki tested positive for FIV and I was all freaking
out because I did not know what to do and she oddly told me that, well,
positives and negatives have such a thin wall between - positives can be
negative and negative can be positive, so don't think about it too much.
I did not know what she meant by it - but a couple of years later, I did
- because Riki ended up being negative - and others who I thought
negatives ended up being positives on other virus - she told me not to
worry about those things too much, but rather focus on how they are
doing - I guess what I am saying that you are going to take care of
Timmy exactly the same way as you would whether he is negative or
positive - if somehow it's going to help you finding out the test result
in anyway, I don' think it's bad to find out the test result - but
again, positive can mean negative, too - right?  Sorry, Nina, I might
not be helping here - why don't you wait to see how he does for the next
couple of days and see if you can help him get rid of the condition??
Whatever it is - time will tell - and also whatever you will face,
nothing is going to be the end of the world - you can deal with it, and
we are all here for you, Nina - 

Honestly, I am so sick and tired of being controlled by the test result
- I know it's important for obvious reasons - but my Squeekie has been
tested negatives and positives and equivocal on FIV for the past three
months - back and forth - just don't know what to think of it - she is
so perfectly healthy - so I am almost not going to think about it - 

Regardless, I am praying that Timmy is going to get better so that his
mama won't have to worry about at all - And I am so glad that Gypsy is
doing better!!

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Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2005 4:50 PM
To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Nina's Timmy

Hi Everyone,
I just mentioned my Timmy to Michelle L.  He's the one that miraculously

tested negative, (remember the big debate over PCR testing to determine 
if FeLV is sequestered in bone marrow?).  Anyway, as you know, my 
household and feral colony has been fighting some sort of bug lately.  
Tim had some sneezing and congestion and his third eyelids have been up 
for over a week now.  I'm starting to get concerned.  I should probably 
take him in to be tested while he's exhibiting symptoms, (because he's 
more likely to show positive then), but when it comes right down to it 
I'm chicken about what I'll learn.  He seems perfectly healthy, except 
for his eyes, well he's a bit more skittish, but he can't see as well!  
I have him on IA and TF when I can get him to eat it.  Do you think I 
should worry?  Do you think I should have him tested?  I'm trying to 
figure out exactly what good it will do me to know for sure he's 
positive, (I'll never know for sure he's truly negative).  My first 
bottle baby, Queen Ursula, had nictating membranes for a couple months 
at one point.  The vets were never able to tell me why.  An AC 
acquaintance told me it was because she didn't want to see how crowded 
the house was with cats at the time.  Who knows, she may have been 
right.  The condition went away without any other indications ever 
presenting themselves.

Grace is doing much better.  She's still sleeping more than usual, but 
yesterday

Re: Nina's Timmy


Hideyo,
You are absolutely right, it doesn't really matter much what the test 
results say, I'll take care of him the best I know how anyway.  You do 
help, you always do.  Just knowing that you're out there helps.  
Sometimes I worry about you, you care about so many and worry so much, 
I'm afraid one day you'll just explode from the pressure.  I'm very 
happy to hear that you've decided to stop being concerned with 
Squeekie's test results.  Living in the moment and caring for our angels 
with love is the best we can do, and what we should do.  Your sister's 
right about the fine line between negative and positive.  Look at the 
trouble I've had with Gypsy.  When she tested negative after being 
exposed at such a young age to my FeLVs I was so relieved.  I couldn't 
have known about the battle we were about to face with IBD!


You're such a treasure Hideyo, thanks,
Nina

Re: Nina's Timmy

Gypsy should be congratulated too!  She's finally started to put on 
weight and for the first time, I don't feel like I'm on death-watch with 
her anymore. 
Nina

Re: nutrition info

2005-06-15 Thread Nicholena Rushton

Title: RE: nutrition info

I have another question to ask - I apologize for asking so many questions
but I just can not think of all of them at one time! Since Ziggy tested
pos for FeLV at such a young age would it be "safe" to assume he was born with
it and is going to have it for the rest of his life? I knowtwo of
his littermates have tested pos also but not sure about the third one (he was
the only male and the others were all female).I have to say that I
am amazedby other members talking about their vets telling them to
euthanize a FeLV pos cat. I now feel blessed to have my vet as he
poo-poo'd the idea of euthanasia right from the start (I was the one who had to
bring it up when I got the test results - I was extremely nieve then and to
think it was only one week ago!). Although I am wondering if anyone has
any idea if there is a vet who could be more knowledgeable about FeLV in the
Phila suburban area - just as a precautionary measure. Also, Ziggy only
had the ELISA snap test done, should I have gotten the IFA test immediately
after? I have another appt on 6/30 for Zig and am wondering if I should
request it then or wait a few more weeks?

I am so happy to hear thatall the other littleangels are doing
better!As always you all are in my prayers and Ziggy sends out a big
Meow toeveryone who is helping his mommy deal with this.

Niki

- Original Message -
From: MacKenzie, Kerry N.
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org

Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2005 11:29
AM
Subject: RE: nutrition info

Hi all can anyone confirm that the ingreds in Vit
Min Mixyeast powder,
kelp powder, lecithin granules, wheat bran, bonemeal--- are safe for a 9 week kitten--Niki's Ziggy in this case?
I don't have my reference to hand (and not sure it mentions age
anyway).
Thanks! Kerry

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Re: Transfer Factor

2005-06-15 Thread EWagner7701

Michelle,
That is great about the Transfer Factor! Thinking about your little guy! Does anyone know where I can buy TF for Tom?
Erika

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Pekoe - Check Up Blood Work

2005-06-15 Thread Marlene Chornie




Hi Group,

 First of all, I want to thank all of you for your 
sympathies expressed when we lost Digby last month. It meant a great deal 
to us. Digby "came home" last Friday, which seems to help in the grieving 
process.
 We're taking Pekoe to the vet tomorrow just for a 
check-up and some "baseline" blood work. He had blood work done back in 
Feb. when he had the bout with Hemobart and tested FelV+.
 I'm still a little "confused" by everything I've read 
about FelV. Pekoe was approx. 15 - 16 mos. old when he tested positive - 
both the ELISA test and the confirmatory IFA test. Right now, 
he'sappears healthierthan before the Hemobart. My question is, 
would there be any point to having him retested (ELISA and/or IFA)? Am I 
correct in that if he tested positive on the IFA, then he's always going to be 
positive? I'm not thinking that he may be negative now, but just wondered 
if he should be retested (for whatever reason)?
 
Thanks all,
Marlene

RE: [FivCats] Re: Cooling Off Kitty

Linda,

You certainly did the right thing. There is no reason to put to euthanize a cat just for being positive! This cat could never even get sick from leukemia and just be a 'carrier'. If he does get sick then you can decide about treatments and alternatives. That might not happen for a very long time if at all! Congratulations on your new cat!

tonyaHideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:







Yes, I do  I have one FeLv girl, too. There is an excellent support group for FeLV+ kittie parents and I am forwarding your message to this group  please join us  you will just LOVE this group. To the list member for FeLV kitties, please email her the encouragement to her  Linda you are not alone in this at all  we are all here for you!!





From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2005 11:26 AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [FivCats] Re: Cooling Off Kitty

Just took a sweet stray to vet today for neuter, about 8 months old, long hair tiger grey, he was pos for leukemia, vet suggested euthanasia, i said no i have one other cat that is pos, for 3 or 4 years and he will stay with him, do u think i did the right thing, I will care for him until he gets ill then i will put him down, just could not do it. Linda 



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Re: Bramble

That is good news. I think Bramble is telling you he wants to hang on. When will his good vet be back?

It sounds like Minstrel might be having an allergic reaction to something. Has he been in contact with the flea treatment or anything else? Or it could be that he just allergies to dust or whatever like humans do. I have a cat with allergies.

tonya[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Hello

Bramble is still managing ok at the moment although I supect he is still having mild seizures although nothing like he was for the 3 days following that blasted revolution/stronghold treatment - never again will I use that on my cats. He is now just having moments where he appears completely blind and then stares for a few seconds or gets up and turns around looking confused. All in all it is very mild and he is still eating and coming voluntarily for his food, getting to the toilet, grooming, and today he jumped up on the bed himself and started to knead and purr following his breakfast and his interferon jab - so much easier to inject when he's distracted by food. Most of the time he appears partially blind.

I desperately want to take him to the vet to get his eyes checked out but I'm not taking him to that one who just wants to put him to sleep. Has anyone had any luck finding out if seizures meds interact with interferon so that I go with my amunition to fire at the vet if they say the big E word.

PS - his coat condition appears to have improved since he went on transfer factor.

Secondly Minstrel my FeLV (2 years old) sometimes just has a runny nose - it's clear and doesn't seem to bother her and she shows no other signs of sickness - any ideas.

Michelle, Bramble, Minstrel Buddy

Re: FW: false positives for feLV tests

Yes, false positives are very common for fiv because kittens can test positive if their mother was positive and then throw it off later. I don't think an fiv test is considered definitive on a cat under 3 or 6 months. I don't remember which it is. I know I wish shelters didn't test for fiv anymore because it is not a bad enough disease to euthanise for and there are so many false positives. I don't consider fiv cats to be a problem to keep in my house. I worry that they might get leukemia from my felv positive cat though.

tonyaHideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:







I am forwarding this infor from other list  I found it interesting  are you guys aware of it?





From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hideyo YamamotoSent: Wednesday, June 15, 2005 11:42 AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: RE: [FivCats] Re: Cooling Off Kitty/Fleuk kitty

Thats very interesting, Kathy  it happens a lot with FIV ELISA testing, too from my experience  
Again, even if he is positive now, there is a pretty good chance to he is in just transient transmission and he might become negative, too  please read the article I sent to you earlier for more detail infor  thanks.

Hideyo





From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of kathy hintzSent: Wednesday, June 15, 2005 11:38 AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [FivCats] Re: Cooling Off Kitty/Fleuk kitty


I would do the same as you. Keep in mind that there are many false positives with this test. In addition, the San Fran shelter no longer tests as they were killing too many cats that could have lived long and happy lives. I will try to find the article and post it or mail it to you when I locate it. (RIght now I am in hurricane preparation mode so all is upside down). 



Anyway, they did exhaustive research and found out that a large percentage of cats that tested positive were not positive. And, of those that were, only 10% became ill and died of fel leuk - the rest died of natural causes. 



You might want to put that kitty oninterferon - I have a friend who cares for a large group of fel leuk positives andshe always gives them interferon to helpboost the immune system. 



I have several cats that are positive and they are still going strong after ten years. Follow your heart and keep that baby with you as long as possible. 



Kathy[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Just took a sweet stray to vet today for neuter, about 8 months old, long hair tiger grey, he was pos for leukemia, vet suggested euthanasia, i said no i have one other cat that is pos, for 3 or 4 years and he will stay with him, do u think i did the right thing, I will care for him until he gets ill then i will put him down, just could not do it. Linda 



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Looking to Adopt a FeLV+ Kitty

2005-06-15 Thread Sally Quillian




I have a friend who is looking for a 
FeLV+ kitty to adopt . . .she wants a companion for her other FeLV kitty. 
I noticed there is a kitty available in Houston. . .I've emailed her. . . .but 
just wanted to put the word out. It would be a good home. We are 
located in Oklahoma City, OK.


Sally Quillian
Ms. Kitty's Cat Rescue, Inc.www.mskittyscatrescue.org

Re: Any more animal communication questions?

Hi Kat,

No questions, but thank you for offering to take questions from our members. It was very nice of you! You are very lucky to have the skill to communicate as you do.

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Hi, everyone. I just wanted to see if there are any more questions; I will be signing off Thursday night as I am traveling to Dallas to teach a workshop.

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Re: This is what the vet said...

The IFA is more definitive, but I really don't see any reason to give it right away. If Tom still tests positive or even negative on the elisa in 30 days I would retest with IFA as a means of double checking the results. Tom is a lucky cat to have found such a good home!

Also, I didn't realize they could do heartworm tests on cats? I thought they could just give preventative, but there was not a test?

t[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I just got back from the vet with Tom... You all know so much, tell me what you think about what he said. Tom originally tested + on last Friday, but I read an article that they should have a retest right away with a different type of test (IFA, since Tom had a ELISA snap test). The vet said that no, we cannot retest until 30 days, but then if it is negative, all that means is that it may have moved to his marrow. I was hoping to hear that some cats fight it off. I think I read that too. So all we really did was rabies/distemper and a heartworm test. Does all this sound right? There is another vet in the same office that is more specialized with cats, but he was in surgery today.Thanks for any tips!Erika  Tom
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RE: This is what the vet said...

True, you can do it right away, but if the IFA comes back negative I still don't think you'd want to vaccinate for felv without waiting an interval of time, so why waste the money on a 2nd test right now? If it were me, I would wait 60 days to be sure, and then I would go have both tests. That is assuming that in the meantime he won't be exposed to a positive.

tonyaChris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Your instincts are rightthis vet doesnt sound like he knows what hes talking about! Both my pos were tested with IFA almost immediately after pos Elissa. If the IFA is neg, then retesting at various intervals is in order in the archives there is a chart that talks about discordant results what they mean.There is also a list of vets posted by members in felineleukemia.org sitemaybe theres someone near you. Its tough to find a vet who is really knowledgeablenot unlike how tough it is to find a great doctor!

Chris
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-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2005 2:41 PMTo: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: This is what the vet said...

I just got back from the vet with Tom... You all know so much, tell me what you think about what he said. Tom originally tested + on last Friday, but I read an article that they should have a retest right away with a different type of test (IFA, since Tom had a ELISA snap test). The vet said that no, we cannot retest until 30 days, but then if it is negative, all that means is that it may have moved to his marrow. I was hoping to hear that some cats fight it off. I think I read that too. So all we really did was rabies/distemper and a heartworm test. Does all this sound right? There is another vet in the same office that is more specialized with cats, but he was in surgery today.Thanks for any tips!Erika Tom
When the defining moment comes, either you define the moment, or the moment defines you.

RE: This is what the vet said...

True. I really think anyone bringing new cats who test negative should still retest 60-90 days later to be truly sure. And then during that time the cat could not be exposed to any new cats or to possible positives. That's why I think, too, it's much more common than we know that we have cats that we think contracted the disease from a 'new' cat when they had it all along.

tonyaChris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
"unfortunately, it works the other way, too--acat could test negative because it was just exposed and it's notshowing up on the snap yet"Unfortunately, I believe this is what happened to my Tucson  only served toshow me that out of all those cats that people get as kittens, there areprobably a whole lot who really are pos--not to mention, how many people whohave indoor-outdoor cats have them checked every year! Kind of makes itimpossible to really adress 'life expectancy' questions for FELV+. Bottomline, this disease has been around forever  we have all had cats who weloved dearly without ever knowing if they were pos or not!Chris[EMAIL PROTECTED]-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED][mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of TenHouseCatsSent:
 Wednesday, June 15, 2005 4:13 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: This is what the vet said...i don't think you "have" to wait 30 days, but unless you have someidea of when the cat was exposed, a positive test may meannothing--just as a negative may not, for that matter--80% of healthyadults seem to throw off the virus, so knowing at what stage you'retesting is the only way to know if a test is likely to be reliable...a cat could be positive on the snap, negative on the IFA--and in 3months, test differently.. this just points up the need forretesting, which is an unrealistic thing for mostrescues/shelters. unfortunately, it works the other way, too--acat could test negative because it was just exposed and it's notshowing up on the snap yet-- MaryChristineAIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCatsMSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED]ICQ: 289856892

Re: FW: false positives for feLV tests

I thought this was talking about false positives for fiv?? I'd like to see that article too. If it were true it seems like someone would have heard??







From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hideyo YamamotoSent: Wednesday, June 15, 2005 11:42 AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: RE: [FivCats] Re: Cooling Off Kitty/Fleuk kitty

Thats very interesting, Kathy  it happens a lot with FIV ELISA testing, too from my experience  
Again, even if he is positive now, there is a pretty good chance to he is in just transient transmission and he might become negative, too  please read the article I sent to you earlier for more detail infor  thanks.

Hideyo





From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of kathy hintzSent: Wednesday, June 15, 2005 11:38 AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [FivCats] Re: Cooling Off Kitty/Fleuk kitty


I would do the same as you. Keep in mind that there are many false positives with this test. In addition, the San Fran shelter no longer tests as they were killing too many cats that could have lived long and happy lives. I will try to find the article and post it or mail it to you when I locate it. (RIght now I am in hurricane preparation mode so all is upside down). 



Anyway, they did exhaustive research and found out that a large percentage of cats that tested positive were not positive. And, of those that were, only 10% became ill and died of fel leuk - the rest died of natural causes. 



You might want to put that kitty oninterferon - I have a friend who cares for a large group of fel leuk positives andshe always gives them interferon to helpboost the immune system. 



I have several cats that are positive and they are still going strong after ten years. Follow your heart and keep that baby with you as long as possible. 



Kathy[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Just took a sweet stray to vet today for neuter, about 8 months old, long hair tiger grey, he was pos for leukemia, vet suggested euthanasia, i said no i have one other cat that is pos, for 3 or 4 years and he will stay with him, do u think i did the right thing, I will care for him until he gets ill then i will put him down, just could not do it. Linda 



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Re: This is what the vet said...

2005-06-15 Thread EWagner7701

Tonya,
I didn't know there was a heartworm test either! They did a blood test that will take from 1-7 days (I guess they run 2 tests on it). There was an article in our paper that heartworm is particularly bad this year, and since he came in from outside, we wanted to be sure. It was marked in his records as "heartworm test antigen." Hope that helps?
Erika


Also, I didn't realize they could do heartworm tests on cats? I thought they could just give preventative, but there was not a test?

heartworm for cats

Erika,

Thank you for the info. I'm going to the vet tomorrow so I'm going to ask about it. I'm in the south, and although my cats don't go outside, mosquitoes occasionally get inside, and heartworm in dogs is a HUGE problem here.

tonya[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Tonya,I didn't know there was a heartworm test either! They did a blood test that will take from 1-7 days (I guess they run 2 tests on it). There was an article in our paper that heartworm is particularly bad this year, and since he came in from outside, we wanted to be sure. It was marked in his records as "heartworm test antigen." Hope that helps?ErikaAlso, I didn't realize they could do heartworm tests on cats? I thought they could just give preventative, but there was not a test?

Re: Transfer Factor





Hi Erika,

The phone number for the company is: (888) 454-3374. I
got it from Sally, (Sally Foster
-- dist #6042525) one of our list members.
There's a website link below, you might want to check out, but they
don't have their order page encrypted, so it's safer to order over the
phone. When I ordered I used Sally's name because she's registered as
a distributor, I don't know if it got me a better price or not. I had
posted a link with more info about TF not to long ago, if you can't
find it, let me know and I'll look for it and post it again. 

The wholesale price on the products from the most recent list I have is: 
Transfer Factor Classic -- 90 caps/$37.95 
Transfer Factor Advanced Formula -- 60 caps/$39.95 
TF Plus Advanced Formula -- 60 caps/$54.95 
TF Feline Complete -- 60 - 2 grm. servings/$35.95
Animal Stress Pack -- 7 - 2 oz.packets/$48.95


www.4life.com

That is great about the Transfer
Factor! Thinking about your little guy! Does anyone know where I can
buy TF for Tom?
Erika

Re: Pekoe - Check Up Blood Work