date:20051007

the thing is, you'd have to have various tests run to find OUT if it
worked, especially when dealing with coccidia and giardia, which are
notorious for "hiding" in stool samples i'd  check out
someplace like www.holisticat.com and see if they have any
suggestions. oh, gloria? got any ideas?
On 10/7/05, gary <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:







Well, that's unfortunate as it seemed a good 
thing.  It does say it's guaranteed, wonder if it would be harmful to test 
it?  She has an ebay store and no negative feedback, on the other hand, 
most ebay feedback is given very shortly after recieving the product, not 
usually after having tried the product.  Just can't get a 
break.
 
Gary

  - Original Message - 
  
From: 
  TenHouseCats 
  To: 
FeLVTalk 
  Sent: Friday, October 07, 2005 3:40 
  PM
  Subject: Fwd: wormers
  hee hee--i've removed the identifying info to protect the 
  innocent, but here's the response i got i know that at some of you on this 
  list know from whom this cameRESPONSE: 
  Snake oil.
   
  C
  
  
- 
Original Message - 

From: 
TenHouseCats 

Sent: 
Friday, October 07, 2005 10:33 AM
Subject: 
Fwd: wormers
know anything about this stuff/this place?-- 
Forwarded message --From: gary <[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> 
Date: Oct 7, 2005 1:24 PMSubject: wormersTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org

Does anyone have any experience or info on a 
wormer called  Wormguard Plus 
Broad Spectrum for Cats?
 
Here is the website  http://www.theholistichorse.com/index.php?page=details&id=327 
 it is holistic and it also looks pretty inexpensive.  
Supposed to kill just about all the worms including coccidia.
 
Gary
 
-- 
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  289856892-- 
  MaryChristineAIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCatsMSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED]ICQ: 
  289856892

-- MaryChristineAIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCatsMSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED]ICQ: 289856892

Re: wormers

2005-10-07 Thread gary




Well, that's unfortunate as it seemed a good 
thing.  It does say it's guaranteed, wonder if it would be harmful to test 
it?  She has an ebay store and no negative feedback, on the other hand, 
most ebay feedback is given very shortly after recieving the product, not 
usually after having tried the product.  Just can't get a 
break.
 
Gary

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  TenHouseCats 
  To: FeLVTalk 
  Sent: Friday, October 07, 2005 3:40 
  PM
  Subject: Fwd: wormers
  hee hee--i've removed the identifying info to protect the 
  innocent, but here's the response i got i know that at some of you on this 
  list know from whom this cameRESPONSE: 
  Snake oil.
   
  C
  
  
- 
Original Message - 
From: 
TenHouseCats 

Sent: 
Friday, October 07, 2005 10:33 AM
Subject: 
Fwd: wormers
know anything about this stuff/this place?-- 
Forwarded message --From: gary <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > 
Date: Oct 7, 2005 1:24 PMSubject: wormersTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Does anyone have any experience or info on a 
wormer called  Wormguard Plus 
Broad Spectrum for Cats?
 
Here is the website  http://www.theholistichorse.com/index.php?page=details&id=327 
 it is holistic and it also looks pretty inexpensive.  
Supposed to kill just about all the worms including coccidia.
 
Gary
 
-- 
MaryChristineAIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCatsMSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED]ICQ: 
  289856892-- 
  MaryChristineAIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCatsMSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED]ICQ: 
  289856892

RE: wormers

Ok.. I will - how do I pay her for her service?

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nina
Sent: Friday, October 07, 2005 2:17 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: wormers

Oh man, that's scary!  Hideyo, I would write to Darla right away.  If 
there is something else that you can do to get him in better health 
besides the drugs, I would give it a try first.
N

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> the best think for Giardia is panacurnothing else has ever worked 
> for me
> panacur can be VERY dangerous unless the cat is in the best of health.
> Karen

Re: wormers

Oh man, that's scary!  Hideyo, I would write to Darla right away.  If 
there is something else that you can do to get him in better health 
besides the drugs, I would give it a try first.

N

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

the best think for Giardia is panacurnothing else has ever worked 
for me

panacur can be VERY dangerous unless the cat is in the best of health.
Karen

RE: Mystery of Ghandi









Actually, the temp was normal at the vet
which was two days ago.. he seemed warm this morning and hiding so I took the
temp – and was 102.5 or something – 

Hon, he has not been wormed for anything at
this time, I am so afraid to give him anything since I was not sure how he was
doing internally at all – 

 

The only thing was the albumin (?) (a
potion of total protein) was lower, then, globlin was normal) – the vet
said that lowness of albmin was due to dietary since he was really not eating
cat food –

Since two days ago, he started eating A/D
cat food, but only from my finger.. he does not want to eat off the plate…but
it’s a good step.. and he ate some this morning, too.. I just don’t
know what’s going on.

 









From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Nina
Sent: Friday, October 07, 2005
2:10 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: Mystery of Ghandi



 

So, Ghandi's symptoms are that he's lethargic/not
energetic, has a slight temp at times and is not eating enough?  No
diarrhea, no vomiting.  Hmmm.  That doesn't sound like
Giardia/Coccidia to me, but then, I'm no vet.  Has he been wormed for the
regular type of parasites?  I've never heard of worms causing a temp, but
then a temp of 102 - 103, is not really that high.  Temps can be higher
under stress, and sometimes even just taking a temp can be stressful.  If
this was done in the vet's office, no doubt the little guy was feeling stressed
at the time.
N

Hideyo Yamamoto wrote:



Thank you – I got your message and
have been trying to call you back, but the line has been busy – did I
have a wrong number??

Ghandi does not have diarreah and
haven’t done the exam yet – the vet took try to take some samples
when taking his temperature, but it was not enough for fecal exam – so I
am supposed to take samples to them when I get some.. and have not done that -
 he is not vomiting at all, and the vet told me that she would not
necessary treat animals with giardia if they are not having diarrhea.. so I don’t
know what do to..

 

I gave Panucur to Jasmine – and was
a bit worried because she acted very differently I gave some drug (and I only
gave a half of what I was supposed to do) – she is ok now, but now I am
really nervous about giving a drug to Ghandi, too…

Re: Mystery of Ghandi

I understand not wanting to give drugs to your babies, believe me I do. 
I have given a quarter tab of Droncit to wee ones, with no ill results, 
but it was only because I knew they had worms.

N

Nina wrote:

So, Ghandi's symptoms are that he's lethargic/not energetic, has a 
slight temp at times and is not eating enough? No diarrhea, no 
vomiting. Hmmm. That doesn't sound like Giardia/Coccidia to me, but 
then, I'm no vet. Has he been wormed for the regular type of 
parasites? I've never heard of worms causing a temp, but then a temp 
of 102 - 103, is not really that high. Temps can be higher under 
stress, and sometimes even just taking a temp can be stressful. If 
this was done in the vet's office, no doubt the little guy was feeling 
stressed at the time.

N

Hideyo Yamamoto wrote:

Thank you – I got your message and have been trying to call you back, 
but the line has been busy – did I have a wrong number??


Ghandi does not have diarreah and haven’t done the exam yet – the vet 
took try to take some samples when taking his temperature, but it was 
not enough for fecal exam – so I am supposed to take samples to them 
when I get some.. and have not done that - he is not vomiting at all, 
and the vet told me that she would not necessary treat animals with 
giardia if they are not having diarrhea.. so I don’t know what do to..


I gave Panucur to Jasmine – and was a bit worried because she acted 
very differently I gave some drug (and I only gave a half of what I 
was supposed to do) – she is ok now, but now I am really nervous 
about giving a drug to Ghandi, too…

Re: wormers




the best think for Giardia is panacurnothing else has ever worked for 
me
panacur can be VERY dangerous unless the cat is in the best of health. 

Karen

Re: Mystery of Ghandi





So, Ghandi's symptoms are that he's lethargic/not energetic, has a
slight temp at times and is not eating enough?  No diarrhea, no
vomiting.  Hmmm.  That doesn't sound like Giardia/Coccidia to me, but
then, I'm no vet.  Has he been wormed for the regular type of
parasites?  I've never heard of worms causing a temp, but then a temp
of 102 - 103, is not really that high.  Temps can be higher under
stress, and sometimes even just taking a temp can be stressful.  If
this was done in the vet's office, no doubt the little guy was feeling
stressed at the time.
N

Hideyo Yamamoto wrote:

  
  


  
  
  
  Thank you –
I got your message and
have been trying to call you back, but the line has been busy – did I
have a wrong number??
  Ghandi does
not have diarreah and haven’t
done the exam yet – the vet took try to take some samples when taking
his
temperature, but it was not enough for fecal exam – so I am supposed to
take samples to them when I get some.. and have not done that -  he is
not vomiting
at all, and the vet told me that she would not necessary treat animals
with
giardia if they are not having diarrhea.. so I don’t know what do to..
   
  I gave
Panucur to Jasmine – and was
a bit worried because she acted very differently I gave some drug (and
I only
gave a half of what I was supposed to do) – she is ok now, but now I am
really nervous about giving a drug to Ghandi, too…

RE: wormers









Is this legitimate stuff – does it
work?  Has anyone use it?  Does it work for Giardia?

 









From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of TenHouseCats
Sent: Friday, October 07, 2005
1:41 PM
To: FeLVTalk
Subject: Fwd: wormers



 

hee hee--i've removed the
identifying info to protect the innocent, but here's the response i got i
know that at some of you on this list know from whom this came

RESPONSE: 



Snake oil.





 





C









- Original Message - 





From: TenHouseCats 



 



Sent: Friday, October
07, 2005 10:33 AM





Subject: Fwd: wormers





 



know anything about this
stuff/this place?

-- Forwarded message --
From: gary
<[EMAIL PROTECTED] > 
Date: Oct 7, 2005 1:24 PM
Subject: wormers
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org



Does anyone have any experience or info on a wormer
called  Wormguard Plus
Broad Spectrum for Cats?





 





Here is the website  http://www.theholistichorse.com/index.php?page=details&id=327
 it is holistic and it also looks pretty inexpensive. 
Supposed to kill just about all the worms including coccidia.





 





Gary





 





-- 
MaryChristine

AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats
MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
ICQ: 289856892







-- 
MaryChristine

AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats
MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
ICQ: 289856892

RE: Mystery of Ghandi









Thank you – I got your message and
have been trying to call you back, but the line has been busy – did I
have a wrong number??

Ghandi does not have diarreah and haven’t
done the exam yet – the vet took try to take some samples when taking his
temperature, but it was not enough for fecal exam – so I am supposed to
take samples to them when I get some.. and have not done that -  he is not vomiting
at all, and the vet told me that she would not necessary treat animals with
giardia if they are not having diarrhea.. so I don’t know what do to..

 

I gave Panucur to Jasmine – and was
a bit worried because she acted very differently I gave some drug (and I only
gave a half of what I was supposed to do) – she is ok now, but now I am
really nervous about giving a drug to Ghandi, too… 

 









From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Nina
Sent: Friday, October 07, 2005
1:55 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: Mystery of Ghandi



 

Hideyo,
Here's Darla's website: http://www.kitsnk9s.com/Kitsnk9sHome.htm
and her email address: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

I just left you a message on your work phone.  I know I haven't been
keeping up the way I used to, but I missed it if you responded to the questions
about Giardia and Coccidia.  They won't show up on bloodwork.  Have
you ruled them out?  And if so, how?  I know that that they are hard
to detect and if you haven't used the proper abx.  What did we all decide
was safest, not Met/Flagil, Albon, (and Karen's suggestion of Baycox), for
Coccidia and what for Giardia?  How do you know that this is not what
Ghandi is suffering from?  Jasmine said something about his GI track,
didn't she?  Does Ghandi have diarrhea, or soft grayish stools?  Is
he vomiting?  Forgive me if you've already answered these questions. 
I'm worried about your baby.
N

Hideyo Yamamoto wrote:



No.. I don't have her email address - could you email it to me? -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED][mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of NinaSent: Friday, October 07, 2005 11:52 AMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: Mystery of Ghandi Hideyo,Have you written to my friend Darla? The homeopathic practitioner?N Hideyo Yamamoto wrote:   

Hi, everyone - I took Ghandi to a vet - and there was really nothing wrong with him according to the blood work - everything was pretty much normal - but he ran low graded fever on and off (between 102 and 103) - today, he has slight fever, and he is hiding again - when it happens, I always get afraid of FIP - as one of the common symptoms is    

   

persistent fever with unknown cause - but his blood work did not reflect that he has anything like FIP at all - he still got stuffy nose and eye discharge -do you have any idea..

Re: Mystery of Ghandi





Hideyo,
Here's Darla's website: http://www.kitsnk9s.com/Kitsnk9sHome.htm
and her email address: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

I just left you a message on your work phone.  I know I haven't been
keeping up the way I used to, but I missed it if you responded to the
questions about Giardia and Coccidia.  They won't show up on
bloodwork.  Have you ruled them out?  And if so, how?  I know that that
they are hard to detect and if you haven't used the proper abx.  What
did we all decide was safest, not Met/Flagil, Albon, (and Karen's
suggestion of Baycox), for Coccidia and what for Giardia?  How do you
know that this is not what Ghandi is suffering from?  Jasmine said
something about his GI track, didn't she?  Does Ghandi have diarrhea,
or soft grayish stools?  Is he vomiting?  Forgive me if you've already
answered these questions.  I'm worried about your baby.
N

Hideyo Yamamoto wrote:

  No.. I don't have her email address - could you email it to me?

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Nina
Sent: Friday, October 07, 2005 11:52 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: Mystery of Ghandi

Hideyo,
Have you written to my friend Darla? The homeopathic practitioner?
N

Hideyo Yamamoto wrote:

  
  
Hi, everyone - I took Ghandi to a vet - and there was really nothing 
wrong with him according to the blood work - everything was pretty 
much normal - but he ran low graded fever on and off (between 102 and 
103) - today, he has slight fever, and he is hiding again - when it 
happens, I always get afraid of FIP - as one of the common symptoms is

  
  
  
  
persistent fever with unknown cause - but his blood work did not 
reflect that he has anything like FIP at all - he still got stuffy 
nose and eye discharge -do you have any idea..

Fwd: wormers

hee hee--i've removed the identifying info to protect the innocent, but
here's the response i got i know that at some of you on this list
know from whom this came
RESPONSE: 






Snake oil.
 
C

  - Original Message - 
  
From: 
  TenHouseCats 
Sent: Friday, October 07, 2005 10:33 
  AM
  Subject: Fwd: wormers
  know anything about this stuff/this place?-- 
  Forwarded message --From: gary <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Date: Oct 7, 2005 
  1:24 PMSubject: wormersTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Does anyone have any experience or info on a 
  wormer called  Wormguard Plus 
  Broad Spectrum for Cats?
   
  Here is the website  http://www.theholistichorse.com/index.php?page=details&id=327 
   it is holistic and it also looks pretty inexpensive.  
  Supposed to kill just about all the worms including coccidia.
   
  Gary
   
  -- 
  MaryChristineAIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCatsMSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED]ICQ: 
  289856892

-- MaryChristineAIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCatsMSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED]ICQ: 289856892

Re: Mystery of Ghandi

2005-10-07 Thread Terri Brown





No ideas, but sending positive vibes your way.
 
=^..^= Terri, Siggie the Tomato Vampire, Guinevere, Sammi, Travis, and 6 
furangels: RuthieGirl, Samantha, Arielle, Gareth, Alec & Salome' 
=^..^=
 
Furkid Photos! http://mysite.verizon.net/vze7sgqa/My 
FeLV Site: http://pages.ivillage.com/ruthiegirl1/MyFeLVinformationSite/My 
Personal Page: http://www.geocities.com/ruthiegirl1/terrispage.html?1083970447350

  - Original Message - 
  From: Hideyo Yamamoto 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: Friday, October 07, 2005 12:26 
  PM
  Subject: Mystery of Ghandi
  
  
  Hi, everyone  I took Ghandi to a 
  vet  and there was really nothing wrong with him according to the blood work 
   everything was pretty much normal  but he ran low graded fever on and off 
  (between 102 and 103)  today, he has slight fever, and he is hiding again - 
  when it happens, I always get afraid of FIP  as one of the common symptoms is 
  persistent fever with unknown cause  but his blood work did not reflect that 
  he has anything like FIP at all  he still got stuffy nose and eye discharge 
  do you have any 
idea..

Re: Felvtalk Digest, Vol 9, Issue 32-Prayers for all your babies

2005-10-07 Thread Terri Brown





Positive vibes coming your way.
 
=^..^= Terri, Siggie the Tomato Vampire, Guinevere, Sammi, Travis, and 6 
furangels: RuthieGirl, Samantha, Arielle, Gareth, Alec & Salome' 
=^..^=
 
Furkid Photos! http://mysite.verizon.net/vze7sgqa/My 
FeLV Site: http://pages.ivillage.com/ruthiegirl1/MyFeLVinformationSite/My 
Personal Page: http://www.geocities.com/ruthiegirl1/terrispage.html?1083970447350

  - Original Message - 
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: Friday, October 07, 2005 9:58 
  AM
  Subject: Re: Felvtalk Digest, Vol 9, 
  Issue 32-Prayers for all your babies
  
  Hello All:
   
  I have not had time to check in but, our Stinky cat is not doing 
  well.  Her CBC's on Tuesday were good- no anemia but, on Wed. she stopped 
  eating and is so weak.  I give her liquid nutrition but, I think our 
  Stinky is getting too tired.
  To all of you with lost, hurting kitties or to those of you whose kitties 
  have gone on, all our prayers are with you.  
   
  Stinky's Mom and Dad

RE: Mystery of Ghandi

No.. I don't have her email address - could you email it to me?

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nina
Sent: Friday, October 07, 2005 11:52 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: Mystery of Ghandi

Hideyo,
Have you written to my friend Darla? The homeopathic practitioner?
N

Hideyo Yamamoto wrote:

> Hi, everyone - I took Ghandi to a vet - and there was really nothing 
> wrong with him according to the blood work - everything was pretty 
> much normal - but he ran low graded fever on and off (between 102 and 
> 103) - today, he has slight fever, and he is hiding again - when it 
> happens, I always get afraid of FIP - as one of the common symptoms is

> persistent fever with unknown cause - but his blood work did not 
> reflect that he has anything like FIP at all - he still got stuffy 
> nose and eye discharge -do you have any idea..
>

Re: Baycox vs Baytril - my bad!




o cool. I used baytril on dogsnever used it on 
cats.

Re: wormers--- coccidia




Its Karen
Baycox was developed  for pigeons...but I really appreciate the 
warning. Rescue is s hard when they are on 10 day albon and sometimes by 
time I get them (from the pound) they have had it so long its past 
dangerous.  I have the doses down and havent had any problems 
yet...

Baycox vs Baytril - my bad!


The site I posted has to do with Baytril, not BayCOX!
N

I'm sorry I don't remember your name.  Thanks for the heads up with
Baycox.  As with anything that sounds promising, I did a search on the
internet for more info.  Apparently Baycox was developed for use in
swine?  Below is a link to a Show Cats website that warns of potential
problems with the eyesight of cats.  It has to do with dosage amounts.
I don't know what dose you're using, but you may want to take a look.
http://www.showcatsonline.com/x/baytril_warning.htm
Nina

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

I have switched from albon to baycox for coccidia. treat once repeat 
in 5 days much better.

firmer stools in 24 hours.
I get a lot of coccidia from the pounds

Re: wormers--- coccidia

I'm sorry I don't remember your name.  Thanks for the heads up with 
Baycox.  As with anything that sounds promising, I did a search on the 
internet for more info.  Apparently Baycox was developed for use in 
swine?  Below is a link to a Show Cats website that warns of potential 
problems with the eyesight of cats.  It has to do with dosage amounts.  
I don't know what dose you're using, but you may want to take a look.  
http://www.showcatsonline.com/x/baytril_warning.htm

Nina

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

I have switched from albon to baycox for coccidia. treat once repeat 
in 5 days much better.

firmer stools in 24 hours.
I get a lot of coccidia from the pounds

Re: wormers--- coccidia




I have switched from albon to baycox for coccidia. treat once repeat in 5 
days much better.
firmer stools in 24 hours.
I get a lot of coccidia from the pounds

Re: they wouldn't give up/euthanize their human kids--would they?

2005-10-07 Thread Steph E Caldwell


Nina wrote:

has everyone seen the spoof listing about the family that needs to 
rehome their kids because the purebred cat/dog they've been waiting so 
long for is finally available? i'll find it if not


Please do send it...

Steph

Re: they wouldn't give up/euthanize their human kids--would they?


I've seen it, I love it!
N

TenHouseCats wrote:

actually, i'm afraid that a lot of folks WOULD put their kids up for 
adoption if they thought the neighbors wouldn't talk


has everyone seen the spoof listing about the family that needs to 
rehome their kids because the purebred cat/dog they've been waiting so 
long for is finally available? i'll find it if not



--
MaryChristine

AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats
MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
ICQ: 289856892

Re: Mystery of Ghandi


Hideyo,
Have you written to my friend Darla? The homeopathic practitioner?
N

Hideyo Yamamoto wrote:

Hi, everyone – I took Ghandi to a vet – and there was really nothing 
wrong with him according to the blood work – everything was pretty 
much normal – but he ran low graded fever on and off (between 102 and 
103) – today, he has slight fever, and he is hiding again - when it 
happens, I always get afraid of FIP – as one of the common symptoms is 
persistent fever with unknown cause – but his blood work did not 
reflect that he has anything like FIP at all – he still got stuffy 
nose and eye discharge –do you have any idea..

Re: P.S. ~ Re: Charity

demon-kitty? yep, it would!On 10/7/05, Barb Moermond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
that wouldn't be Diamond would it?  what a guy...TenHouseCats <
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
patti,
now you understand what i mean when i say that i'm sending GLOW for
people and critters in need: it's the universal--prayers, light,
healing energy, love, whatever it is that people believe in. and
it's incredibly powerful stuff, no matter what you call it!rumor
has it that one of the best "baits" for feral cats is kentucky fried
chicken with the bones removed (some folks say to remove the skin,
too, but i know that that's MY cats' favorite part. )i have
an escaped cat tale, too--i bet we all do, but don't always talk about
these "failures"--i know he's been seen in the area, and i'm hoping
that when michigan weather hits, he'll decide that being a housecat
beats the great outdoors -- MaryChristineAIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCatsMSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
ICQ:
 289856892Barb+Smoky the House Puma+El Bandito Malito"My
cat the clown: paying no mind to whom he should impress. Merely living
his life, doing what pleases him, and making me smile."- Anonymous__Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam?  Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around 
http://mail.yahoo.com 
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Re: wormers

not familiar with it, but the price is great if it works--am sending it
on to a friend who is more familiar with such stuff than i.
On 10/7/05, gary <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:







Does anyone have any experience or info on a wormer 
called  
Wormguard Plus Broad Spectrum for Cats?
 
Here is the website  http://www.theholistichorse.com/index.php?page=details&id=327
 it 
is holistic and it also looks pretty inexpensive.  Supposed to kill 
just about all the worms including coccidia.
 
Gary
 


-- MaryChristineAIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCatsMSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED]ICQ: 289856892

wormers

2005-10-07 Thread gary




Does anyone have any experience or info on a wormer 
called  
Wormguard Plus Broad Spectrum for Cats?
 
Here is the website  http://www.theholistichorse.com/index.php?page=details&id=327 it 
is holistic and it also looks pretty inexpensive.  Supposed to kill 
just about all the worms including coccidia.
 
Gary

Re: P.S. ~ Re: Charity

2005-10-07 Thread Barb Moermond

that wouldn't be Diamond would it?  what a guy...TenHouseCats <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
patti, now you understand what i mean when i say that i'm sending GLOW for people and critters in need: it's the universal--prayers, light, healing energy, love, whatever it is that people believe in. and it's incredibly powerful stuff, no matter what you call it!rumor has it that one of the best "baits" for feral cats is kentucky fried chicken with the bones removed (some folks say to remove the skin, too, but i know that that's MY cats' favorite part. )i have an escaped cat tale, too--i bet we all do, but don't always talk about these "failures"--i know he's been seen in the area, and i'm hoping that when michigan weather hits, he'll decide that being a housecat beats the great outdoors -- MaryChristineAIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCatsMSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED]ICQ:
 289856892Barb+Smoky the House Puma+El Bandito Malito"My cat the clown:  paying no mind to whom he should impress.  Merely living his life, doing what pleases him, and making me smile."- Anonymous__Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam?  Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

RE: they wouldn't give up/euthanize their human kids--would they?

Title: Message

Yes, let's see
this one, MC!
Wouldn't it be great if the US cat community cd
afford to mount an ad campaign based on these spoofs. Of course it wd have
to made v. clear they were spoofs because---(and I'm not a bit surprised by what
you said earlier MC)--a lot of folks just wdn't get it. They'd take the ads
seriously. Kerry

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On Behalf Of TenHouseCatsSent: Friday, October 07, 2005 12:11
PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: they
wouldn't give up/euthanize their human kids--would
they?actually, i'm afraid that a lot of folks WOULD put
their kids up for adoption if they thought the neighbors wouldn't
talkhas everyone seen the spoof listing about the family that needs
to rehome their kids because the purebred cat/dog they've been waiting so long
for is finally available? i'll find it if not--
MaryChristineAIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCatsMSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED]ICQ:
289856892
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Re: P.S. ~ Re: Charity

patti, now you understand what i mean when i say that i'm sending GLOW
for people and critters in need: it's the universal--prayers, light,
healing energy, love, whatever it is that people believe in. and
it's incredibly powerful stuff, no matter what you call it!

rumor has it that one of the best "baits" for feral cats is kentucky
fried chicken with the bones removed (some folks say to remove the
skin, too, but i know that that's MY cats' favorite part. )

i have an escaped cat tale, too--i bet we all do, but don't always talk
about these "failures"--i know he's been seen in the area, and i'm
hoping that when michigan weather hits, he'll decide that being a
housecat beats the great outdoors -- MaryChristineAIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCatsMSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED]ICQ: 289856892

RE: they wouldn't give up/euthanize their human kids--would they?









Wow.. I thought I was crazy.. but I don’t’
feel too bad about myself now.l

 









From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of TenHouseCats
Sent: Friday, October 07, 2005
11:11 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: they wouldn't give
up/euthanize their human kids--would they?



 

actually, i'm afraid that
a lot of folks WOULD put their kids up for adoption if they thought the
neighbors wouldn't talk

has everyone seen the spoof listing about the family that needs to rehome their
kids because the purebred cat/dog they've been waiting so long for is finally
available? i'll find it if not


-- 
MaryChristine

AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats
MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
ICQ: 289856892

Re: they wouldn't give up/euthanize their human kids--would they?

actually, i'm afraid that a lot of folks WOULD put their kids up for adoption if they thought the neighbors wouldn't talk

has everyone seen the spoof listing about the family that needs to
rehome their kids because the purebred cat/dog they've been waiting so
long for is finally available? i'll find it if not
-- MaryChristineAIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCatsMSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED]ICQ: 289856892

ASHVILLE NC--KATRINA CATS--Two FIV+ & One FELV+

PERMISSION TO CROSSPOST GRANTED AND APPRECIATED!-- Forwarded message --From: Purrever Ranch <
[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Date: Oct 7, 2005 1:50 AM
A few Katrina kitties that were transported out of the NOLA area tested positive for FIV & FELV.  
 
2 of the cats are FIV+ & 1 is FELV+ & are currently
in the Ashville NC area.  If you or if you know of anyone in
the Ashville area that can home these kitties, please
email me purrsonally at [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 
Rita Wood, Founder
Purrever Ranch
http://www.purreverranch.org or 
http://www.gotcats.org  
[EMAIL PROTECTED]  










Rita Cockrell Wood, FounderPurrever Ranch   (A Sanctuary For Senior Kittizens)
Photo Diary Of Katrina Cat Rescue Trip 

"The worst sin towards our fellow creatures is not to hate them, but to be indifferent to them. 
That's the essence of inhumanity." George Bernard Shaw
		-- MaryChristineAIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCatsMSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED]ICQ: 289856892

Mystery of Ghandi









Hi, everyone – I took Ghandi to a vet – and there
was really nothing wrong with him according to the blood work –
everything was pretty much normal – but he ran low graded fever on and
off (between 102 and 103) – today, he has slight fever, and he is hiding
again - when it happens, I always get afraid of FIP – as one of the
common symptoms is persistent fever with unknown cause – but his blood
work did not reflect that he has anything like FIP at all – he still got
stuffy nose and eye discharge –do you have any idea..

CHICAGO- SPECIAL KITTENS NEED SPECIAL FOSTER HOME ASAP

I'm forwarding this from Cindy, a counsellor at Paws in Chicago  (I've
offered to take them from November 1, but Cindy rightly is holding out
for a home where they have the run of the place.) They sound adorable.
Please cross-post! 
Kerry


I KNOW, ANOTHER DESPERATE PLEA FOR HELP COMING YOUR WAY.  BUT PLEASE
READ IT, AND PASS ON TO AS MANY PEOPLE AS YOU CAN.  THANK YOU.

POWDER and LICORICE are two six month old brothers who recently tested
postive for Feline Leukemia.  They can no longer romp with their
playmates, and until a foster home is found, they are climbing the sides
of their cage in frustration.  Powder is an all white boy with taupe
colored eyes.  He has given head butts since he was a tiny baby; one of
those very social, easy going boys who looks at everything in life as
fun, fun, fun.  Licorice, his all black brother, is a scrappy little guy
who has always reminded me of a lanky puppy with big ears.  Both boys,
when given the chance, are happy to "nurse" on something soft,
especially when they've been provided a lap in which to cuddle.

I have fostered these kittens for PAWS since they were 6 weeks old.
I've treasured every moment of my time with them.  We will continue to
test them, in hopes that a future test result is negative.  But if not,
I can only try to find a loving home for them for whatever remaining
time they have.  I do not want Powder and Licorice to be forced to move
from place to place to place.  For some cats, this may be the route they
have to take in order to find their forever home.  These babies may not
have the luxury of that kind of time.  Please, these precious creatures
need a special person to love them.  And loving them is so easy. 

Please contact me for more information.  THANK YOU SO MUCH.

Cindy Ruback
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
773/278-9236





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RE: Felvtalk Digest, Vol 9, Issue 32-Prayers for all your babies

I am so sorry that Stinky is not doing so well - are you giving him
fluid? - I hope he will bounce back - don't give up! I will be praying
for Stinky!

hideyo

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nina
Sent: Friday, October 07, 2005 8:22 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: Felvtalk Digest, Vol 9, Issue 32-Prayers for all your
babies

I'm so sorry to hear about your Stinky.  Just having lost my sweet 
Grace, (I've got a knot in the pit of my stomach thinking about you 
guys), I know how hard this is to bear.  I know that Kyle was able to 
help Brissle with blood transfusions, it could buy you some time, 
possibly to try IM?  What does your vet say?
Nina

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Hello All:
>  
> I have not had time to check in but, our Stinky cat is not doing 
> well.  Her CBC's on Tuesday were good- no anemia but, on Wed. she 
> stopped eating and is so weak.  I give her liquid nutrition but, I 
> think our Stinky is getting too tired.
> To all of you with lost, hurting kitties or to those of you whose 
> kitties have gone on, all our prayers are with you. 
>  
> Stinky's Mom and Dad

Re: [FeLVPositiveCats] questions

2005-10-07 Thread Sheila208

I don't know if anyone has told you yet, but there is another list that is a lot busier than this you might want to join. www.felineleukemia.org

Re: Felvtalk Digest, Vol 9, Issue 32-Prayers for all your babies

I'm so sorry to hear about your Stinky.  Just having lost my sweet 
Grace, (I've got a knot in the pit of my stomach thinking about you 
guys), I know how hard this is to bear.  I know that Kyle was able to 
help Brissle with blood transfusions, it could buy you some time, 
possibly to try IM?  What does your vet say?

Nina

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Hello All:
 
I have not had time to check in but, our Stinky cat is not doing 
well.  Her CBC's on Tuesday were good- no anemia but, on Wed. she 
stopped eating and is so weak.  I give her liquid nutrition but, I 
think our Stinky is getting too tired.
To all of you with lost, hurting kitties or to those of you whose 
kitties have gone on, all our prayers are with you. 
 
Stinky's Mom and Dad

RE: Need encouragement, PLEASE

Title: Message



Great 
story Tamara. And I'm still laughing about your comment re T & J taking 
turns in the trap every night.

-Original Message-From: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
On Behalf Of tamara sticklerSent: Friday, October 07, 2005 
8:46 AMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: Need 
encouragement, PLEASE
Patti,
 
I know how you are feeling, but try not to desolve into guilt.  What 
you MUST ALWAYS REMEMBER when doing rescues, is that each animal is a complete 
soul unto itself.  While they are at the mercy of humans, they are not 
human infants.  Nature has given them brains, intelligence and a will all 
their own.  They ultimately make their own choices, and that is the way it 
is supposed to be.
 
Keep putting out the food.  Don't try to trap her againjust treat 
the barn like its her home, if she chooses to, she will come back and make it a 
home.  It could just take time.
 
A "feral" showed up at my parents home 2years ago.  They've been 
adopted by two cats that have moved from their acutal home down the street and 
my parents feed, water, vet and house the twins- Tom & Jerry and have 
been for years (they are both indoor/outdoor cats- even tho  Dad would 
rather they stay IN.)  Anyway, about 1.5 yrs ago (shorting after 
the other cat they were feeding HissPuff - a true feral who chose their company, 
but never their touch had died -they started seeing an orange blob showin 
through the woods, just sitting looking at the house.  Occasionally we 
would hear a "meow"...when Dad answered it, the cat would answer back.  A 
few months later, he came closer and eventually was eating at the front stoop 
with T & J...or rather I should say, when they weren't around.  He 
would fly whenever he saw Mom & Dad.  A few more months passed and he'd 
stay in the bushes while the bowls were filled, and cal! l to them.  His 
face was always crusted over, eyes looked like they bleed and the other cats 
would beat the sh*t out of him whenever they got the chance.  Through the 
winter, Mom couldn't stand it as he would lay curled up and shivering against 
the basement windows, but wouldn't come near anyone.  She decided to trap 
him and take him to the shelter, figuring death was better than suffering the 
elements.  She rented the trap for 10 days.  "Tabby" never showed his 
tail once.  She returned the trap, he came back, she rented it again for 
five days, again, Tabby never showed, but Tom and Jerry continued to take turns 
spending the night in it!...(idiots!)  I told Mom that he had chosen his 
own destiny, and if that was his decision, she had to respect it.  She 
agreed.  (Now, as I don't live at home, I had only seen Tabby 2 or 3 xs 
myself and everything I knew of him was relayed by Mom & Dad.  Well my 
Quintapus died, and since Mom is! worried about becoming the "cat lady" of the 
neighborhood (she really isn't a cat person at all), I made a point of meeting 
Tabby face to face.  I didn't try to touch him, but would sweet talk him 
from a distance, and he would rub against a rock or tree, roll over and 
stretch...answer back with his soft "meow".  I decided he wasn't feral, 
just scared and told Dad so.  (My father...the Cat Whispherer!  Dad 
puts the cats out-at their choice -in the early evening, tells them to "be back 
by Ten!" and they are...go figure)  I told Dad if he could work with Tabby, 
I'd take him.  All my father ever needed in life was a Mission!  SO, 
there sits my father for hours on end each evening after locking the twin 
terrors up, sweet talking the orange, puss-y, weeping bag of hair.  Three 
months later, Tabby-Bear is basically a house cat now.  His eyes look 
beautiful, Dad has threatened the twin-terrors with a supersoaker whenever they 
consider beating up! on him.  And no, he won't become my cat, he's 
Dad's.  
 
You just have to let them choose their own liveslike grown children, 
perhaps. You'll loose a few, but that's not on you.  You'll win a 
few, and really you can't take credit for that either...its THEIR choice. 
 Hang in there.
T- Original Message - 

  
  
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 

Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2005 6:58 
PM
Subject: Need encouragement, 
PLEASE

Dear List,
I am feeling VERY downtrodden & blue.  I don't know what to 
do, where to turn.  I FEEL SO OVER-RIDDEN w/ guilt, I can't stop 
crying.
 
It's a long story, I will try to condense.
Kerry is a little familiar as she is also on the Four Paws Feral list, 
and also I have mentioned "Charity's" store on this list. (Although she is 
FELV-)
 
Early in July, some cruel, a**hole dumped a box under my neighbor's 
bushes which contained a young Mama & 2, 5 week old kittens.
Needless to say, since the box was NOT secure, Mama escaped, 
(apparently to try to find her way "HOME" to the low-lifes that dumped her! 
I can not, nor will I EVER

RE: Felvtalk Digest, Vol 9, Issue 32-Prayers for all your babies

Title: Message

I'm so sorry to hear Stinky's not doing
well. Forgive me if you already told us this---is her anemia the nonregenerative
kind? (If so, I know how the PCV can plummet overnight.) Sending love & hugs
& healing vibes to Stinky, Kerry

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On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Friday, October 07, 2005
8:59 AMTo: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re:
Felvtalk Digest, Vol 9, Issue 32-Prayers for all your
babies
Hello All:
I have not had time to check in but, our Stinky cat is not doing
well. Her CBC's on Tuesday were good- no anemia but, on Wed. she stopped
eating and is so weak. I give her liquid nutrition but, I think our Stinky
is getting too tired.
To all of you with lost, hurting kitties or to those of you whose kitties
have gone on, all our prayers are with you.
Stinky's Mom and Dad
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