date:20051128

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I would, however, 
knowingly expose a kitten, vaccinated or not.
Tonya---just forbenefit of new members---you mean*not* 
expose, right. Kerry

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On Behalf Of catatonyaSent: Sunday, November 27, 2005 9:17 
PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: Postive and 
Negative Cats?
Allie,

I truly think you are safe to mix them. I always have, but I have 
vaccinated the negatives at least twice before doing so. However, 
sometimes with strays I haven't had that luxury. They were given one 
vaccination and mixed with the household. So far I haven't had any 
negatives contract the disease. I would, however, knowingly expose a 
kitten, vaccinated or not.

tonyaAllie Deaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
Thanks 
  everyone. Leo tested negative today and was vaccinated. Right now, he and Lola 
  are separate, just because she's resting and he's trying to play with her and 
  that's causing some problems. Being as how she might not have much time left 
  and he's a 4 year old, very strong cat, I think I'll let them mix for Lola's 
  remaining time on th! e planet. She's starting to lose a little weight 
  (despite having a normal appetite) and the fluid in her lungs 
  is...there...which is not a good sign. She's still acting quite happy and 
  normal other than those two things.Allie
  On 11/26/05, Nina 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  wrote: 
  Hi 
Allie,Nice to meet you and welcome. I haven't read your other 
emails to the group, but I thought I'd weigh in here with mo.I 
mixed. None of my negatives, (all adults, all vaccinated), turned up 
positive in the two years that my pos babies lived. I never worried 
about separate feeding dishes, grooming, playing, or litterboxes, (they had 
already been mixed when I found out they were pos). I did however stop 
taking in any young, old! er, sick cats, or kittens. I still have one 
cat from my pos litter of bottle babies, (Tim). He tested negative and 
has remained asymptomatic. I haven't had him retested since, I figure 
if he ever gets sick, that will be time enough. There is one other 
kitten from the litter, Lucky, (litter of 6 I found at the back door of a 
spay/neuter clinic when they were only 2 1/2 weeks old), that was adopted 
out before we learned about their status. He too is doing wonderfully 
well, but lives alone and is an inside only cat. Lucky has never been 
tested. It's a tough decision about mixing, I don't want to live in a 
separated household, but I worried for a very long time about subjecting my 
negs to the possibility of contracting this terrible disease. Usually 
when faced with these hard choices, I go with quality of life over 
quantity.Nina 
Chris wrote:

  Four of my cats lived 
  together for several years before I found out my Tucson was pos. 
  They had not been felv vaccinated and two had come in as kittens. 
  None of the other three tested pos and I vaccinate them every year. 
  I did not even consider separating as they had all lived together for 
  those years and no one had contracted felv. They eat together, use 
  the same litter box, play with the same toys, groom each other, and on and 
  on. I brought in a stray I had been feeding last year and it turned 
  out he was pos but totally asymptomatic... So, I now have 5--2 pos, 
  3 neg and my biggest problem is that Tuscon hates the latest 
  addition.
  
  
  Chris
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Behalf Of Allie DeaverSent: Friday, November 25, 2005 
8:17 PMTo: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Postive 
and Negative Cats?Hey everyone-I was 
wondering...my other cat hasn't been tested yet, but will be tomorrow. 
However, whether he is positive or negative, we have a problem. He 
either has to live with a positive cat or, when my FeLV+ kitty crosses 
teh bridge, or if he's positive and can't go into remission (he shows no 
symptoms of anything, he's a very healthy cat overall, except for the 
usual occassional kitty eye goobers and hairballs), he'll need a 
companion, since he does NOT do well alone. I've been looking for 
someone with FeLV+ cats for adoption in my area (Chicago), with no 
avail. That, and the cats I take in tend to be needy, homeless strays 
that choose me (who are then taken immediately to the vet to be tested, 
have inital rabies and FVRCP vacs and an exam before they ever meet the 
other resident cat, since I can only have 2 at a time). And anyway, if 
he's a neg, I ! have no plans to cast off my kitten just because she has 
this diagnosis. So how do you guys do it? Everything I've ever 
read says "remove all

RE: o/t2 x feline behavior Qs

Title: Message

Trouble is, I'm honestly not so sure that is the
casewith my Tiger. (It's not accompanied by purring--if it was I would
prob worry less, even tho I know cats often purr when they pass away
too.)
Certainly he gets cuddles when he does it, chiefly
because I've always thought the forehead thing in his casemeans he needs
comforting.

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feline behavior Qs
We call those kissies. Tigger is my "kisser". He will rub down the sides
ofmy face or chest with his head, but he also just plants his head against
me at times too, and purrs. He's not in any pain, he's just being sweet. You see
this motion more in dogs, where it's a sign of submission. Tigger likes it if
you reach with your arms down both sides of his body when he's got his head
against your chest, and rub his "booty" with your hands on both sides at
once.
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RE: o/t2 x feline behavior Qs

Title: Message

Thanks
Belinda!
Tiger's the only one that does it in our house (and
only to me), and as he's the one with the emotional probs, I figured what AF
said made sense---but even if were true in Tiger's case, it's clearly not the
case for all cats :)
I hope
it does just mean he wants petting.
I
tried Nina's trick--touchingPookie's tongue, and yup, he pulled it back in
sharpish. Maybe it's just an "old man" thing inPookie's case--he's a frail
but feisty 15 year old.

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feline behavior Qs(re: a)Anitra Frasier's book states that a cat that
pressesits forehead against an object is in pain.)
That's ridiculas, my Joey does this all the time, as
well as all cats do this with each other. It is a way of showing affection
and love.Joey also leaves his tongue out and sometimes for long enough
that the tip dys out, there is nothing wrong with him and the vet isn't worried
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RE: Pills and Vegetarianism (separate topics...lol)

Title: RE: Pills and Vegetarianism (separate topics...lol)






Thanks veggiepugs---sorry, haven't found your actual moniker yet!

It's interesting for me that we're having this ongoing discussion now as I just recently began getting involved with the Chicago vegan group.

I wonder how we start a separate list? 


I would love (just to stir things up) to have a set of plates with the pic and caption you mention: picture of a cat and a pig looking at each other 

and underneath, the caption says You call one a pet, and the other foodWhy?

Actualy, I'd have a ballon from a smiling cat saying, I'm a cuddly pet, followed by one from a sad pig saying And I'm food---why?

Kerry



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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of veggiepugs

Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2005 11:06 PM

To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org

Subject: Pills and Vegetarianism (separate topics...lol)



Warning...this is a LONG one and mostly about vegetarianism/animal activism. But first...


Thanks for that note on the Native American poem...I'm going to look for that. 


Nina- That's my favorite veterinary resource Marvistavet! Thanks for that link. That's how I tried it but the problem 

was, I couldn't restrain his feet with one hand while giving him the pill with the other and he reached up and 

scratched me and while I was putting the pill in his mouth, he bit down on my hand. I just thought of something that 

was recommended with my guinea pigs and wonder if it would work, but it is kind of mean, though any way you give 

a pill is going to be to the cat...It was suggested that I wrap my guinea pig in a towel...Maybe if I wrap him in a towel 

to hold his feet back, that might work. Then again, he'll probably figure out a way to get out. LOL. I'm calling the vet 

tomorrow for liquid form and see about that. 


Now...


Tonya (is that right?) about the whole vegan/vegetarian discussion...You put things very well. It is so true that people 

turn a blind eye to satisfy a craving. Many of my friends who are of Christian Faith question me and test me about my 

decisions not to eat meat. They disagree with me and believe that animals were put here for our use. Even though it's 

no longer necessary. What strikes me is that one of the basic tenets of Christian religion is thou shalt not give into 

temptation but somehow, where eating and using animals is concerned, that doesn't seem to apply. (I hope I'm not 

offending anyone here...my apologies if I have). I think though, that animals are considered by many Christians, not 

to have souls or be of importance in the kingdom of Heaven. But aren't all animals God's creatures? This, I struggle to 

understand. My boyfriend is of pretty strong Protestant belief, but he doesn't give me a hard time about it. He really 

and truly loves animals and he admires me for my decisions, and even tells everyone how cool I am about it because 

I'm not a fanatic or pushing it in people's faces. But, he too, doesn't make the connection between the animals at 

home and the animals on his plate. On one of my websites I have a picture of a cat and a pig looking at each other 

and underneath, the caption says You call one a pet, and the other foodWhy? Recently a friend of mine saw that, 

and hasn't eaten meat for a week. For him, that made the connection. I don't know if he'll stick to it, but at least he is 

trying and at least for him, something has clicked. As you said...any little bit makes a difference.


I know 2 people who actually worked in the animal industry and became vegan as a result of it. One, is the mad 

cowboy, who i don't know personally...and the other is a man named Virgil Butler, who I've spoken to quite a few 

times. He used to work for Tyson chicken and one day, something finally snapped and as he watched his fellow co-

workers mistreat the chickens and watched the process of how they come to be the food on our plates. He actually 

went up against Tyson in court in a lawsuit. If you're interested in reading about him, he's known as the cyberactivist. 

Just google that. It'll come up. 


There is a book called Dominion by Matthew Scully and it's about animal exploitation and thoughts and 

philosophies about it. He was a former speech writer for President Bush and a conservative Republican who is a 

vegetarian/vegan and gets teased of course by his colleagues. But honestly, I think anyone who cares about animals 

needs to read this book. It is life altering and really makes you think. Whether you're a veg or not. If you love 

animals. Read this book. It is well written, intelligent, makes wonderful and logical points, gets you to think and can 

change your life. It changed mine. It was the best book I have ever read. One of the points he made, which was blunt 

as could be, was:


...let us just call things what they are. When a man's love of finery clouds his moral judgement, that is vanity. When 

he lets a demanding

RE: Pills and Vegetarianism (separate topics...lol)

2005-11-28 Thread gblane


Just wanted to add that I also LOVE Marvistavet...  great resource.

Gloria
At 09:40 AM 11/28/2005, you wrote:

...

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On Behalf Of veggiepugs

Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2005 11:06 PM
To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Pills and Vegetarianism (separate topics...lol)

...
Nina- That's my favorite veterinary resource Marvistavet! Thanks for that 
link. That's how I tried it but the problem
was, I couldn't restrain his feet with one hand while giving him the pill 
with the other and he reached up and
scratched me and while I was putting the pill in his mouth, he bit down on 
my hand. I just thought of something that
was recommended with my guinea pigs and wonder if it would work, but it is 
kind of mean, though any way you give
a pill is going to be to the cat...It was suggested that I wrap my guinea 
pig in a towel...Maybe if I wrap him in a towel


to hold his feet back, that might work. Then again, he'll probably figure 
out a way to get out. LOL. I'm calling the vet


tomorrow for liquid form and see about that.

Now...

Tonya (is that right?) about the whole vegan/vegetarian discussion...You 
put things very well. It is so true that people


turn a blind eye to satisfy a craving. Many of my friends who are of 
Christian Faith question me and test me about my
decisions not to eat meat. They disagree with me and believe that animals 
were put here for our use. Even though it's
no longer necessary. What strikes me is that one of the basic tenets of 
Christian religion is thou shalt not give into


temptation but somehow, where eating and using animals is concerned, that 
doesn't seem to apply. (I hope I'm not
offending anyone here...my apologies if I have). I think though, that 
animals are considered by many Christians, not
to have souls or be of importance in the kingdom of Heaven. But aren't all 
animals God's creatures? This, I struggle to


understand. My boyfriend is of pretty strong Protestant belief, but he 
doesn't give me a hard time about it. He really
and truly loves animals and he admires me for my decisions, and even tells 
everyone how cool I am about it because
I'm not a fanatic or pushing it in people's faces. But, he too, doesn't 
make the connection between the animals at
home and the animals on his plate. On one of my websites I have a picture 
of a cat and a pig looking at each other
and underneath, the caption says You call one a pet, and the other 
foodWhy? Recently a friend of mine saw that,
and hasn't eaten meat for a week. For him, that made the connection. I 
don't know if he'll stick to it, but at least he is


trying and at least for him, something has clicked. As you said...any 
little bit makes a difference.


I know 2 people who actually worked in the animal industry and became 
vegan as a result of it. One, is the mad
cowboy, who i don't know personally...and the other is a man named Virgil 
Butler, who I've spoken to quite a few
times. He used to work for Tyson chicken and one day, something finally 
snapped and as he watched his fellow co-
workers mistreat the chickens and watched the process of how they come to 
be the food on our plates. He actually
went up against Tyson in court in a lawsuit. If you're interested in 
reading about him, he's known as the cyberactivist.


Just google that. It'll come up.

There is a book called Dominion by Matthew Scully and it's about animal 
exploitation and thoughts and
philosophies about it. He was a former speech writer for President Bush 
and a conservative Republican who is a
vegetarian/vegan and gets teased of course by his colleagues. But 
honestly, I think anyone who cares about animals
needs to read this book. It is life altering and really makes you think. 
Whether you're a veg or not. If you love
animals. Read this book. It is well written, intelligent, makes wonderful 
and logical points, gets you to think and can


change your life. It changed mine. It was the best book I have ever read. 
One of the points he made, which was blunt

as could be, was:

...let us just call things what they are. When a man's love of finery 
clouds his moral judgement, that is vanity. When


he lets a demanding palate make his moral choices, that is gluttony. When 
he ascribes the divine will to his own
whims, that is pride. And when he gets angry at being reminded of animal 
suffering that his own daily choices might

help avoid, that is moral cowardice. ~Matthew Scully

Harsh as that may be, it does hold some merit. I think. But it's what many 
people have to do. I don't begrudge people
their decisions to follow what is a traditional and long standing way of 
life. To choose the route of vegetarianism or
veganism is life altering. But not as much, or in the way that one might 
think. It is very painful to recognize the actual


reality of the animal industry and to make the connection. It's not 
something many people can handle.

RE: Pills and Vegetarianism (separate topics...lol)

Thanks Jenn---just saw this/your email. Yes, I'll rejoin. Kerry
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Monday, November 28, 2005 12:23 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: Pills and Vegetarianism (separate topics...lol)

we had an OT list I made, but I switched hosts, and so now everyone
would have to
RE-sign up for it, but it's easier this time.. I'll test it and make
sure it works,
then post the info on how to subscribe. It's different than how this
list or my old
one worked.

Jenn
http://ucat.us
http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html
Adopt a cat from UCAT rescue:
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cat who must
live on a liquid diet for the rest of his life.
Bazil's caretaker collects labels and sends them to KMR, where they add
up until she
earns a free can of formula!
PLEASE save your KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil!
If you use KMR, even just one can, please email me for the NEW address
to send them
to!
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Does your cat have chronic diarrhea that does not respond to treatment,
or has your
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OT: GLOW for the poor cheetah babies

2005-11-28 Thread Moermond, Barb









http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/africa/11/28/ethiopia.cheetahs.ap/index.html







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608*266*3091

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The fact that some geniuses were laughed at does not
imply that all who are laughed at are geniuses. They laughed at Columbus, they laughed
at Fulton, they laughed
at the Wright brothers. But they also laughed at Bozo the Clown.
- Carl Sagan

RE: GLOW for the poor cheetah babies

Title: Message

It's
beyond heartbreaking. It makes you think about all the other poor animals who
are still waiting, in most casesin vain,for that miracle to
occur.
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CASEBIER'; 'felvtalk@felineleukemia.org'Subject: OT: GLOW for the
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The
fact that some geniuses were laughed at does not imply that all who are laughed
at are geniuses. They laughed at Columbus,
they laughed at Fulton,
they laughed at the Wright brothers. But they also laughed at Bozo the
Clown.-
Carl Sagan

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Texas - FELV Seal Lynx Point Ragdoll needs home

2005-11-28 Thread Gloria Lane

Anybody in Texas that can take a gorgeous FELV Ragdoll?

Gloria

Begin forwarded message:

From: MeLinda Hughes [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: November 27, 2005 6:08:09 PM CST
To: Gloria B. Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Re: Clinic

Gloria:
I am trying to place another FeLV+ female, a gorgeous Seal Lynx  
Point Ragdoll with the best personality. She is in good shape,  
shows no signs of illness, is spayed, has had all her shots, been  
dewormed, etc. Unfortunately, I don't have any isolation space to  
keep her, so I am trying to get her into a good rescue like yours,  
where I know she will be well taken care of. She is a precious  
girl. Please let me know if you can help.

MeLinda

RE: Texas - FELV Seal Lynx Point Ragdoll needs home

2005-11-28 Thread Tracy Weese

Sometime Siamese Rescue can help.  They adopted 2 out to me (I'm in WV) but
others have found homes much closer, I think another list member also got
at least one cat/kitten from them (w/FeLV).

 [Original Message]
 From: Gloria Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: 11/28/2005 12:01:23 PM
 Subject: Texas - FELV Seal Lynx Point Ragdoll needs home

 Anybody in Texas that can take a gorgeous FELV Ragdoll?

 Gloria

 Begin forwarded message:

  From: MeLinda Hughes [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Date: November 27, 2005 6:08:09 PM CST
  To: Gloria B. Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Subject: Re: Re: Clinic

  Gloria:
  I am trying to place another FeLV+ female, a gorgeous Seal Lynx  
  Point Ragdoll with the best personality. She is in good shape,  
  shows no signs of illness, is spayed, has had all her shots, been  
  dewormed, etc. Unfortunately, I don't have any isolation space to  
  keep her, so I am trying to get her into a good rescue like yours,  
  where I know she will be well taken care of. She is a precious  
  girl. Please let me know if you can help.

  MeLinda

RE: GLOW for the poor cheetah babies

2005-11-28 Thread Barb Moermond

I know and I cry just thinking about it and am made aware, yet again, how grateful I am to be in contact with each and every one of the members here and how much I really can do without "people" in general. There was a Frank and Ernest comic strip that I saved for years and years and it sums it up very well. The planet Earth is talking to another planet, probably Venus and is saying "It started in the Tigris-Euphrates valley and just spread from there." That particular point is also made in The Matrix - humanity doesn'tbehave like other mammals, they behave like a virus."MacKenzie, Kerry N." [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's beyond heartbreaking. It makes you think about all the other poor animals who are still waiting, in most casesin vain,for
that miracle to occur. -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Moermond, BarbSent: Monday, November 28, 2005 10:41 AMTo: 'Hoopman, Joseph H'; 'Joseph Hoopman'; 'Mari E. Kolbe'; 'TenHouseCats'; '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'; Lehrman, Cindy; Wilkison, Nancy; 'KAREN G CASEBIER'; 'felvtalk@felineleukemia.org'Subject: OT: GLOW for the poor cheetah babieshttp://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/africa/11/28/ethiopia.cheetahs.ap/index.html- Barb Moermond 608*266*3091 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -The fact that some geniuses were laughed at does not imply that all who are laughed at are geniuses. They laughed at Columbus, they laughed at Fulton, they laughed at the Wright brothers. But they also laughed at Bozo the Clown.- Carl Sagan =00IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed above as to tax matters was neither written nor intended by the sender or Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP to be used and cannot be used by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding tax penalties that may be imposed under U.S. tax law. If any person uses or refers to any such tax advice in promoting, marketing or recommending a partnership or other entity, investment plan or arrangement to
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RE: Texas - FELV Seal Lynx Point Ragdoll needs home

2005-11-28 Thread gblane


Thanks, Tracy, great idea!

Gloria

At 11:03 AM 11/28/2005, you wrote:

Sometime Siamese Rescue can help.  They adopted 2 out to me (I'm in WV) but
others have found homes much closer, I think another list member also got
at least one cat/kitten from them (w/FeLV).


 [Original Message]
 From: Gloria Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: 11/28/2005 12:01:23 PM
 Subject: Texas - FELV Seal Lynx Point Ragdoll needs home

 Anybody in Texas that can take a gorgeous FELV Ragdoll?

 Gloria

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  Date: November 27, 2005 6:08:09 PM CST
  To: Gloria B. Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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  Gloria:
  I am trying to place another FeLV+ female, a gorgeous Seal Lynx
  Point Ragdoll with the best personality. She is in good shape,
  shows no signs of illness, is spayed, has had all her shots, been
  dewormed, etc. Unfortunately, I don't have any isolation space to
  keep her, so I am trying to get her into a good rescue like yours,
  where I know she will be well taken care of. She is a precious
  girl. Please let me know if you can help.
 
  MeLinda

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Re: litterboxes

The image of you racing to retrieve errant bags is so funny!  We do 
adjust, don't we? :)

N

Lora wrote:


ROTFLMAO! Little dears my foot! More like little
snots! :)

Yep, I have a two (2) fur-kids who absolutely LOVE to
piddle on plastic; especially plastic bags!

It completely baffles me as to WHY they choose to pee
on top of a plastic bag that is lying on the floor,
but they do.

So now, it is a race for the chase of the plastic
bag! Once I walk though the door with Wal-Mart bags
in hand, its on! I have to fight the kids for the
empty bags and quickly put them away (we recycle)
before ANYone can get ahold of them.

My kids have trained me well!

Perhaps why a cat pees on a plastic bag will always be
a mystery, I do not know. I have been doing rescue
work for over 20 years and have been a cat-mom for 9
and I STILL cannot explain it.

Whoever discovers which ingredient (in plastic) that
cats are attracted to, will be forever rich! All
he/she has to do it put that mystery ingredient in a
bottle and sell it and they will make millions.

Just sprinkle/spray that mystery ingredient inside
any/all litter boxes (kinda like Attract-A-Cat) and
cats will never be tempted to pee on plastic again!

Ah! That would be the day! Until then, me and my kids
continue to fight over the plastic bags! LOL. 


Lora

RE: My dear Garfunkle's new departure

Hi, everyone, again thank you very much for all the prayers for
Garfunkle.
A miracle did happened after he was so close to death a couple of weeks
ago, it was really a miracle and that Garfunkle's strong will power that
made it happen (and all your prayers) so that he could come back for me
so that I could spend more time with him.  Every day I had with him, I
treasured it so much.. I loved him like there is no tomorrow.. and now
there is no tomorrow.. at least in a physical sense.. I can't hold my
baby Garfunkle any more in my arms.. and can't stand a thought of not
being able to.

This morning, he crossed the bridge to his new and a better life.. life
without no pain.  He fought so hard for me, and we fought so hard
together..he was with me in my arms when he took the last breath.  Nina,
you were right,,, I am never going to be ready for them to leave.. but
at least, Garfunkle gave me the 2nd chance so that I could cherish the
time with him, and I did.  But, I wanted more.

There are always, what if.. what if I did not give him that.. what if I
took him to the vet sooner,.. what if I paid more attention to him...
but I am try not to do that.. because Garfunlke gave me everything he's
got to love me,,, and in my mind, I did the same... I loved him so much
and I still love him and I will ALWAYS love him.  I just miss him so
terribly... I can't imagine my life without him.  Yeah... I have so many
cats.. but it does not matter,,, each one of them are so special to me,
and I can't stand the pain of not having any of them.. and Garfunlke was
sure a special boy to me.  He always came to say hi to me... every
single time he sees him.. and I am going to miss it so bad.

Garfunkle was and is such a fighter... such a caring soul.. everyone
(kitty) loved and loves him so very much.. he is such a sweet potato
lover.. god I miss him, and I want to cry.. but I am trying not to..
because, I want Garfnkle to feel good about his new departure.  

Everyone, please join celebrate Garfunlke's new departure.  We (me and
kitties) had a celebration party for Garfunkle this morning.. (they all
got tune treat!.. thanking Garfunkle for everything he has given to all
of us.


PS.  My Ginger started eating yesterday after three months of not
eating!!! This must be a genuine gift from Garfunkle to me and Ginger.

Re: My dear Garfunkle's new departure

2005-11-28 Thread Lernermichelle




Hideyo, I am so, so sorry for you and Garfunkle. But what a miracle 
and blessing that Ginger is now eating.
Michelle

RE: My dear Garfunkle's new departure

Hideyo, I'm so sorry that you've lost Garfunkle. I know every extra day you had with him wasa treasure.Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, everyone, again thank you very much for all the prayers forGarfunkle.A miracle did happened after he was so close to death a couple of weeksago, it was really a miracle and that Garfunkle's strong will power thatmade it happen (and all your prayers) so that he could come back for meso that I could spend more time with him. Every day I had with him, Itreasured it so much.. I loved him like there is no tomorrow.. and nowthere is no tomorrow.. at least in a physical sense.. I can't hold mybaby Garfunkle any more in my arms.. and can't stand a thought of notbeing able to.This morning, he crossed the bridge to his new and a better life..
lifewithout no pain. He fought so hard for me, and we fought so hardtogether..he was with me in my arms when he took the last breath. Nina,you were right,,, I am never going to be ready for them to leave.. butat least, Garfunkle gave me the 2nd chance so that I could cherish thetime with him, and I did. But, I wanted more.There are always, what if.. what if I did not give him that.. what if Itook him to the vet sooner,.. what if I paid more attention to him...but I am try not to do that.. because Garfunlke gave me everything he'sgot to love me,,, and in my mind, I did the same... I loved him so muchand I still love him and I will ALWAYS love him. I just miss him soterribly... I can't imagine my life without him. Yeah... I have so manycats.. but it does not matter,,, each one of them are so special to me,and I can't stand the pain of not having any of them.. and Garfunlke wassure a special boy to me. He always came to say hi
to me... everysingle time he sees him.. and I am going to miss it so bad.Garfunkle was and is such a fighter... such a caring soul.. everyone(kitty) loved and loves him so very much.. he is such a sweet potatolover.. god I miss him, and I want to cry.. but I am trying not to..because, I want Garfnkle to feel good about his new departure. Everyone, please join celebrate Garfunlke's new departure. We (me andkitties) had a celebration party for Garfunkle this morning.. (they allgot tune treat!.. thanking Garfunkle for everything he has given to allof us.PS. My Ginger started eating yesterday after three months of noteating!!! This must be a genuine gift from Garfunkle to me and Ginger.

RE: My dear Garfunkle's new departure

2005-11-28 Thread Barb Moermond

Hideyo, I'm so glad you were able to be with him when he passed. You shared a special bond and I'm sure he's watching you from the Bridge.Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, everyone, again thank you very much for all the prayers forGarfunkle.A miracle did happened after he was so close to death a couple of weeksago, it was really a miracle and that Garfunkle's strong will power thatmade it happen (and all your prayers) so that he could come back for meso that I could spend more time with him. Every day I had with him, Itreasured it so much.. I loved him like there is no tomorrow.. and nowthere is no tomorrow.. at least in a physical sense.. I can't hold mybaby Garfunkle any more in my arms.. and can't stand a thought of notbeing able to.This morning, he
crossed the bridge to his new and a better life.. lifewithout no pain. He fought so hard for me, and we fought so hardtogether..he was with me in my arms when he took the last breath. Nina,you were right,,, I am never going to be ready for them to leave.. butat least, Garfunkle gave me the 2nd chance so that I could cherish thetime with him, and I did. But, I wanted more.There are always, what if.. what if I did not give him that.. what if Itook him to the vet sooner,.. what if I paid more attention to him...but I am try not to do that.. because Garfunlke gave me everything he'sgot to love me,,, and in my mind, I did the same... I loved him so muchand I still love him and I will ALWAYS love him. I just miss him soterribly... I can't imagine my life without him. Yeah... I have so manycats.. but it does not matter,,, each one of them are so special to me,and I can't stand the pain of not having any of them.. and Garfunlke
wassure a special boy to me. He always came to say hi to me... everysingle time he sees him.. and I am going to miss it so bad.Garfunkle was and is such a fighter... such a caring soul.. everyone(kitty) loved and loves him so very much.. he is such a sweet potatolover.. god I miss him, and I want to cry.. but I am trying not to..because, I want Garfnkle to feel good about his new departure. Everyone, please join celebrate Garfunlke's new departure. We (me andkitties) had a celebration party for Garfunkle this morning.. (they allgot tune treat!.. thanking Garfunkle for everything he has given to allof us.PS. My Ginger started eating yesterday after three months of noteating!!! This must be a genuine gift from Garfunkle to me and Ginger. Barb+Smoky the House Puma+El Bandito Malito"My cat the clown: paying no mind to whom he should impress. Merely living
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Re: Thank you

2005-11-28 Thread wendy

Sherry,

Maizee Grace sounds so ADORABLE!!!  I am so sorry you
lost her.  She will be dearly missed.  I am finding
comfort in picturing my lost baby doing the cute
things he used to do.  I'll sit on the couch and
picture him strutting through the living room.  Or on
my chest when I'm going to sleep.  Or jumping high to
catch his toy.  It helps.  

:)
Wendy



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litter/Pills

Has anyone heard of Cat Attract Litter?

http://www.preciouscat.com/WebPages/catattract.html

I just read about this on a kitty behavior page. The website owner swears by 
it. Not the manufacturer, a person with cats. lol.

Patti
I do happen to have a mortar and pestle. Yay!
=)
Rebecca

Re: My dear Garfunkle's new departure


Oh Hideyo,
I know how much you love each and every one of your babies, and how 
special Garfunkle is to you.  I've been thinking about you and have been 
wanting to call you for the past few days to see how things were going.  
Don't hold back the tears darling, Garfunkle understands.  I think it's 
wonderful that you celebrated his life with a new life party, what a 
wonderful idea, very therapeutic, I hope it was healing for everyone.  
As always, you are in my heart, thoughts and prayers.  Bless you sweetheart,

Much love to you,
Nina

Hideyo Yamamoto wrote:


Hi, everyone, again thank you very much for all the prayers for
Garfunkle.
A miracle did happened after he was so close to death a couple of weeks
ago, it was really a miracle and that Garfunkle's strong will power that
made it happen (and all your prayers) so that he could come back for me
so that I could spend more time with him.  Every day I had with him, I
treasured it so much.. I loved him like there is no tomorrow.. and now
there is no tomorrow.. at least in a physical sense.. I can't hold my
baby Garfunkle any more in my arms.. and can't stand a thought of not
being able to.

This morning, he crossed the bridge to his new and a better life.. life
without no pain.  He fought so hard for me, and we fought so hard
together..he was with me in my arms when he took the last breath.  Nina,
you were right,,, I am never going to be ready for them to leave.. but
at least, Garfunkle gave me the 2nd chance so that I could cherish the
time with him, and I did.  But, I wanted more.

There are always, what if.. what if I did not give him that.. what if I
took him to the vet sooner,.. what if I paid more attention to him...
but I am try not to do that.. because Garfunlke gave me everything he's
got to love me,,, and in my mind, I did the same... I loved him so much
and I still love him and I will ALWAYS love him.  I just miss him so
terribly... I can't imagine my life without him.  Yeah... I have so many
cats.. but it does not matter,,, each one of them are so special to me,
and I can't stand the pain of not having any of them.. and Garfunlke was
sure a special boy to me.  He always came to say hi to me... every
single time he sees him.. and I am going to miss it so bad.

Garfunkle was and is such a fighter... such a caring soul.. everyone
(kitty) loved and loves him so very much.. he is such a sweet potato
lover.. god I miss him, and I want to cry.. but I am trying not to..
because, I want Garfnkle to feel good about his new departure.  


Everyone, please join celebrate Garfunlke's new departure.  We (me and
kitties) had a celebration party for Garfunkle this morning.. (they all
got tune treat!.. thanking Garfunkle for everything he has given to all
of us.


PS.  My Ginger started eating yesterday after three months of not
eating!!! This must be a genuine gift from Garfunkle to me and Ginger.

Re: Felvtalk Digest, Vol 10, Issue 211

Hey Kerry-
veggiepugs = Rebecca...lol.

Hey Kerry if you're interested in starting an online vegan group with me, we 
can make one on yahoo groups or you can join one of the many already there. 

http://linusnlucy.com/Food.html

That's the page on my website with the photo and a discussion of feeding dogs a 
vegan diet. Scroll down to the bottom to see the photo. 

There's also a photo on a shirt I've seen that has a dog sitting on a plate 
with the knife and fork alongside it and underneath it says: Why not? You eat 
other animals don't you?

=)
Rebecca



Message: 2
Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 09:40:58 -0600
From: MacKenzie, Kerry N. [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: Pills and Vegetarianism (separate topics...lol)
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Message-ID:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii

Thanks veggiepugs---sorry, haven't found your actual moniker yet!
It's interesting for me that we're having this ongoing discussion now as
I just recently began getting involved with the Chicago vegan group.

I wonder how we start a separate list?

I would love (just to stir things up) to have a set of plates with the
pic and caption you mention: picture of a cat and a pig looking at
each other
and underneath, the caption says You call one a pet, and the other
foodWhy?
Actualy, I'd have a ballon from a smiling cat saying, I'm a cuddly pet,
followed by one from a sad pig saying And I'm food---why?
Kerry

RE: My dear Garfunkle's new departure

Thanks, Nina.. I pretend to be strong.. but you know how messed up I
am.. I am crying my tears out, Nina.  I think that I gave something
(homeopathic treatment) to him that did something bad to him.. because
he went down right after that.. this is one of my what if... thing..
and I so regret it, Nina.  But - I know that Garfunkle had a good life
--I just so wish to have more of it!  I will talk to Jasmine tomorrow to
see if I can talk to Garfunkle in his new life.

Thank you for thinking of me and my babies.

Hideyo

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nina
Sent: Monday, November 28, 2005 11:41 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: My dear Garfunkle's new departure

Oh Hideyo,
I know how much you love each and every one of your babies, and how 
special Garfunkle is to you.  I've been thinking about you and have been

wanting to call you for the past few days to see how things were going.

Don't hold back the tears darling, Garfunkle understands.  I think it's 
wonderful that you celebrated his life with a new life party, what a 
wonderful idea, very therapeutic, I hope it was healing for everyone.  
As always, you are in my heart, thoughts and prayers.  Bless you
sweetheart,
Much love to you,
Nina

Hideyo Yamamoto wrote:

Hi, everyone, again thank you very much for all the prayers for
Garfunkle.
A miracle did happened after he was so close to death a couple of weeks
ago, it was really a miracle and that Garfunkle's strong will power
that
made it happen (and all your prayers) so that he could come back for me
so that I could spend more time with him.  Every day I had with him, I
treasured it so much.. I loved him like there is no tomorrow.. and now
there is no tomorrow.. at least in a physical sense.. I can't hold my
baby Garfunkle any more in my arms.. and can't stand a thought of not
being able to.

This morning, he crossed the bridge to his new and a better life.. life
without no pain.  He fought so hard for me, and we fought so hard
together..he was with me in my arms when he took the last breath.
Nina,
you were right,,, I am never going to be ready for them to leave.. but
at least, Garfunkle gave me the 2nd chance so that I could cherish the
time with him, and I did.  But, I wanted more.

There are always, what if.. what if I did not give him that.. what if I
took him to the vet sooner,.. what if I paid more attention to him...
but I am try not to do that.. because Garfunlke gave me everything he's
got to love me,,, and in my mind, I did the same... I loved him so much
and I still love him and I will ALWAYS love him.  I just miss him so
terribly... I can't imagine my life without him.  Yeah... I have so
many
cats.. but it does not matter,,, each one of them are so special to me,
and I can't stand the pain of not having any of them.. and Garfunlke
was
sure a special boy to me.  He always came to say hi to me... every
single time he sees him.. and I am going to miss it so bad.

Garfunkle was and is such a fighter... such a caring soul.. everyone
(kitty) loved and loves him so very much.. he is such a sweet potato
lover.. god I miss him, and I want to cry.. but I am trying not to..
because, I want Garfnkle to feel good about his new departure.  

Everyone, please join celebrate Garfunlke's new departure.  We (me and
kitties) had a celebration party for Garfunkle this morning.. (they all
got tune treat!.. thanking Garfunkle for everything he has given to all
of us.


PS.  My Ginger started eating yesterday after three months of not
eating!!! This must be a genuine gift from Garfunkle to me and Ginger.

Re: My dear Garfunkle's new departure

2005-11-28 Thread Lernermichelle





In a message dated 11/28/2005 2:16:12 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 I 
  think that I gave something(homeopathic treatment) to him that did 
  something bad to him.. becausehe went down right after that.. 


Hideyo, I do not think it is possible to harm with homeopathic 
treatments. 
Michelle

OT: McCartney attacks China over fur

2005-11-28 Thread BONNIE J KALMBACH

not for the faint of heart

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Garfunkle

Hideyo-
I am sorry to hear about Garfunkle, but glad to know that you were granted that 
extra time with him to say your goodbyes and send him off to his new life. That 
was a very touching email. You sound like a very special person that Garfunkle 
and every one of your kitties is lucky to have. Hugs to you...
Rebecca

RE: My dear Garfunkle's new departure

Dearest Hideyo
You are being so brave, and here I am crying. You and your sweet
Garfunkle have been through so much together--I'm so, so sorry, you and
he had such a special bond, I can't believe his time came. You and he
fought such a good fight, you really did. You have both been so brave.
You are so brave. I'm blown away by your being strong enough to
celebrate Garfunkle's life with your other kitties--that's truly
wonderful and so inspiring. 
Garfunkle's life was cut short, but I'm glad the life he had was with
you--he couldn't have been more loved anywhere than in your house,
Hideyo.
It's so good to hear Ginger is eating. Isn't it amazing the way life
works sometimes.
Much love and good health to you and your furballs, Hideyo. 
Thinking of you as always,
Kerry

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hideyo
Yamamoto
Sent: Monday, November 28, 2005 11:50 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: RE: My dear Garfunkle's new departure


Hi, everyone, again thank you very much for all the prayers for
Garfunkle.
A miracle did happened after he was so close to death a couple of weeks
ago, it was really a miracle and that Garfunkle's strong will power that
made it happen (and all your prayers) so that he could come back for me
so that I could spend more time with him.  Every day I had with him, I
treasured it so much.. I loved him like there is no tomorrow.. and now
there is no tomorrow.. at least in a physical sense.. I can't hold my
baby Garfunkle any more in my arms.. and can't stand a thought of not
being able to.

This morning, he crossed the bridge to his new and a better life.. life
without no pain.  He fought so hard for me, and we fought so hard
together..he was with me in my arms when he took the last breath.  Nina,
you were right,,, I am never going to be ready for them to leave.. but
at least, Garfunkle gave me the 2nd chance so that I could cherish the
time with him, and I did.  But, I wanted more.

There are always, what if.. what if I did not give him that.. what if I
took him to the vet sooner,.. what if I paid more attention to him...
but I am try not to do that.. because Garfunlke gave me everything he's
got to love me,,, and in my mind, I did the same... I loved him so much
and I still love him and I will ALWAYS love him.  I just miss him so
terribly... I can't imagine my life without him.  Yeah... I have so many
cats.. but it does not matter,,, each one of them are so special to me,
and I can't stand the pain of not having any of them.. and Garfunlke was
sure a special boy to me.  He always came to say hi to me... every
single time he sees him.. and I am going to miss it so bad.

Garfunkle was and is such a fighter... such a caring soul.. everyone
(kitty) loved and loves him so very much.. he is such a sweet potato
lover.. god I miss him, and I want to cry.. but I am trying not to..
because, I want Garfnkle to feel good about his new departure.  

Everyone, please join celebrate Garfunlke's new departure.  We (me and
kitties) had a celebration party for Garfunkle this morning.. (they all
got tune treat!.. thanking Garfunkle for everything he has given to all
of us.


PS.  My Ginger started eating yesterday after three months of not
eating!!! This must be a genuine gift from Garfunkle to me and Ginger.




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Re: Garfunkle

2005-11-28 Thread Kat

Dear Hideyo,

I'm sooo sorry to hear this - there are no words really,
so I'm sending cyber-hugs and prayers to you.  You are
such a good meowmie, please be gentle with yourself.

Kat (Mew Jersey)

Re: My dear Garfunkle's new departure


Hideyo,
You know my opinion on what ifs.  Whatever we do that we think was 
detrimental, can be turned around on us.  You gave Garfunkle something 
that you suspect did something bad to him, (I doubt it), but what if 
you hadn't tried whatever it was?  Then right now you'd be thinking, 
Oh, if only I'd given him that homeopathic I wanted to try, maybe he'd 
still be with me.  You can't win that game, and I know you know that.  
It's all part of the pain of letting go and knowing that we are not in 
control the way we wish we were.


As far as you not being strong...  You are one of the strongest people I 
know.  There is no greater champion for those who can't speak, or act 
for themselves.  What you do, and you do so much, takes guts and 
courage.  It's only common sense to realize that the more animals we 
take in, (esp when those animals have had a rough start and are at a 
disadvantage to begin with), the more probability there is for loss.  
Yet you continue to help all those that cross your path.  You fight like 
a tiger protecting their young, don't tell me you aren't strong.  You 
are very strong, strong of heart and strong of spirit.  There is NOTHING 
weak about mourning the loss of our babies physical presence, nothing 
weak about not wanting to let go.  The only thing messed up is the 
seeming injustice of life.  Life, unfortunately is a death sentence.  
Every creature born is terminal, I know that you know, it's how we share 
our time together, whether long, or short, that matters.  Many blessings 
to you Hideyo, you're my kind of human.

Nina

Hideyo Yamamoto wrote:


Thanks, Nina.. I pretend to be strong.. but you know how messed up I
am.. I am crying my tears out, Nina.  I think that I gave something
(homeopathic treatment) to him that did something bad to him.. because
he went down right after that.. this is one of my what if... thing..
and I so regret it, Nina.  But - I know that Garfunkle had a good life
--I just so wish to have more of it!  I will talk to Jasmine tomorrow to
see if I can talk to Garfunkle in his new life.

Thank you for thinking of me and my babies.

Hideyo

Garfunkle

2005-11-28 Thread wendy

Hideyo,

I am so sorry that you lost Garfunkle.  I was so
surprised to read your email today, and I thought back
to when he was in such a dire situation not too long
ago, and how he pulled out probably so that he could
spend more time with you and probably to help you
prepare for this, if that's possible.  I am very
interested to hear what the AC tells you.  Please
share when and if you are able to.  I will keep you in
my prayers, and again, I am so sorry about Garfunkle.

:)
Wendy




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Re: Lost my Lancelot - add to bridge list

Yes, my little Carla was feleuk positive. She and her 2 brothers and 1 sister were rescues from Little Rock Animal Services when they were babies. Carla was the only long-term survivor. She was solid black and such a little doll -- never got any bigger than maybe a 3 month old kitten. Skinny as a rail, but a good eater. LOVED to climb up on me at night and make biscuits! She was around 3 when she died. Off and on she had "down" periods - I'd come in and find her stretched out and not moving, dehydrated and seemingly at death's door. But a boost of Ringers subQ and a little rest and baby food and she'd be up and running again. That is what happened her last evening. She had seemed to recover and was eating again and purring and I didn't notice any difference in that time or the ones before. In fact I was so sure she was OK that I left her in my spare bedroom piled up with her buddies and
didn't take her to bed with me or stay in there with her. But obviously something was different because the next morning she was gone. It took me so by surprise and was such a hard loss. She'd been so thin for so long, and so small, but had just kept on going. I guess I was lulled into thinking that she was going to be a survivor. I sure do miss my scrawny looking cuddle-baby Carlita. She was such a joy.[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No but add Carla to the list too! Carla was Susan's little kitten - had such a short but loved life. Susan's on the FELVtalk list, but out of school now and doesn't check her email except at school. I can't recall if Carla was FELV or not, but I think so...will check with her later and let you know.GloriaNina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote :
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Re: Lost my Lancelot - add to bridge list


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RE: Garfunkle

Rebecca, thank you very much for your sweet email - I appreciate it so
very much.  When I felt that he might be getting ready to cross the
bridge.. I cried and begged him not to go.. I said to him.. you can't
leave me here without you, Garfunkle and I realized that it was
selfish and cruel thing for me to ask.. so.. I asked him.. no matter
where you are, I will always love you, and think of you.. our souls will
be together.. so if you need to go... don't worry.. I will be ok.. just
remember that everyone loves you so very much.. you are and always will
be my favorite Garfunkle..

I wish he did not suffer too much at the end.. he had a difficult time
breathing at the end.. but now he is free of pain.. and feeling better.

Hideyo

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of veggiepugs
Sent: Monday, November 28, 2005 12:31 PM
To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Garfunkle

Hideyo-
I am sorry to hear about Garfunkle, but glad to know that you were
granted that extra time with him to say your goodbyes and send him off
to his new life. That was a very touching email. You sound like a very
special person that Garfunkle and every one of your kitties is lucky to
have. Hugs to you...
Rebecca

RE: Garfunkle

Thank you so very much, Wendy.. I will write you back again after I talk
to Jasmin (my AC).. 

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of wendy
Sent: Monday, November 28, 2005 12:45 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Garfunkle

Hideyo,

I am so sorry that you lost Garfunkle.  I was so
surprised to read your email today, and I thought back
to when he was in such a dire situation not too long
ago, and how he pulled out probably so that he could
spend more time with you and probably to help you
prepare for this, if that's possible.  I am very
interested to hear what the AC tells you.  Please
share when and if you are able to.  I will keep you in
my prayers, and again, I am so sorry about Garfunkle.

:)
Wendy

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RE: My dear Garfunkle's new departure

Thank you, Kerry very much - Additional couple of weeks that Garf gave
to me was so special... now I was greedy. I wanted to more...He purred
until the very last minute.. that was blessing.. he always likes to make
me happy and takes care of me.

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of MacKenzie,
Kerry N.
Sent: Monday, November 28, 2005 12:33 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: RE: My dear Garfunkle's new departure

Dearest Hideyo
You are being so brave, and here I am crying. You and your sweet
Garfunkle have been through so much together--I'm so, so sorry, you and
he had such a special bond, I can't believe his time came. You and he
fought such a good fight, you really did. You have both been so brave.
You are so brave. I'm blown away by your being strong enough to
celebrate Garfunkle's life with your other kitties--that's truly
wonderful and so inspiring. 
Garfunkle's life was cut short, but I'm glad the life he had was with
you--he couldn't have been more loved anywhere than in your house,
Hideyo.
It's so good to hear Ginger is eating. Isn't it amazing the way life
works sometimes.
Much love and good health to you and your furballs, Hideyo. 
Thinking of you as always,
Kerry

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hideyo
Yamamoto
Sent: Monday, November 28, 2005 11:50 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: RE: My dear Garfunkle's new departure


Hi, everyone, again thank you very much for all the prayers for
Garfunkle.
A miracle did happened after he was so close to death a couple of weeks
ago, it was really a miracle and that Garfunkle's strong will power that
made it happen (and all your prayers) so that he could come back for me
so that I could spend more time with him.  Every day I had with him, I
treasured it so much.. I loved him like there is no tomorrow.. and now
there is no tomorrow.. at least in a physical sense.. I can't hold my
baby Garfunkle any more in my arms.. and can't stand a thought of not
being able to.

This morning, he crossed the bridge to his new and a better life.. life
without no pain.  He fought so hard for me, and we fought so hard
together..he was with me in my arms when he took the last breath.  Nina,
you were right,,, I am never going to be ready for them to leave.. but
at least, Garfunkle gave me the 2nd chance so that I could cherish the
time with him, and I did.  But, I wanted more.

There are always, what if.. what if I did not give him that.. what if I
took him to the vet sooner,.. what if I paid more attention to him...
but I am try not to do that.. because Garfunlke gave me everything he's
got to love me,,, and in my mind, I did the same... I loved him so much
and I still love him and I will ALWAYS love him.  I just miss him so
terribly... I can't imagine my life without him.  Yeah... I have so many
cats.. but it does not matter,,, each one of them are so special to me,
and I can't stand the pain of not having any of them.. and Garfunlke was
sure a special boy to me.  He always came to say hi to me... every
single time he sees him.. and I am going to miss it so bad.

Garfunkle was and is such a fighter... such a caring soul.. everyone
(kitty) loved and loves him so very much.. he is such a sweet potato
lover.. god I miss him, and I want to cry.. but I am trying not to..
because, I want Garfnkle to feel good about his new departure.  

Everyone, please join celebrate Garfunlke's new departure.  We (me and
kitties) had a celebration party for Garfunkle this morning.. (they all
got tune treat!.. thanking Garfunkle for everything he has given to all
of us.


PS.  My Ginger started eating yesterday after three months of not
eating!!! This must be a genuine gift from Garfunkle to me and Ginger.




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RE: My dear Garfunkle's new departure

Nina,, you are now making me cry more ---
Thank you for everything you say...
The only down side is having so many of animals is that.. I can't just
keep crying.. I wanted to.. I wanted to be right besides Garfunkle after
he passed, and kept holding him until I get tired of crying...but I
couldn't.. everyone is looking at me, and meowing.. so I needed to keep
moving..

My hearing (for animal control) is set for December 19th - and also
animal control filed criminal complaint about me not complying with
their order... so I have to go to hearing about that, too.

I am a bit freaking out.. but I have to keep moving.. because I have got
too much to lose if I don't..

If anyone would write me a letter to vouch me as a care taker of my
animals.. I will be grateful.. I will be sharing it at the hearing so
that they don't think I am some sort of hoarder that I don't take care
of my animals.



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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nina
Sent: Monday, November 28, 2005 12:38 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: My dear Garfunkle's new departure

Hideyo,
You know my opinion on what ifs.  Whatever we do that we think was 
detrimental, can be turned around on us.  You gave Garfunkle something 
that you suspect did something bad to him, (I doubt it), but what if 
you hadn't tried whatever it was?  Then right now you'd be thinking, 
Oh, if only I'd given him that homeopathic I wanted to try, maybe he'd 
still be with me.  You can't win that game, and I know you know that.  
It's all part of the pain of letting go and knowing that we are not in 
control the way we wish we were.

As far as you not being strong...  You are one of the strongest people I

know.  There is no greater champion for those who can't speak, or act 
for themselves.  What you do, and you do so much, takes guts and 
courage.  It's only common sense to realize that the more animals we 
take in, (esp when those animals have had a rough start and are at a 
disadvantage to begin with), the more probability there is for loss.  
Yet you continue to help all those that cross your path.  You fight like

a tiger protecting their young, don't tell me you aren't strong.  You 
are very strong, strong of heart and strong of spirit.  There is NOTHING

weak about mourning the loss of our babies physical presence, nothing 
weak about not wanting to let go.  The only thing messed up is the 
seeming injustice of life.  Life, unfortunately is a death sentence.  
Every creature born is terminal, I know that you know, it's how we share

our time together, whether long, or short, that matters.  Many blessings

to you Hideyo, you're my kind of human.
Nina

Hideyo Yamamoto wrote:

Thanks, Nina.. I pretend to be strong.. but you know how messed up I
am.. I am crying my tears out, Nina.  I think that I gave something
(homeopathic treatment) to him that did something bad to him.. because
he went down right after that.. this is one of my what if... thing..
and I so regret it, Nina.  But - I know that Garfunkle had a good life
--I just so wish to have more of it!  I will talk to Jasmine tomorrow
to
see if I can talk to Garfunkle in his new life.

Thank you for thinking of me and my babies.

Hideyo

RE: My dear Garfunkle's new departure

Thank you also for mentioning about Ginger.. I cried when I saw her
started gabbling the food.. it was another miracle probably Garfunkle...

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of MacKenzie,
Kerry N.
Sent: Monday, November 28, 2005 12:33 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: RE: My dear Garfunkle's new departure

Dearest Hideyo
You are being so brave, and here I am crying. You and your sweet
Garfunkle have been through so much together--I'm so, so sorry, you and
he had such a special bond, I can't believe his time came. You and he
fought such a good fight, you really did. You have both been so brave.
You are so brave. I'm blown away by your being strong enough to
celebrate Garfunkle's life with your other kitties--that's truly
wonderful and so inspiring. 
Garfunkle's life was cut short, but I'm glad the life he had was with
you--he couldn't have been more loved anywhere than in your house,
Hideyo.
It's so good to hear Ginger is eating. Isn't it amazing the way life
works sometimes.
Much love and good health to you and your furballs, Hideyo. 
Thinking of you as always,
Kerry

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hideyo
Yamamoto
Sent: Monday, November 28, 2005 11:50 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: RE: My dear Garfunkle's new departure

Hi, everyone, again thank you very much for all the prayers for
Garfunkle.
A miracle did happened after he was so close to death a couple of weeks
ago, it was really a miracle and that Garfunkle's strong will power that
made it happen (and all your prayers) so that he could come back for me
so that I could spend more time with him.  Every day I had with him, I
treasured it so much.. I loved him like there is no tomorrow.. and now
there is no tomorrow.. at least in a physical sense.. I can't hold my
baby Garfunkle any more in my arms.. and can't stand a thought of not
being able to.

This morning, he crossed the bridge to his new and a better life.. life
without no pain.  He fought so hard for me, and we fought so hard
together..he was with me in my arms when he took the last breath.  Nina,
you were right,,, I am never going to be ready for them to leave.. but
at least, Garfunkle gave me the 2nd chance so that I could cherish the
time with him, and I did.  But, I wanted more.

There are always, what if.. what if I did not give him that.. what if I
took him to the vet sooner,.. what if I paid more attention to him...
but I am try not to do that.. because Garfunlke gave me everything he's
got to love me,,, and in my mind, I did the same... I loved him so much
and I still love him and I will ALWAYS love him.  I just miss him so
terribly... I can't imagine my life without him.  Yeah... I have so many
cats.. but it does not matter,,, each one of them are so special to me,
and I can't stand the pain of not having any of them.. and Garfunlke was
sure a special boy to me.  He always came to say hi to me... every
single time he sees him.. and I am going to miss it so bad.

Garfunkle was and is such a fighter... such a caring soul.. everyone
(kitty) loved and loves him so very much.. he is such a sweet potato
lover.. god I miss him, and I want to cry.. but I am trying not to..
because, I want Garfnkle to feel good about his new departure.  

Everyone, please join celebrate Garfunlke's new departure.  We (me and
kitties) had a celebration party for Garfunkle this morning.. (they all
got tune treat!.. thanking Garfunkle for everything he has given to all
of us.

PS.  My Ginger started eating yesterday after three months of not
eating!!! This must be a genuine gift from Garfunkle to me and Ginger.

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Re: Lost my Lancelot - add to bridge list


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Susan,
I didn't realize it was you that lost your Carlita.  Again, I'm so 
sorry.  It's always hard, but when they continue to rebound again and 
again, we start to feel, maybe, just maybe this one will stay, this one 
is different.  We have to live with that hope, to live otherwise is not 
truly living, to live otherwise clouds the wonderful moments we share.  
I've learned so much from my wonderful fur teachers, one of the greatest 
lessons is living in the moment, living those moments to the fullest.  
Try not to feel bad about not knowing that this time was different, that 
this was her time.  She was with her buddies, maybe they needed it to 
happen this way, it's always so hard on everyone, our family members 
with fur as well as those without.  What a loving little soul she is!  
Such a blessing to you and yours, and now to us as well.  Thank you for 
sharing your memories of her with us.  Sending you hugs and healing 
blessings to sooth you in your grief,

Nina

Susan Loesch wrote:

Yes, my little Carla was feleuk positive.  She and her 2 brothers and 
1 sister were rescues from Little Rock Animal Services when they were 
babies.  Carla was the only long-term survivor.  She was solid black 
and such a little doll -- never got any bigger than maybe a 3 month 
old kitten.   Skinny as a rail, but a good eater.   LOVED to climb up 
on me at night and make biscuits!She was around 3 when she died.  
Off and on she had  down periods - I'd come in and find her 
stretched out and not moving, dehydrated and seemingly at death's 
door.  But a boost of Ringers subQ and a little rest and baby food and 
she'd be up and running again.  That is what happened her last 
evening.  She had seemed to recover and was eating again and purring 
and I didn't notice any difference in that time or the ones before.  
In fact I was so sure she was OK that I left her in my spare bedroom 
piled up with her buddies and didn't take her to bed with me or stay 
in there with her.   But obviously something was different because the 
next morning she was gone.It took me so by surprise and was such a 
hard loss.  She'd been so thin for so long, and so small, but had just 
kept on going.  I guess I was lulled into thinking that she was going 
to be a  survivor.   I sure do miss my scrawny looking cuddle-baby 
Carlita.  She was such a joy.

RE: McCartney attacks China over fur

Thanks for sending that on--I've sent it on to my friends. I plan to
never knowingly buy anything Chinese again.
Kerry

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KALMBACH
Sent: Monday, November 28, 2005 1:28 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: OT: McCartney attacks China over fur

not for the faint of heart

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Re: McCartney attacks China over fur

2005-11-28 Thread Lernermichelle





Stuff made in China is also often made in sweat shops or prison labor 
camps, so it is generally a good idea not to buy China-made goods anyway and we 
always try to avoid it. It's hard to avoid, though-- it takes work! 
Everything seems to be made there.
Michelle

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[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Thanks 
  for sending that on--I've sent it on to my friends. I plan tonever 
  knowingly buy anything Chinese again.

Re: Garfunkle

2005-11-28 Thread TenHouseCats

aw, hideyo, i'm so sorry that garfunkle had to leave. but i'm happy
for both of you, that you had some really good memory-making time
together before he left.

i see him racing around at the bridge, big grin on his face, being all
healthy and happy--and carrying all your love with him

the holding them and crying for them not to go--oh, i wish i didn't
know that one so well. i know i have no right to keep them with me FOR
me when it's their time i still can laugh as i remember hugging
one of my darlings, telling her that it was okay for her to go
whenever she needed to, that i loved her and would be fine, thanking
her for being such a good companion--then, five minutes later, crying
into her neck, mommy's not ready to let you go! and, the next
minute, telling her, yet again, that it was her choice and her need
that was most important...

my heart is with you, hideyo.


MC

--
MaryChristine

AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats
MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
ICQ: 289856892

Re: GLOW for the poor cheetah babies

2005-11-28 Thread felv




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Animal Control hearing - Hideyo


Hideyo,
I would be honored to write a testimonial to you and all your rescue 
efforts.  I think it's an excellent idea to go to court with a stack of 
them to show the judge.  Let us know where to send them, (do you have a 
PO Box?).  Go over the posts and suggestions made when all this crap 
first came up and get yourself armed.  Did you ever contact ALDF?  
You're right, you don't have the luxury of putting things on hold during 
your grief.  You had posted that someone advised you if the anonymous 
complainant didn't show up, you'd be okay, it doesn't sound like that 
will be the case if they have filed criminal charges against you.  Start 
lining up foster homes now, just in case.  The Angels are on your side 
and so are we,

N


Hideyo Yamamoto wrote:


Nina,, you are now making me cry more ---
Thank you for everything you say...
The only down side is having so many of animals is that.. I can't just
keep crying.. I wanted to.. I wanted to be right besides Garfunkle after
he passed, and kept holding him until I get tired of crying...but I
couldn't.. everyone is looking at me, and meowing.. so I needed to keep
moving..

My hearing (for animal control) is set for December 19th - and also
animal control filed criminal complaint about me not complying with
their order... so I have to go to hearing about that, too.

I am a bit freaking out.. but I have to keep moving.. because I have got
too much to lose if I don't..

If anyone would write me a letter to vouch me as a care taker of my
animals.. I will be grateful.. I will be sharing it at the hearing so
that they don't think I am some sort of hoarder that I don't take care
of my animals.



-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nina
Sent: Monday, November 28, 2005 12:38 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: My dear Garfunkle's new departure

Hideyo,
You know my opinion on what ifs.  Whatever we do that we think was 
detrimental, can be turned around on us.  You gave Garfunkle something 
that you suspect did something bad to him, (I doubt it), but what if 
you hadn't tried whatever it was?  Then right now you'd be thinking, 
Oh, if only I'd given him that homeopathic I wanted to try, maybe he'd 
still be with me.  You can't win that game, and I know you know that.  
It's all part of the pain of letting go and knowing that we are not in 
control the way we wish we were.


As far as you not being strong...  You are one of the strongest people I

know.  There is no greater champion for those who can't speak, or act 
for themselves.  What you do, and you do so much, takes guts and 
courage.  It's only common sense to realize that the more animals we 
take in, (esp when those animals have had a rough start and are at a 
disadvantage to begin with), the more probability there is for loss.  
Yet you continue to help all those that cross your path.  You fight like


a tiger protecting their young, don't tell me you aren't strong.  You 
are very strong, strong of heart and strong of spirit.  There is NOTHING


weak about mourning the loss of our babies physical presence, nothing 
weak about not wanting to let go.  The only thing messed up is the 
seeming injustice of life.  Life, unfortunately is a death sentence.  
Every creature born is terminal, I know that you know, it's how we share


our time together, whether long, or short, that matters.  Many blessings

to you Hideyo, you're my kind of human.
Nina

Hideyo Yamamoto wrote:

 


Thanks, Nina.. I pretend to be strong.. but you know how messed up I
am.. I am crying my tears out, Nina.  I think that I gave something
(homeopathic treatment) to him that did something bad to him.. because
he went down right after that.. this is one of my what if... thing..
and I so regret it, Nina.  But - I know that Garfunkle had a good life
--I just so wish to have more of it!  I will talk to Jasmine tomorrow
   


to
 


see if I can talk to Garfunkle in his new life.

Thank you for thinking of me and my babies.

Hideyo

Re: Carla and Susan

Thank you, Nina. She really was a cutie - probably ugly to people who didn't understand what a fight it was to live so long being born positive. But beautiful to me. She'd gotten over a URI and I'd have bet money on her having survived another crisis that night. I think she knew how much she was loved, tho, and that I did my best to keep her alive. She is curled up with Gloria's Lancelot now, with her little head resting on his. Two such very much loved babies whose moms fought so hard for them.Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Susan,I didn't realize it was you that lost your Carlita. Again, I'm so sorry. It's always hard, but when they continue to rebound again and again, we start to feel, maybe, just maybe this one will stay, this one is different. We have to live with that hope, to live
otherwise is not truly living, to live otherwise clouds the wonderful moments we share. I've learned so much from my wonderful fur teachers, one of the greatest lessons is living in the moment, living those moments to the fullest. Try not to feel bad about not knowing that this time was different, that this was her time. She was with her buddies, maybe they needed it to happen this way, it's always so hard on everyone, our family members with fur as well as those without. What a loving little soul she is! Such a blessing to you and yours, and now to us as well. Thank you for sharing your memories of her with us. Sending you hugs and healing blessings to sooth you in your grief,NinaSusan Loesch wrote: Yes, my little Carla was feleuk positive. She and her 2 brothers and 1 sister were rescues from Little Rock Animal Services when they were babies. Carla was the only long-term survivor. She was solid black
and such a little doll -- never got any bigger than maybe a 3 month old kitten. Skinny as a rail, but a good eater. LOVED to climb up on me at night and make biscuits! She was around 3 when she died. Off and on she had "down" periods - I'd come in and find her stretched out and not moving, dehydrated and seemingly at death's door. But a boost of Ringers subQ and a little rest and baby food and she'd be up and running again. That is what happened her last evening. She had seemed to recover and was eating again and purring and I didn't notice any difference in that time or the ones before. In fact I was so sure she was OK that I left her in my spare bedroom piled up with her buddies and didn't take her to bed with me or stay in there with her. But obviously something was different because the next morning she was gone. It took me so by surprise and was such a
hard loss. She'd been so thin for so long, and so small, but had just kept on going. I guess I was lulled into thinking that she was going to be a survivor. I sure do miss my scrawny looking cuddle-baby Carlita. She was such a joy.

Re: litter ~ Cat Attract

2005-11-28 Thread PEC2851





In a message dated 11/28/05 1:54:14 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Has 
  anyone heard of Cat Attract Litter?

Good 'ole Dr. E. ~ Got turned on to that when the company graciously 
donated several 100 lbs. to shelter, and, since we don't use traditional litter, 
I got lucky!
And, it was when I was fostering, had lots of "problem" kitties.
Worked for some, others not.
I found when I first got my "problem"Maine Coon boys, sprinkling 
catnip in Yesterday's News litter worked just as well, less expensive
Patti

RE: Animal Control hearing - Hideyo

Actually, criminal charges are based on the fact that I did not comply
with getting rid of my cats when my permit was not approved, so it
actually had nothing to do with a complaint.  If I can get a permit,
Greg says that it will go away eventually.  But still.. nervous..

My address is 
212 Edith, SE
Albuquerque, NM 87102

Thank you!!

Love and hugs,

Hideyo

 

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nina
Sent: Monday, November 28, 2005 1:59 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Animal Control hearing - Hideyo

Hideyo,
I would be honored to write a testimonial to you and all your rescue 
efforts.  I think it's an excellent idea to go to court with a stack of 
them to show the judge.  Let us know where to send them, (do you have a 
PO Box?).  Go over the posts and suggestions made when all this crap 
first came up and get yourself armed.  Did you ever contact ALDF?  
You're right, you don't have the luxury of putting things on hold during

your grief.  You had posted that someone advised you if the anonymous 
complainant didn't show up, you'd be okay, it doesn't sound like that 
will be the case if they have filed criminal charges against you.  Start

lining up foster homes now, just in case.  The Angels are on your side 
and so are we,
N


Hideyo Yamamoto wrote:

Nina,, you are now making me cry more ---
Thank you for everything you say...
The only down side is having so many of animals is that.. I can't just
keep crying.. I wanted to.. I wanted to be right besides Garfunkle
after
he passed, and kept holding him until I get tired of crying...but I
couldn't.. everyone is looking at me, and meowing.. so I needed to keep
moving..

My hearing (for animal control) is set for December 19th - and also
animal control filed criminal complaint about me not complying with
their order... so I have to go to hearing about that, too.

I am a bit freaking out.. but I have to keep moving.. because I have
got
too much to lose if I don't..

If anyone would write me a letter to vouch me as a care taker of my
animals.. I will be grateful.. I will be sharing it at the hearing so
that they don't think I am some sort of hoarder that I don't take care
of my animals.



-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nina
Sent: Monday, November 28, 2005 12:38 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: My dear Garfunkle's new departure

Hideyo,
You know my opinion on what ifs.  Whatever we do that we think was 
detrimental, can be turned around on us.  You gave Garfunkle something 
that you suspect did something bad to him, (I doubt it), but what if 
you hadn't tried whatever it was?  Then right now you'd be thinking, 
Oh, if only I'd given him that homeopathic I wanted to try, maybe he'd

still be with me.  You can't win that game, and I know you know that.

It's all part of the pain of letting go and knowing that we are not in 
control the way we wish we were.

As far as you not being strong...  You are one of the strongest people
I

know.  There is no greater champion for those who can't speak, or act 
for themselves.  What you do, and you do so much, takes guts and 
courage.  It's only common sense to realize that the more animals we 
take in, (esp when those animals have had a rough start and are at a 
disadvantage to begin with), the more probability there is for loss.  
Yet you continue to help all those that cross your path.  You fight
like

a tiger protecting their young, don't tell me you aren't strong.  You 
are very strong, strong of heart and strong of spirit.  There is
NOTHING

weak about mourning the loss of our babies physical presence, nothing 
weak about not wanting to let go.  The only thing messed up is the 
seeming injustice of life.  Life, unfortunately is a death sentence.  
Every creature born is terminal, I know that you know, it's how we
share

our time together, whether long, or short, that matters.  Many
blessings

to you Hideyo, you're my kind of human.
Nina

Hideyo Yamamoto wrote:

  

Thanks, Nina.. I pretend to be strong.. but you know how messed up I
am.. I am crying my tears out, Nina.  I think that I gave something
(homeopathic treatment) to him that did something bad to him.. because
he went down right after that.. this is one of my what if... thing..
and I so regret it, Nina.  But - I know that Garfunkle had a good life
--I just so wish to have more of it!  I will talk to Jasmine tomorrow


to
  

see if I can talk to Garfunkle in his new life.

Thank you for thinking of me and my babies.

Hideyo

RE: Garfunkle

Oh.. MaryChristine.. I so understand what you mean. I just have a huge
hole in my heart right now.. try to be positive, but feel so empty.. and
am afraid of going home, finding out that he is not waiting for me like
he used to.. Gosh I hate to go home and not being able to see him at
places he was...I am so sad, MaryChristine.

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of TenHouseCats
Sent: Monday, November 28, 2005 1:43 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: Garfunkle

aw, hideyo, i'm so sorry that garfunkle had to leave. but i'm happy
for both of you, that you had some really good memory-making time
together before he left.

i see him racing around at the bridge, big grin on his face, being all
healthy and happy--and carrying all your love with him

the holding them and crying for them not to go--oh, i wish i didn't
know that one so well. i know i have no right to keep them with me FOR
me when it's their time i still can laugh as i remember hugging
one of my darlings, telling her that it was okay for her to go
whenever she needed to, that i loved her and would be fine, thanking
her for being such a good companion--then, five minutes later, crying
into her neck, mommy's not ready to let you go! and, the next
minute, telling her, yet again, that it was her choice and her need
that was most important...

my heart is with you, hideyo.


MC

--
MaryChristine

AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats
MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
ICQ: 289856892

RE: Garfunkle

Thank you, Katy.. I like being a meowmie...cute..

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kat
Sent: Monday, November 28, 2005 12:37 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: Garfunkle

Dear Hideyo,

I'm sooo sorry to hear this - there are no words really,
so I'm sending cyber-hugs and prayers to you.  You are
such a good meowmie, please be gentle with yourself.

Kat (Mew Jersey)

RE: Garfunkle

Sorry,, I meant to write.. Kat..., Kat...

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hideyo
Yamamoto
Sent: Monday, November 28, 2005 1:57 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: RE: Garfunkle

Thank you, Katy.. I like being a meowmie...cute..

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kat
Sent: Monday, November 28, 2005 12:37 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: Garfunkle

Dear Hideyo,

I'm sooo sorry to hear this - there are no words really,
so I'm sending cyber-hugs and prayers to you.  You are
such a good meowmie, please be gentle with yourself.

Kat (Mew Jersey)

RE: Animal Control hearing - Hideyo

Hideyeo - was the email I sent you enough or do you need me to re-write and actually mail. Happy to do if you need that. Just let me know.Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Actually, criminal charges are based on the fact that I did not complywith getting rid of my cats when my permit was not approved, so itactually had nothing to do with a complaint. If I can get a permit,Greg says that it will go away eventually. But still.. nervous..My address is 212 Edith, SEAlbuquerque, NM 87102Thank you!!Love and hugs,Hideyo-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED][mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of NinaSent: Monday, November 28, 2005 1:59 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Animal Control
hearing - HideyoHideyo,I would be honored to write a testimonial to you and all your rescue efforts. I think it's an excellent idea to go to court with a stack of them to show the judge. Let us know where to send them, (do you have a PO Box?). Go over the posts and suggestions made when all this crap first came up and get yourself armed. Did you ever contact ALDF? You're right, you don't have the luxury of putting things on hold duringyour grief. You had posted that someone advised you if the "anonymous" complainant didn't show up, you'd be okay, it doesn't sound like that will be the case if they have filed criminal charges against you. Startlining up foster homes now, just in case. The Angels are on your side and so are we,NHideyo Yamamoto wrote:Nina,, you are now making me cry more ---Thank you for everything you say...The only down side is having so many of animals is that.. I
can't justkeep crying.. I wanted to.. I wanted to be right besides Garfunkleafterhe passed, and kept holding him until I get tired of crying...but Icouldn't.. everyone is looking at me, and meowing.. so I needed to keepmoving..My hearing (for animal control) is set for December 19th - and alsoanimal control filed criminal complaint about me not complying withtheir order... so I have to go to hearing about that, too.I am a bit freaking out.. but I have to keep moving.. because I havegottoo much to lose if I don't..If anyone would write me a letter to vouch me as a care taker of myanimals.. I will be grateful.. I will be sharing it at the hearing sothat they don't think I am some sort of hoarder that I don't take careof my animals.-Original Message-From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED][mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of NinaSent: Monday, November 28, 2005 12:38 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: My dear Garfunkle's new departureHideyo,You know my opinion on "what ifs". Whatever we do that we think was detrimental, can be turned around on us. You gave Garfunkle something that you suspect "did something bad to him", (I doubt it), but what if you hadn't tried whatever it was? Then right now you'd be thinking, "Oh, if only I'd given him that homeopathic I wanted to try, maybe he'dstill be with me". You can't win that game, and I know you know that.It's all part of the pain of letting go and knowing that we are not in control the way we wish we were.As far as you not being strong... You are one of the strongest peopleIknow. There is no greater
champion for those who can't speak, or act for themselves. What you do, and you do so much, takes guts and courage. It's only common sense to realize that the more animals we take in, (esp when those animals have had a rough start and are at a disadvantage to begin with), the more probability there is for loss. Yet you continue to help all those that cross your path. You fightlikea tiger protecting their young, don't tell me you aren't strong. You are very strong, strong of heart and strong of spirit. There isNOTHINGweak about mourning the loss of our babies physical presence, nothing weak about not wanting to let go. The only thing "messed up" is the seeming injustice of life. Life, unfortunately is a death sentence. Every creature born is terminal, I know that you know, it's how weshareour time together, whether long, or short, that matters.
Manyblessingsto you Hideyo, you're my kind of human.NinaHideyo Yamamoto wrote: Thanks, Nina.. I pretend to be strong.. but you know how messed up Iam.. I am crying my tears out, Nina. I think that I gave something(homeopathic treatment) to him that did something bad to him.. becausehe went down right after that.. this is one of my "what if..." thing..and I so regret it, Nina. But - I know that Garfunkle had a good life--I just so wish to have more of it! I will talk to Jasmine tomorrow to see if I can talk to Garfunkle in his new life.Thank you for thinking of me and my babies.Hideyo

Re: Carla and Susan

2005-11-28 Thread Sherry DeHaan

Susan,I am so sorry to hear about your sweet Carlita,she sounds like a wonderful baby.I too miss my Maizee Grace,I dread coming home ,because I know that beautiful little face won't be at the door to follow me around like a shadow.my thoughts are with you,my heart hurts with yours.Bless you SherryNina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Susan,I didn't realize it was you that lost your Carlita. Again, I'm so sorry. It's always hard, but when they continue to rebound again and again, we start to feel, maybe, just maybe this one will stay, this one is different. We have to live with that hope, to live otherwise is not truly living, to live otherwise clouds the wonderful moments we share. I've learned so much from my wonderful fur teachers, one of the greatest lessons is living in the moment, living those moments to
the fullest. Try not to feel bad about not knowing that this time was different, that this was her time. She was with her buddies, maybe they needed it to happen this way, it's always so hard on everyone, our family members with fur as well as those without. What a loving little soul she is! Such a blessing to you and yours, and now to us as well. Thank you for sharing your memories of her with us. Sending you hugs and healing blessings to sooth you in your grief,NinaSusan Loesch wrote: Yes, my little Carla was feleuk positive. She and her 2 brothers and 1 sister were rescues from Little Rock Animal Services when they were babies. Carla was the only long-term survivor. She was solid black and such a little doll -- never got any bigger than maybe a 3 month old kitten. Skinny as a rail, but a good eater. LOVED to climb up on me at night and make biscuits! She was around 3 when she died.
Off and on she had "down" periods - I'd come in and find her stretched out and not moving, dehydrated and seemingly at death's door. But a boost of Ringers subQ and a little rest and baby food and she'd be up and running again. That is what happened her last evening. She had seemed to recover and was eating again and purring and I didn't notice any difference in that time or the ones before. In fact I was so sure she was OK that I left her in my spare bedroom piled up with her buddies and didn't take her to bed with me or stay in there with her. But obviously something was different because the next morning she was gone. It took me so by surprise and was such a hard loss. She'd been so thin for so long, and so small, but had just kept on going. I guess I was lulled into thinking that she was going to be a survivor. I sure do miss my scrawny looking cuddle-baby
Carlita. She was such a joy.
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RE: My dear Garfunkle's new departure

2005-11-28 Thread Sherry DeHaan

Hideyo,I am so sorry about your loss,I SO know what you are going through,with the what ifs,just remember you loved him with all you had and that is exactly what he needed,now I need to convince myself of the same thing about my Maizee.You are all in my prayers.  SherryHideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Thank you, Michelle  I know these little furry angels are just so amazing.. they take turn and take care of me so well.From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Monday, November 28, 2005 11:01 AMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: My dear Garfunkle's new departure  Hideyo, I am so, so sorry for you and Garfunkle. But what a miracle and blessing that Ginger is now eating.Michelle  
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RE: Animal Control hearing - Hideyo









Thank you, Susan very much , I think it is
just fine  I have it in my file already. 











From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Susan Loesch
Sent: Monday, November 28, 2005
2:24 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: RE: Animal Control
hearing - Hideyo





Hideyeo - was the email I sent you enough or do you need me to re-write
and actually mail. Happy to do if you need that. Just let me know.

Hideyo Yamamoto
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 

Actually, criminal charges
are based on the fact that I did not comply
with getting rid of my cats when my permit was not approved, so it
actually had nothing to do with a complaint. If I can get a permit,
Greg says that it will go away eventually. But still.. nervous..

My address is 
212 Edith, SE
Albuquerque, NM 87102

Thank you!!

Love and hugs,

Hideyo



-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nina
Sent: Monday, November 28, 2005 1:59 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Animal Control hearing - Hideyo

Hideyo,
I would be honored to write a testimonial to you and all your rescue 
efforts. I think it's an excellent idea to go to court with a stack of 
them to show the judge. Let us know where to send them, (do you have a 
PO Box?). Go over the posts and suggestions made when all this crap 
first came up and get yourself armed. Did you ever contact ALDF? 
You're right, you don't have the luxury of putting things on hold during

your grief. You had posted that someone advised you if the
anonymous 
complainant didn't show up, you'd be okay, it doesn't sound like that 
will be the case if they have filed criminal charges against you. Start

lining up foster homes now, just in case. The Angels are on your side 
and so are we,
N


Hideyo Yamamoto wrote:

Nina,, you are now making me cry more ---
Thank you for everything you say...
The only down side is having so many of animals is that.. I can't just
keep crying.. I wanted to.. I wanted to be right besides Garfunkle
after
he passed, and kept holding him until I get tired of crying...but I
couldn't.. everyone is looking at me, and meowing.. so I needed to keep
moving..

My hearing (for animal control) is set for December 19th - and also
animal control filed criminal complaint about me not complying with
their order... so I have to go to hearing about that, too.

I am a bit freaking out.. but I have to keep moving.. because I have
got
too much to lose if I don't..

If anyone would write me a letter to vouch me as a care taker of my
animals.. I will be grateful.. I will be sharing it at the hearing so
that they don't think I am some sort of hoarder that I don't take care
of my animals.



-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nina
Sent: Monday, November 28, 2005 12:38 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: My dear Garfunkle's new departure

Hideyo,
You know my opinion on what ifs. Whatever we do that we think
was 
detrimental, can be turned around on us. You gave Garfunkle something 
that you suspect did something bad to him, (I doubt it), but
what if 
you hadn't tried whatever it was? Then right now you'd be thinking, 
Oh, if only I'd given him that homeopathic I wanted to try, maybe
he'd

still be with me. You can't win that game, and I know you know that.

It's all part of the pain of letting go and knowing that we are not in 
control the way we wish we were.

As far as you not being strong... You are one of the strongest people
I

know. There is no greater champion for those who can't speak, or act 
for themselves. What you do, and you do so much, takes guts and 
courage. It's only common sense to realize that the more animals we 
take in, (esp when those animals have had a rough start and are at a 
disadvantage to begin with), the more probability there is for loss. 
Yet you continue to help all those that cross your path. You fight
like

a tiger protecting their young, don't tell me you aren't strong. You 
are very strong, strong of heart and strong of spirit. There is
NOTHING

weak about mourning the loss of our babies physical presence, nothing 
weak about not wanting to let go. The only thing messed up is
the 
seeming injustice of life. Life, unfortunately is a death sentence. 
Every creature born is terminal, I know that you know, it's how we
share

our time together, whether long, or short, that matters. Many
blessings

to you Hideyo, you're my kind of human.
Nina

Hideyo Yamamoto wrote:

 

Thanks, Nina.. I pretend to be strong.. but you know how messed up I
am.. I am crying my tears out, Nina. I think that I gave something
(homeopathic treatment) to him that did something bad to him.. because
he went down right after that.. this is one of my what
if... thing..
and I so regret it, Nina. But - I know that Garfunkle had a good life
--I just so wish to have more of it! I will talk to Jasmine tomorrow
 

to
 

see if I can talk to Garfunkle in his new life.

RE: Animal Control hearing - Hideyo

Title: Message




Hideyo-Goes without saying I will of course send you 
a glowing testimonial too. Gotta dash now, but I'll be in touch, love and hugs, 
Kerry



-Original 
Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hideyo 
YamamotoSent: Monday, November 28, 2005 3:25 PMTo: 
felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: RE: Animal Control hearing - 
Hideyo

Thank you, Susan very 
much , I think it is just fine  I have it in my file already. 






From: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
On Behalf Of Susan 
LoeschSent: Monday, November 
28, 2005 2:24 PMTo: 
felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: RE: Animal Control hearing - 
Hideyo

Hideyeo - was the email I sent you enough or do you need 
me to re-write and actually mail. Happy to do if you need that. Just 
let me know.Hideyo Yamamoto 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 

Actually, criminal charges are based on the 
fact that I did not complywith getting rid of my cats when my permit was not 
approved, so itactually had nothing to do with a complaint. If I can get a 
permit,Greg says that it will go away eventually. But still.. 
nervous..My address is 212 Edith, SEAlbuquerque, NM 87102Thank you!!Love and 
hugs,Hideyo-Original Message-From: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED][mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
On Behalf Of NinaSent: Monday, November 28, 2005 1:59 PMTo: 
felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Animal Control hearing - 
HideyoHideyo,I would be honored to write a testimonial to you and 
all your rescue efforts. I think it's an excellent idea to go to court with 
a stack of them to show the judge. Let us know where to send them, (do you 
have a PO Box?). Go over the posts and suggestions made when all this crap 
first came up and get yourself armed. Did you ever contact ALDF? You're 
right, you don't have the luxury of putting things on hold duringyour 
grief. You had posted that someone advised you if the "anonymous" 
complainant didn't show up, you'd be okay, it doesn't sound like that 
will be the case if they have filed criminal charges against you. 
Startlining up foster homes now, just in case. The Angels are on your 
side and so are we,NHideyo Yamamoto wrote:Nina,, 
you are now making me cry more ---Thank you for everything you 
say...The only down side is having so many of animals is that.. I can't 
justkeep crying.. I wanted to.. I wanted to be right besides 
Garfunkleafterhe passed, and kept holding him until I get tired of 
crying...but Icouldn't.. everyone is looking at me, and meowing.. so I 
needed to keepmoving..My hearing (for animal control) is 
set for December 19th - and alsoanimal control filed criminal complaint 
about me not complying withtheir order... so I have to go to hearing 
about that, too.I am a bit freaking out.. but I have to keep 
moving.. because I havegottoo much to lose if I 
don't..If anyone would write me a letter to vouch me as a care 
taker of myanimals.. I will be grateful.. I will be sharing it at the 
hearing sothat they don't think I am some sort of hoarder that I don't 
take careof my animals.-Original 
Message-From: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED][mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
On Behalf Of NinaSent: Monday, November 28, 2005 12:38 PMTo: 
felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: My dear Garfunkle's new 
departureHideyo,You know my opinion on "what ifs". 
Whatever we do that we think was detrimental, can be turned around on 
us. You gave Garfunkle something that you suspect "did something bad to 
him", (I doubt it), but what if you hadn't tried whatever it was? Then 
right now you'd be thinking, "Oh, if only I'd given him that homeopathic 
I wanted to try, maybe he'dstill be with me". You can't win that 
game, and I know you know that.It's all part of the pain of letting 
go and knowing that we are not in control the way we wish we 
were.As far as you not being strong... You are one of the 
strongest peopleIknow. There is no greater champion for 
those who can't speak, or act for themselves. What you do, and you do so 
much, takes guts and courage. It's only common sense to realize that the 
more animals we take in, (esp when those animals have had a rough start 
and are at a disadvantage to begin with), the more probability there is 
for loss. Yet you continue to help all those that cross your path. You 
fightlikea tiger protecting their young, don't tell me you 
aren't strong. You are very strong, strong of heart and strong of 
spirit. There isNOTHINGweak about mourning the loss of our 
babies physical presence, nothing weak about not wanting to let go. The 
only thing "messed up" is the seeming injustice of life. Life, 
unfortunately is a death sentence. Every creature born is terminal, I 
know that you know, it's how weshareour time together, 
whether long, or short, that matters. Manyblessingsto you 
Hideyo, you're my kind of human.NinaHideyo Yamamoto 
wrote: Thanks, Nina.. I pretend to be 
strong.. but you know how messed up Iam.. I am crying my tears out, 
Nina. I think that I gave

RE: Animal Control hearing - Hideyo

Title: Message








Thank you, Kerry!











From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of MacKenzie, Kerry N.
Sent: Monday, November 28, 2005
3:53 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: RE: Animal Control
hearing - Hideyo







Hideyo-Goes without saying I will of
course send you a glowing testimonial too. Gotta dash now, but I'll be in
touch, love and hugs, Kerry























-Original
Message-
From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of Hideyo Yamamoto
Sent: Monday, November 28, 2005
3:25 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: RE: Animal Control
hearing - Hideyo



Thank you, Susan very much , I think it is
just fine  I have it in my file already. 











From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Susan Loesch
Sent: Monday, November 28, 2005
2:24 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: RE: Animal Control
hearing - Hideyo





Hideyeo - was the email I sent you enough or do you need me to re-write
and actually mail. Happy to do if you need that. Just let me know.

Hideyo Yamamoto
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 

Actually, criminal
charges are based on the fact that I did not comply
with getting rid of my cats when my permit was not approved, so it
actually had nothing to do with a complaint. If I can get a permit,
Greg says that it will go away eventually. But still.. nervous..

My address is 
212 Edith, SE
Albuquerque, NM 87102

Thank you!!

Love and hugs,

Hideyo



-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nina
Sent: Monday, November 28, 2005 1:59 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Animal Control hearing - Hideyo

Hideyo,
I would be honored to write a testimonial to you and all your rescue 
efforts. I think it's an excellent idea to go to court with a stack of 
them to show the judge. Let us know where to send them, (do you have a 
PO Box?). Go over the posts and suggestions made when all this crap 
first came up and get yourself armed. Did you ever contact ALDF? 
You're right, you don't have the luxury of putting things on hold during

your grief. You had posted that someone advised you if the
anonymous 
complainant didn't show up, you'd be okay, it doesn't sound like that 
will be the case if they have filed criminal charges against you. Start

lining up foster homes now, just in case. The Angels are on your side 
and so are we,
N


Hideyo Yamamoto wrote:

Nina,, you are now making me cry more ---
Thank you for everything you say...
The only down side is having so many of animals is that.. I can't just
keep crying.. I wanted to.. I wanted to be right besides Garfunkle
after
he passed, and kept holding him until I get tired of crying...but I
couldn't.. everyone is looking at me, and meowing.. so I needed to keep
moving..

My hearing (for animal control) is set for December 19th - and also
animal control filed criminal complaint about me not complying with
their order... so I have to go to hearing about that, too.

I am a bit freaking out.. but I have to keep moving.. because I have
got
too much to lose if I don't..

If anyone would write me a letter to vouch me as a care taker of my
animals.. I will be grateful.. I will be sharing it at the hearing so
that they don't think I am some sort of hoarder that I don't take care
of my animals.



-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nina
Sent: Monday, November 28, 2005 12:38 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: My dear Garfunkle's new departure

Hideyo,
You know my opinion on what ifs. Whatever we do that we think
was 
detrimental, can be turned around on us. You gave Garfunkle something 
that you suspect did something bad to him, (I doubt it), but
what if 
you hadn't tried whatever it was? Then right now you'd be thinking, 
Oh, if only I'd given him that homeopathic I wanted to try, maybe
he'd

still be with me. You can't win that game, and I know you know that.

It's all part of the pain of letting go and knowing that we are not in 
control the way we wish we were.

As far as you not being strong... You are one of the strongest people
I

know. There is no greater champion for those who can't speak, or act 
for themselves. What you do, and you do so much, takes guts and 
courage. It's only common sense to realize that the more animals we 
take in, (esp when those animals have had a rough start and are at a 
disadvantage to begin with), the more probability there is for loss. 
Yet you continue to help all those that cross your path. You fight
like

a tiger protecting their young, don't tell me you aren't strong. You 
are very strong, strong of heart and strong of spirit. There is
NOTHING

weak about mourning the loss of our babies physical presence, nothing 
weak about not wanting to let go. The only thing messed up is
the 
seeming injustice of life. Life, unfortunately is a death sentence. 
Every creature born is terminal, I know that you

RE: Animal Control hearing - Hideyo

2005-11-28 Thread gblane

Hideyo, we're pulling for you.  Let us know if we can help.  Sending 
glowing good vibes for you!


Gloria

At 03:25 PM 11/28/2005, you wrote:
Thank you, Susan very much , I think it is just fine  I have it in my 
file already.



--
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Susan Loesch

Sent: Monday, November 28, 2005 2:24 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: RE: Animal Control hearing - Hideyo

Hideyeo - was the email I sent you enough or do you need me to re-write 
and actually mail.  Happy to do if you need that.  Just let me know.


Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Actually, criminal charges are based on the fact that I did not comply
with getting rid of my cats when my permit was not approved, so it
actually had nothing to do with a complaint. If I can get a permit,
Greg says that it will go away eventually. But still.. nervous..

My address is
212 Edith, SE
Albuquerque, NM 87102

Thank you!!

Love and hugs,

Hideyo



-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nina
Sent: Monday, November 28, 2005 1:59 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Animal Control hearing - Hideyo

Hideyo,
I would be honored to write a testimonial to you and all your rescue
efforts. I think it's an excellent idea to go to court with a stack of
them to show the judge. Let us know where to send them, (do you have a
PO Box?). Go over the posts and suggestions made when all this crap
first came up and get yourself armed. Did you ever contact ALDF?
You're right, you don't have the luxury of putting things on hold during

your grief. You had posted that someone advised you if the anonymous
complainant didn't show up, you'd be okay, it doesn't sound like that
will be the case if they have filed criminal charges against you. Start

lining up foster homes now, just in case. The Angels are on your side
and so are we,
N


Hideyo Yamamoto wrote:

Nina,, you are now making me cry more ---
Thank you for everything you say...
The only down side is having so many of animals is that.. I can't just
keep crying.. I wanted to.. I wanted to be right besides Garfunkle
after
he passed, and kept holding him until I get tired of crying...but I
couldn't.. everyone is looking at me, and meowing.. so I needed to keep
moving..

My hearing (for animal control) is set for December 19th - and also
animal control filed criminal complaint about me not complying with
their order... so I have to go to hearing about that, too.

I am a bit freaking out.. but I have to keep moving.. because I have
got
too much to lose if I don't..

If anyone would write me a letter to vouch me as a care taker of my
animals.. I will be grateful.. I will be sharing it at the hearing so
that they don't think I am some sort of hoarder that I don't take care
of my animals.



-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nina
Sent: Monday, November 28, 2005 12:38 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: My dear Garfunkle's new departure

Hideyo,
You know my opinion on what ifs. Whatever we do that we think was
detrimental, can be turned around on us. You gave Garfunkle something
that you suspect did something bad to him, (I doubt it), but what if
you hadn't tried whatever it was? Then right now you'd be thinking,
Oh, if only I'd given him that homeopathic I wanted to try, maybe he'd

still be with me. You can't win that game, and I know you know that.

It's all part of the pain of letting go and knowing that we are not in
control the way we wish we were.

As far as you not being strong... You are one of the strongest people
I

know. There is no greater champion for those who can't speak, or act
for themselves. What you do, and you do so much, takes guts and
courage. It's only common sense to realize that the more animals we
take in, (esp when those animals have had a rough start and are at a
disadvantage to begin with), the more probability there is for loss.
Yet you continue to help all those that cross your path. You fight
like

a tiger protecting their young, don't tell me you aren't strong. You
are very strong, strong of heart and strong of spirit. There is
NOTHING

weak about mourning the loss of our babies physical presence, nothing
weak about not wanting to let go. The only thing messed up is the
seeming injustice of life. Life, unfortunately is a death sentence.
Every creature born is terminal, I know that you know, it's how we
share

our time together, whether long, or short, that matters. Many
blessings

to you Hideyo, you're my kind of human.
Nina

Hideyo Yamamoto wrote:



Thanks, Nina.. I pretend to be strong.. but you know how messed up I
am.. I am crying my tears out, Nina. I think that I gave something
(homeopathic treatment) to him that did something bad to him.. because
he went down right after that.. this is one of my what if... thing..
and I so regret it, Nina. But - I know that Garfunkle had a good life
--I just so

Re: My dear Garfunkle's new departure

2005-11-28 Thread Terri Brown





I'm so sorry. You tried, and so did he. The love you had for 
each other will live forever. Big hugs to you.

Goodnight, sweet Garfunkle...

=^..^= Terri, Siggie the Tomato Vampire, Guinevere, Sammi, Travis, and 6 
furangels: RuthieGirl, Samantha, Arielle, Gareth, Alec  Salome' 
=^..^=

Furkid Photos! http://mysite.verizon.net/vze7sgqa/My 
Personal Page: http://www.geocities.com/ruthiegirl1/terrispage.html?1083970447350

  - Original Message - 
  From: Hideyo Yamamoto 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: Monday, November 28, 2005 12:50 
  PM
  Subject: RE: My dear Garfunkle's new 
  departure
  Hi, everyone, again thank you very much for all the prayers 
  forGarfunkle.A miracle did happened after he was so close to death a 
  couple of weeksago, it was really a miracle and that Garfunkle's strong 
  will power thatmade it happen (and all your prayers) so that he could come 
  back for meso that I could spend more time with him. Every day I had 
  with him, Itreasured it so much.. I loved him like there is no tomorrow.. 
  and nowthere is no tomorrow.. at least in a physical sense.. I can't hold 
  mybaby Garfunkle any more in my arms.. and can't stand a thought of 
  notbeing able to.This morning, he crossed the bridge to his new 
  and a better life.. lifewithout no pain. He fought so hard for me, 
  and we fought so hardtogether..he was with me in my arms when he took the 
  last breath. Nina,you were right,,, I am never going to be ready for 
  them to leave.. butat least, Garfunkle gave me the 2nd chance so that I 
  could cherish thetime with him, and I did. But, I wanted 
  more.There are always, what if.. what if I did not give him that.. 
  what if Itook him to the vet sooner,.. what if I paid more attention to 
  him...but I am try not to do that.. because Garfunlke gave me everything 
  he'sgot to love me,,, and in my mind, I did the same... I loved him so 
  muchand I still love him and I will ALWAYS love him. I just miss him 
  soterribly... I can't imagine my life without him. Yeah... I have so 
  manycats.. but it does not matter,,, each one of them are so special to 
  me,and I can't stand the pain of not having any of them.. and Garfunlke 
  wassure a special boy to me. He always came to say hi to me... 
  everysingle time he sees him.. and I am going to miss it so 
  bad.Garfunkle was and is such a fighter... such a caring soul.. 
  everyone(kitty) loved and loves him so very much.. he is such a sweet 
  potatolover.. god I miss him, and I want to cry.. but I am trying not 
  to..because, I want Garfnkle to feel good about his new departure. 
  Everyone, please join celebrate Garfunlke's new departure. We 
  (me andkitties) had a celebration party for Garfunkle this morning.. (they 
  allgot tune treat!.. thanking Garfunkle for everything he has given to 
  allof us.PS. My Ginger started eating yesterday after 
  three months of noteating!!! This must be a genuine gift from Garfunkle to 
  me and Ginger.

Impossible

Ok either I'm completely moronic or my cat is a superhero. I can NOT do any of 
the things suggested to give him a 
pill. I don't know what to do, I'm so frustrated I'm on the verge of tears. 
Tried crushing in food...he won't eat. Tried 
giving orally, he spit it out, scratched and bit me...tried crushing and 
syringing, he scratched me and freaked out 
again...tried wrapping him in a towel, putting on gloves and then 
syringing...he just used his back feet to kick and 
scratch and regurgitated it all and spit it out, followed by kicking the mortar 
and pestle off the counter wasting the 
rest of what was left for him to take. I now have a burning cat scratch on my 
hand, a very upset cat who won't come 
near me and wasted medicine. I can't even call the vet because they're closed. 
He STILL has diarrhea really bad, not 
vomiting and has an appetite but the diarrhea NEEDS treatment. I came home 2x 
today and found 3 puddles of 
diarrhea in my foyer. I finally got a stool sample to get to the vet, but what 
good is it if I can't even medicate my own 
cat!!! WHAT DO I DO!! I am SO frustrated and upset. -Rebecca

Re: Impossible

2005-11-28 Thread Terri Brown





He might need an injection.

Can you do them yourself? If so, maybe your vet will fill the syringe 
for you and you can inject him without you having to take him out of the 
house

Just a thought.

Lurker Terri in NJ

  - Original Message - 
  From: veggiepugs 
  To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: Monday, November 28, 2005 9:08 
  PM
  Subject: Impossible
  Ok either I'm completely moronic or my cat is a superhero. I 
  can NOT do any of the things suggested to give him a pill. I don't know 
  what to do, I'm so frustrated I'm on the verge of tears. Tried crushing in 
  food...he won't eat. Tried giving orally, he spit it out, scratched and 
  bit me...tried crushing and syringing, he scratched me and freaked out 
  again...tried wrapping him in a towel, putting on gloves and then 
  syringing...he just used his back feet to kick and scratch and 
  regurgitated it all and spit it out, followed by kicking the mortar and pestle 
  off the counter wasting the rest of what was left for him to take. I now 
  have a burning cat scratch on my hand, a very upset cat who won't come 
  near me and wasted medicine. I can't even call the vet because they're 
  closed. He STILL has diarrhea really bad, not vomiting and has an appetite 
  but the diarrhea NEEDS treatment. I came home 2x today and found 3 puddles of 
  diarrhea in my foyer. I finally got a stool sample to get to the vet, but 
  what good is it if I can't even medicate my own cat!!! WHAT DO I DO!! 
  I am SO frustrated and upset. -Rebecca

Re: Impossible

2005-11-28 Thread TenHouseCats

i always try to get meds in injectible form whenever possible. i
used to think i'd never be able to do it, but after the agony and
trauma of trying to pill the little darlings, and seeing them not bat
an eyelash (so to speak) for shots, well.

good luck! working at the sanctuary, where i'd sometimes have to pill
30 cats in one day, i've finally gotten really good at it--EXCEPT with
some of my own cats, who are persians, and haven't the mouths big
enough to get the fingers in to help the pill get closer to the
throat!

On 11/28/05, Terri Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 He might need an injection.

 Can you do them yourself?  If so, maybe your vet will fill the syringe for
 you and you can inject him without you having to take him out of the
 house

 Just a thought.

 Lurker Terri in NJ

 - Original Message -
 From: veggiepugs
 To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Sent: Monday, November 28, 2005 9:08 PM
 Subject: Impossible

 Ok either I'm completely moronic or my cat is a superhero. I can NOT do any
 of the things suggested to give him a
 pill. I don't know what to do, I'm so frustrated I'm on the verge of tears.
 Tried crushing in food...he won't eat. Tried
 giving orally, he spit it out, scratched and bit me...tried crushing and
 syringing, he scratched me and freaked out
 again...tried wrapping him in a towel, putting on gloves and then
 syringing...he just used his back feet to kick and
 scratch and regurgitated it all and spit it out, followed by kicking the
 mortar and pestle off the counter wasting the
 rest of what was left for him to take. I now have a burning cat scratch on
 my hand, a very upset cat who won't come
 near me and wasted medicine. I can't even call the vet because they're
 closed. He STILL has diarrhea really bad, not
 vomiting and has an appetite but the diarrhea NEEDS treatment. I came home
 2x today and found 3 puddles of
 diarrhea in my foyer. I finally got a stool sample to get to the vet, but
 what good is it if I can't even medicate my own
 cat!!! WHAT DO I DO!! I am SO frustrated and upset. -Rebecca




--
MaryChristine

AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats
MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
ICQ: 289856892

Re: Impossible

2005-11-28 Thread Dudes

Aw, Rebecca, I wish I was there to help you hold him!  That Metranidazole is
so bitter!  Cats are so agile and lithe, able to twist and kick so fast.
Even when they don't feel well.  It sounds like you really tried your
hardest.  Perhaps the vet will find another way to help you help him.

And Brooklyn will forgive you.   I can't tell you how many times I have had
to apologize to one of my cat's backs, and explained that I was trying to
help.  Most of the time I won't be acknowledged, except for an ear will turn
my way, as if to say, I'm listening.  Keeping talking, I hear you.  Pretty
soon, it was as if it never happened.

Let us know what the vet suggests.
Hugs,
Sandy




- Original Message -
From: veggiepugs [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Monday, November 28, 2005 8:08 PM
Subject: Impossible


 Ok either I'm completely moronic or my cat is a superhero. I can NOT do
any of the things suggested to give him a
 pill. I don't know what to do, I'm so frustrated I'm on the verge of
tears. Tried crushing in food...he won't eat. Tried
 giving orally, he spit it out, scratched and bit me...tried crushing and
syringing, he scratched me and freaked out
 again...tried wrapping him in a towel, putting on gloves and then
syringing...he just used his back feet to kick and
 scratch and regurgitated it all and spit it out, followed by kicking the
mortar and pestle off the counter wasting the
 rest of what was left for him to take. I now have a burning cat scratch on
my hand, a very upset cat who won't come
 near me and wasted medicine. I can't even call the vet because they're
closed. He STILL has diarrhea really bad, not
 vomiting and has an appetite but the diarrhea NEEDS treatment. I came home
2x today and found 3 puddles of
 diarrhea in my foyer. I finally got a stool sample to get to the vet, but
what good is it if I can't even medicate my own
 cat!!! WHAT DO I DO!! I am SO frustrated and upset. -Rebecca

Re: Impossible

2005-11-28 Thread Gloria B. Lane


I sympathize.  I like the injection idea.

Also might try - if it's crushable, crush it fine, mix into 1cc turkey juice 
(from a can of turkey), use a 3cc oral syringe.


Gloria


- Original Message - 
From: veggiepugs [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Monday, November 28, 2005 8:08 PM
Subject: Impossible


Ok either I'm completely moronic or my cat is a superhero. I can NOT do 
any of the things suggested to give him a
pill. I don't know what to do, I'm so frustrated I'm on the verge of 
tears. Tried crushing in food...he won't eat. Tried
giving orally, he spit it out, scratched and bit me...tried crushing and 
syringing, he scratched me and freaked out
again...tried wrapping him in a towel, putting on gloves and then 
syringing...he just used his back feet to kick and
scratch and regurgitated it all and spit it out, followed by kicking the 
mortar and pestle off the counter wasting the
rest of what was left for him to take. I now have a burning cat scratch on 
my hand, a very upset cat who won't come
near me and wasted medicine. I can't even call the vet because they're 
closed. He STILL has diarrhea really bad, not
vomiting and has an appetite but the diarrhea NEEDS treatment. I came home 
2x today and found 3 puddles of
diarrhea in my foyer. I finally got a stool sample to get to the vet, but 
what good is it if I can't even medicate my own

cat!!! WHAT DO I DO!! I am SO frustrated and upset. -Rebecca

Re: Garfunkle

2005-11-28 Thread Dudes

Hideyo, I'm sorry, too.

I can't even imagine how hard it must be for you to lose Garfunkle.  I know
he brought you a lot of love.  I hope you always feel him near you.
Peace and comfort,
Sandy

Sigh...