date:20051210

Re: OT:CROSS POST..Newnan, GA.-Newnan-Coweta Humane Soc - BLIND KITTEN...

2005-12-10 Thread PEC2851




Nina~
Although I have not pulled from this shelter, I have pulled from Georgia 
(outside Atlanta) before and have some contacts down south.
If you want some contact info., I can forward you the info.
It is so heartbreaking. Too, too sad.
Patti

Re: Cotton

2005-12-10 Thread Sherry DeHaan

Sandy,when I first found out my Maizee had felv I also found out she had a huge lymphoma that was crushing her airway and she couldn't swallow her food without regurgitating it first.As soon as we found out about the lymphoma they put her on chemo treatments and within 3 days she was breathing and eating as normal.Then 3 months later she started coughing again and they took another x-ray thinking she might be coming out of remission,and the tumor was 99% gone.But they still believe that she had come out of remission,and I decided to just keep going with the protocol we were doing,cause anymore would have stressed her and I decided not to put her through a ton of more tests.She lasted 6 months after the initial findings of everything.I spoiled her and took tons of pics of my beautiful girl.Good luck with your kitty,this disease is a horrible thing to deal with. SherryNina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't know Sandy, I don't have any experience with treating lymphoma. Michelle is our resident expert on that, (unfortunately for Michelle). I do know that I've stopped listening so gravely to the prognosis' of vets. Miracles happen every single day and since this is a suspicion and has not been determined, I would fight hard against the urge to give up hope that Cotton is here for a good long while. Didn't you say that he was acting like the feisty little kitten he is? What did this vet suggest as your next move? Is it possible that new xrays/diagnostics might show something different now that he seems in so much better health? What did his blood work indicate? Keep your chin up, we're all pulling for you and Cotton.NinaDudes wrote: Hi Everyone; I got a second opinion on Cotton's xray of his 2 view abdomen which we got when he was sick almost a month ago. Thevet said thatCotton's liver and kidneys are enlarged, which makes her very suspicious of lymphoma. She said that if this is the case in both his kidneys and liver at such a young age, his prognosis ispoor. Any thoughts? Sandy

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Re: Advice please-vaccines-mixing

2005-12-10 Thread catatonya

I think vaccinations areESSENTIAL for your negatives. When bringing in an adult, EVEN IF THEY TEST NEGATIVE, I always vaccinate, wait 3 weeks, vaccinate again, wait 3 weeks, then mix them. This is not foolproof because the cat I'm bringing in could have the virus in the bone marrow, been recently exposed, etc In other words, they could already be positive and I just don't know it yet. But, if they are truly negative, I have faith in the vaccine.Also, I recently read somewhere (I thought it was on this list, but maybe not) that the vaccines are more than 85% now. I read that they are very effective, and that typically if a vaccinated cat turns up positive it is probably due to the fact that they were actually positive (with a false negative result) when they were vaccinated.ANY shelter cat, stray cat, any cat that has had exposure to any cats.. basically ALL cats that I
would ever deal with, were most likely exposed to felv before I got them. I do test them, but I don't wait 90 days and retest to 'confirm' the negative result before vaccinating. And there are cases where the virus is sequestered in the bone marrow. In that case a cat could test negative for years and have had it all along.We just have to do the best we can. I don't think anyone on this list is a breeder or anything like that. So we're all dealing with cats with unknown backgrounds. My opinion is vaccinate twice, give the vaccine time to take effect, and mix. Any cat that comes into my household (even if they DID contract felv from one of my positives) has a better life than if I had left it where I found it or turned it over to a shelter.In my opinion they even have a better life than if I found a 'sanctuary' for them. I'm not saying this to be negative about
sanctuaries. I think many of us wish we could run sanctuaries ourselves. BUT, a sanctuary is not the same as a home. And too many sanctuaries end up in trouble when they take on more than they can handle (Angel Wings) etc... Also, I already worry about what will happen to my cats *7* if something should happen to me.What happens to sanctuary cats run by one or two people if something happens to them?Just my 2 cents. I mix. I love all of my cats the same. I would feel guilty if my positive caused one my negatives to get felv. But I would also feel guilty if I leta negative cat go back on the street, go to a shelter, or have to live at a sanctuary instead of a real home. I feel like what is meant to be is meant to be. I feel safe with the vaccine. And this is the compromise I have chosen to live with. I can't communicate all of this to my
cats, but I like to think that if I could they would understand and agree.I would NEVER bring in a cat under a year old though, as I feel that would put that cat at too big of a risk. If it were a life or death decision I would separate that kitten until it was vaccinated and a year old. I WOULD, however, bring in a positive kitten if I could.We have pet limits here too. I agree that they are totally unconstitutional. Unfortunately, people in rescue don't have the money necessary to go to court and go to bat for this. I am officially over my limit right now, which is why I don't take in more.I had a friend who went through what Hideyo is going through right now. She did get through it, but I was not a close friend and I don't know how much it cost her. I try to keep my numbers low enough that if I did get called on the carpet for being over the
limit, I can place animals with friends until things settled back down. I use different vets so that even my vets don't know my total number of animals. But I really feel for Hideyo, there's no way I could farm out that many in her situation. :(tonyaTenHouseCats [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: while i know that there can be reactions to the FeLV vaccine itself,when there are negative cats involved, i'm still one who tends towardvaccinating the negatives to allow the positive a live free to roam. iknow a great deal of people who have had positives mixed withVACCINATED negatives for many, many years with no negative contractingthe virus; i personally have never seen any documented proof of avaccinated cat who was truly negative actually becoming positive. areany of my
personal cats vaccinated? only the ones that came to me thatway--however, i'd like to be able to hold cats/kittens for retesting,and as soon as i can afford the series of shots for the whole crew, imost probably WILL vaccinate them all. it's a rock-and-a-hard-placedecision for me; because my cats are rescues, i don't know about theirgenetic backgrounds, so i can't guarantee they would be able to throwthe virus off, and many are starting to get up into their teens withthe decrease immune capacity (is that the right word?)...while they say the vaccine is only 85% effective, i have seriousquestions about whether that's in a healthy, non-high-risk populationor in the whole cat universe. from being at the

Re: OT: HELP: PLS PRAY for my Hannibal

2005-12-10 Thread catatonya

Prayers of course coming for you, Hideyo, and Hannibal.My sister has an 18 year old dog with teeth problems. The vet says the problem with the sedation is fear that it could stop the heart. I don't know. It's getting worse, so I think they are going to have to take the risk for her as well.tonyaTad Burnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  Yes...I went through the same thing with my vet...Didn't want tosedate because of his age...But his father had the same thingyears earlier and ended up with cancer in the jaw and had tobe PTSI didn't want to go through that again and said I wouldrisk it to get the bad tooth outAs it turned out he used a very light sedation..only knocked him out for a couple minutes...It only takes a second
 to pull a tooth ifyou are all set up to do itIn 3 days he was eating like a pig and now 2 years later he is welland happy and no more antibiotics neededI don't know why vets are so afraid to take the risk and go for it...Maybe they just want you to understand that there is a valid riskbut in many cases in the long run the risk of doing nothing may beworse TadHideyo Yamamoto wrote:Hi, I am thinking of taking him to my vet to have them pull his tooth tomorrow morning -- again, he is an older boy, and has a kidney problem (or had), and heart murmur.. the vet thinks he has FIP due to high level of globulin (very high..)  which by the way I dont think he has..  Anyway,, I am afraid that he is losing weight because of the pain in his tooth, and am thinking of taking a chance to anesthesia him so that they can pull his tooth.  You guys, I need all your prayers for my baby, Hannibal so that the surgery will go well, and he will recover well he is one of my very feral boy,, though he is not a lap cat, I so love him and care for him dearly and I need your help sending him a good energyThank you in advance.LoveHideyo and Hannibal

Re: Advice please

2005-12-10 Thread catatonya

I agree. I would release back to the colony UNLESS this cat shows signs of taming down, in which case I would try to place it in a home. If it is still truly feral I would release. Feral cats are tough. If this cat is positive, the colony has already been exposed.Is someone caring/feeding this colony?t[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  Release to the colony is acceptable to me in this case. And here's why MC. As anothercat from this colony has already tested positive and been put down, it means theentire colony has already been exposed to FELV, so releasing this one cat back to itwont make any difference at all as far as exposure goes. Cats that are going to catchthe FELV already have from other positive cats in the
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Re: Hideyo's court case 19th??-attorney fees-incorporation

2005-12-10 Thread catatonya

I would be willing to help pay legal fees as well if it comes to that. Hideyo, you are too nice. Let your boyfriend help you!Also, you already know Hideyo, that I worry about you taking in more than you can handle. When this is all over I would really like to see you incorporate and get a board of maybe 1 or 2 additional people so that you have some help and some back up help for when you need it.I know I sound like a broken record, but a couple of years ago I had to have emergency surgery, and it was a nightmare due to my animals. It was during a holiday and my regular petsitter was not available. My family had to be given all directions, etc... (and friends) and tried to help, etc but you know how that goes.I guess I'm paranoid now, but I constantly worry and plan what to do with the animals if something happens to me. I'd like you to
develop a plan. You never know what can happen, and you have a LOT on your plate.I think this would help in your court case too (although it's too late for now, but if it comes up again). If you are incorporated and have more than one person to help out and contingency plans, etc Again, I'd be glad to help you if I can. And if I lived near you I'd be the first to work with you on incorporating your sanctuary.tonyaKerry MacKenzie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One way to help might be to help financially with legal fees if Hideyocan find someone experienced but they do not agree to take the case probono. I would be willing to send some money. I will commit to pay for minimum two hours legal fees--more if
poss/nec.depending on the hourly rate. It seems very important that Hideyo have agood attorney. (And my commitment to taking Hideyo's FeLV kitty Tsubamimost def. still stands)provided that Hideyo doesn't get herself into this situation again. Unfortunately I don't know how, even with the best will in the world, Hideyoor anyone else who opens their heart and doors to needy cats could guaranteethis--there are too many mean people wanting to make trouble for others,like the anonymous, cowardly complainer in Hideyo's case. I doubt very muchHideyo would be able financially to move to a safer (in terms of zoning)area. (The recent NJ shelter case also comes to mind--the one where 12 FeLVcats werefortunately saved by one angel in Indiana and a pilot with a heart of gold.That case arose, we were told, because of complaining neighbors who didn'tlike the presence of volunteers.)i can't
figure out why it's theconscientious people, who try to make good on the problems created byothers, who get penalizedAgreed, that's just one thing very wrong and unfair about the world we livein.Kerry- Original Message -From: "TenHouseCats" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2005 4:48 PMSubject: Re: Hideyo's court case 19th??i would think it would help to bring out more forcefully what has beenmentioned in passing: that hideyo, you are taking in animals that noone else wants, that you are caring for creatures that may be ill orundesirable (to others) but deserve to live, and that you are NOT thepeople who are letting their cats roam to spread disease, cause damageand repopulate the earth (i can't figure out why it's theconscientious people, who try to make good on the problems created byothers, who get
penalized)--MaryChristineAIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCatsMSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED]ICQ: 289856892

Re: Cotton

2005-12-10 Thread Dudes

Nina, Presto, Sherry:
Cotton is acting like hiszippy, happy
little self! He's such a cutie, his coat is shiny, soft and he's
growing! His eyes are bright and full of mischief, and he spends much of
his days playing andfollowing us so as not to miss anything.

He'sdoing so well right now, it's hard to
think of him as terminal. Presto, he's on Interferon and Lysine, but his
lymph nodes remain enlarged. In fact, lately they are a bit larger than
they have been in spite of everything, and they are feelinghard in his
neck. His labs about 3 or so weeks ago were all normal, except a
borderline high calcium, another indication that he might be dealing
withlymphoma.
The vetdid give me a couple of options in
order of aggresiveness:
1. Wait a couple of months to see how he is
doing,re- xray and see how the sizes measure, check blood work
again;
2.Ultrasoundthe
abdomen;
3. Needle biopsy allenlarged organs and
associated lymph nodes.

The vet is supposed to check with her senior
partner and make a final recommendation and give me an estimate as to what this
will cost.

I am a firm believer in treating the patient,
and not the results of tests.Cotton's overall attitude and health is
my biggest indicator for treatment.I guess my worry is that he will be in pain, and I don't
want his last days full of vet visits, feeling bad and not being able to be his
usual happy self. I don't want to selfishly prolong his life if he is
miserable. However, everything I've read is encouraging, saying that cats
usually respond to chemo very well.So we could buy a little quality
time with chemo if need be. Any other thoughts would be
appreciated.
Sandy

Re: HELP: PLS PRAY for my Hannibal-whiskers

2005-12-10 Thread Dudes




I am also fascinated by whiskers! 

My sweet little Cricket has slightly curled 
ones, and she brings them all forward when I ask her for a kiss. I 
consider that a very big compliment! 
My Miss loves hers stroked. 
Cotton has one black whisker on each 
cheek. The others are all white. I always talk to him about his 
"little black whiskers". He does NOT give kisses, but is much better about 
receiving.
My tuxedo cat Myca has the most beautiful 
incredibly long, straightwhite whiskers which contrast so with 
hisblack hair. When any go missing, Iask him where he's left 
them, especially his antennae whiskers.
Sandy

Re: Cotton

2005-12-10 Thread catatonya

Sandy,No opinions, but I'm sorry to hear this. I hope someone has some ideas for you and Cotton.tonyaDudes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  Hi Everyone;  I got a second opinion on Cotton's xray of his 2 view abdomen which we got when he was sick almost a month ago. Thevet said thatCotton's liver and kidneys are enlarged, which makes her very suspicious of lymphoma. She said that if this is the case in both his kidneys and liver at such a young age, his prognosis ispoor.   Any
 thoughts?  Sandy

Re: OT:CROSS POST..Newnan, GA.-Newnan-Coweta Humane Soc - BLIND KITTEN...

2005-12-10 Thread catatonya

I am a little over an hour from Coweta. If someone wants this kitten I can drive and pull it. I can separate here or make a friend foster if someone has a home. I really can't bring in a kitten due to my positives, and my cats are so disagreeable to each other I wouldn't want to bring in a blind kitten anyway.Tonya[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  Nina~  Although I have not pulled from this shelter, I have pulled from Georgia (outside Atlanta) before and have some contacts down south.  If you want some contact info., I can forward you the info.  It is so heartbreaking. Too, too sad.  Patti

Re: OT:CROSS POST..Newnan, GA.-Newnan-Coweta Humane Soc - BLIND KITTEN...

2005-12-10 Thread catatonya

Where are you located Nina?Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Terrie,This little angel's story broke my heart. I know it says that you have to apply for adoption in person, but couldn't someone else adopt her and then have her transported? I don't know why I'm asking, my husband would kill me, if he knew what I was thinking, but I just can't stand to think of her being in this situation without anyone to love her. Do you know the person that asked for cross posting?Nina[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:CROSS POSTING!
Please help me spread the word about this baby!! This absolutely breaks my heart!!! Shelter Rescue [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2005 10:11:09 -0500From: Shelter Rescue [EMAIL PROTECTED] Julie,Didn't know if you had another picked out to replace the orange kitty for the front page, but this kitten is in "the back" - and that means the next to be put down. She wasn't going to be put up for rescue/adoption, but the supervisor agreed to give her a few days. Although the flash of the camera makes her look as though she has no eyes in the picture, she just has the foggy eyes and you can tell that she is blind. Read the description below. IC-4KITTENDomestic Short Hair,Tabby - Grey MixSize: SmallAge: BabySex: FemaleID: 05120510 Coweta AC Notes: PLEASE CONTACT COWETA COUNTY ANIMAL CONTROL TO ADOPT THIS PET: 770-254-3735.This precious baby will break your heart!!! She is blind...she looks to have cataracts over both her eyes (you can see when we took her picture how the camera reflected the cataracts). She was brought into animal control because she "bit" someone (she was probably very scared because she can't see). When I took her out to take her picture...she snuggled up as close as she could get to my neck and began to purr non-stop even while trembling. It broke our heart to put her back into her cage (she felt her way right back to her spot behind her litter box). PLEASE..please do not let her life end at animal control. She desperately needs to be part of a loving family where she will be safe. Please hurry! This sweetie will be avail. for adoption, rescue OR EUTHANIZATION 12/15!! NOTE: CCAC CANNOT ADOPT ONLINE OR OVER THE PHONE. ADOPTIONS MUST BE DONE IN PERSON.
This pet is eligible for a gift of the first month of ShelterCare pet insurance paid for by Petfinder.com.For more information on pet insurance please visit us online at http://www.sheltercare.com or call 1-866-375-PETS. E-mail this pet to a friend! Newnan-Coweta Humane SocietyNewnan, GAmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Pet Inquiry: IC-4 (Id 05120510 Coweta AC)

BLIND KITTEN...

2005-12-10 Thread catatonya

Nina,Your husband is right. We can't save them all. These kinds of things pull at my heart too. Then I think about all of the totally healthy cats/kittens that are euthanized daily. They are just as deserving as the disabled and sick cats and kittens. It's a "no-win" situation.Over the years I've just learned to follow my heart. The ones I bring in are ones that tugged at my heart for various reasons. It's kind of like we always say you will "just know" when it's time to let one go. I always feel like I "just know" when it's a cat I "must" take in, no matter what.You just have to go with your heart, but take common sense into consideration as much as you can! lol.I am with the group "kittycityrescue" located in georgia where that post is from. Someone is picking the kitten up but does not have a home for
 it last I read. The person picking her up cannot keep her but will not let her go down.I assume Patti crossposted the email to this list because she used to be in Georgia and probably saw it on one of the GA lists.I'll check and see if I can find out what's going on.tNina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  So sad. There are times I don't know how I'll survive the grief of all the little angels that never get a chance. I was wondering about the cataracts too... I've never had a blind, or deaf cat in my home. But then again, there was a time I never had a kitty with felv too. Have you tried to contact the person that sent out the cross post about the
 little blind girl? I didn't want to get their hopes up, but I can't stop thinking about her. Do you think you might be able to take her in?N[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  I tired to get the white injured cat...the injured pit pup and was too late...

FYI: Blind Kitten at Coweta/Newnan Shelter-here is the latest I have

2005-12-10 Thread catatonya

cpqcpq6 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]From: "cpqcpq6" [EMAIL PROTECTED]Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2005 23:45:12 -Subject: [kittycityrescue] FYI: Blind Kitten at Coweta/Newnan ShelterI called the shelter today and spoke with both the animal control sargent, and the humane society representative. The kitten is being quarrantined per regulation because she bit someone. It's ridiculous, yes we, and they, know that. But that's the rule. They will keep her in isolation for 10 days to make sure she doesn't have rabies. Whenever an animal is turned in for biting (and no rabies tag), that's what happens.I told them I would come and get her on the day she is released. That's this coming Thursday, Dec. 15. If anyone else was thinking of taking her, please let me know
 because on the one hand, I have many, many animals, and it is always better (especially for a special needs animal) to have fewer in the household. But on the other hand, I have had a blind cat, so I know how to care for her.I thought I would post this to see if anyone had an intention of trying to adopt this kitten, and also to let you know that she WILL have a home come Thursday--one way or the other.When it comes to saving the life of an animal, trust no one other than yourself!! DO NOT THINK SOMEONE ELSE WILL DO IT!!!   SPONSORED LINKS Barbie pet rescue   North georgias   Save the world   YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "kittycityrescue" on the web.   To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED]   Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.

Re: Blind Kitten at Coweta/Newnan Shelter-here is the latest I have

2005-12-10 Thread gary




I'm glad to see that someone is taking this 
kitten. I have a blind kitten (now 6 months old) that I took in to foster 
and she is wonderful, fostering is over, we would never give her up. She 
and her sister (not blind) chase each other around the whole house and she plays 
with toys just like any other cat and knows where the litter boxes anand where 
the food is. She jumps up on the furniture and the bed and jumps down with 
no problem, the jumping down took a while to learn. I recently took in 2 
feral kittens to socialize and they are in a large crate that sits on a card 
table in my living room. Grace, the blind kitty, wants to play with them 
and the crate is close enough to the couch so she can get up to the crate. 
Lately she has taken to climbing up on top of the crate and laying there and she 
jumps down to the rug with no problem, the top of the crate is 5 feet off the 
floor. I'd say there isn't much see can't do except see.

Gary

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  catatonya 
  
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2005 10:43 
  AM
  Subject: FYI: Blind Kitten at 
  Coweta/Newnan Shelter-here is the latest I have
  cpqcpq6 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 
  To: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]From: 
"cpqcpq6" [EMAIL PROTECTED]Date: Fri, 09 
Dec 2005 23:45:12 -Subject: [kittycityrescue] FYI: Blind Kitten at 
Coweta/Newnan ShelterI called the shelter today and spoke with 
both the animal control sargent, and the humane society representative. 
The kitten is being quarrantined per regulation because she bit someone. 
It's ridiculous, yes we, and they, know that. But that's the rule. They 
will keep her in isolation for 10 days to make sure she doesn't have 
rabies. Whenever an animal is turned in for biting (and no rabies tag), 
that's what happens.I told them I would come and get her on the 
day she is released. That's this coming Thursday, Dec. 15. If anyone 
else was thinking of taking her, please let me know because on the one 
hand, I have many, many animals, and it is always better (especially for 
a special needs animal) to have fewer in the household. But on the 
other hand, I have had a blind cat, so I know how to care for 
her.I thought I would post this to see if anyone had an intention of 
trying to adopt this kitten, and also to let you know that she WILL 
have a home come Thursday--one way or the other.When 
it comes to saving the life of an animal, trust no one other than 
yourself!! DO NOT THINK SOMEONE ELSE WILL DO IT!!!

Re: FYI: Blind Kitten at Coweta/Newnan Shelter-here is the latest I have

2005-12-10 Thread Nina





Tonya, OMG this is fabulous news! All the arguments you made in your
previous post have been running through my mind and I had started to
come to the sad conclusion, that not only would it be difficult for my
own household, it would not be the best situation for this little girl
either. It looks like my numbers are going up again. I just took in a
young one that showed up at my dishes and now there's a new Tom in my
habitat as well! I'm so glad someone is stepping in to be her hero!
The knot in the pit of my stomach is starting to ease. I hate calling
her "the little blind girl", does she have a name yet? I can't wait to
hear she's out of there and with someone who wants and knows how to
care for her! Special little precious girl, look how many hearts she
stolen!
Nina

catatonya wrote:

  
  cpqcpq6 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  To:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
From: "cpqcpq6" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2005 23:45:12 -
Subject: [kittycityrescue] FYI: Blind Kitten at Coweta/Newnan Shelter

I called the shelter today and spoke with both the animal
control 
sargent, and the humane society representative. The kitten is being 
quarrantined per regulation because she bit someone. It's ridiculous, 
yes we, and they, know that. But that's the rule. They will keep her 
in isolation for 10 days to make sure she doesn't have rabies. 
Whenever an animal is turned in for biting (and no rabies tag), that's 
what happens.

I told them I would come and get her on the day she is released. 
That's this coming Thursday, Dec. 15. If anyone else was thinking of 
taking her, please let me know because on the one hand, I have many, 
many animals, and it is always better (especially for a special needs 
animal) to have fewer in the household. But on the other hand, I have 
had a blind cat, so I know how to care for her.

I thought I would post this to see if anyone had an intention of 
trying to adopt this kitten, and also to let you know that she WILL 
have a home come Thursday--one way or the other.

Re: Blind Kitten at Coweta/Newnan Shelter-here is the latest I have

2005-12-10 Thread Nina





Hooray! I love this list!!! Thanks Gary for sharing Grace's story,
(big intake of breath on learning your baby's name). She sounds as
wonderful as her furless parents! Thanks for the uplift!
N

gary wrote:

  
  
  
  I'm glad to see that someone is
taking this kitten. I have a blind kitten (now 6 months old) that I
took in to foster and she is wonderful, fostering is over, we would
never give her up. She and her sister (not blind) chase each other
around the whole house and she plays with toys just like any other cat
and knows where the litter boxes anand where the food is. She jumps up
on the furniture and the bed and jumps down with no problem, the
jumping down took a while to learn. I recently took in 2 feral kittens
to socialize and they are in a large crate that sits on a card table in
my living room. Grace, the blind kitty, wants to play with them and
the crate is close enough to the couch so she can get up to the crate.
Lately she has taken to climbing up on top of the crate and laying
there and she jumps down to the rug with no problem, the top of the
crate is 5 feet off the floor. I'd say there isn't much see can't do
except see.
  
  Gary

Re: ADMIN: Digest format change

2005-12-10 Thread Nina

Hi James!  You're such a wonderful caretaker.  Just wanted to post a 
little note of appreciation, (as always), for the way you moderate this 
marvelous group.  We couldn't interact the way we do with out your 
support and indulgence.  I love thinking of you behind the scenes 
quietly watching and reading.  It makes me feel like I've got an extra 
guardian angel watching over us all!

Much love to you,
Nina

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Hello everyone, 

I've received a few complaints about too many digests being sent out 
per day. So, I've reset the size of each digest to 100Kb from 30Kb. 
Hopefully, that'll solve the problem. I invite anyone who has 
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privately at: phaedrus at charter.net  I'm here to assist. Take care, 
and best wishes to all.


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sanctuaries

2005-12-10 Thread TenHouseCats

about sanctuaries: there is NO substitute for a forever home! at the
sanctuary where i lived/worked, we did NOT take in housecats, only
strays and ferals. housecats just did not do well in our setting, tho
for the cats who had lived on their own, it was wonderful--constant
food, water, a roof over their heads, warmth (or cool, in the summer),
big windows to watch the birds and mice and raccoons through, and
people to love them. did they get enough attention? does any cat? we
knew them all by name, we cuddled with those who wanted it and just
kept an eye out for medical problems in those who did NOT consider
humans a good thing. because of state law, anything upholstered or
carpeted that couldn't be sanitized was not allowed--no comfy
furniture, no ordinary cat-trees. but little tykes furniture and kid's
pools full of blankies and beds work very well--usually, the pool have
more than a dozen cats in them at once. it was their home, but it
wasn't A home

keeping volunteers for a FeLV situation can be difficult: the reality
is that FeLV cats die a lot sooner and more frequently than do FIVs or
the general population cats. finding someone gone in the morning was a
not uncommon occurrence; sometimes we'd known there were going and had
been treating them and keeping them comfortable, but just as often,
there'd been no warning at all. this was VERY VERY difficult for a lot
of outsiders to handle. (not that it was simple for us, but we were
more accepting that it was gonna happen.

a good sanctuary will have a board that has arrangements made in case
the people running it are unable to; a good sanctuary will always let
people come by to see the place before a cat is placed. this is NOT
the same as being open to the public: many sanctuaries are located in
or near the homes of those who run it, and neither they nor the cats
expect to have to deal with a constant stream of people in and out. we
NEVER kept anyone with a legitimate reason to come by from doing
so--but we needed notice, and respect for the fact that, occasionally,
the cats allowed us a few hours to ourselves! most of all, a good
sanctuary will know how to say, No, when they are at capacity. many
of the sanctuaries that have gotten in trouble have done so because
turning down cats is so difficult. all it takes is to have a few cats
too many, and to encounter a problem--personal illness, an outbreak of
an illness in the cats, a loss of volunteers, an unexpected dip in
donations--and the situation can rapidly spiral downward. i'm not sure
why, but i've known a lot of people doing sanctuary work who've found
themselves in a situation that may be temporary, but they don't ask
for help from their boards and people who WOULD help if they knew.
fear of asking YET AGAIN for help? embarassment that they got into a
difficult situation? thinking that the don't need anyone else? who
knows--but it happens too often.

working with FeLVs and FIVs and other special-needs cats was
incredibly hard, and amazingly rewarding--if there's a sanctuary near
you, see if there's any help you can offer them. it's all for these
cats that no one seems to want...

MC


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RE: sanctuaries

2005-12-10 Thread Chris









This is the famous (or rather infamous,
EDNAH sanctuary) that among other things got a bunch of dogs rescued in New Orleans area because of
Hurricane Katrina. I believe the Katrina dogs placed there were from Pasado, a
reputable group in Oregon?, not sure, that had done rescue in NOLA. As a second tragedy,
one of the places that some the EDNAH dogs were sent to in Kansas, also just got raided
for exactly the same conditions. 





Chris

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Here is a post I just received. I'm just saying
you have to be extremely careful with sanctuaries. I think ALL of them
are started for the right reasons. People just get overwhelmed and then
we have situations like this. :(











Of course I realize there aremany wonderful
sanctuaries. I think people wanting to get rid of an animal for some
reason just jump on the term 'sanctuary' and leave an animal there thinking
they've done the 'right' thing without doing any checking, etc It's a
shame, but many sanctuaries end up in bad situations.











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Ark.
Animal Rescuers Charged With Cruelty 
GAMALIEL, Ark.  Two owners of an animal
rescue operation were 
arrested after hundreds of dogs, some rescued from
Hurricane 
Katrina, were found on the couple's property
groveling for food 
among urine and feces, authorities said Saturday.

Among the stench, sheriff's deputies found one
dead dog, another 
with a broken leg, and many with sores, Baxter
County Sheriff John 
Montgomery said.

Between 400 and 500 dogs were on the two-acre lot,
including 50 pit 
bulls rescued from Louisiana after the hurricane,
Montgomery said. 
About 75 dogs were running loose, he said.

Some of the dogs appeared to be aggressive; others
sat nervously in 
small metal cages.

It's very sad that people depend on this
shelter to take care of 
their animals and you get here and see that the
conditions are just 
unbelievable, Montgomery said.

William Hanson, 41, and his wife Tammy Hanson, 38,
were charged 
Friday with animal cruelty and released on $1,000
bond each. 
Messages left with the couple Saturday seeking
comment were not 
immediately returned.

Volunteers and a veterinarian were tending to the
animals at 
E.D.N.A.H. Animal Rescue and Sanctuary, or Every
Dog Needs A Home. 
Montgomery said the dogs might be sent to other
shelters or rescue 
groups.


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What kind of Worms in feces?

2005-12-10 Thread Steph E Caldwell

Cheif/TeeCee has worms in his feces, lots and lots of them. They're 
about 1/4 - 1/2 logn and are swimming around in his diarhea. I'm giong 
to call my vet tomorrow, but any idea what htis might be?


When we did bloodwork this week on his annual checkup his liver enzymes 
were a tad high... But, otherwise he got a clean bill of health from teh 
vet.


Steph

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