Re: anemia
Hi Kerry, I'm wondering what kind of Co Q 10 you use, and where you get it (also the Liqui-tinic ) Thanks! Gloria On Jan 5, 2006, at 1:52 AM, Kerry Roach wrote: Hi, I have been trying to catch up on reading some posts..so I think this is for Bonnie and Belinda...I am going to list what I give Bandy or some of it...the most recent things anyway..I do think Bandy has non-regenerative anemia...But something is working for now..It is hard to tell what I guess because I rotate his supplements..If he turns his nose up, then I go get some food just to make sure he eats that meal then add the supplements to the next meal.. Liqui-tinic 4X vitamin and iron supplement similiar to pet tinic Co Q 10 sprinkled on 2 meals a day Extra strength immune and antioxidant support by CAS options..which has the following in it...Reishi, Shiitake and Maitake mushrooms, green tea powder, vit C Co Q 10, selenium and Vit E once a day Oxazepam transdermal for appetite stimulant...( we haven't used this in about 3 months though) good to have around though Folic acid 800mcg. which I sprinkle on every meal...so the capsule usually lasts for 3 meals...I am giving it to all of the ones with Bandy as they do get into each others food..Lil Rascal my heart kitty needs some too...My natural book says give 0.8mg.kg on food daily for cats..But also says when a kitty is sick to up the doses of most things by 6 to 10 times..It is good for pets on pred and tetracycline antibiotics...So this is why I went ahead and added it to Bandy's supps as he has had both.He still gets dex for his fever so I am hoping this is helping his anemia... Bugleweed is something I am going to give Little RAscal as it is good for heart conditions and hyper thyroidism...I couldn't remember if one of you said your kitty was hyper-t, too... I feed Bandy science diet kitten food along with some fancy feast salmon. They also have Sci diet k/d available and oral care.. I did forget to list bovine colostum...Someone on the FIV group told me to add this awhile back so that goes on every meal, too..I sprinkle it on the food..The lady that told me about it has given her FIV kitty up to 6000mg of it in a day...I use about 1200 or so... Bandy did take epogen shots for about 4 or 5 wks..I think...3x the first week then 2x a week..After he had the bone marrow biopsy, we stopped them just to make sure he didn't develope antibodies to it so we might be able to use it again if his anemia gets worse... Hope this helps some...anything else I think of I will post...or email me directly if you want... Best of luck to you and your kitties... We will be thinking of you, Kerry, Bandy and Lil Rascal and the rest of the crew.. Yahoo! Photos Ring in the New Year with Photo Calendars. Add photos, events, holidays, whatever.
Re: Need your help with Stretch
Hey Wendy,Your vet will show you how to do it and tell you how much to give and how often. One bag holds 1000 mL and typically you give 100-200 mL throughout the day so a a bag will last a while.It IS hard when you first start, but you build up your confidence as you go. Be prepared to stick yourself a few times too!twendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks Tonya. I think I will go that route if I don'tsee an improvement in eating/drinking very soon. It'sa little scary though. I've never stuck a needle intoanother living being, unless you count gettingsplinters out, so I am a bit nervous about tryingthis. Do you give the cat the whole bag? And whereand how do you stick the needle?Thanks,Wendy--- catatonya <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: Wendy, The fluid is already in the bags you buy. You don't fill them yourselves. I don't know what all is in them. I suppose electrolytes, fluids, maybe potassium? If you've got a decent vet a bag of fluid and the set up for sub q should be less than $10. t t wendy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: Hey Michelle, I can't imagine how you felt with them telling you to pay up front while you're holding your sick cat! That just sounds bad! I just started working a second job, so as soon as we get any money at all, then I will probably take Stretch in for the tests and if affordable, to get X-rays, and the fluid drained. Do X-rays show cancer tumors and/or fluid? Also, how often do you give the dex/depo shot (if it is lymphoma)? I could not really tell if the dex shot helped much. Stretch isn't breathing as heavily as she was, but her breathing is still somewhat labored. Also, where do you get the bags and needles to do sub-Q fluids? Is there anything else I need to do sub-Q? Do you just use water? Thanks, Wendy__ Yahoo! DSL Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less. dsl.yahoo.com __ Yahoo! DSL Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less. dsl.yahoo.com
Re: Bailey is anemic
Hi Kerry, Yes I did join the anemia group and am going to get the folic acid you mentioned. Bailey gets alot of the things you mentioned already. My vet also feels Bailey's anemia is non regenerative and if Fred Meyers ever gets my procrit or epogen (procrit is on back order) I will get him started, he is also suppose to get it 3x a week, and then we will do a count recheck. My biggest problem now is weight loss, he is losing weight and even though it is extremely stressful for him I am going to step up the syringe feeding. He is down to 8lbs 4oz, yesterday he was 8lbs 8oz. It isn't going to do either of us any good if he gets HL on top of this. I just pray the stress doesn't put him over the edge. He is extremely sensitive. If my epo or procrit doesn't come in today there is going to be news of a crazy lady in the Fred Meyers in Washington state, I'm really on the verge of losing it. It seems like everything I am trying is getting blocked or messed up and I am barely holding it together. I lost my baby Frankie to anemia back in 1995 (my then vet didn't know hardly anthing about FeLV and how to treat anything). He was at 6 (his count), still eating and looking good, he still weighted about 17lbs., the only reason I took him in was because he had changed his nightly routine and his breathing seemed labored that day. I just had a gut feeling something was wrong. My vet was amazed he was still alive. She wanted me to euthanize him right then and I told her no way. He did pass that night at home. So this is really scaring me ... -- Belinda Happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties ... http://www.bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candle Light Service http://www.bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com (affordable hosting web design) http://HostDesign4U.com --- BMK Designs (non-profit web sites) http://bmk.bemikitties.com
Re: Bailey is anemic
Belinda,I am so hoping that Bailey gets his medicine soon and starts to rebound.JoanBelinda Sauro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Kerry,Yes I did join the anemia group and am going to get the folic acid you mentioned. Bailey gets alot of the things you mentioned already. My vet also feels Bailey's anemia is non regenerative and if Fred Meyers ever gets my procrit or epogen (procrit is on back order) I will get him started, he is also suppose to get it 3x a week, and then we will do a count recheck.My biggest problem now is weight loss, he is losing weight and even though it is extremely stressful for him I am going to step up the syringe feeding. He is down to 8lbs 4oz, yesterday he was 8lbs 8oz. It isn't going to do either of us any good if he gets HL on top of this. I just pray the stress doesn't put him over the edge. He is extremely sensitive.If my epo or procrit doesn't come in today there is going to be news of a crazy lady in the Fred Meyers in Washington state, I'm really on the verge of losing it. It seems like everything I am trying is getting blocked or messed up and I am barely holding it together. I lost my baby Frankie to anemia back in 1995 (my then vet didn't know hardly anthing about FeLV and how to treat anything). He was at 6 (his count), still eating and looking good, he still weighted about 17lbs., the only reason I took him in was because he had changed his nightly routine and his breathing seemed labored that day. I just had a gut feeling something was wrong. My vet was amazed he was still alive. She wanted me to euthanize him right then and I told her no way. He did pass that night at home.So this is really scaring me ...-- BelindaHappiness is being owned by cats ...Be-Mi-Kitties ...http://www.bemikitties.comPost Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittenshttp://adopt.bemikitties.comFeLV Candle Light Servicehttp://www.bemikitties.com/clsHostDesign4U.com (affordable hosting web design)http://HostDesign4U.com---BMK Designs (non-profit web sites)http://bmk.bemikitties.com
Patches Lucy
Michelle I send positive thoughts to you and your dear kitties. I dispute the people who said you are the wrong sort of person to take in 6FeLV+ cats. You are exactly the right kind of person because you care and will make sure the kitties get eternal love and the proper care they deserve. I am the same with my cats as everyone here - get so attached and so distressed when they are not well and people ask why I put myself through it. The answer is I can't imagine my life not helping FIV FeLV cats and when they come to pass then more will be welcomed in. Once they have put their paw prints on your heart they are there forever. Too many people don't care so it would be a crime for people like you and others here who do care to not adopt these cats. Michelle, Minstrel, Buddy Angel Bramble
RE: Need your help with Stretch
Title: Message Wendy, I'm barely keeping up with posts but see you're looking at giving fluids---believe me, if I can do it anyone can! I'm as clumsy and squeamish as they come! A housecall vet showed me last year without me asking otherwise I know I would never have asked/learned. I get the impression that any vet or tech worth their salt should be happy to demonstrate. (They know it's a tremendous waste of $$$ to have a vet/tech do it when you can do it yourself. Better to save the $$$ for everything else.) Like anything new, have someone experienced like eg a vet or tech or shelter volunteer show you how it's done. It really is very simple. It's not like a vein has to be found--the needles just goes under the skin--you just grasp the skin on either the left or right side of the cat, and pull it up into a "tent" shape---the demonstrator will show you where--insertthe needle, then unlock the water flow, and watch the numbers on the bag until the prescribed amount has been administered. I do it with my foster, Pookie, every 2 days, and it takes about 2 mins. It's actually quite a bonding experience, I feel. The experts say a dehydrated cat always feels immediately better. (I give Pookie a Feline Greenie treat immediately after, so that makes him feel good too. It also makes me feel good that I can do this for Pookie as I think maybe not all the shelter's foster parents have yet learned to give subQs.) Someone else on this list said recently they felt mortifiedby the early-day mistakes they made--not sure if this was in reference to subQs or something else. But that sure rang a bell with me. I either was not told at all, or it wasn't stressed, by the housecall vet that a NEW needle had to be used every time (for sharpness--just one use blunts the needle; and sterility reasons---when you withdraw a needle it hastissue on it. Someone else will put me right if I haven't quite explained this properly.) This is second nature to medical people but not necessarily to laypeople!! So I recall now with some anguish my sessions with poor Caramel, who being feral, was already stressed out by my having to catch him and pin him down (with help of friend) to give him fluids. I probably hydrated him 5 times and I don't believe I changed the needle once. This only dawned on me recently when I was being briefed by the shelter re Pookie.I felt and still feel terrible about poor Caramel. It took me a little while to get to a point with Pookie where I was only using one needle per session--sometimes I'd prick my own finger before even getting to him, which meant a change of needle was required. Or, he would move suddenly and the needle would slip out, again requiring a new needle. Something else I'll mention---the first time I had to change a bag, I was totally baffled afterdoing it because I couldn't see the fluid line in the bag, so there was no way to tell how much was being administered. The simple solution was to detach and reattach the "tubing" from the fluidbag--doing that introduced air, and that allowed the fluid line to become visible. But I'm no scientistsomeone had to tell me that. And by the time I found out what to do, I'd wasted half the bag in an effort to "find the fluid line"! Also, if everthe fluid seems not to be flowing I give the little oblong fluid reservoir a squeeze and that seems to solve that prob. What else? Well, it's a bit of a fiddle at the beginning endowed as we are with only 2 hands, but 3 areas to control---cat, needle and bag. But practice makes, if not entirely perfect, less imperfect! Good luck! It's def easier than learning to ride a bike! And a great skill for a cat mom/dad to have! Kerry PS One more thing---I hear from my shelter counsellor contact that fluids are much cheaper online. Needles too. I think I was ripped off by the housecall vet. I paid $41 for delivery of one bag. -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of catatonyaSent: Thursday, January 05, 2006 9:21 AMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: Need your help with Stretch Hey Wendy, Your vet will show you how to do it and tell you how much to give and how often. One bag holds 1000 mL and typically you give 100-200 mL throughout the day so a a bag will last a while. It IS hard when you first start, but you build up your confidence as you go. Be prepared to stick yourself a few times too! twendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks Tonya. I think I will go that route if I don'tsee an improvement in eating/drinking very soon. It'sa little scary though. I've never stuck a needle intoanother living being, unless you count gettingsplinters out, so I am a bit nervous about tryingthis. Do you give the cat the whole bag? And whereand how do you stick the needle?Thanks,Wendy--- catatonya <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: Wendy, The fluid is already in the bags you buy. You don't fill them
Re: Bailey is anemic
Hi Belinda! I'm trying to catch up with the list and just wanted to let you know that you and Bailey are in my thoughts!! Bailey has always been my kitty role model, too...knowing that he has beaten the odds has always given me hope when there's so little of it to go around with this virus, sometimes... :( Give Bailey a big hug and kiss from Ewok and me! Jen But if you tame me, then we shall need each other. To me, you will be unique in all the world. To you, I shall be unique in all the world; You become responsible, forever, for what you have tamed... --Antoine de Saint-Exupéry If you talk to the animals they will talk with you and you will know each other. If you do not talk to them you will not know them, and what you do not know you will fear. What one fears one destroys. --Chief Dan George - Original Message - From: Belinda Sauro [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thursday, January 5, 2006 9:26 am Subject: Re: Bailey is anemic Hi Kerry, Yes I did join the anemia group and am going to get the folic acid you mentioned. Bailey gets alot of the things you mentioned already. My vet also feels Bailey's anemia is non regenerative and if Fred Meyers ever gets my procrit or epogen (procrit is on back order) I will get him started, he is also suppose to get it 3x a week, and then we will do a count recheck. My biggest problem now is weight loss, he is losing weight and even though it is extremely stressful for him I am going to step up the syringe feeding. He is down to 8lbs 4oz, yesterday he was 8lbs 8oz. It isn't going to do either of us any good if he gets HL on top of this. I just pray the stress doesn't put him over the edge. He is extremely sensitive. If my epo or procrit doesn't come in today there is going to be news of a crazy lady in the Fred Meyers in Washington state, I'm really on the verge of losing it. It seems like everything I am trying is getting blocked or messed up and I am barely holding it together. I lost my baby Frankie to anemia back in 1995 (my then vet didn't know hardly anthing about FeLV and how to treat anything). He was at 6 (his count), still eating and looking good, he still weighted about 17lbs., the only reason I took him in was because he had changed his nightly routine and his breathing seemed labored that day. I just had a gut feeling something was wrong. My vet was amazed he was still alive. She wanted me to euthanize him right then and I told her no way. He did pass that night at home. So this is really scaring me ... -- Belinda Happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties ... http://www.bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candle Light Service http://www.bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com (affordable hosting web design) http://HostDesign4U.com --- BMK Designs (non-profit web sites) http://bmk.bemikitties.com
Re: Need your help with Stretch
In a message dated 1/5/06 11:09:04 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Needles too. I think I was ripped off by the housecall vet. I paid $41 for delivery of one bag. Definitely~ The clinic could buy SEVERAL cases of fluids with all that $$$!!
RE: Need your help with Stretch
Title: Message I already planned never to use her again, and unless I get desperate, that's confirmed it. Thanks Pattie! -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2006 10:16 AMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: Need your help with Stretch In a message dated 1/5/06 11:09:04 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Needles too. I think I was ripped off by the housecall vet. I paid $41 for delivery of one bag. Definitely~ The clinic could buy SEVERAL cases of fluids with all that $$$!! =00IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed above as to tax matters was neither written nor intended by the sender or Mayer, Brown, Rowe & Maw LLP to be used and cannot be used by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding tax penalties that may be imposed under U.S. tax law. If any person uses or refers to any such tax advice in promoting, marketing or recommending a partnership or other entity, investment plan or arrangement to any taxpayer, then (i) the advice was written to support the promotion or marketing (by a person other than Mayer, Brown, Rowe & Maw LLP) of that transaction or matter, and (ii) such taxpayer should seek advice based on the taxpayers particular circumstances from an independent tax advisorThis email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
Re: Need your help with Stretch
Another nice trick to be able to hang the fluid bag up high is to take a regular old wire clothes hanger and take the bottom part in the middle and stretch it completely out until the hanger looks like a long tube shape with the hang part at the top. The fold the tube part in half. You can hang the bag on the folded part and adjust the top hanging part by turning it where you need it to be albe to see the numbers on the bag. I then hang it on the ramp walk way across the kitchen counters we put up for the kitties and it is high enough that the fluids come out fairly quickly and it only takes a minute or maybe a little less to give Bailey his 100cc's. I can put up a picture if it would help to understand what I'm talking about. -- Belinda Happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties ... http://www.bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candle Light Service http://www.bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com (affordable hosting web design) http://HostDesign4U.com --- BMK Designs (non-profit web sites) http://bmk.bemikitties.com
Re: Need your help with Stretch
Way too much for fluids, but she probably charged you her regular housecall fee plus the price of the fluids. I pay $10.00 a bag with about 10 needles (still high), you can buy them online for about $3 something a bag and I think the line is an extra dollar or two. -- Belinda Happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties ... http://www.bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candle Light Service http://www.bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com (affordable hosting web design) http://HostDesign4U.com --- BMK Designs (non-profit web sites) http://bmk.bemikitties.com
Re: Bailey is anemic
Thanks Jen, He is really depressed after getting fed, but I'm hoping once his tummy gets enough food in it he will forgive me and feel better. -- Belinda Happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties ... http://www.bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candle Light Service http://www.bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com (affordable hosting web design) http://HostDesign4U.com --- BMK Designs (non-profit web sites) http://bmk.bemikitties.com
RE: Need your help with Stretch
Yes, I heard it was about $3 online!! (The vet had her tech deliver to my workplace--not such a great distance. So still a rip-off!) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Belinda Sauro Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2006 10:33 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Need your help with Stretch Way too much for fluids, but she probably charged you her regular housecall fee plus the price of the fluids. I pay $10.00 a bag with about 10 needles (still high), you can buy them online for about $3 something a bag and I think the line is an extra dollar or two. -- Belinda Happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties ... http://www.bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candle Light Service http://www.bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com (affordable hosting web design) http://HostDesign4U.com --- BMK Designs (non-profit web sites) http://bmk.bemikitties.com hr IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed above as to tax matters was neither written nor intended by the sender or Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP to be used and cannot be used by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding tax penalties that may be imposed under U.S. tax law. If any person uses or refers to any such tax advice in promoting, marketing or recommending a partnership or other entity, investment plan or arrangement to any taxpayer, then (i) the advice was written to support the promotion or marketing (by a person other than Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP) of that transaction or matter, and (ii) such taxpayer should seek advice based on the taxpayers particular circumstances from an independent tax advisor hr This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
RE: Need your help with Stretch
I hang it on the clothes hook on the back of the bedroom door. But your idea might be better as mine is a double hook and depending on which hook I hang it on (the bag slot isn't wide enough to fit over the double hook) the fluid level reading is different. Hanging it over the single hook probably makes the bag a bit uneven. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Belinda Sauro Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2006 10:31 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Need your help with Stretch Another nice trick to be able to hang the fluid bag up high is to take a regular old wire clothes hanger and take the bottom part in the middle and stretch it completely out until the hanger looks like a long tube shape with the hang part at the top. The fold the tube part in half. You can hang the bag on the folded part and adjust the top hanging part by turning it where you need it to be albe to see the numbers on the bag. I then hang it on the ramp walk way across the kitchen counters we put up for the kitties and it is high enough that the fluids come out fairly quickly and it only takes a minute or maybe a little less to give Bailey his 100cc's. I can put up a picture if it would help to understand what I'm talking about. -- Belinda Happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties ... http://www.bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candle Light Service http://www.bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com (affordable hosting web design) http://HostDesign4U.com --- BMK Designs (non-profit web sites) http://bmk.bemikitties.com hr IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed above as to tax matters was neither written nor intended by the sender or Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP to be used and cannot be used by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding tax penalties that may be imposed under U.S. tax law. If any person uses or refers to any such tax advice in promoting, marketing or recommending a partnership or other entity, investment plan or arrangement to any taxpayer, then (i) the advice was written to support the promotion or marketing (by a person other than Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP) of that transaction or matter, and (ii) such taxpayer should seek advice based on the taxpayers particular circumstances from an independent tax advisor hr This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
Re: Bailey is anemic
Belinda, Have you tried B12 shots? These sometimes help with appetite and weight loss. Also, is he on periactin? Have you tried the liver shake recipe with him? It might also be worth asking for a dexamethasone shot. That sometimes jump starts them eating, and sometimes also helps with anemia, depending on the cause of it. Michelle
Re: Bailey is anemic
Hi Michelle, She did give me an appetite stimulent cypro something or other, I gave it to him once, but decided the most effect way to get food into him was by syringing. He had a B-12 shot on Monday, and I have another but don't you have to wait a week or so to give another? My vet is off until tomorrow and I will ask about the dexamethasone shot. Today I am going to get 100 to 120cc's minimum into him unless he throws it up. Got 40cc's into him this morning at 6-6:30 or so, am going to do 20 to 40 more at 10AM. -- Belinda Happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties ... http://www.bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candle Light Service http://www.bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com (affordable hosting web design) http://HostDesign4U.com --- BMK Designs (non-profit web sites) http://bmk.bemikitties.com
Re: Jen-- How is Ewok?
Hi Michelle! So far, so good...the CCNU seems to be working! His appetite is up (although he's still not eating as much as I'd like to see him eat...he's put on a little weight, but he's still probably only around 9 lbs--he weighed around 14 before this all started) and his energy level or old-self-self is back...he even felt good enough to wrestle a little with his buddy (Hermes--who has been waiting patiently for Ewok to feel up to playing) yesterday for the first time in about a month! I'm still watching him like a hawk as the oncologist won't be able to give him another treatment until next Friday. Ewok didn't eat much this morning (although he eagerly scarfed down some raw turkey--I know raw is probably a no-no, but I'm just thrilled to see him eat anything on his own). He's out and about, though...not hiding in the closet like he usually does when he's not feeling well. I haven't used dex or the combo shot since Christmas...but I know my regular vet is just around the corner in case I need anything...I'm hoping the steroid shots will be an option if Ewok starts feeling bad again before his oncologist's appointment! Fingers crossed that he remains happy and active for awhile! :) How are Patches and Lucy? Sorry, I'm still trying to catch up! :) Jen But if you tame me, then we shall need each other. To me, you will be unique in all the world. To you, I shall be unique in all the world; You become responsible, forever, for what you have tamed... --Antoine de Saint-Exupéry If you talk to the animals they will talk with you and you will know each other. If you do not talk to them you will not know them, and what you do not know you will fear. What one fears one destroys. --Chief Dan George - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thursday, January 5, 2006 11:13 am Subject: Jen-- How is Ewok? Hi, Jen. I have been reading your posts to others and wondering how Ewok is doing. Has he reacted, good or bad, to the CCNU? Has he needed additional dex shots? I don't remember when you did the combo shot, but he could possibly need another depo shot as well at some point I am hoping that no news means good news! Michelle
Re: Jen-- How is Ewok?
Jen, SO glad to hear Ewok is still doing well!! Simon responded very well to the CCNU also. After that he got Adriamycin, which he did not respond well to, and I wished I had asked the oncologist to give him more CCNU instead. I think the oncologist was afraid that without switching the drugs each time he would become resistant. But I think they take longer to become resistant to CCNU. As for the steroids, is he still getting pred pills? The Depo shot is instead of the pred pills, or should be I think. The oncologist should know when the right time is to give another Depo shot if Ewok keeps looking good and does not seem to need it badly. Patches is feeling better from antibiotics and prednisone and is scheduled to have her two canines and possibly (but hopefully not) other teeth pulled next Wednesday morning. So please say a prayer or thought or whatever strikes you best for her! Lucy is tapering off the pred herself and seems to be doing ok-- fairly solid stool, though still not entirely normal. As for feeding raw meat, I am actually about to start feeding mine, or at least Lucy and maybe Patches, a raw diet. It is recommended for cats with chronic loose stools, on the feline IBD list serve. I ordered a supplement mix to put in with ground raw meat and organs. Being a vegan this is all very difficult for me (I had a nightmare last night that I had to have Lucy killed to be fed to an animal who needed to eat her to be healthy, which I think is my guild and discomfort at buying a dead turkey to help Lucy). But I think raw is ok, and maybe better, for them. The liver shake uses raw liver in it, and most people on this list feed that to cats when they are sick. All that said, I am totally nervous about starting the raw diet because I have read in some places that it is not good for immune-compromised cats. But I figure neither is inflamed intestines or struvite crystals, which raw is supposed to fix in many cats. Thanks for the update, and may he keep going strong! Michelle In a message dated 1/5/2006 1:17:50 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Michelle!So far, so good...the CCNU seems to be working! His appetite is up(although he's still not eating as much as I'd like to see himeat...he's put on a little weight, but he's still probably only around 9lbs--he weighed around 14 before this all started) and his energy levelor "old-self-self" is back...he even felt good enough to wrestle alittle with his buddy (Hermes--who has been waiting patiently for Ewokto feel up to playing) yesterday for the first time in about a month! I'm still watching him like a hawk as the oncologist won't be able togive him another treatment until next Friday. Ewok didn't eat much thismorning (although he eagerly scarfed down some raw turkey--I know raw isprobably a no-no, but I'm just thrilled to see him eat anything on hisown). He's out and about, though...not hiding in the closet like heusually does when he's not feeling well.I haven't used dex or the combo shot since Christmas...but I know myregular vet is just around the corner in case I need anything...I'mhoping the steroid shots will be an option if Ewok starts feeling badagain before his oncologist's appointment! Fingers crossed that heremains happy and active for awhile! :)How are Patches and Lucy? Sorry, I'm still trying to catch up! :)Jen
Sub-Q for Stretch
Hi guys, Well, yesterday I ran into a problem trying to get sub-Q fluids for Stretch. The vet I originally took him to charges $30/35 for a set up, which I thought was crazy. So I called another vet, who said they'd have to talk to my vet since they hadn't seen my cat, which I didn't want in case it might tick off the vet, or they'd have to see my cat, which would mean another $30 office visit on top of paying for the fluid set up. So I started looking online at the link that Belinda (I think) provided and found a really great priced company called Direct Medical, Inc. I called Terrence Henry at 800-316-4993 and spoke to him. He was VERY nice and helped me with all my questions. He directed me to their website: http://www.dmi2.com/ and I clicked on online catalog and then CRF (chronic renal failure) customers and then CRF products and I was there. I ordered one Abbott lactated ringer bag for $2, an Abbott IV set/venal set for $2.99, a 100 ct. of needles (4 varieties of guages to choose from) for $7.50, and another lactated ringer/IV tubing set with 2 needles for $3.95 (it was cheaper to do this than order 2 bags and 2 IV sets). This totalled about $16.00, which I thought was great. Shipping was another $7, and handling another $7, so after all was said and done, I still spent $30, but I have a whole bunch of needles, 2 bags, and 2 IV sets for what I would have paid for 1 set. So I think I did ok. He said it should arrive in about 2 days via UPS ground. I did have to have my vet fax over an Rx to their 800 fax number, which was a pain because that's not my vet's usual procedure, and I am still waiting to hear if he will, but if not, I'm sure something will be worked out. Anyway, thanks to everyone for all your help with Stretch and I am feeling pretty confident about doing this. I hope she feels so much better after the first fluid. My nephew will probably freak out because he hates needles, but after he sees me do it, and sees the cat is ok, he'll be fine. Stretch was found outside playing with her sister when my nephew got off the bus yesterday, and hasn't been lying around like she was, and has been eating a little, so I know she is feeling better. Her breathing is still somewhat labored, but for now she is stable, thank goodness. Thanks again so much, :) Wendy __ Yahoo! DSL Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less. dsl.yahoo.com
RE: Sub-Q for Stretch
Wow, Wendy, you have done well! Good for you! Do you have someone who can show you one time how it's done? (You have to be sure to avoid the spine.) Or have you found online step-by-step pix? Kerry -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of wendy Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2006 12:33 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Sub-Q for Stretch Hi guys, Well, yesterday I ran into a problem trying to get sub-Q fluids for Stretch. The vet I originally took him to charges $30/35 for a set up, which I thought was crazy. So I called another vet, who said they'd have to talk to my vet since they hadn't seen my cat, which I didn't want in case it might tick off the vet, or they'd have to see my cat, which would mean another $30 office visit on top of paying for the fluid set up. So I started looking online at the link that Belinda (I think) provided and found a really great priced company called Direct Medical, Inc. I called Terrence Henry at 800-316-4993 and spoke to him. He was VERY nice and helped me with all my questions. He directed me to their website: http://www.dmi2.com/ and I clicked on online catalog and then CRF (chronic renal failure) customers and then CRF products and I was there. I ordered one Abbott lactated ringer bag for $2, an Abbott IV set/venal set for $2.99, a 100 ct. of needles (4 varieties of guages to choose from) for $7.50, and another lactated ringer/IV tubing set with 2 needles for $3.95 (it was cheaper to do this than order 2 bags and 2 IV sets). This totalled about $16.00, which I thought was great. Shipping was another $7, and handling another $7, so after all was said and done, I still spent $30, but I have a whole bunch of needles, 2 bags, and 2 IV sets for what I would have paid for 1 set. So I think I did ok. He said it should arrive in about 2 days via UPS ground. I did have to have my vet fax over an Rx to their 800 fax number, which was a pain because that's not my vet's usual procedure, and I am still waiting to hear if he will, but if not, I'm sure something will be worked out. Anyway, thanks to everyone for all your help with Stretch and I am feeling pretty confident about doing this. I hope she feels so much better after the first fluid. My nephew will probably freak out because he hates needles, but after he sees me do it, and sees the cat is ok, he'll be fine. Stretch was found outside playing with her sister when my nephew got off the bus yesterday, and hasn't been lying around like she was, and has been eating a little, so I know she is feeling better. Her breathing is still somewhat labored, but for now she is stable, thank goodness. Thanks again so much, :) Wendy __ Yahoo! DSL - Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less. dsl.yahoo.com hr IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed above as to tax matters was neither written nor intended by the sender or Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP to be used and cannot be used by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding tax penalties that may be imposed under U.S. tax law. If any person uses or refers to any such tax advice in promoting, marketing or recommending a partnership or other entity, investment plan or arrangement to any taxpayer, then (i) the advice was written to support the promotion or marketing (by a person other than Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP) of that transaction or matter, and (ii) such taxpayer should seek advice based on the taxpayers particular circumstances from an independent tax advisor hr This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
Re: Sub-Q for Stretch
Wendy first time I did the sub Q on my baby C I thought I would never live through it.lucky he didI think gloria walked me though it on line very late at night. now I can do them before my eyes are open in the morning...its so much less stressful for them to do it at home rather than drag them to the vet my thoughts will be with you. see our available orphans at:http://members.petfinder.org/~TX418/index.htmlKaren 817-453-4888
RE: Need your help with Stretch
I am attaching the websites which may help you with different tips of giving fluid they are very helpful site. http://www.felinecrf.org/quick_summary.htm http://www.weirdstuffwemake.com/weird/stuff/pets/cats/sophia/catjuice.html From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of catatonya Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2006 8:21 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Need your help with Stretch Hey Wendy, Your vet will show you how to do it and tell you how much to give and how often. One bag holds 1000 mL and typically you give 100-200 mL throughout the day so a a bag will last a while. It IS hard when you first start, but you build up your confidence as you go. Be prepared to stick yourself a few times too! t wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks Tonya. I think I will go that route if I don't see an improvement in eating/drinking very soon. It's a little scary though. I've never stuck a needle into another living being, unless you count getting splinters out, so I am a bit nervous about trying this. Do you give the cat the whole bag? And where and how do you stick the needle? Thanks, Wendy --- catatonya <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: Wendy, The fluid is already in the bags you buy. You don't fill them yourselves. I don't know what all is in them. I suppose electrolytes, fluids, maybe potassium? If you've got a decent vet a bag of fluid and the set up for sub q should be less than $10. t t wendy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: Hey Michelle, I can't imagine how you felt with them telling you to pay up front while you're holding your sick cat! That just sounds bad! I just started working a second job, so as soon as we get any money at all, then I will probably take Stretch in for the tests and if affordable, to get X-rays, and the fluid drained. Do X-rays show cancer tumors and/or fluid? Also, how often do you give the dex/depo shot (if it is lymphoma)? I could not really tell if the dex shot helped much. Stretch isn't breathing as heavily as she was, but her breathing is still somewhat labored. Also, where do you get the bags and needles to do sub-Q fluids? Is there anything else I need to do sub-Q? Do you just use water? Thanks, Wendy __ Yahoo! DSL Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less. dsl.yahoo.com __ Yahoo! DSL Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less. dsl.yahoo.com
RE: Need your help with Stretch
Also, this is a site where you can buy all the fluid supplies at much much cheaper prices than you will get from your vet. http://www.bricomedicalsupplies.com/ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hideyo Yamamoto Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2006 12:51 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: Need your help with Stretch I am attaching the websites which may help you with different tips of giving fluid they are very helpful site. http://www.felinecrf.org/quick_summary.htm http://www.weirdstuffwemake.com/weird/stuff/pets/cats/sophia/catjuice.html From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of catatonya Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2006 8:21 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Need your help with Stretch Hey Wendy, Your vet will show you how to do it and tell you how much to give and how often. One bag holds 1000 mL and typically you give 100-200 mL throughout the day so a a bag will last a while. It IS hard when you first start, but you build up your confidence as you go. Be prepared to stick yourself a few times too! t wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks Tonya. I think I will go that route if I don't see an improvement in eating/drinking very soon. It's a little scary though. I've never stuck a needle into another living being, unless you count getting splinters out, so I am a bit nervous about trying this. Do you give the cat the whole bag? And where and how do you stick the needle? Thanks, Wendy --- catatonya <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: Wendy, The fluid is already in the bags you buy. You don't fill them yourselves. I don't know what all is in them. I suppose electrolytes, fluids, maybe potassium? If you've got a decent vet a bag of fluid and the set up for sub q should be less than $10. t t wendy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: Hey Michelle, I can't imagine how you felt with them telling you to pay up front while you're holding your sick cat! That just sounds bad! I just started working a second job, so as soon as we get any money at all, then I will probably take Stretch in for the tests and if affordable, to get X-rays, and the fluid drained. Do X-rays show cancer tumors and/or fluid? Also, how often do you give the dex/depo shot (if it is lymphoma)? I could not really tell if the dex shot helped much. Stretch isn't breathing as heavily as she was, but her breathing is still somewhat labored. Also, where do you get the bags and needles to do sub-Q fluids? Is there anything else I need to do sub-Q? Do you just use water? Thanks, Wendy __ Yahoo! DSL Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less. dsl.yahoo.com __ Yahoo! DSL Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less. dsl.yahoo.com
OT ear mite treatment
Hi, I need to treat my kitten and kitties with ear mites and have a medicine called Ararrex (with IVIC something ) has anyone experience any side effects in kittens?
RE: Need your help with Stretch
Great info. Hideyo; thanks for the sites! I especially like the pictures. --- Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am attaching the websites which may help you with different tips of giving fluid - they are very helpful site. http://www.felinecrf.org/quick_summary.htm http://www.weirdstuffwemake.com/weird/stuff/pets/cats/sophia/catjuice.ht ml _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of catatonya Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2006 8:21 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Need your help with Stretch Hey Wendy, Your vet will show you how to do it and tell you how much to give and how often. One bag holds 1000 mL and typically you give 100-200 mL throughout the day so a a bag will last a while. It IS hard when you first start, but you build up your confidence as you go. Be prepared to stick yourself a few times too! t wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks Tonya. I think I will go that route if I don't see an improvement in eating/drinking very soon. It's a little scary though. I've never stuck a needle into another living being, unless you count getting splinters out, so I am a bit nervous about trying this. Do you give the cat the whole bag? And where and how do you stick the needle? Thanks, Wendy --- catatonya wrote: Wendy, The fluid is already in the bags you buy. You don't fill them yourselves. I don't know what all is in them. I suppose electrolytes, fluids, maybe potassium? If you've got a decent vet a bag of fluid and the set up for sub q should be less than $10. t t wendy wrote: Hey Michelle, I can't imagine how you felt with them telling you to pay up front while you're holding your sick cat! That just sounds bad! I just started working a second job, so as soon as we get any money at all, then I will probably take Stretch in for the tests and if affordable, to get X-rays, and the fluid drained. Do X-rays show cancer tumors and/or fluid? Also, how often do you give the dex/depo shot (if it is lymphoma)? I could not really tell if the dex shot helped much. Stretch isn't breathing as heavily as she was, but her breathing is still somewhat labored. Also, where do you get the bags and needles to do sub-Q fluids? Is there anything else I need to do sub-Q? Do you just use water? Thanks, Wendy __ Yahoo! DSL - Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less. dsl.yahoo.com __ Yahoo! DSL - Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less. dsl.yahoo.com __ Yahoo! DSL Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less. dsl.yahoo.com
RE: Need your help with Stretch
You are welcome - I was introduced them by CRF support group on line - they have so many people on the list who knows EVERYTHING about giving fluid and it's amazing and I learned so much from them, too! Good luck! And let me know if there is anything I can do to help! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of wendy Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2006 2:01 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: Need your help with Stretch Great info. Hideyo; thanks for the sites! I especially like the pictures. --- Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am attaching the websites which may help you with different tips of giving fluid - they are very helpful site. http://www.felinecrf.org/quick_summary.htm http://www.weirdstuffwemake.com/weird/stuff/pets/cats/sophia/catjuice.ht ml _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of catatonya Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2006 8:21 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Need your help with Stretch Hey Wendy, Your vet will show you how to do it and tell you how much to give and how often. One bag holds 1000 mL and typically you give 100-200 mL throughout the day so a a bag will last a while. It IS hard when you first start, but you build up your confidence as you go. Be prepared to stick yourself a few times too! t wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks Tonya. I think I will go that route if I don't see an improvement in eating/drinking very soon. It's a little scary though. I've never stuck a needle into another living being, unless you count getting splinters out, so I am a bit nervous about trying this. Do you give the cat the whole bag? And where and how do you stick the needle? Thanks, Wendy --- catatonya wrote: Wendy, The fluid is already in the bags you buy. You don't fill them yourselves. I don't know what all is in them. I suppose electrolytes, fluids, maybe potassium? If you've got a decent vet a bag of fluid and the set up for sub q should be less than $10. t t wendy wrote: Hey Michelle, I can't imagine how you felt with them telling you to pay up front while you're holding your sick cat! That just sounds bad! I just started working a second job, so as soon as we get any money at all, then I will probably take Stretch in for the tests and if affordable, to get X-rays, and the fluid drained. Do X-rays show cancer tumors and/or fluid? Also, how often do you give the dex/depo shot (if it is lymphoma)? I could not really tell if the dex shot helped much. Stretch isn't breathing as heavily as she was, but her breathing is still somewhat labored. Also, where do you get the bags and needles to do sub-Q fluids? Is there anything else I need to do sub-Q? Do you just use water? Thanks, Wendy __ Yahoo! DSL - Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less. dsl.yahoo.com __ Yahoo! DSL - Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less. dsl.yahoo.com __ Yahoo! DSL - Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less. dsl.yahoo.com
Re: OT ear mite treatment
Hideyo, It's probably is Ivermectin - I have no experience with this and kittens. If you're unsure, you can always just use mineral oil or olive oil. Squirt a dropperful into each ear (in as far as possible, and then hold the ear flap over the ear canal for a bit before they shake it out again). The oil drowns the mites (and helps loosen up the black gunk so you can clean them easier too). Kat (Mew Jersey) On Thu, 5 Jan 2006, Hideyo Yamamoto wrote: Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 12:56:44 -0700 From: Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: OT ear mite treatment Hi, I need to treat my kitten and kitties with ear mites and have a medicine called Ararrex (with IVIC... something ) - has anyone experience any side effects in kittens?
Update on my cat and moving
I wanted to thank all those who have helped me with info and encouragement. I need to follow up to make the exact moving arrangement, but it looks like a generous shelter in IL is going to be able to accomadate Marilyn. On the down side the follow up IFA test came back positive. I knew the chances were slim to none of her somehow not having it, but after being told how doomed she was and then having her live her for almost 3yrs without any sign of sickness I had to wonder. I have mixed feelings now. I am grateful someone is willing to take her, but a bit sad she won't have the relative luxury so far. All I can hope is that it is relatively comfortable and maybe she will benefit from cat companionship I was unable to provide. As it is sometimes I wonder if she is happy being converted to a trapped indoor cat, but I had to do something about all the doomed litters she was contributing to the neighborhood. Since I have heard a lot about stress being bad for FeLV+ I also am concered about this upheaval causing something to come on. It would really be disappointing for her to be healthy all this time and then suddenly become ill while I am gone. But I have come to realize while a lot of things didn't work in her favor hopefully however this turns out whatever I did made things better if far from ideal. I only hope everything works out for myself as well as for Marilyn over the next year or so. Thank You, Kevin __ Yahoo! DSL Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less. dsl.yahoo.com
RE: Sub-Q for Stretch
Wendy, if for some reason, your vet won't do it, just let me know - I can probably order for you on line (I use a different company, but I have a prescription there already, too) and have it shipped to you so that you can get a whole case of fluid which should last for a long time... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of wendy Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2006 11:33 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Sub-Q for Stretch Hi guys, Well, yesterday I ran into a problem trying to get sub-Q fluids for Stretch. The vet I originally took him to charges $30/35 for a set up, which I thought was crazy. So I called another vet, who said they'd have to talk to my vet since they hadn't seen my cat, which I didn't want in case it might tick off the vet, or they'd have to see my cat, which would mean another $30 office visit on top of paying for the fluid set up. So I started looking online at the link that Belinda (I think) provided and found a really great priced company called Direct Medical, Inc. I called Terrence Henry at 800-316-4993 and spoke to him. He was VERY nice and helped me with all my questions. He directed me to their website: http://www.dmi2.com/ and I clicked on online catalog and then CRF (chronic renal failure) customers and then CRF products and I was there. I ordered one Abbott lactated ringer bag for $2, an Abbott IV set/venal set for $2.99, a 100 ct. of needles (4 varieties of guages to choose from) for $7.50, and another lactated ringer/IV tubing set with 2 needles for $3.95 (it was cheaper to do this than order 2 bags and 2 IV sets). This totalled about $16.00, which I thought was great. Shipping was another $7, and handling another $7, so after all was said and done, I still spent $30, but I have a whole bunch of needles, 2 bags, and 2 IV sets for what I would have paid for 1 set. So I think I did ok. He said it should arrive in about 2 days via UPS ground. I did have to have my vet fax over an Rx to their 800 fax number, which was a pain because that's not my vet's usual procedure, and I am still waiting to hear if he will, but if not, I'm sure something will be worked out. Anyway, thanks to everyone for all your help with Stretch and I am feeling pretty confident about doing this. I hope she feels so much better after the first fluid. My nephew will probably freak out because he hates needles, but after he sees me do it, and sees the cat is ok, he'll be fine. Stretch was found outside playing with her sister when my nephew got off the bus yesterday, and hasn't been lying around like she was, and has been eating a little, so I know she is feeling better. Her breathing is still somewhat labored, but for now she is stable, thank goodness. Thanks again so much, :) Wendy __ Yahoo! DSL - Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less. dsl.yahoo.com
Re: cost of epogen/transfusion?
Michelle, Thanks for the info. I was basically wondering if a transfusion would help Fu. The vet is leaning toward thinking that his cancer, although in remission could be causing the anemia. Fu did start to come out of remission earlier last year, but we doubled the dose of pred and that put him into remission. The vet referred to this as anemia caused by chronic disease. Bonnie www.elephants.com - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thursday, January 5, 2006 8:07 pm Subject: Re: cost of epogen/transfusion? To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org If you are wondering about cost for a blood transfusion (I answered only about Epogen before), Simon's were each about $400, I think, when given to him as an outpatient. Each transfusion took a few hours. I think I remember others saying this was the cost they paid as well, except for someone in NY who had trouble finding one for under $1,000, which seemed very odd to the rest of us. Michelle
Re: cost of epogen/transfusion?
Fu is pretty wiped out, Michelle. He can barely move, but I think the folic acid has helped a little. When he looks like he had to go to the little box, I carry him there and support him while goes - or tries to go. I'm hand-feeding him a/d with Fancy Feast beef liver mixed in. I've got some beef liver on hand that I'll cook up for him later. Bonnie www.elephants.com - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thursday, January 5, 2006 5:45 pm Subject: Re: cost of epogen/transfusion? To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org In my experience vets would not transfuse until the hematocrit was down to 13. But a transfusion could help. Epogen normally takes a few weeks to kick in, I think, so you might need to do a transfusion to keep him strong until then. Epogen is definitely expensive. If his cancer is in remission, it does not make sense to me that the anemia is from the cancer. If it is from the cancer, it means the cancer is in his bone marrow and not in remission. How is Fu feeling? Michelle In a message dated 1/5/2006 6:19:09 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: How much does Epogen cost? My vet called one pharmacy; they told him they have to order it in units of ten, which would come to $350. I wonder if Fu could use a blood transfusion. His rbc is 15. The vet thinks the anemia is probably due to his GI tract cancer, although thatis pretty much in remission at present. Fu also takes methimazole for a hyperthyroid condition, And I've heard tat long term use of that couldcause anemia. Thanks, Bonnie and her 19 year-old Foozer
Re: cost of epogen/transfusion?
That's what I thought too; I'll ask the vet to clarify. If his cancer is in remission, it does not make sense to me that the anemia is from the cancer. If it is from the cancer, it means the cancer is in his bone marrow and not in remission. How is Fu feeling? Michelle In a message dated 1/5/2006 6:19:09 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: How much does Epogen cost? My vet called one pharmacy; they told him they have to order it in units of ten, which would come to $350. I wonder if Fu could use a blood transfusion. His rbc is 15. The vet thinks the anemia is probably due to his GI tract cancer, although thatis pretty much in remission at present. Fu also takes methimazole for a hyperthyroid condition, And I've heard tat long term use of that couldcause anemia. Thanks, Bonnie and her 19 year-old Foozer
Re: Please wish Patches good luck! and Lucy too!
I hope Patches comes through this all with flying colors. And I'm sure she will. Good luck with Lucy and the homemade diet. IBD is such a b*tch to put it bluntly. It's hard to figure out the causes, and stress causes it the most with my little guy who suffers from it periodically. I empathize about finding the right vet. It is soo hard to find one you like, and then you move, or they move, or something will happen it seems, and you have to start all over. We are so much at their mercy. It's not an easy task to find a good one.Take care, and prayers send your way for all of you.t[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was already fretting about Patches because she has been having a little trouble eating and the gums above her two broken canines are really swollen, so I made an appointment with a dentist for her tomorrow and was pretty sure he was going to say they have to come out. She is FeLV+ and at least 5 years old, so surgery freaks me out. But today she was running around the house meowing and sqatting and peeing little drops of bloody urine, so I scooped her up and took her to the vet. She has crystals again, they think (second time) and was given antibiotics and pain killer. They also did an FeLV test to confirm her status, and guess what-- yes, she has FeLV, but she also has FIV. I had not known this. AND he could not get blood from her because she had such a stress reaction to him trying that she started panting and almost collapsed. I have never had blood drawn from her before. He insisted the only way to get the blood (necessary for pre-surgery workup anyway, but I wanted to see if anything else is going on with her) was to give her isoflourine gas (i.e. anesthesia) for 5 minutes and get the blood that way. This was a new vet to me, and I never heard of such a thing, and did not want to do it. Gray convinced me to do it because she needs blood drawn, is going to have to get anesthesia to get the teeth out anyway next week, and she had been so stressed by the attempt to get blood from her that he thought such stress could do as much damage as the 5 minutes of gas. So I did it, and she was ok, but I was really upset about it. This is already the 2nd vet office I am trying in the area since moving her in August. I thought I would like them because they carry Purevax vaccines, unlike most places, and because the vet I saw there when I took Quincy for his Purevax FeLV vaccine was really great. But this was the other vet there.And of course vet started quoting the statistic to me that 80% of cats with FeLV die within 3 years of contracting it, and my remaining three have all had it at least 4 years or so and probably longer, so although I know these stats are skewed from so many positives being euthanized on testing positive, I started feeling really depressed about their prospects for having much more time.ANYWAY, having had anesthesia gas and some painkiller and dex, Patches is quite calm and happy now and basking in the sun on the bed, but I probably need anti-anxiety meds now. Please say a prayer for her to get through all of this, the urinary tract problems and the dental surgery, without problems. Also please pray for Lucy, who seems to have IBD now and is on steroids (she is also FeLV+). I am going to start making home-made diets for them to see if that helps. I want to try raw but am worried because some people say that immune-compromised cats can have problems with the increased bacteria load in raw, so I think I may try a lightly cooked version of a raw diet.Michelle
Re: cost of epogen/transfusion?
Bonnie~ Have your vet set up an account with PVPL (Professional Veterinary Products, Ltd.). It is a veterinary supplier, like a co-op, and they are offering a 30 day trial period. When I did all the ordering for the shelter, our main supplier was PVPL, and I ordered our Epogen (epoetin, procrit) from them all the time, as needed. (It's been 2 years since I did the ordering, at that time, a single vial was approx. $40.00) I was able to order a single vial at a time If your vet will not do that, perhaps you can check w/ any local shelters/sanctuaries, and perhaps they can order it for you.. Didn't Belinda just order from Fred Mayer? Would that be a possibility? Best wishes, Patti
Re: cost of epogen/transfusion?
Bonnie~ It sounds like maybe a transfusion would be beneficial for Fu right now With my feral girl who was on Epogen (she was dx.w/ CRF _ I basically took her home for hospice care cause no one at the shelter could touch her), after I found a vet willing to treat a terminally ill "feral", we gave her a transfusion first step. It's been so many years, I don't recall what her bloodwork was, but the vet felt if she responded to steroid shots transfusion, we'd proceed w/ Epogen. And, miraculously she did respond... Very well. We then did the Epogen and my Beauty lived an additional 9 months after I took her home... Transfusions can really make a BIG difference. Keeping Fu and you in my prayers, Patti
How to pill a Cat
Borrowed from COTH board -- How to give a cat a pill... 1. Pick up cat and cradle it in the crook of your left arm as if holding a baby. Position right forefinger and thumb on either side of cat's mouth and gently apply pressure to cheeks while holding pill in right hand. As cat opens mouth, pop pill into mouth. Allow cat to close mouth and swallow. 2. Retrieve pill from floor and cat from behind sofa. Cradle cat in left arm and repeat process. 3. Retrieve cat from bedroom, and throw soggy pill away. 4. Take new pill from foil wrap, cradle cat in left arm, holding rear paws tightly with left hand. Force jaws open and push pill to back of mouth with right forefinger. Hold mouth shut for a count of ten. 5. Retrieve pill from goldfish bowl and cat from top of wardrobe. Call spouse from garden. 6. Kneel on floor with cat wedged firmly between knees, hold front and rear paws. Ignore low growls emitted by cat. Get spouse to hold head firmly with one hand while forcing wooden ruler into mouth. Drop pill down ruler and rub cat's throat vigorously. 7. Retrieve cat from curtain rail, get another pill from foil wrap. Make note to buy new ruler and repair curtains. Carefully sweep shattered figurines and vases from hearth and set to one side for gluing later. 8. Wrap cat in large towel and get spouse to lie on cat with head just visible from below armpit. Put pill in end of drinking straw, force mouth open with pencil and blow down drinking straw. 9. Check label to make sure pill not harmful to humans, drink 1 beer to take taste away. Apply Band-Aid to spouse's forearm and remove blood from carpet with cold water and soap. 10. Retrieve cat from neighbor's shed. Get another pill. Open another beer. Place cat in cupboard, and close door on to neck, to leave head showing. Force mouth open with dessert spoon. Flick pill down throat with elastic band. 11. Fetch screwdriver from garage and put cupboard door back on hinges. Drink beer. Fetch bottle of scotch. Pour shot, drink. Apply cold compress to cheek and check records for date of last tetanus shot. Apply whiskey compress to cheek to disinfect. Toss back another shot. Throw Tee shirt away and fetch new one from bedroom. 12. Call fire department to retrieve the damn cat from across the road. Apologize to neighbor who crashed into fence while swerving to avoid cat. Take last pill from foil wrap. 13. Tie the little bastard's front paws to rear paws with garden twine and bind tightly to leg of dining table, find heavy-duty pruning gloves from shed. Push pill into mouth followed by large piece of filet steak. Be rough about it. Hold head vertically and pour 2 pints of water down throat to wash pill down. 14. Consume remainder of scotch. Get spouse to drive you to the emergency room, sit quietly while doctor stitches fingers and forearm and removes pill remnants from right eye. Call furniture shop on way home to order new table. 15. Arrange for SPCA to collect mutant cat from hell and call local pet shop to see if they have any hamsters. HOW TO GIVE A DOG A PILL 1. Wrap it in bacon. 2. Toss it in the air
Re: OT ear mite treatment
Hideyo~ Acarexx can be used on kittens as young as 4 weeks. We have used on kittens before, but they've always been 8 weeks or older. Patti
