Re: Pekoe's Latest Tabbs Spain
Hi Marlene, My name is Sandra, and I am treating my boy Tabbs on Virbagen Omega Interferon the firstbatch cost me 405 euros, but it hasgone up, and the second cost me 500 euros, so that hurts, but I have not hand any side affects, Tabbs has been on it for over 4 weeks now, the first batch which was 5 vials of 10mu, and we treated him every other day injections only, so the batch only gave me ten injections, as we where giving him 1/2 a bottle every other day. The new batch we are giving every day, one day by mouth and one day injection. as my vet is unsure if giving it by mouth is correct. would be very interested to hear if giving by mouth with the Virbagen Omega Interferon is OK, as I hate doing the injections I am waiting blood test today to see how heis doing, and also awaiting to acquire the epogen, whichcausing problems on getting, I ordered it over ten days ago and am waiting for the hospital to ring me, when it arrives, but wonder if they are giving me the run around. Good luck and hope things improve for you both I would be grateful if every one could comment on the dosing of Virbagen Omega Interferon by mouth, I know the human interferon is given by mouth. [EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED]I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users.It has removed 1157 spam emails to date.Paying users do not have this message in their emails.Try SPAMfighter for free now!
Fw: Pekoe's Latest Tabbs Spain
- From: Sandra To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, March 10, 2006 9:46 AM Subject: Re: Pekoe's Latest Tabbs Spain Hi Marlene, My name is Sandra, and I am treating my boy Tabbs on Virbagen Omega Interferon the firstbatch cost me 405 euros, but it hasgone up, and the second cost me 500 euros, so that hurts, but I have not hand any side affects, Tabbs has been on it for over 4 weeks now, the first batch which was 5 vials of 10mu, and we treated him every other day injections only, so the batch only gave me ten injections, as we where giving him 1/2 a bottle every other day. The new batch we are giving every day, one day by mouth and one day injection. as my vet is unsure if giving it by mouth is correct. would be very interested to hear if giving by mouth with the Virbagen Omega Interferon is OK, as I hate doing the injections I am waiting blood test today to see how heis doing, and also awaiting to acquire the epogen, whichcausing problems on getting, I ordered it over ten days ago and am waiting for the hospital to ring me, when it arrives, but wonder if they are giving me the run around. Good luck and hope things improve for you both I would be grateful if every one could comment on the dosing of Virbagen Omega Interferon by mouth, I know the human interferon is given by mouth. [EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users.It has removed 1157 spam emails to date.Paying users do not have this message in their emails.Try SPAMfighter for free now!
Fw: Belinda Bailey Tabbs and Sandra
If you have are ready had this e mail sorry, but my computer is playing up and I am finding some of my replies in the delete box To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2006 6:55 PM Subject: Belinda Bailey Tabbs and Sandra Dear Belinda Thanks for thinking of us, I am still trying to get it, may be Thursday, I now have it on order but will only believe it when I have got it, Spain is notorious for sending you round in circles and making you dance to there tune, but heres hoping. But we have just done another blood test today, and I am hoping for a improvement on his readings, He is still eating and holding his own, I am so afraid to get my hopes up, but he is not getting any worst dare I say. and ,I am hoping that the Interferon is working, the second batch cost me 500 euros, so I am hoping that when I have to order a 3rd batch that I will be able to cut down the amount of dosing that he is on. Which is every day at 0.25 my vet is has suggested inject every other day and by mouth each day in between, because we are unsure if the Interferon omega works the same as the one that you use, comments please. I have managed to get the L-lysine from the Uk that arrived yesterday, Keep your fingers crossed for me and Tabbs that just may be we are making some head way, I will let you know what the blood test come out at. I Have prayed for you and Bailey and oh so hope that things take a change for the better. thinking of you both, take care Kindest regards Sandra [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.cat-sculptures.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. It has removed 1148 spam emails to date. Paying users do not have this message in their emails. Try www.SPAMfighter.com for free now! -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. It has removed 1157 spam emails to date. Paying users do not have this message in their emails. Try www.SPAMfighter.com for free now!
Fw: Pekoe's Latest Tabbs Spain
[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED]www.cat-sculptures.com[EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Sandra To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, March 10, 2006 9:54 AM Subject: Fw: Pekoe's Latest Tabbs Spain - From: Sandra To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, March 10, 2006 9:46 AM Subject: Re: Pekoe's Latest Tabbs Spain Hi Marlene, My name is Sandra, and I am treating my boy Tabbs on Virbagen Omega Interferon the firstbatch cost me 405 euros, but it hasgone up, and the second cost me 500 euros, so that hurts, but I have not hand any side affects, Tabbs has been on it for over 4 weeks now, the first batch which was 5 vials of 10mu, and we treated him every other day injections only, so the batch only gave me ten injections, as we where giving him 1/2 a bottle every other day. The new batch we are giving every day, one day by mouth and one day injection. as my vet is unsure if giving it by mouth is correct. would be very interested to hear if giving by mouth with the Virbagen Omega Interferon is OK, as I hate doing the injections I am waiting blood test today to see how heis doing, and also awaiting to acquire the epogen, whichcausing problems on getting, I ordered it over ten days ago and am waiting for the hospital to ring me, when it arrives, but wonder if they are giving me the run around. Good luck and hope things improve for you both I would be grateful if every one could comment on the dosing of Virbagen Omega Interferon by mouth, I know the human interferon is given by mouth. [EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users.It has removed 1157 spam emails to date.Paying users do not have this message in their emails.Try SPAMfighter for free now!
Fw: Belinda Bailey Tabbs and Sandra
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2006 6:55 PM Subject: Belinda Bailey Tabbs and Sandra Dear Belinda Thanks for thinking of us, I am still trying to get it, may be Thursday, I now have it on order but will only believe it when I have got it, Spain is notorious for sending you round in circles and making you dance to there tune, but heres hoping. But we have just done another blood test today, and I am hoping for a improvement on his readings, He is still eating and holding his own, I am so afraid to get my hopes up, but he is not getting any worst dare I say. and ,I am hoping that the Interferon is working, the second batch cost me 500 euros, so I am hoping that when I have to order a 3rd batch that I will be able to cut down the amount of dosing that he is on. Which is every day at 0.25 my vet is has suggested inject every other day and by mouth each day in between, because we are unsure if the Interferon omega works the same as the one that you use, comments please. I have managed to get the L-lysine from the Uk that arrived yesterday, Keep your fingers crossed for me and Tabbs that just may be we are making some head way, I will let you know what the blood test come out at. I Have prayed for you and Bailey and oh so hope that things take a change for the better. thinking of you both, take care Kindest regards Sandra [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.cat-sculptures.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. It has removed 1148 spam emails to date. Paying users do not have this message in their emails. Try www.SPAMfighter.com for free now! -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. It has removed 1157 spam emails to date. Paying users do not have this message in their emails. Try www.SPAMfighter.com for free now!
Fw: Angel Buster
From: Sandra To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2006 7:04 PM Subject: Re: Angel Buster so so sorry, my heart breaks for you. but you where there for him which is all that they want. Sandra Tabbs thinking of you both [EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED]www.cat-sculptures.com[EMAIL PROTECTED] I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users.It has removed 1148 spam emails to date.Paying users do not have this message in their emails.Try SPAMfighter for free now!
Fw: IMPORTANT - CLS Service Furkids
If you have are ready had this e mail sorry, but my computer is playing up and I am finding some of my replies in the delete box - Original Message - From: Sandra [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, March 04, 2006 10:03 AM Subject: Re: IMPORTANT - CLS Service Furkids Good luck Belinda , thank you for the news on Bailey, thinking of youboth, love from Tabbs and Sandra, I am collecting the epogen today from the hospital chemist, so wish us luck with the treatment, I am still unsure if I am doing the correct thing, but know I will regret it, if Tabbs gets worst, One can not win. [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.cat-sculptures.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. It has removed 1126 spam emails to date. Paying users do not have this message in their emails. Try www.SPAMfighter.com for free now! -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. It has removed 1157 spam emails to date. Paying users do not have this message in their emails. Try www.SPAMfighter.com for free now!
god news Tabbs Spain
A little bit of good news today, Tabbs HCT has gone up from 11 to 14.3, and every thing else on his readings are good except his liver, So will have to look into this, but unhappy about more drugs. any comments welcome on the treatment that he is on at the moment, I am still trying to get the epogen. below is the note from my vet. Hello Sandra: I am so happy to tell you that Tabs ht is 14%!!! Last time was 11 % and a non regenerative anemia. Now is a little regenerative. So, now I suggest to follow in this way: -Dacortin 5mg: 1 tablet / day -Interferon omega: 1/4 bottle every day.(2.5 UI) -Vitamins and rest of the medication: the same like before, also stomorgyl [EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED]I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users.It has removed 1157 spam emails to date.Paying users do not have this message in their emails.Try SPAMfighter for free now!
Sandra - Virbagen Omega Dosage
Hi Sandra, The only information I have regarding the dosage to give is what my vet was able to find out from the Virbagen Omega website: Cats: The reconstituted product should be injected subcutaneously once daily for 5 consecutive days. The dose is 1 MU/kg bodyweight. Three separate 5-day treatments must be performed at Day 0, Day 14 and Day 60. I haven't heard/read anywhere about giving it orally. I'm pretty sure there are a couple of list members in the U.S. who have used it and perhaps they will tell you what dose they used. Marlene Pekoe Angel Digby
Stinky update
Stinky made it through the night. I called this morning and she was standing up in the cage. Hopefully she will be able to come home today. The only thing I found out about the surgery was that her small intestine looked o.k. Her large intestine had some purple spots on it. I don't know what that means. The lympnode looked like it was a little enlarged. That worries me. It will probably be next week before I know anything. Thank all of you for your advice and prayers. Cindy __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: Sandra - Virbagen Omega Dosage
Hi Sandra, I do confirm the dosage given by Marlene's vet: 1 MU/kg is the same dose that we used here in Italy (where Virbagen Omega is commonly found at any vet pharmacy), with the difference that we did not need to repeat the treatment at day 14 and 60 because Micia did great immediately (literally thrived) right after the first cycle. Paolo
Re: Stinky update
Good morning Cindy, I am so happy Stinky made it through the surgery and is standing up and ready to come home with you! How wonderful! I've never heard of spots on the large intestine. Hopefully, it's a common occurance or nothing too serious. I hope you and Stinky have a wonderful, restful weekend and she gets spoiled rotten! :) Wendy __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: god news Tabbs Spain
Fantastic Sandra! Give Tabbs a cuddle for me and tell him I said way to go! :) Wendy --- Sandra [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A little bit of good news today, Tabbs HCT has gone up from 11 to 14.3, and every thing else on his readings are good except his liver, So will have to look into this, but unhappy about more drugs. any comments welcome on the treatment that he is on at the moment, I am still trying to get the epogen. below is the note from my vet. Hello Sandra: I am so happy to tell you that Tabs ht is 14%!!! Last time was 11 % and a non regenerative anemia. Now is a little regenerative. So, now I suggest to follow in this way: -Dacortin 5mg: 1 tablet / day -Interferon omega: 1/4 bottle every day.(2.5 UI) -Vitamins and rest of the medication: the same like before, also stomorgyl [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. It has removed 1157 spam emails to date. Paying users do not have this message in their emails. Try www.SPAMfighter.com for free now! __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Subject: Stinky update
Fingers Paws crossed her too for Stinky here on my end. Carla Message: 9 Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2006 13:40:32 -0800 (PST) From: cindy reasoner [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Stinky update To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 I called the vet and Stinky made it through the surgery and she is awake. They took biopsies of small intestine, large intestine and lympnode to send off. So it will probably be a week before I know anything. They are giving her fluids through an IV. Hopefully she will do O.K. tonight. Cindy
Re: god news Tabbs Spain
That is so great. What have you been giving Tabbs so far? Anemia is so hard to reverse, that I save information on the medication regimen of every cat whose hematocrit actually goes up. Michelle In a message dated 3/10/2006 4:46:15 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: A little bit of good news today, Tabbs HCT has gone up from 11 to 14.3, and every thing else on his readings are good except his liver, So will have to look into this, but unhappy about more drugs. any comments welcome on the treatment that he is on at the moment, I am still trying to get the epogen. below is the note from my vet.
Re: Lucy is bored
I know what ya mean...Sleepypants hasn't quite been himself since his brother, Ewok, died! He's beginning to come around, but for several weeks I seriously thought he was hiding out waiting for death to take him! I distracted him by taking him outside on his harness to have a look around...he loves being outside, and I would joke with him when we came back inside, See? There are things worth living for! ;) I think, just like us, they need to work through their grief and sudden change...Sleepypants is beginning to fall back into his old routine and I can see it in his eyes that he is okay...I guess he's decided that being here with us and without his brothers isn't such a bad deal afterall... ;) You guys are such wonderful cat-parents! I'm sure Lucy will be okay...she obviously has no problem letting you guys know what she needs! :) I'm sure a little extra play-time is a much needed distraction for her...even if it is at 2 o'clock in the morning! Jen But if you tame me, then we shall need each other. To me, you will be unique in all the world. To you, I shall be unique in all the world; You become responsible, forever, for what you have tamed... --Antoine de Saint-Exupéry If you talk to the animals they will talk with you and you will know each other. If you do not talk to them you will not know them, and what you do not know you will fear. What one fears one destroys. --Chief Dan George - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thursday, March 9, 2006 8:27 pm Subject: Lucy is bored To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Lucy has been going nuts with boredom since Ginger died, and I am not sure what to do for her. This happened when Ginger was with my mom for a month too. Although Lucy always acted like she did not like Ginger, Ginger definitely kept her occupied and entertained. When Ginger was at my mom's, Lucy figured out how to get out of the cat fence-in, after 2 years of never even trying to, and got out of the yard constantly (at our old house). Here, since Ginger died, she runs around trying to play with things (but unable to entertain herself as well as Ginger did) and meowing-- last night she meowed and meowed until I got out of bed and went and played with her, and when I tried to go back to bed she did it again. Gray finally went in the other room and slept there to be near her (our negative, Quincy, lives in our bedroom so she can't come in). We have cat trees, catnip, etc. We both work, though we are each home a couple days a week. But even when we are home she seems bored. Does anyone have any suggestions? Tonight I am here without Gray and am torn between Quincy, who was totally alone all day while I was at work, and Lucy, who is going nuts. I keep going back and forth between them, but want to go to bed. I worry about the stress of boredom on Lucy, as she is positive. Lucy does have Patches, another positive, but does not seem at all satisfied with her company. The only time they interact is when they fight. I have feliway diffusers and spray and use both. Thanks for any suggestions, Michelle
Re: Lucy is bored
Jen, how is Sleepypants doing? Clinically and, also, did you get test results? Do you know what's going on with him, and what did you decide to do treatment-wise? I am so glad to hear he is feeling ok. Michelle In a message dated 3/10/2006 9:44:46 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I know what ya mean...Sleepypants hasn't quite been himself since hisbrother, Ewok, died! He's beginning to come around, but for severalweeks I seriously thought he was hiding out waiting for death to takehim! I distracted him by taking him outside on his harness to have alook around...he loves being outside, and I would joke with him when wecame back inside, "See? There are things worth living for!" ;)
Re: Pekoe's Latest
Marlene, I am not sure what all the numbers mean, going up or down and such, but you and Pekoe are still in my prayers. I did see that the reticulocytes went up, so this is a good thing since he is producing red blood cells. Please keep us posted on his progress. And have a wonderful and restful weekend! :) Wendy __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: Lucy is bored
OMG! Yes!! I'm so sorry, I thought I had cc-ed you in the email I wrote! I took SP to the specialist on Monday for an ultrasound...and she couldn't find a thing wrong with his chest cavity!!! His heart looked good and no suspicious masses...So we're going with feline asthma for now...I'm going to taper him off the pred and then just keep an eye on him! I seriously could've planted a big ol' kiss on the specialist when she couldn't find anything wrong with him! I told her I've never had good news when it came to the FeLV guys and she said, Well, we usually don't have much good news to give out! :) So it was a good morning all around! I'm so happy my boy is going to be around for a little while longer! I think he knows he's stuck with us, too...so he's just decided to make the best of it! :) Thanks, again, for all your help...I seriously don't know what I'd do without this wonderful group!! Jen But if you tame me, then we shall need each other. To me, you will be unique in all the world. To you, I shall be unique in all the world; You become responsible, forever, for what you have tamed... --Antoine de Saint-Exupéry If you talk to the animals they will talk with you and you will know each other. If you do not talk to them you will not know them, and what you do not know you will fear. What one fears one destroys. --Chief Dan George - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Friday, March 10, 2006 8:50 am Subject: Re: Lucy is bored To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Jen, how is Sleepypants doing? Clinically and, also, did you get test results? Do you know what's going on with him, and what did you decide to do treatment-wise? I am so glad to hear he is feeling ok. Michelle In a message dated 3/10/2006 9:44:46 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I know what ya mean...Sleepypants hasn't quite been himself since his brother, Ewok, died! He's beginning to come around, but for several weeks I seriously thought he was hiding out waiting for death to take him! I distracted him by taking him outside on his harness to have a look around...he loves being outside, and I would joke with him when we came back inside, See? There are things worth living for! ;)
To Michelle, Sheila, Kerry, Susan, Becca, Marissa Dawn
I just wanted to see how all of you are doing since you all have lost a furbaby so recently. Please be gentle with yourself. Treat yourself to something special this weekend, a pedicure, some chocolate, a good romance novel. Anything to pamper yourself. You all deserve the best the way you loved and cared for your furbabies! Have a great weekend! :) Wendy __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: Lucy is bored
Jen, That is the best news! Sorry if I missed an email somewhere-- I get so many emails that I often do. I am so glad to hear the news though, knock on wood! I always assume the worst with them too. Patches actually just started having some loose stool yesterday and today and I immediately fear intestinal lymphoma. But she had it in the past a few years ago and metronidazole took care of it, so I am trying that. But I understand assuming the worst. Much better to be happy when things turn out good then shocked when they don't, I guess. Michelle In a message dated 3/10/2006 10:00:51 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: OMG! Yes!! I'm so sorry, I thought I had cc-ed you in the email Iwrote! I took SP to the specialist on Monday for an ultrasound...andshe couldn't find a thing wrong with his chest cavity!!! His heartlooked good and no suspicious masses...So we're going with feline asthmafor now...I'm going to taper him off the pred and then just keep an eyeon him! I seriously could've planted a big ol' kiss on the specialistwhen she couldn't find anything wrong with him! I told her I've neverhad good news when it came to the FeLV guys and she said, "Well, weusually don't have much good news to give out!" :) So it was a goodmorning all around! I'm so happy my boy is going to be around for alittle while longer! I think he knows he's stuck with us, too...so he'sjust decided to make the best of it! :) Thanks, again, for all yourhelp...I seriously don't know what I'd do without this wonderful group!!Jen
Re: Lucy is bored
Michelle, I'm hoping to find a homeopathic that helps with Gypsy's "neediness", (she'll only eat while I'm petting her). I'll pass on suggestions when I get them. How old is Quincy? Has he had his shots? Is there any chance you might change your mind and start mixing them? I don't know what's more stressful to you, keeping them segregated under these circumstances, or the thought of mixing them. I'm guessing that mixing them would ease Lucy's frustrations. Unless you don't think that Quincy and the pos will get along? Everyone always told me not to allow my pos access to my back yard because of the fear of them contracting something from the ferals that pass through at night. I knew there was a danger, who knows, it may have even hastened their deaths, but I'll never be sorry that I gave them the fullest, happiest life while they were here that I could. It's at least one regret that I don't have. I'm sure I'd be singing a different tune if one of my negs came up pos because of mixing, but no one ever did. Hugs to you, I hear yours and Lucy's frustration, Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Lucy has been going nuts with boredom since Ginger died, and I am not sure what to do for her. This happened when Ginger was with my mom for a month too. Although Lucy always acted like she did not like Ginger, Ginger definitely kept her occupied and entertained. When Ginger was at my mom's, Lucy figured out how to get out of the cat fence-in, after 2 years of never even trying to, and got out of the yard constantly (at our old house). Here, since Ginger died, she runs around trying to play with things (but unable to entertain herself as well as Ginger did) and meowing-- last night she meowed and meowed until I got out of bed and went and played with her, and when I tried to go back to bed she did it again. Gray finally went in the other room and slept there to be near her (our negative, Quincy, lives in our bedroom so she can't come in). We have cat trees, catnip, etc. We both work, though we are each home a couple days a week. But even when we are home she seems bored. Does anyone have any suggestions? Tonight I am here without Gray and am torn between Quincy, who was totally alone all day while I was at work, and Lucy, who is going nuts. I keep going back and forth between them, but want to go to bed. I worry about the stress of boredom on Lucy, as she is positive. Lucy does have Patches, another positive, but does not seem at all satisfied with her company. The only time they interact is when they fight. I have feliway diffusers and spray and use both. Thanks for any suggestions, Michelle
Re: Pekoe's Latest Tabbs Spain
Sandra, The research and investigating that we did when I was using Interferon Omega indicated that it did not work orally. If you want to give it orally as well as subq, I would use the Interferon A for the oral administration. I too wanted to hear that giving the Omega would work orally, alas, I don't think it's the case. As far as I know there shouldn't be a problem with mixing the two interferons, but I don't have any verification of that. I would just give the injections for the protocol you and your vet have decided on and then follow them with the IA later, if you feel it is warranted. One other thing, the 7 days on, 7 days off for the human interferon, is used when you plan on keeping them on it indefinitely, (in the hopes that they won't build immunity to it, unlike the feline interferon that it is believed does not build immunities). I always gave my guys IA, whenever they're symptoms called for it, (upping the dose if it seemed called for), and then when they were asymptomatic again, I'd stop. I'm pulling for you and your boy Tabbs, Nina Sandra wrote: Hi Marlene, My name is Sandra, and I am treating my boy Tabbs on Virbagen Omega Interferon the first batch cost me 405 euros, but it has gone up, and the second cost me 500 euros, so that hurts, but I have not hand any side affects, Tabbs has been on it for over 4 weeks now, the first batch which was 5 vials of 10mu, and we treated him every other day injections only, so the batch only gave me ten injections, as we where giving him 1/2 a bottle every other day. The new batch we are giving every day, one day by mouth and one day injection. as my vet is unsure if giving it by mouth is correct. would be very interested to hear if giving by mouth with the Virbagen Omega Interferon is OK, as I hate doing the injections I am waiting blood test today to see how he is doing, and also awaiting to acquire the epogen, which causing problems on getting, I ordered it over ten days ago and am waiting for the hospital to ring me, when it arrives, but wonder if they are giving me the run around. Good luck and hope things improve for you both I would be grateful if every one could comment on the dosing of Virbagen Omega Interferon by mouth, I know the human interferon is given by mouth.
Re: Sandra - Virbagen Omega Dosage
Many thanks for your reply, I don't want to waste the interferon by giving it by mouth as it is so costly. thank you [EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED]www.cat-sculptures.com[EMAIL PROTECTED]I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users.It has removed 1158 spam emails to date.Paying users do not have this message in their emails.Try SPAMfighter for free now!
Re: god news Tabbs Spain
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Re: Sandra - Virbagen Omega Dosage
Many thanks for your reply and information, I dearly hope that with this batch of Virbagen Omega that I am hoping for a break in having to give him it so frequently, I will pass all the comments on to my vet, so as we can have a rethink on his dosing. Thank you Sandra and Tabbs [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. It has removed 1158 spam emails to date. Paying users do not have this message in their emails. Try www.SPAMfighter.com for free now!
Re: Sandra - Virbagen Omega Dosage
Paolo, Did you ever look into giving it orally? I just wrote to Sandra about my findings indicating that it doesn't work that way. Sandra and Marlene, My experience with Grace and Jazz on IO, was that I would see significant improvement after the first three days on it. The first time I gave it to them, it was once a day for 5 days (1MU/kg), then every other day for 7 doses (1MU per cat). The second protocol I used was 1MU a day for 5 days, wait 2-3 weeks, 1MU per cat, wait 2-3 weeks and then again 1MU per cat. After that I would give it to them for 5 days and only repeat it if they're symptoms returned. Is this making sense to you? Nina Paolo wrote: Hi Sandra, I do confirm the dosage given by Marlene's vet: 1 MU/kg is the same dose that we used here in Italy (where Virbagen Omega is commonly found at any vet pharmacy), with the difference that we did not need to repeat the treatment at day 14 and 60 because Micia did great immediately (literally thrived) right after the first cycle. Paolo
Re: Pekoe's Latest Tabbs Spain
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Re: Stinky update
Cindy, I'm so glad Stinky is seeming stronger today and I so hope she gets to come home today. Try not to worry too much about the enlarged lymph node, it could just be a sign of infection, or stress. I have no idea what purple spots on her large intestine indicates, perhaps some sort of irritation? Has she been having trouble with her bowels? I'm sending you both calming, healing energy. We're all pulling for you and your Stinky! Nina cindy reasoner wrote: Stinky made it through the night. I called this morning and she was standing up in the cage. Hopefully she will be able to come home today. The only thing I found out about the surgery was that her small intestine looked o.k. Her large intestine had some purple spots on it. I don't know what that means. The lympnode looked like it was a little enlarged. That worries me. It will probably be next week before I know anything. Thank all of you for your advice and prayers. Cindy __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: Lucy is bored
Wonderful news about SP! [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I know what ya mean...Sleepypants hasn't quite been himself since his brother, Ewok, died! He's beginning to come around, but for several weeks I seriously thought he was hiding out waiting for death to take him! I distracted him by taking him outside on his harness to have a look around...he loves being outside, and I would joke with him when we came back inside, "See? There are things worth living for!" ;) I think, just like us, they need to work through their grief and sudden change...Sleepypants is beginning to fall back into his old routine and I can see it in his eyes that he is okay...I guess he's decided that being here with us and without his brothers isn't such a bad deal afterall... ;) You guys are such wonderful "cat-parents!" I'm sure Lucy will be okay...she obviously has no problem letting you guys know what she needs! :) I'm sure a little extra play-time is a much needed distraction for her...even if it is at 2 o'clock in the morning! Jen "But if you tame me, then we shall need each other. To me, you will be unique in all the world. To you, I shall be unique in all the world; You become responsible, forever, for what you have tamed..." --Antoine de Saint-Exupry "If you talk to the animals they will talk with you and you will know each other. If you do not talk to them you will not know them, and what you do not know you will fear. What one fears one destroys." --Chief Dan George - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thursday, March 9, 2006 8:27 pm Subject: Lucy is bored To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Lucy has been going nuts with boredom since Ginger died, and I am not sure what to do for her. This happened when Ginger was with my mom for a month too. Although Lucy always acted like she did not like Ginger, Ginger definitely kept her occupied and entertained. When Ginger was at my mom's, Lucy figured out how to get out of the cat fence-in, after 2 years of never even trying to, and got out of the yard constantly (at our old house). Here, since Ginger died, she runs around trying to play with things (but unable to entertain herself as well as Ginger did) and meowing-- last night she meowed and meowed until I got out of bed and went and played with her, and when I tried to go back to bed she did it again. Gray finally went in the other room and slept there to be near her (our negative, Quincy, lives in our bedroom so she can't come in). We have cat trees, catnip, etc. We both work, though we are each home a couple days a week. But even when we are home she seems bored. Does anyone have any suggestions? Tonight I am here without Gray and am torn between Quincy, who was totally alone all day while I was at work, and Lucy, who is going nuts. I keep going back and forth between them, but want to go to bed. I worry about the stress of boredom on Lucy, as she is positive. Lucy does have Patches, another positive, but does not seem at all satisfied with her company. The only time they interact is when they fight. I have feliway diffusers and spray and use both. Thanks for any suggestions, Michelle
Re: Lucy is bored
I had written to you after the report to see if SP was still having periodic trouble breathing. I don't remember if hearing from you. Does this mean you haven't seen him breathing hard again? Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OMG! Yes!! I'm so sorry, I thought I had cc-ed you in the email I wrote! I took SP to the specialist on Monday for an ultrasound...and she couldn't find a thing wrong with his chest cavity!!! His heart looked good and no suspicious masses...So we're going with feline asthma for now...I'm going to taper him off the pred and then just keep an eye on him! I seriously could've planted a big ol' kiss on the specialist when she couldn't find anything wrong with him! I told her I've never had good news when it came to the FeLV guys and she said, "Well, we usually don't have much good news to give out!" :) So it was a good morning all around! I'm so happy my boy is going to be around for a little while longer! I think he knows he's stuck with us, too...so he's just decided to make the best of it! :) Thanks, again, for all your help...I seriously don't know what I'd do without this wonderful group!! Jen "But if you tame me, then we shall need each other. To me, you will be unique in all the world. To you, I shall be unique in all the world; You become responsible, forever, for what you have tamed..." --Antoine de Saint-Exupry "If you talk to the animals they will talk with you and you will know each other. If you do not talk to them you will not know them, and what you do not know you will fear. What one fears one destroys." --Chief Dan George - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Friday, March 10, 2006 8:50 am Subject: Re: Lucy is bored To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Jen, how is Sleepypants doing? Clinically and, also, did you get test results? Do you know what's going on with him, and what did you decide to do treatment-wise? I am so glad to hear he is feeling ok. Michelle In a message dated 3/10/2006 9:44:46 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I know what ya mean...Sleepypants hasn't quite been himself since his brother, Ewok, died! He's beginning to come around, but for several weeks I seriously thought he was hiding out waiting for death to take him! I distracted him by taking him outside on his harness to have a look around...he loves being outside, and I would joke with him when we came back inside, "See? There are things worth living for!" ;)
Re: Subject: Stinky
Was the T4 and T3 thyriod test done? Many times only the T4 is done and it is missed. Ask your vet if he did both the T4 T3 test. -- Belinda Happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties ... http://www.bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candle Light Service http://www.bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com (affordable hosting web design) http://HostDesign4U.com --- BMK Designs (non-profit web sites) http://bmk.bemikitties.com
Re: Subject: Stinky
I think diabetis is also a disease where they eat alot but lose weight, was she checked for that? -- Belinda Happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties ... http://www.bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candle Light Service http://www.bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com (affordable hosting web design) http://HostDesign4U.com --- BMK Designs (non-profit web sites) http://bmk.bemikitties.com
Re: Lucy is bored
Oh, dear!...might have to check my email settings! Looks like several people haven't gotten messages from me...:( I wonder if something is going on with my server? Or I just neglected to push send...I have been known to do that on occasion! Let me check to see if I still have the message! I'm so sorry about that, Nina! Jen But if you tame me, then we shall need each other. To me, you will be unique in all the world. To you, I shall be unique in all the world; You become responsible, forever, for what you have tamed... --Antoine de Saint-Exupéry If you talk to the animals they will talk with you and you will know each other. If you do not talk to them you will not know them, and what you do not know you will fear. What one fears one destroys. --Chief Dan George - Original Message - From: Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Friday, March 10, 2006 11:10 am Subject: Re: Lucy is bored To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org I had written to you after the report to see if SP was still having periodic trouble breathing. I don't remember if hearing from you. Does this mean you haven't seen him breathing hard again? Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OMG! Yes!! I'm so sorry, I thought I had cc-ed you in the email I wrote! I took SP to the specialist on Monday for an ultrasound...and she couldn't find a thing wrong with his chest cavity!!! His heart looked good and no suspicious masses...So we're going with feline asthmafor now...I'm going to taper him off the pred and then just keep an eye on him! I seriously could've planted a big ol' kiss on the specialistwhen she couldn't find anything wrong with him! I told her I've never had good news when it came to the FeLV guys and she said, Well, we usually don't have much good news to give out! :) So it was a good morning all around! I'm so happy my boy is going to be around for a little while longer! I think he knows he's stuck with us, too...so he's just decided to make the best of it! :) Thanks, again, for all your help...I seriously don't know what I'd do without this wonderful group!! Jen But if you tame me, then we shall need each other. To me, you will be unique in all the world. To you, I shall be unique in all the world; You become responsible, forever, for what you have tamed... --Antoine de Saint-Exupéry If you talk to the animals they will talk with you and you will know each other. If you do not talk to them you will not know them, and what you do not know you will fear. What one fears one destroys. -- Chief Dan George - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Friday, March 10, 2006 8:50 am Subject: Re: Lucy is bored To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Jen, how is Sleepypants doing? Clinically and, also, did you get test results? Do you know what's going on with him, and what did you decide to do treatment-wise? I am so glad to hear he is feeling ok. Michelle In a message dated 3/10/2006 9:44:46 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I know what ya mean...Sleepypants hasn't quite been himself since his brother, Ewok, died! He's beginning to come around, but for severalweeks I seriously thought he was hiding out waiting for death to take him! I distracted him by taking him outside on his harness to have a look around...he loves being outside, and I would joke with him when we came back inside, See? There are things worth living for! ;)
Re: Sandra - Virbagen Omega Dosage
Some more information I have: It is recommended to test blood parameters 14 days after the beginning of treatment, on Day 14. If hematocrit (PCV) and/or RBC count are within physiological ranges, there is a high probability for the cat to be a "good responder" to interferon therapy. In this case, it is recommended to administer the 2nd series of 5 injections on Day 14. If hematological results are not satisfying on Day 14, the cat might be refractory to interferon therapy and treatment should be discussed. Treatment of cats infected with FelV and/or FIV with clinical symptoms. Expected benefits can be numerous. A quick improvement of quality of life can be observed as early as the first days after the beginning of administration (eg. general behaviour, appetite, grooming). Quality of life can be improved whatever the virus responsible for the disease (FIV or FelV or both viruses). Anemia can be improved in cats which are anemic at the start of treatment (it has been shown significant as early as 2 weeks after the start of treatment in a field study). Marlene Pekoe Angel Digby
Re: Sandra - Virbagen Omega Dosage
Thanks Marlene, I hadn't heard about testing blood parameters before. Apparently my girls were "good responders", since they felt so much healthier by the third day of use. When you say "refractory to interferon", does that mean that they simply do not respond, or has it been found to be detrimental in some way to some cats? I've never heard of adverse reactions to the use of IO, but the darn stuff isn't even approved in this country yet. Nina Marlene Chornie wrote: Some more information I have: It is recommended to test blood parameters 14 days after the beginning of treatment, on Day 14. If hematocrit (PCV) and/or RBC count are within physiological ranges, there is a high probability for the cat to be a "good responder" to interferon therapy. In this case, it is recommended to administer the 2nd series of 5 injections on Day 14. If hematological results are not satisfying on Day 14, the cat might be refractory to interferon therapy and treatment should be discussed. Treatment of cats infected with FelV and/or FIV with clinical symptoms. Expected benefits can be numerous. A quick improvement of quality of life can be observed as early as the first days after the beginning of administration (eg. general behaviour, appetite, grooming). Quality of life can be improved whatever the virus responsible for the disease (FIV or FelV or both viruses). Anemia can be improved in cats which are anemic at the start of treatment (it has been shown significant as early as 2 weeks after the start of treatment in a field study). Marlene Pekoe Angel Digby
To Nina - Virbagen Omega
Nina, given orally, Virbagen Omega would work exactly like the human interferon that so many people on the list administer orally... considered the cost and the difficulties to get Feline Interferon in the USA, there is simply no reason for doing so! The protocol (1MU/kg for 5 consecutive days) was taken from a clinical double-blind trial carried on by Mahl, Maynard et al. It was tested under strictly controlled conditions, and it did work. I do not mean in any way that, since Micia did great (and I mean really G-R-E-A-T!) after a single cycle, others may not need the cycles at days 14 and 60: that was simply my personal experience. But the dose of 1MU/kg is absolutely right. The other thing, Nina, if you remember my past messages about this, is that differently from human interferon, Virbagen Omega CANNOT be stored in the refrigerator once reconstituted, because it does not contain any preservative: it must be used immediately, if you try to save if for the day after, you spoil it of its power. Paolo
Re: Subject: Stinky
I am going to ask them when I go to pick her up today. I bet they only did the T4 test. Cindy --- Belinda Sauro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Was the T4 and T3 thyriod test done? Many times only the T4 is done and it is missed. Ask your vet if he did both the T4 T3 test. -- Belinda Happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties ... http://www.bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candle Light Service http://www.bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com (affordable hosting web design) http://HostDesign4U.com --- BMK Designs (non-profit web sites) http://bmk.bemikitties.com __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: Subject: Stinky
We did a CBC on her last week. The only thing that was abnormal was her white blood cell count. It was a little high but they did a urinalysis on her and she had an infection. Cindy --- Belinda Sauro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think diabetis is also a disease where they eat alot but lose weight, was she checked for that? -- Belinda Happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties ... http://www.bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candle Light Service http://www.bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com (affordable hosting web design) http://HostDesign4U.com --- BMK Designs (non-profit web sites) http://bmk.bemikitties.com __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: To Nina - Virbagen Omega
Hi Paolo, My vet did finally get to speak to someone at the manufacture's who told her that it was recommended to use it directly after reconstitution because of fears of contamination, not because it would lose it's effectiveness. I did end up using it in this way, making sure to cover the top of the bottle with a plastic wrapped alcohol soaked pad. I didn't have much choice given the cost and length it took to get the stuff. I always used a fresh needle whenever puncturing the vial top. If you remember, Grace also did great after the first administration, but then she relapsed later. Sadly, it wasn't the cure I'd hoped for, but it did help her fight off illness for a long time. Perhaps if we had been able to give it to her sooner... Who knows. Nina Paolo wrote: Nina, given orally, Virbagen Omega would work exactly like the human interferon that so many people on the list administer orally... considered the cost and the difficulties to get Feline Interferon in the USA, there is simply no reason for doing so! The protocol (1MU/kg for 5 consecutive days) was taken from a clinical double-blind trial carried on by Mahl, Maynard et al. It was tested under strictly controlled conditions, and it did work. I do not mean in any way that, since Micia did great (and I mean really G-R-E-A-T!) after a single cycle, others may not need the cycles at days 14 and 60: that was simply my personal experience. But the dose of 1MU/kg is absolutely right. The other thing, Nina, if you remember my past messages about this, is that differently from human interferon, Virbagen Omega CANNOT be stored in the refrigerator once reconstituted, because it does not contain any preservative: it must be used immediately, if you try to save if for the day after, you spoil it of its power. Paolo
Lucy is bored -
Michelle I am sorry that Lucy is bored do you feel that she will get better as times goes? Or, will you be willing to get a kitten that Lucy can play with? From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2006 7:27 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Lucy is bored Lucy has been going nuts with boredom since Ginger died, and I am not sure what to do for her. This happened when Ginger was with my mom for a month too. Although Lucy always acted like she did not like Ginger, Ginger definitely kept her occupied and entertained. When Ginger was at my mom's, Lucy figured out how to get out of the cat fence-in, after 2 years of never even trying to, and got out of the yard constantly (at our old house). Here, since Ginger died, she runs around trying to play with things (but unable to entertain herself as well as Ginger did) and meowing-- last night she meowed and meowed until I got out of bed and went and played with her, and when I tried to go back to bed she did it again. Gray finally went in the other room and slept there to be near her (our negative, Quincy, lives in our bedroom so she can't come in). We have cat trees, catnip, etc. We both work, though we are each home a couple days a week. But even when we are home she seems bored. Does anyone have any suggestions? Tonight I am here without Gray and am torn between Quincy, who was totally alone all day while I was at work, and Lucy, who is going nuts. I keep going back and forth between them, but want to go to bed. I worry about the stress of boredom on Lucy, as she is positive. Lucy does have Patches, another positive, but does not seem at all satisfied with her company. The only time they interact is when they fight. I have feliway diffusers and spray and use both. Thanks for any suggestions, Michelle
Re: Stinky update
Yay, Stinky!!! =^..^= Terri, Siggie the Tomato Vampire, Guinevere, Sammi, Travis, Dori and 6 furangels: RuthieGirl, Samantha, Arielle, Gareth, Alec Salome' =^..^= Furkid Photos! http://mysite.verizon.net/vze7sgqa/My Personal Page: http://www.geocities.com/ruthiegirl1/terrispage.html?1083970447350Come check me out on MySpace at http://www.myspace.com/terricrazycatlady Earth and Family Safe Products! http://www.moreinfo247.com/9162990/VCLNice Offers! www.niceoffers.com/9162990 Buy Avon Online! http://www.youravon.com/theresabrown - Original Message - From: cindy reasoner To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, March 10, 2006 8:41 AM Subject: Stinky update Stinky made it through the night. I called thismorning and she was standing up in the cage. Hopefully she will be able to come home today. Theonly thing I found out about the surgery was that hersmall intestine looked o.k. Her large intestine hadsome purple spots on it. I don't know what thatmeans. The lympnode looked like it was a littleenlarged. That worries me. It will probably be nextweek before I know anything. Thank all of you foryour advice and prayers.Cindy__Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com sig.jsp?pc=ZSzeb063pp=ZNxmk572DKUS Description: Binary data
Re: good news Tabbs Spain
That is great news!!!tonyaSandra [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A little bit of good news today, Tabbs HCT has gone up from 11 to 14.3, and every thing else on his readings are good except his liver, So will have to look into this, but unhappy about more drugs. any comments welcome on the treatment that he is on at the moment, I am still trying to get the epogen.below is the note from my vet.Hello Sandra: I am so happy to tell you that Tabs ht is 14%!!! Last time was 11 % and a non regenerative anemia. Now is a little regenerative. So, now I suggest to follow in this way: -Dacortin 5mg: 1 tablet / day -Interferon omega: 1/4 bottle every day.(2.5 UI) -Vitamins and rest of the medication: the same like before, also stomorgyl [EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED]I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users.It has removed 1157 spam emails to date.Paying users do not have this message in their emails.Try SPAMfighter for free now!
Re: [felinelymphomacaregivers] Bailey Update
Hmmm - blood transfusion, liver shake? Gloria - Original Message - From: Belinda Sauro [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; FeLV Talk List [New] felvtalk@felineleukemia.org; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2006 5:03 PM Subject: Re: [felinelymphomacaregivers] Bailey Update Now to make things even trickier, with all of Bailey's bloodwork being normal again, I just got the results of his iron test and he is low 41, with normal being 65 to 125??? Any ideas??? I've made an appointment for an ultrasound, originally had it for Tuesday but decided to try to get an earlier appointment, they squeezed me in tomorrow. We will be checking kidney's, speen, liver, intestines and looking for enlarged lymphnodes. If she see's anything that doesn't look right we will get fine needle aspirates of the area. Have also ordered a higher calorie food PD, which is for birthing animals and animals that have been traumatized. Hopefully he will start to put on some weight. -- Belinda Happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties ... http://www.bemikitties.com
Re: Lucy is bored -
Lucy has Patches. She just thinks Patches is boring and also does not like her. But she also acted like she thought Ginger was boring. She never really played with Ginger, and seemed to dislike all the cats so much that the house call vet who came here when I first moved in said she thought Lucy wanted to be an only cat. Which is why I am surprised at how bored she is without Ginger. I think that, though she was not crazy about Ginger, Ginger's energy and antics kept her entertained and busy, and now she lacks that. Patches spends a lot of time lying on the bed, whereas Ginger was always running around playing with everything. So no, I do not think of getting a kitten, and really do not think Lucy would even like one. Gray would never put up with me adopting another cat, anyway, especially a positive, after all the deaths we have been through in the past few years. I am hoping that my being home over the weekend will help her for a while, anyway. And with warm weather coming she can spend more time outside in the yard, which she likes and finds interesting. Michelle In a message dated 3/10/2006 4:12:14 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Michelle – I am sorry that Lucy is bored – do you feel that she will get better as times goes? Or, will you be willing to get a kitten that Lucy can play with?
Re: Stinky update
Get a jar of Gerber's chicken baby food and dip the pill (cover it on all sides) in the baby food and pill her that way. It makes it go down easier and harder to spit out, and tastes good to them. It makes a huge difference. you can also use Nutrical or something like that, but then it sometimes sticks to your finger. Michelle In a message dated 3/10/2006 1:52:27 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: She hasn't been having trouble with her bowles. Theysaid that when she did have a bowel movement it lookedoily. She does get to come home today. I am a littlenervous because I know she will have medicine to takeand she is terrible to get pills down her. I'm afraidI will hurt her stomach. We have to wrap her in atowel. I hold her and my husband pops the pill downher mouth. It is stressful for all of us.Cindy
Re: Lucy is bored
Actually, the reason that I have Quincy is that he hates other cats and when my friend Faith rescued him from a shelter where he was going to be euthanized because he was biting, she brought him home and he went hysterical when he saw her other cats and bit a hole clear through one of her cat's tails. She locked him in her bathroom for 2 months and periodically tried to acclimate him but he just hated the other cats. Before being dropped off at the shelter he lived with an older couple as an only cat and only indoors from the age of 6 weeks, so he just never had exposure to other cats. I took him because I knew I could keep him separate from my others-- it was easier in our old house than here. Even so, I would bring my positives into the main house space where he lived when they were sick, and separate them with screens that I put up in the hallway and covered with blankets, and he would go ballistic anytime he saw one of them (Simon, on his good days, found this extremely entertaining, and would go to great lengths to get somewhere where Quincy could see him a and then watch happily as Quincy had a hysterical fit. When Lucy started climbing out of the yard in our last month there, after Ginger came down and was with my mom, I would know when she got out because she would walk to where Quincy could see her from a window and he would start screaming like someone was trying to kill him. So no, I don't really think it would lessen everyone's stress to let him into the rest of the house with Lucy and Patches! :) Even though I keep him separate I get him his leukemia shot (Purevax), because I fear that if he ever gets out into their space he will immediately attack them and draw blood. Thanks for the suggestion though! :) Michelle In a message dated 3/10/2006 11:37:22 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Michelle,I'm hoping to find a homeopathic that helps with Gypsy's "neediness", (she'll only eat while I'm petting her). I'll pass on suggestions when I get them. How old is Quincy? Has he had his shots? Is there any chance you might change your mind and start mixing them? I don't know what's more stressful to you, keeping them segregated under these circumstances, or the thought of mixing them. I'm guessing that mixing them would ease Lucy's frustrations. Unless you don't think that Quincy and the pos will get along? Everyone always told me not to allow my pos access to my back yard because of the fear of them contracting something from the ferals that pass through at night. I knew there was a danger, who knows, it may have even hastened their deaths, but I'll never be sorry that I gave them the fullest, happiest life while they were here that I could. It's at least one regret that I don't have. I'm sure I'd be singing a different tune if one of my negs came up pos because of mixing, but no one ever did.Hugs to you, I hear yours and Lucy's frustration,Nina
RE: Stinky update
Also try something called Pill Pockets. Not all cats like it but if yours does, its wonderful. Its a goey treat with a pocket in it to put in pill. My Tucson wolfs it down without ever noticing the pill. My Romeo, however, just looks at me like Im crazylike hes not supposed to know theres a pill in there! Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 10, 2006 7:01 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Stinky update Get a jar of Gerber's chicken baby food and dip the pill (cover it on all sides) in the baby food and pill her that way. It makes it go down easier and harder to spit out, and tastes good to them. It makes a huge difference. you can also use Nutrical or something like that, but then it sometimes sticks to your finger. Michelle In a message dated 3/10/2006 1:52:27 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: She hasn't been having trouble with her bowles. They said that when she did have a bowel movement it looked oily. She does get to come home today. I am a little nervous because I know she will have medicine to take and she is terrible to get pills down her. I'm afraid I will hurt her stomach. We have to wrap her in a towel. I hold her and my husband pops the pill down her mouth. It is stressful for all of us. Cindy
Re: Lucy is bored
Quincy is sweet with us, but touchy. When he does not want to be pet anymore, or just when he is moody, he nips us. I think it was that, and not the biting of other cats, that made the shelter label him as unadoptable. He does not seem like a bully at all. I actually call him my dandy, because he is very fussy, and cleans himself a million times a day, and meows for me to clean his litterbox after he uses it. He is scared of other cats, I think, and that is why he gets so hysterical. He does not want to see them or be near them or go looking for trouble like a bully. He just gets hysterical when he sees them. He needs to feel like an only cat and be with people who do not freak out at getting bitten (he doesn't break skin or anything, but it does hurt a little sometimes). We love him a lot and are glad that we took him, but it is very lucky that we got matched up with each other, because he would have been very hard to place (and the shelter had indeed given up). He is so handsome, though, it's hard to believe anyone would claim he is unadoptable! And very playful and talkative. Yes, Simon was totally a character. I miss the little bugger. One time Quincy was howling and we knew it was because he could see Simon, but we could not for the life of us figure out where Simon was. He had jumped from a counter in the upstairs loft area (the upstairs bedroom had a counter rather than a full wall on one side) down a ways and at a very difficult angle onto a little shelf that jutted out from the loft and overlooked Quincy's part of the house, and was hanging his head over the edge looking at Quincy and, I swear, smiling, while Quincy went on and on like someone was hanging him from his toes. Oh, Simon was so naughty. I really miss him. Michelle In a message dated 3/10/2006 7:15:44 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Damn, that Quincy is a terror! No, it doesn't sound like a good idea to mix them! :) Is he sweet with the humans? I've learned to never say never again when it comes to acclimating cats, or dogs that don't get along with others, but it certainly doesn't make much sense in this case to even try. What a character that Simon was! I don't blame Gray one tiny little bit for trying to avoid any more heartache. You guys have been through so much, I wouldn't go looking for it either.Nina
Re: Stinky update
Our dog Nubi at first ate them with the pill in them, but then started carefully dissecting each one and removing the pill before eating it! She was so smart. Michelle In a message dated 3/10/2006 7:16:13 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Also try something called Pill Pockets. Not all cats like it but if yours does, its wonderful. It’s a goey ‘treat’ with a pocket in it to put in pill. My Tucson wolfs it down without ever noticing the pill. My Romeo, however, just looks at me like I’m crazy—like he’s not supposed to know there’s a pill in there!
Re: Lucy is bored
The rest of mine have been so quiet this past week. There were several evenings we just couldn't take the quiet and left the house to escape it. I don't know what to think about it. I honestly don't know if this was normal before Paassht left us. She took up so much of our attention - throughout her life, not only when she was ill - because she was the one who asked for it. The others behaved as more "typical" cats, you know..."don't call me, I'll call you and we'll talk about me sitting in your lap sometime...maybe". I am waiting to see how they adapt and renegotiate their social order now that the Top Cat has gone. Several of them want the green bed, which we just bought for Paassht the day before she died. Her mama, Kroger, has been in it the most.BTW the bed was an impulse buy that turned out to be a perfect choice for a cat with severe fatigue and breathing difficulties. There's a picture at http://community.webshots.com/photo/548170569/2979112840086746363EbFRHE. She alternated between leaning against the bolster and stretching out flat on the leopard-print cushion which is underneath the bed in this picture. She really appreciated that also. The label says it's self heating and it did seem to help her keep warm in the last few weeks. The bed came from Tractor Supply and the cushion was bought at PetSmart.Becca[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I know what ya mean...Sleepypants hasn't quite been himself since hisbrother, Ewok, died! He's beginning to come around, but for severalweeks I seriously thought he was hiding out waiting for death to takehim! I distracted him by taking him outside on his harness to have alook around...he loves being outside, and I would joke with him when wecame back inside, "See? There are things worth living for!" ;)I think, just like us, they need to work through their grief and suddenchange...Sleepypants is beginning to fall back into his old routine andI can see it in his eyes that he is okay...I guess he's decided thatbeing here with us and without his brothers isn't such a bad dealafterall... ;)You guys are such wonderful "cat-parents!" I'm sure Lucy will beokay...she obviously has no problem letting you guys know what sheneeds! :) I'm sure a little extra play-time is a much neededdistraction for her...even if it is at 2 o'clock in the morning!Jen"But if you tame me, then we shall need each other. To me, you will beunique in all the world. To you, I shall be unique in all the world; Youbecome responsible, forever, for what you have tamed..." --Antoine deSaint-Exup�ry"If you talk to the animals they will talk with you and you will knoweach other. If you do not talk to them you will not know them, and whatyou do not know you will fear. What one fears one destroys." --Chief DanGeorge- Original Message -From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Date: Thursday, March 9, 2006 8:27 pmSubject: Lucy is boredTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Lucy has been going nuts with boredom since Ginger died, and I am not sure what to do for her. This happened when Ginger was with my mom for a month too. Although Lucy always acted like she did not like Ginger, Ginger definitely kept her occupied and entertained. When Ginger was at my mom's, Lucy figured out how to get out of the cat fence-in, after 2 years of never even trying to, and got out of the yard constantly (at our old house). Here, since Ginger died, she runs around trying to play with things (but unable to entertain herself as well as Ginger did) and meowing-- last night she meowed and meowed until I got out of bed and went and played with her, and when I tried to go back to bed she did it again. Gray finally went in the other room and slept there to be near her (our negative, Quincy, lives in our bedroom so she can't come in). We have cat trees, catnip, etc. We both work, though we are each home a couple days a week. But even when we are home she seems bored. Does anyone have any suggestions? Tonight I am here without Gray and am torn between Quincy, who was totally alone all day while I was at work, and Lucy, who is going nuts. I keep going back and forth between them, but want to go to bed. I worry about the stress of boredom on Lucy, as she is positive.Lucy does have Patches, another positive, but does not seem at all satisfied with her company. The only time they interact is when they fight. I have feliway diffusers and spray and use both. Thanks for any suggestions, Michelle
Re: Lucy is bored
Jen,I'm so glad. Becca[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OMG! Yes!! I'm so sorry, I thought I had cc-ed you in the email Iwrote! I took SP to the specialist on Monday for an ultrasound...andshe couldn't find a thing wrong with his chest cavity!!! His heartlooked good and no suspicious masses...So we're going with feline asthmafor now...I'm going to taper him off the pred and then just keep an eyeon him! I seriously could've planted a big ol' kiss on the specialistwhen she couldn't find anything wrong with him! I told her I've neverhad good news when it came to the FeLV guys and she said, "Well, weusually don't have much good news to give out!" :) So it was a goodmorning all around! I'm so happy my boy is going to be around for alittle while longer! I think he knows he's stuck with us, too...so he'sjust decided to make the best of it! :) Thanks, again, for all yourhelp...I seriously don't know what I'd do without this wonderful group!!Jen"But if you tame me, then we shall need each other. To me, you will beunique in all the world. To you, I shall be unique in all the world; Youbecome responsible, forever, for what you have tamed..." --Antoine deSaint-Exup�ry"If you talk to the animals they will talk with you and you will knoweach other. If you do not talk to them you will not know them, and whatyou do not know you will fear. What one fears one destroys." --Chief DanGeorge- Original Message -From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Date: Friday, March 10, 2006 8:50 amSubject: Re: Lucy is boredTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Jen, how is Sleepypants doing? Clinically and, also, did you get test results? Do you know what's going on with him, and what did you decide to do treatment-wise? I am so glad to hear he is feeling ok. Michelle In a message dated 3/10/2006 9:44:46 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I know what ya mean...Sleepypants hasn't quite been himself since his brother, Ewok, died! He's beginning to come around, but for several weeks I seriously thought he was hiding out waiting for death to take him! I distracted him by taking him outside on his harness to have a look around...he loves being outside, and I would joke with him when we came back inside, "See? There are things worth living for!" ;)
Re: To Michelle, Sheila, Kerry, Susan, Becca, Marissa Dawn
Thanks Wendy, I am better but not 100%. I know I'll never stop missing her or worrying about the mistakes I may or may not have made, but the pain has been more manageable this week. We got her urn back on Tuesday and it gave us some closure. The presentation was so beautiful. Along with the urn (a little black urn for a little black cat) we got a certificate of individual cremation and an angel cat pin, all packaged in a gift bag decorated with a little white bow and some tiny paper roses. I've been wearing the pin on my ID lanyard at work. If anyone needs this service in the Middle Tennessee area, I highly recommend Littlest Angels Pet Crematory. Our vet recommended her and her listing in the phone book was also the one I chose by sheer gut instinct: "Individual cremations performed with care in a country setting", just that, the name and the phone number. The voice on the answering machine is so calm and soothing, unlike the other place I called where I got the standard "I'm either on the phone or with a client". That was such a turnoff, but it was no surprise as the ad made it sound like a funeral home for pets.We got a lovely card from the specialist which she wrote and signed personally. Everyone there was so wonderful. I've already referred someone who needed a vet in that part of town.Love to all and hugs to all kittiesBeccawendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just wanted to see how all of you are doing sinceyou all have lost a furbaby so recently. Please begentle with yourself. Treat yourself to somethingspecial this weekend, a pedicure, some chocolate, agood romance novel. Anything to pamper yourself. Youall deserve the best the way you loved and cared foryour furbabies!Have a great weekend!:)Wendy__Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: Stinky update
Cindy,I'm so glad to hear Stinky is still hanging on. I know you love her not only for herself but also for the connection she has to your brother.BeccaPS I am several days behind on email...cindy reasoner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Stinky made it through the night.
Re: Lucy is bored
I seem to have missed a thread about you taking Starman in with your others. So glad that is working out! Michelle In a message dated 3/10/2006 7:35:23 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Starman does that nip at you when he's excited, or had enough thing too. I started gently scolding him and wagging my finger at him like a cat would bat. It seems to be working. When he looks like he's getting ready to bite, I'll warn him with the "tone" and he catches himself and looks chagrined, (I swear this cat has all the _expression_ of any human I've ever met), and then a beat later, (when he doesn't bite), he looks so darn proud of himself. He's come such a long way. Pistol Pete, (the little girl kitten that was sent to ease my aching heart when I lost Grace and Jazz), is all of 5 lbs and she just runs him! She's always scolding him and he just backs up, squints to protect his eyes, and looks at her like, whatever you say my dear. He has a crush on her and he's finally winning her over. Lately I've seen her walk by him without smacking him! It's never dull around here.Hugs to you,N
Re: To Michelle, Sheila, Kerry, Susan, Becca, Marissa Dawn
Thanks, Wendy. I am functioning much better than I have after other deaths. Not sure why. The first week was incredibly hard-- spent the first weekend drugged on sleeping pills just trying not to be awake. Now I am basically functioning, even ok at times, but having intermittent flashbacks and just generally missing Ginger. I am also missing all the others, too. Patches has loose stool that today is diarrhea, and so far is not responding to the metronidazole. So I now have some anxiety about her taking over my emotions too. It is hard not to just focus on the possibility that she too has lymphoma, in her intestines. I have a generally ominous feeling about my two remaining positives, which I hope is just that, a feeling. Thanks again, Michelle
