Re: Ripley and Sherman
Most vets don't prescribe valium to cats any more due to the negative effects
it has on other parts of the body (I think kidneys/liver). Most vets will
prescribe clonicalm or something else other than valium...
tonya
Angela Lewis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
My vet is recommending a low dose of Valume for the kitties. I explained that
I didn't want them drugged or completely out of it but if they had visions
of mice in their heads, that's fine. ha ha. Anyone had any experiece with
Valume? Thanks!!! :)
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Wendy is correct, just make sure kitties have somewhere to hide (maybe your
bedroom?) and that you visit w/them
a lot to pet them, reassure them tell them that you love them.
Susan J. DuBose ^..^
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From: Melissa Lind
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Friday, August 31, 2007 4:28 PM
Subject: RE: Ripley and Sherman
Angela,
Im not Susan, but I agree that you should help the kitties stay stress-free
(and yourself!). I know that a few of mine would be terrified and severely
stressed out with that many people in the house.
Ive tried Feliwaythey make a plug in. That may work for you. Ive had no
measurable results but others have. You can purchase these at places like Petco.
Rescue Remedya spray or a dropis sold in the human headache section of
places like Walgreens. This has also worked for others on the list, but alas,
not for me.
Last, you could get a prescription for fluoxetine which my Bandit takes (hes
now off of it though) for anxiety. It is a miracle drug in my opinion. When I
had my FeLV foster cat staying in the home office by himself, he was very sad.
I gave him Bandits fluoxetine (Prozac), and the kitty was no longer anxious
although he was not dopey or drugged appearing in any way.
Id also make sure that access to hiding places was available, and Id move
their food to a quiet place where they can eat in peace, if possible.
Good luck!
Melissa
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Angela Lewis
Sent: Friday, August 31, 2007 4:12 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Ripley and Sherman
Susan,
You helped me thru a hard time with Midnight aka Boy about a week and a
half ago when he was diagnosed with Feline Leukemia and PTS. I have a
question Boy's Leukemia showed it's ugly face because of our move to the
new house (stress on him). Although I have had Sherman and Ripley tested for
this nasty disease, (thanks to God they were negative!), I am concerned
that if they get stressed out, this will become an issue again. I am scared to
pieces to let them feel any anxiety or stress.
My point is that we have family that will be staying with us next
week, about 16 people. To say the least, this will be a huge change for the
kitties since they are use to just two of us being in the house. Is there
anything I can give the cats to calm them durring this time? (Family will be
here for four days) I'm paranoid that the slightest stress will make them ill
(Feline Leukemia will show it's ugly face again). I know they were tested,
negative, but so was Boy when he was a kitten! We had no idea that he even had
Leukemia until we moved. Please advise if you have any suggestions.
Thanks!
Ang
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Re: OT: RE: new kitty, fingers crossed
Melissa,
I'm so sorry for your losses. After all you've been through your hubby
should let you keep a little kitten for a while. Shouldn't he???
t
Melissa Lind [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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st1\:*{behavior:url(#default#ieooui) }Well, heres the update:
first of all, for those of you who might remember, I mentioned being in the
family way a while back, so you might be concerned about my alcohol intake. I
guess I didnt mention that we lost the baby L. Not that I want to burden you
guys with personal stuff, but for those who were scratching their heads and
wondering what kind of person I was
.
Anyway, I was so excited to have a couple come over to the house this weekend
to look at our foster kitties. After meeting the two kitties at our house, it
seemed that they wanted to take baby kitty (as yet unnamed) from the vets
office sight unseen. That sounded great! Alas, baby kitty is still at the
vets. Ill pick her up today after work. My husband still doesnt know about
this kitty. I think Ill just bring her home and when he returns from out of
town tomorrow, Ill just wait until he notices the baby running around and
blame it on a spay/neuter gone bad (our cats are multiplying!). The people who
were interested in her might take her at Thanksgiving time (when they return).
In the meantime, its my plan to take lots of pictures of her and send them to
tempt them. They live in Michigan (I live in Nebraska), so travel would not be
difficult to arrange.
As for the name, it still hasnt come to me. The drink was just a Vox vodka
with diet 7-up and a splash of sweet/sour mix. Vox, fox, foxy? Maybe. I know it
will come to me.
Also, Im kind of a sentimental person (sometimes), and I cant help but
thinking that fate sent baby to us since we just lost our own (3rd loss for
us). So, although I want to keep this post to cat issues, I cant help but
think that it was more than coincidence that brought us together.
Ill try to post some pictures of baby tomorrow.
Melissa
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Re: This is pretty interesting-testing shelter cats
What does your shelter do with cats who test positive? Most shelters combo test and euthanize any positives. Furthermore, in a shelter situation, it is highly likely that a cat can test negative, but later test positive anyway, and vice versa. I think the responsible thing to do is to have the new guardian test the cat and make a decision to return it or keep it if it comes up positive. They should be educated about the fact that the test is highly susceptible until it is confirmed in 3 months. Either way. The way testing is done now cats are routinely euthanized who are probably not even positive. And people take home cats satisfied that their cats are negative when they are in fact positive. t Susan Dubose [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I used to work in a shelter too, and we did not test to cull the cats. We tested because it was the responsible thing to do. Yes, I understand that they can test pos. later after an exposure,but if I adopted a cat /kitten from the shelter and brought it home, and introduced it to my geriatric cat or one of of my immune compromised cats, and it turned out to be pos. due to the shelter not testing it (I am thinking in terms of people who are not knowledgeable), and it exposed my cats to felv., I would be one.pissed ..off..B. And I don't want to hear that it's not that contagious, I have a cat that this happened to from a hoarding house. It's irresponsible for a shelter not to test the cats /kittens prior to adoption, so that the shelter / potential adopters know what they are dealing with. Why would you not test the cats? That's more irresponsible than not testing a dog for heartworms. Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent - Original Message - From: catatonya To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2007 4:46 AM Subject: Re: This is pretty interesting I am against testing cats. I used to work at the shelter, and it is really a way to cull the population. Plus, if a cat tests negative at a shelter and is then still kept in cages, cat rooms, etc... with other cats. it could still wind up positive. tonya Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This article advocates against combo testing shelter cats. Frankly I'm not sure what to think. I can see advantages and disadvantages. http://network.bestfriends.org/Blogs/PostDetail.aspx?g=3042316787ce4a6e8eb13f7e1c31758dbp=5244 -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Caroline! http://rescuties.chipin.com/caroline I GoodSearch for Rescuties. Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching the Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com - powered by Yahoo!
Re: This is pretty interesting
Thank you for the info. Kelly. I sent it to my shelter director. I have been trying to stop her from testing all cats. t Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 9/4/07, Susan Dubose wrote: It's irresponsible for a shelter not to test the cats /kittens prior to adoption, so that the shelter / potential adopters know what they are dealing with. Why would you not test the cats? That's more irresponsible than not testing a dog for heartworms. Hi Susan, If you read the article, they have several reasons - and remember they are primarily talking about shelters, not rescues:) I'll just post it here, in the interest of time. Also, Alley Cat Allies advocates not testing asymptomatic feral cats. Response from Susan Cosby: I am really glad that you asked this question! You have hit on an issue that is close to my heart. I worked at a shelter where we killed a few visibly healthy cats who tested positive and that just didn't seem right. Since that time, I've learned a lot and now I am in a position to set policy and that policy is: Say no to mass testing. I used to say that FIV/FeLV testing is an expensive, labor intensive and inhumane method used to cull cats from animal shelters and feral cat colonies that must be stopped. That answer didn't make me many friends in the sheltering world so now I say: I can save your shelter thousands of dollars, free up your staff to spend more time caring for animals, save more lives and generate revenue for your veterinary services! That seems to get people to listen to me more than the first answer. You might want to try the same tactic when speaking with your local shelter and I am going to provide you with the ammunition you need to make the argument. Any organization that is committed to saving animal lives must cease the practice of mass testing for feline leukemia virus (FeLV) and feline immunodeficiency virus (FIV). Simply put: the volume of cats entering the sheltering system in almost every community in America is at a crisis level. Testing places an undue burden on both the health of the cats and kittens in the shelter and the resources available to the shelter and the community. A low percentage of cats testing positive (1 2.5%), a high rate of false positive results in visibly healthy kittens (up to 50%), and a low percentage of cats that are diagnosed as positive with FIV who go on to develop symptoms (around 10%), clearly demonstrate that these resources, be they financial or otherwise, would best be spent to provide low and no-cost spay and neuter services or other immediately effective lifesaving programs. This philosophy is shared by prominent organizations such as the Oregon Humane Society, Neighborhood Cats and the Philadelphia Animal Welfare Society and by smaller local organizations including the Animal Welfare Association in New Jersey. The Oregon Humane Society, who ended mass testing for FeLV in 2001 clearly outlined the drawbacks of this type of testing in a written response about their organization's policy: Testing every cat increased the time a cat spent in the shelter's holding kennel: Drawing blood and performing a feline leukemia test on an average of 30 to 50 cats per day took two employees up to four hours to complete and document. Less than one percent of the cats were testing positive. Testing caused an enormous delay in getting cats out for adoption; making them more susceptible to illness (such as upper respiratory infection or URI). The staff time, low rate of positive results, and the cost of medical supplies (test kits, needles, and syringes was $25,000 annually) were important factors in this decision. Holding cats while they are awaiting the test made them more susceptible to illness: Most important in the decision to cease testing every cat was testing interfered with getting cats and kittens placed for adoption in a timely manner. During our busy season, with about 50 cats/kittens coming into the shelter daily, performing the tests slowed down the process of moving cats from the holding kennels to the adoption kennels. Cats would become ill with URI after 7 to 10 days in the shelter. Many sick cats remained in our shelter for treatment, were put into foster homes, or unfortunately euthanized for this treatable illness (URI), not for feline leukemia. The best way we can protect our cats is to get them through the system and quickly into a loving home. Since implementation, OHS's adoption rate on cats has increased significantly. OHS's goal is to find homes for unwanted animals while keeping them as healthy as possible while they are in the shelter. Since April 2001 when testing on every cat ceased, OHS experienced a surge in adoptions of cats and significant reduction in euthanasia. Through the years more and more shelters that once routinely tested incoming cats and kittens have ceased the practice. The Animal Welfare Association stopped mass testing after they determined that less than one percent of the
RE: Slightly OT: Thanks; new kitty
Congrats Megan on the new kitty! Yes, of course no kitty could replace Olive, but I think it's wonderful that you and your roommate are so caring and understanding! I have a kitty that is not old, but she's just disproportional. She's about a year old. I got her in April--rescued from eating out of a dumpster--so she was very malnourished. Her body is much bigger than I would expect her head to be. She's cute, but not a cat that you would call beautiful--I tell her that she's beautiful inside! Have you named the little one? My suggestion would be to get it to the vet for wormer, ear mites, etc. and see how old he/she is. Best of luck! Melissa -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Megan Heikkinen Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 10:04 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Slightly OT: Thanks; new kitty First off, I want to thank all of you for your condolences. I miss Olive, but I am doing much better. Although it hurts and sometimes I question myself, I think I did the right thing. I couldn't stand seeing her suffering. And now there is a new kitty in the household. I am by no means trying to replace Olive, because that would be impossible. My mom's new neighbors had this little kitten that they didn't take care of, and so my mom was letting her stay inside. Stepdad won't let her keep it, so she sorta kinda pushes it on me... My roommate decides to take her, because her cat is way back in New Jersey and she wants her own kitty. So, the little kitty is in her room for now, because I do not want to take any chance whatsoever of getting my cats sick. Although, this thing is slightly malnourished and dirty, and my guess is that it's probably FeLV-negative, otherwise it probably wouldn't still be alive. Still, I want to take precautions. Here's the weird thing about this cat: It's very very small, and at first glance looks like a small kitten. However, it's got the proportions of an adult cat. It's so strange. She looks like a miniature cat. Could her growth have been stunted, perhaps? Or do some kittens just turn out that way? I want to get her tested ASAP, so she isn't stuck by herself in a tiny room, but I have no idea how old she is. Size-wise, she looks maybe a month or so, but if it IS possible her growth was stunted The vet techs told me that you can't really tell if they're positive or negative until around 4 months, but I don't want to keep her cooped up in my roommate's room for the next few months. -Megan
RE: OT: RE: new kitty, fingers crossed
Yes, hubby noticed the new addition (Penelope) yesterday and was upset, frustrated, anxious, but after a day at work, he came home and was fine. He's now interested in her, and he can chuckle at my plotting and scheming. He does appreciate my compassion even though it might stress him out at times. He was surprised to learn how long we'd had the kitten (albeit at the vet's office) since I can't keep a secret. She's so small, he really can't be angry for long-plus, how could he be angry when I'd cooked all his favorite foods?! :-) It's amazing what food can do! Penelope is getting braver every day. She's following me around now, and after cleaning up about 8 piles of runny poo, she's now figured out the litter box. I think she knew what it was, but didn't want to intrude on the other cats' territory. I moved a litter box to the poo area (luckily it was on linoleum), sprinkled dirt on the top, and mixed in some other cats' poo, and she went right away! Yea! I was near tears from all the poos I had to clean-very afraid that she wouldn't learn-but all has worked out smoothly. Melissa _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of catatonya Sent: Friday, September 07, 2007 2:29 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: OT: RE: new kitty, fingers crossed Melissa, I'm so sorry for your losses. After all you've been through your hubby should let you keep a little kitten for a while. Shouldn't he??? t Melissa Lind [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, here's the update: first of all, for those of you who might remember, I mentioned being in the family way a while back, so you might be concerned about my alcohol intake. I guess I didn't mention that we lost the baby :-(. Not that I want to burden you guys with personal stuff, but for those who were scratching their heads and wondering what kind of person I was.. Anyway, I was so excited to have a couple come over to the house this weekend to look at our foster kitties. After meeting the two kitties at our house, it seemed that they wanted to take baby kitty (as yet unnamed) from the vets' office sight unseen. That sounded great! Alas, baby kitty is still at the vets'. I'll pick her up today after work. My husband still doesn't know about this kitty. I think I'll just bring her home and when he returns from out of town tomorrow, I'll just wait until he notices the baby running around and blame it on a spay/neuter gone bad (our cats are multiplying!). The people who were interested in her might take her at Thanksgiving time (when they return). In the meantime, it's my plan to take lots of pictures of her and send them to tempt them. They live in Michigan (I live in Nebraska), so travel would not be difficult to arrange. As for the name, it still hasn't come to me. The drink was just a Vox vodka with diet 7-up and a splash of sweet/sour mix. Vox, fox, foxy? Maybe. I know it will come to me. Also, I'm kind of a sentimental person (sometimes), and I can't help but thinking that fate sent baby to us since we just lost our own (3rd loss for us). So, although I want to keep this post to cat issues, I can't help but think that it was more than coincidence that brought us together. I'll try to post some pictures of baby tomorrow. Melissa _
RE: OT: RE: new kitty, fingers crossed
Melissa -- I'm glad domestic peace prevails and Penelope has taken to the litter box! Good luck on her continued assimilation! Diane R. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Melissa Lind Sent: Friday, September 07, 2007 8:54 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: OT: RE: new kitty, fingers crossed Yes, hubby noticed the new addition (Penelope) yesterday and was upset, frustrated, anxious, but after a day at work, he came home and was fine. He's now interested in her, and he can chuckle at my plotting and scheming. He does appreciate my compassion even though it might stress him out at times. He was surprised to learn how long we'd had the kitten (albeit at the vet's office) since I can't keep a secret. She's so small, he really can't be angry for long-plus, how could he be angry when I'd cooked all his favorite foods?! :-) It's amazing what food can do! Penelope is getting braver every day. She's following me around now, and after cleaning up about 8 piles of runny poo, she's now figured out the litter box. I think she knew what it was, but didn't want to intrude on the other cats' territory. I moved a litter box to the poo area (luckily it was on linoleum), sprinkled dirt on the top, and mixed in some other cats' poo, and she went right away! Yea! I was near tears from all the poos I had to clean-very afraid that she wouldn't learn-but all has worked out smoothly. Melissa From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of catatonya Sent: Friday, September 07, 2007 2:29 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: OT: RE: new kitty, fingers crossed Melissa, I'm so sorry for your losses. After all you've been through your hubby should let you keep a little kitten for a while. Shouldn't he??? t Melissa Lind [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, here's the update: first of all, for those of you who might remember, I mentioned being in the family way a while back, so you might be concerned about my alcohol intake. I guess I didn't mention that we lost the baby :-(. Not that I want to burden you guys with personal stuff, but for those who were scratching their heads and wondering what kind of person I was Anyway, I was so excited to have a couple come over to the house this weekend to look at our foster kitties. After meeting the two kitties at our house, it seemed that they wanted to take baby kitty (as yet unnamed) from the vets' office sight unseen. That sounded great! Alas, baby kitty is still at the vets'. I'll pick her up today after work. My husband still doesn't know about this kitty. I think I'll just bring her home and when he returns from out of town tomorrow, I'll just wait until he notices the baby running around and blame it on a spay/neuter gone bad (our cats are multiplying!). The people who were interested in her might take her at Thanksgiving time (when they return). In the meantime, it's my plan to take lots of pictures of her and send them to tempt them. They live in Michigan (I live in Nebraska), so travel would not be difficult to arrange. As for the name, it still hasn't come to me. The drink was just a Vox vodka with diet 7-up and a splash of sweet/sour mix. Vox, fox, foxy? Maybe. I know it will come to me. Also, I'm kind of a sentimental person (sometimes), and I can't help but thinking that fate sent baby to us since we just lost our own (3rd loss for us). So, although I want to keep this post to cat issues, I can't help but think that it was more than coincidence that brought us together. I'll try to post some pictures of baby tomorrow. Melissa This electronic mail transmission and any attachments are confidential and may be privileged. They should be read or retained only by the intended recipient. If you have received this transmission in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the transmission from your system. In addition, in order to comply with Treasury Circular 230, we are required to inform you that unless we have specifically stated to the contrary in writing, any advice we provide in this email or any attachment concerning federal tax issues or submissions is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, to avoid federal tax penalties.
RE: Slightly OT: Thanks; new kitty
Dede, I'm so sorry to hear about Jim. Hugs to you. I'm sure Jim is happily playing at the Bridge. Diane R. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of dede hicken Sent: Friday, September 07, 2007 6:42 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Slightly OT: Thanks; new kitty Megan, I am very sorry for your loss of Olive. I haven't been on the computer as much, and i missed her passing. My beautiful long haired orange boy, Jim had cancer, and we PTS 2 wks ago...I know how you feel. About the new kitty. In doing rescue work, we HAVE soon adult cats that look like 6 mo old. Actually, my Madonna who is deaf, and left at the colony we were feeding is very small. I was very surprised when I took the kitten to the vet and he said she was at least 2 yrs old. I do think that if they do not get the right nourishment during their prime growth period, they may be stunted in growth. Do get her tested right away, and the best of luck to you all. Dede --- Megan Heikkinen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: First off, I want to thank all of you for your condolences. I miss Olive, but I am doing much better. Although it hurts and sometimes I question myself, I think I did the right thing. I couldn't stand seeing her suffering. And now there is a new kitty in the household. I am by no means trying to replace Olive, because that would be impossible. My mom's new neighbors had this little kitten that they didn't take care of, and so my mom was letting her stay inside. Stepdad won't let her keep it, so she sorta kinda pushes it on me... My roommate decides to take her, because her cat is way back in New Jersey and she wants her own kitty. So, the little kitty is in her room for now, because I do not want to take any chance whatsoever of getting my cats sick. Although, this thing is slightly malnourished and dirty, and my guess is that it's probably FeLV-negative, otherwise it probably wouldn't still be alive. Still, I want to take precautions. Here's the weird thing about this cat: It's very very small, and at first glance looks like a small kitten. However, it's got the proportions of an adult cat. It's so strange. She looks like a miniature cat. Could her growth have been stunted, perhaps? Or do some kittens just turn out that way? I want to get her tested ASAP, so she isn't stuck by herself in a tiny room, but I have no idea how old she is. Size-wise, she looks maybe a month or so, but if it IS possible her growth was stunted The vet techs told me that you can't really tell if they're positive or negative until around 4 months, but I don't want to keep her cooped up in my roommate's room for the next few months. -Megan When you are in the service of your fellow beings, you are only in the service of your God Mosiah 2:17 Take the Internet to Go: Yahoo!Go puts the Internet in your pocket: mail, news, photos more. http://mobile.yahoo.com/go?refer=1GNXIC This electronic mail transmission and any attachments are confidential and may be privileged. They should be read or retained only by the intended recipient. If you have received this transmission in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the transmission from your system. In addition, in order to comply with Treasury Circular 230, we are required to inform you that unless we have specifically stated to the contrary in writing, any advice we provide in this email or any attachment concerning federal tax issues or submissions is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, to avoid federal tax penalties.
Re: Slightly OT: Thanks; new kitty
Megan, I am very sorry for your loss of Olive. I haven't been on the computer as much, and i missed her passing. My beautiful long haired orange boy, Jim had cancer, and we PTS 2 wks ago...I know how you feel. About the new kitty. In doing rescue work, we HAVE soon adult cats that look like 6 mo old. Actually, my Madonna who is deaf, and left at the colony we were feeding is very small. I was very surprised when I took the kitten to the vet and he said she was at least 2 yrs old. I do think that if they do not get the right nourishment during their prime growth period, they may be stunted in growth. Do get her tested right away, and the best of luck to you all. Dede --- Megan Heikkinen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: First off, I want to thank all of you for your condolences. I miss Olive, but I am doing much better. Although it hurts and sometimes I question myself, I think I did the right thing. I couldn't stand seeing her suffering. And now there is a new kitty in the household. I am by no means trying to replace Olive, because that would be impossible. My mom's new neighbors had this little kitten that they didn't take care of, and so my mom was letting her stay inside. Stepdad won't let her keep it, so she sorta kinda pushes it on me... My roommate decides to take her, because her cat is way back in New Jersey and she wants her own kitty. So, the little kitty is in her room for now, because I do not want to take any chance whatsoever of getting my cats sick. Although, this thing is slightly malnourished and dirty, and my guess is that it's probably FeLV-negative, otherwise it probably wouldn't still be alive. Still, I want to take precautions. Here's the weird thing about this cat: It's very very small, and at first glance looks like a small kitten. However, it's got the proportions of an adult cat. It's so strange. She looks like a miniature cat. Could her growth have been stunted, perhaps? Or do some kittens just turn out that way? I want to get her tested ASAP, so she isn't stuck by herself in a tiny room, but I have no idea how old she is. Size-wise, she looks maybe a month or so, but if it IS possible her growth was stunted The vet techs told me that you can't really tell if they're positive or negative until around 4 months, but I don't want to keep her cooped up in my roommate's room for the next few months. -Megan When you are in the service of your fellow beings, you are only in the service of your God Mosiah 2:17 Take the Internet to Go: Yahoo!Go puts the Internet in your pocket: mail, news, photos more. http://mobile.yahoo.com/go?refer=1GNXIC
Re: This is pretty interesting-testing shelter cats
We would find rescue for them, most of the time. Very few tested pos., and they always went to live w/ Dr. Mrs.Smith, my vet, when they did. I am beginning to agree w/you, it might not be such a bad idea if adopters were educated properly. Interesting discussion. Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent - Original Message - From: catatonya To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, September 07, 2007 1:29 AM Subject: Re: This is pretty interesting-testing shelter cats What does your shelter do with cats who test positive? Most shelters combo test and euthanize any positives. Furthermore, in a shelter situation, it is highly likely that a cat can test negative, but later test positive anyway, and vice versa. I think the responsible thing to do is to have the new guardian test the cat and make a decision to return it or keep it if it comes up positive. They should be educated about the fact that the test is highly susceptible until it is confirmed in 3 months. Either way. The way testing is done now cats are routinely euthanized who are probably not even positive. And people take home cats satisfied that their cats are negative when they are in fact positive. t Susan Dubose [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I used to work in a shelter too, and we did not test to cull the cats. We tested because it was the responsible thing to do. Yes, I understand that they can test pos. later after an exposure,but if I adopted a cat /kitten from the shelter and brought it home, and introduced it to my geriatric cat or one of of my immune compromised cats, and it turned out to be pos. due to the shelter not testing it (I am thinking in terms of people who are not knowledgeable), and it exposed my cats to felv., I would be one.pissed ..off..B. And I don't want to hear that it's not that contagious, I have a cat that this happened to from a hoarding house. It's irresponsible for a shelter not to test the cats /kittens prior to adoption, so that the shelter / potential adopters know what they are dealing with. Why would you not test the cats? That's more irresponsible than not testing a dog for heartworms. Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent
Re: Slightly OT: Thanks; new kitty
Megan, Nice to hear from you. Good luck to you and your kitties! Glenda --- Megan Heikkinen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: First off, I want to thank all of you for your condolences. I miss Olive, but I am doing much better. Although it hurts and sometimes I question myself, I think I did the right thing. I couldn't stand seeing her suffering. And now there is a new kitty in the household. I am by no means trying to replace Olive, because that would be impossible. My mom's new neighbors had this little kitten that they didn't take care of, and so my mom was letting her stay inside. Stepdad won't let her keep it, so she sorta kinda pushes it on me... My roommate decides to take her, because her cat is way back in New Jersey and she wants her own kitty. So, the little kitty is in her room for now, because I do not want to take any chance whatsoever of getting my cats sick. Although, this thing is slightly malnourished and dirty, and my guess is that it's probably FeLV-negative, otherwise it probably wouldn't still be alive. Still, I want to take precautions. Here's the weird thing about this cat: It's very very small, and at first glance looks like a small kitten. However, it's got the proportions of an adult cat. It's so strange. She looks like a miniature cat. Could her growth have been stunted, perhaps? Or do some kittens just turn out that way? I want to get her tested ASAP, so she isn't stuck by herself in a tiny room, but I have no idea how old she is. Size-wise, she looks maybe a month or so, but if it IS possible her growth was stunted The vet techs told me that you can't really tell if they're positive or negative until around 4 months, but I don't want to keep her cooped up in my roommate's room for the next few months. -Megan Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! Play Monopoly Here and Now (it's updated for today's economy) at Yahoo! Games. http://get.games.yahoo.com/proddesc?gamekey=monopolyherenow
RE: Slightly OT: Thanks; new kitty
Melissa, You are a sweetheart! I wish you and every kitty you encounter the best of everything. I'm proud and grateful to know you actually live in Nebraska! Together, we will hold down the state! I think it goes, without saying, when your heart breaks, I can feel it here. You just take care of yourself. Your husband sounds like a very nice and special person. You obviously have a very dear and loving relationship. Love from, Glenda, Feeto, Bruno, Dingo,Velcro, Gracie, little Boy and Little Girl. I still have not named the last two...And it IS, my last two. Really! Glenda --- Melissa Lind [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Congrats Megan on the new kitty! Yes, of course no kitty could replace Olive, but I think it's wonderful that you and your roommate are so caring and understanding! I have a kitty that is not old, but she's just disproportional. She's about a year old. I got her in April--rescued from eating out of a dumpster--so she was very malnourished. Her body is much bigger than I would expect her head to be. She's cute, but not a cat that you would call beautiful--I tell her that she's beautiful inside! Have you named the little one? My suggestion would be to get it to the vet for wormer, ear mites, etc. and see how old he/she is. Best of luck! Melissa -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Megan Heikkinen Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 10:04 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Slightly OT: Thanks; new kitty First off, I want to thank all of you for your condolences. I miss Olive, but I am doing much better. Although it hurts and sometimes I question myself, I think I did the right thing. I couldn't stand seeing her suffering. And now there is a new kitty in the household. I am by no means trying to replace Olive, because that would be impossible. My mom's new neighbors had this little kitten that they didn't take care of, and so my mom was letting her stay inside. Stepdad won't let her keep it, so she sorta kinda pushes it on me... My roommate decides to take her, because her cat is way back in New Jersey and she wants her own kitty. So, the little kitty is in her room for now, because I do not want to take any chance whatsoever of getting my cats sick. Although, this thing is slightly malnourished and dirty, and my guess is that it's probably FeLV-negative, otherwise it probably wouldn't still be alive. Still, I want to take precautions. Here's the weird thing about this cat: It's very very small, and at first glance looks like a small kitten. However, it's got the proportions of an adult cat. It's so strange. She looks like a miniature cat. Could her growth have been stunted, perhaps? Or do some kittens just turn out that way? I want to get her tested ASAP, so she isn't stuck by herself in a tiny room, but I have no idea how old she is. Size-wise, she looks maybe a month or so, but if it IS possible her growth was stunted The vet techs told me that you can't really tell if they're positive or negative until around 4 months, but I don't want to keep her cooped up in my roommate's room for the next few months. -Megan Shape Yahoo! in your own image. Join our Network Research Panel today! http://surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/yahoo_panel_invite.asp?a=7
Re: Ear Cleaner for Kittens
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RE: Slightly OT: Thanks; new kitty
Thanks Glenda! I appreciate the support. Yes, it sometimes feels as though we're alone as animal-lovers in this state. With you in the West, me in the East, we're bound to make a difference state-wide! :) Good luck naming the last two--make sure you knock on wood when you say that they are really the last! Ha Ha! Famous last words as they say... Melissa -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of glenda Goodman Sent: Friday, September 07, 2007 9:36 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: Slightly OT: Thanks; new kitty Melissa, You are a sweetheart! I wish you and every kitty you encounter the best of everything. I'm proud and grateful to know you actually live in Nebraska! Together, we will hold down the state! I think it goes, without saying, when your heart breaks, I can feel it here. You just take care of yourself. Your husband sounds like a very nice and special person. You obviously have a very dear and loving relationship. Love from, Glenda, Feeto, Bruno, Dingo,Velcro, Gracie, little Boy and Little Girl. I still have not named the last two...And it IS, my last two. Really! Glenda --- Melissa Lind [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Congrats Megan on the new kitty! Yes, of course no kitty could replace Olive, but I think it's wonderful that you and your roommate are so caring and understanding! I have a kitty that is not old, but she's just disproportional. She's about a year old. I got her in April--rescued from eating out of a dumpster--so she was very malnourished. Her body is much bigger than I would expect her head to be. She's cute, but not a cat that you would call beautiful--I tell her that she's beautiful inside! Have you named the little one? My suggestion would be to get it to the vet for wormer, ear mites, etc. and see how old he/she is. Best of luck! Melissa -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Megan Heikkinen Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 10:04 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Slightly OT: Thanks; new kitty First off, I want to thank all of you for your condolences. I miss Olive, but I am doing much better. Although it hurts and sometimes I question myself, I think I did the right thing. I couldn't stand seeing her suffering. And now there is a new kitty in the household. I am by no means trying to replace Olive, because that would be impossible. My mom's new neighbors had this little kitten that they didn't take care of, and so my mom was letting her stay inside. Stepdad won't let her keep it, so she sorta kinda pushes it on me... My roommate decides to take her, because her cat is way back in New Jersey and she wants her own kitty. So, the little kitty is in her room for now, because I do not want to take any chance whatsoever of getting my cats sick. Although, this thing is slightly malnourished and dirty, and my guess is that it's probably FeLV-negative, otherwise it probably wouldn't still be alive. Still, I want to take precautions. Here's the weird thing about this cat: It's very very small, and at first glance looks like a small kitten. However, it's got the proportions of an adult cat. It's so strange. She looks like a miniature cat. Could her growth have been stunted, perhaps? Or do some kittens just turn out that way? I want to get her tested ASAP, so she isn't stuck by herself in a tiny room, but I have no idea how old she is. Size-wise, she looks maybe a month or so, but if it IS possible her growth was stunted The vet techs told me that you can't really tell if they're positive or negative until around 4 months, but I don't want to keep her cooped up in my roommate's room for the next few months. -Megan Shape Yahoo! in your own image. Join our Network Research Panel today! http://surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/yahoo_panel_invite.asp?a=7
RE: Slightly OT: Thanks; new kitty
Thank you, Diane. Jim was quite a cat. He liked to flirt with disaster. When he was a kitten, a neighbor kid said they found him in a box on the RR tracks. That is how we got him 10 yrs ago, we was shut in the neighbor's garage door. He lived, and had a paralyzed leg for awhile. Pretty soon he was back to smacking everyone. Then, he got shut in the dryer...long story, but he lived through that too! He started loosing weight last yr. We never could pin point the exact cause. The last time we took him to the vet, they felt masses in his kidney and spleen. He also had a severe heart arythmia. So, after 14 yrs of companionship, we let him go. He always thought he was all that so I'm sure someone at the bridge will have to have a talk with him!!! Dede --- Rosenfeldt, Diane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dede, I'm so sorry to hear about Jim. Hugs to you. I'm sure Jim is happily playing at the Bridge. Diane R. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of dede hicken Sent: Friday, September 07, 2007 6:42 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Slightly OT: Thanks; new kitty Megan, I am very sorry for your loss of Olive. I haven't been on the computer as much, and i missed her passing. My beautiful long haired orange boy, Jim had cancer, and we PTS 2 wks ago...I know how you feel. About the new kitty. In doing rescue work, we HAVE soon adult cats that look like 6 mo old. Actually, my Madonna who is deaf, and left at the colony we were feeding is very small. I was very surprised when I took the kitten to the vet and he said she was at least 2 yrs old. I do think that if they do not get the right nourishment during their prime growth period, they may be stunted in growth. Do get her tested right away, and the best of luck to you all. Dede --- Megan Heikkinen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: First off, I want to thank all of you for your condolences. I miss Olive, but I am doing much better. Although it hurts and sometimes I question myself, I think I did the right thing. I couldn't stand seeing her suffering. And now there is a new kitty in the household. I am by no means trying to replace Olive, because that would be impossible. My mom's new neighbors had this little kitten that they didn't take care of, and so my mom was letting her stay inside. Stepdad won't let her keep it, so she sorta kinda pushes it on me... My roommate decides to take her, because her cat is way back in New Jersey and she wants her own kitty. So, the little kitty is in her room for now, because I do not want to take any chance whatsoever of getting my cats sick. Although, this thing is slightly malnourished and dirty, and my guess is that it's probably FeLV-negative, otherwise it probably wouldn't still be alive. Still, I want to take precautions. Here's the weird thing about this cat: It's very very small, and at first glance looks like a small kitten. However, it's got the proportions of an adult cat. It's so strange. She looks like a miniature cat. Could her growth have been stunted, perhaps? Or do some kittens just turn out that way? I want to get her tested ASAP, so she isn't stuck by herself in a tiny room, but I have no idea how old she is. Size-wise, she looks maybe a month or so, but if it IS possible her growth was stunted The vet techs told me that you can't really tell if they're positive or negative until around 4 months, but I don't want to keep her cooped up in my roommate's room for the next few months. -Megan When you are in the service of your fellow beings, you are only in the service of your God Mosiah 2:17 Take the Internet to Go: Yahoo!Go puts the Internet in your pocket: mail, news, photos more. http://mobile.yahoo.com/go?refer=1GNXIC This electronic mail transmission and any attachments are confidential and may be privileged. They should be read or retained only by the intended recipient. If you have received this transmission in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the transmission from your system. In addition, in order to comply with Treasury Circular 230, we are required to inform you that unless we have specifically stated to the contrary in writing, any advice we provide in this email or any attachment concerning federal tax issues or submissions is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, to avoid federal tax penalties. When you are in the service of your fellow beings, you are only in the service of your God Mosiah 2:17 Looking for a deal?
RE: Slightly OT: Thanks; new kitty
Dede, Sounds like Jim was amazing! I can't believe all his mishaps! Wow! What a character! Thinking of you... Melisssa -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of dede hicken Sent: Friday, September 07, 2007 10:49 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: Slightly OT: Thanks; new kitty Thank you, Diane. Jim was quite a cat. He liked to flirt with disaster. When he was a kitten, a neighbor kid said they found him in a box on the RR tracks. That is how we got him 10 yrs ago, we was shut in the neighbor's garage door. He lived, and had a paralyzed leg for awhile. Pretty soon he was back to smacking everyone. Then, he got shut in the dryer...long story, but he lived through that too! He started loosing weight last yr. We never could pin point the exact cause. The last time we took him to the vet, they felt masses in his kidney and spleen. He also had a severe heart arythmia. So, after 14 yrs of companionship, we let him go. He always thought he was all that so I'm sure someone at the bridge will have to have a talk with him!!! Dede --- Rosenfeldt, Diane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dede, I'm so sorry to hear about Jim. Hugs to you. I'm sure Jim is happily playing at the Bridge. Diane R. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of dede hicken Sent: Friday, September 07, 2007 6:42 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Slightly OT: Thanks; new kitty Megan, I am very sorry for your loss of Olive. I haven't been on the computer as much, and i missed her passing. My beautiful long haired orange boy, Jim had cancer, and we PTS 2 wks ago...I know how you feel. About the new kitty. In doing rescue work, we HAVE soon adult cats that look like 6 mo old. Actually, my Madonna who is deaf, and left at the colony we were feeding is very small. I was very surprised when I took the kitten to the vet and he said she was at least 2 yrs old. I do think that if they do not get the right nourishment during their prime growth period, they may be stunted in growth. Do get her tested right away, and the best of luck to you all. Dede --- Megan Heikkinen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: First off, I want to thank all of you for your condolences. I miss Olive, but I am doing much better. Although it hurts and sometimes I question myself, I think I did the right thing. I couldn't stand seeing her suffering. And now there is a new kitty in the household. I am by no means trying to replace Olive, because that would be impossible. My mom's new neighbors had this little kitten that they didn't take care of, and so my mom was letting her stay inside. Stepdad won't let her keep it, so she sorta kinda pushes it on me... My roommate decides to take her, because her cat is way back in New Jersey and she wants her own kitty. So, the little kitty is in her room for now, because I do not want to take any chance whatsoever of getting my cats sick. Although, this thing is slightly malnourished and dirty, and my guess is that it's probably FeLV-negative, otherwise it probably wouldn't still be alive. Still, I want to take precautions. Here's the weird thing about this cat: It's very very small, and at first glance looks like a small kitten. However, it's got the proportions of an adult cat. It's so strange. She looks like a miniature cat. Could her growth have been stunted, perhaps? Or do some kittens just turn out that way? I want to get her tested ASAP, so she isn't stuck by herself in a tiny room, but I have no idea how old she is. Size-wise, she looks maybe a month or so, but if it IS possible her growth was stunted The vet techs told me that you can't really tell if they're positive or negative until around 4 months, but I don't want to keep her cooped up in my roommate's room for the next few months. -Megan When you are in the service of your fellow beings, you are only in the service of your God Mosiah 2:17 Take the Internet to Go: Yahoo!Go puts the Internet in your pocket: mail, news, photos more. http://mobile.yahoo.com/go?refer=1GNXIC This electronic mail transmission and any attachments are confidential and may be privileged. They should be read or retained only by the intended recipient. If you have received this transmission in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the transmission from your system. In addition, in order to comply with Treasury Circular 230, we are required to inform you that unless we have specifically stated to the contrary in writing, any advice we provide in this email or any attachment concerning federal tax issues or submissions
OT: update on sick kittens, questions about URIs, etc
Well, I still have 4 kittens in crates at my (tiny) house, and then my one year old Foster cat Izzee. One of the kittens, a grey and white male, was supposed to leave last night to go "on display" at the store, but d*mned if he didn't come down the sneezing, running nose, water eyes! Urgh. I wish I could have isolated him when he first came to my, but by then, he'd already been mingled with the other kittens already suffering URIs and already completely exposed. Plus he'd been at this volunteer's house running loose with all the other kittens and adult cats with chronic URIs so there was probably nothing I could dostill, I feel bad. So now I have 4 kittens all on Amoxy and getting a triple antibiotic in their eyes (which I am almost out of so I ordered some tubes of artificial tear rinse and Terramycin online). My little Yoda (the first on I got last Sat.) is so much better, but yesterday he seemed to have a set back. He's really snotty. And it gets worse when I let him out to play with Izzee because he gets out of breath, so I limit his time. Everyone is eating like complete pigs; drinking water and are all pooing and peeing a TON- I can barely keep up! I like to take the poo out immediately because the little rascals lay in it if I don't...but it's hard to keep up! Ears: currently I am using a mixture of organic vegetable oil and organic distilled white vinegar (per Tad's general suggestion). I didn't have measurements so I mixed it into an empty pill bottle and I did 2/3 vegetable oil andless than a1/3 vinegar (rough estimate). It seems to work good at loosening the wax and getting it to come up to the outer ear, where I can work on getting it out later. Only thing is their poor little fur around their head/ears gets greasy! I do wipe them with wet wipes afterwards- I am also still working on getting rid of the "smell" they had on them from that volunteer's house. I did find the ear solution my vet had me use on Monkee's excessively waxy (way down in the canal) ears-- Malacetic Otic- online, so I ordered a bottle. But I will stick to the oil/vinegar concoction for now while their ears are so bad. I found out more about them: apparently they are all "orphans" from our Metro Animal Control that were going to be euthanized, but Metro called the volunteer for this group and she went and got them; took them to her house and mingled them with her already out of control, arguably sickly adult population. So, they just have so many strikes against them: losing their mothers too young (when they should still be nursing and getting those antibodies); and they also went to Metro-- which is bad for any cat, much less a kitten. That, in and of itself, could have killed them just because of the disease exposure. Now for the questions: how long can they suffer from these URIs? Is there at point at which, even tho they are eating, etc., but they are still sneezing and snotty, that they need to see a vet? Is it possible some need a different antibiotic? How will I know when it's time to see the Vet? As of tomorrow night, Yoda will have been on Amoxy for 7 days... How can you tell which virus is causing the URI symptoms? I read that feline herpes can cause it and I am thinking they may have this? What can I do to help them? I have been trying to load them up with Colostrum, but wasn't sure how much kittens this size (2.4 lbs and up) can get? I have also been giving L-Lysine since I fear feline herpes, but didn't know a dosage for that either? And finally, my foster cat Izzee has had her vaccinations (she was an owner surrender to Metro so I have her records); also she spent time in Metro, mixed with the general pop (even tho she wasn't supposed to be); she was treated with the nasal spray to protect her before she went in. But I am still kind of worried about her with these sickly kittens...? Especially since I am suspecting feline herpes? Should I be concerned? The only one she has mingled with is Yoda because I got him 1st and thought (ha!) he'd be the only one; now they are used to each other andlike to play together- it's really improved Izzee's behavior; the other ones stay in their crates unless I bring them out to treat, cuddle, or I put them on the front porch (without Izzee) for play time. I don't mix them with Izzee. She doesn't seem interested in any of them other than Yoda and in fact, she has hissed at the larger, extremely wild B/W male. I'm just new to this and need some advice! Thanks, Caroline Kick back and relax with hot games and cool activities at the Messenger Café.
Re: Ear Cleaner for Kittens
Nix the alcohol. It is irritating to their already inflamed ears. Stick with mineral oil or olive oil. And be gentle. Their ears HURT! t Caroline Kaufmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes. Even that sounds better. I just don't want to be using some solution that is 100% rubbing alcohol that cost $10 +!!! I might try the mix of alcohol and vinegar... thanks, caroline - From: Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Ear Cleaner for Kittens Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2007 14:52:43 -0500 Really? My vet tech told me to use a solution of 1/2 rubbing alcohol, 1/2 vinegar... On 9/5/07, Caroline Kaufmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I know- I worry about the OTC cleaners sold at the pet store. That's why I liked the stuff given to me by Monkee's vet b/c it was the same Rx med my mom used for her problem ears. And I read the ingredients and it's NOT alcohol! Which, I believe most of the OTC cleaners are (what I call the old school blue colored cleaner-- I think it's practically all rubbing alcohol- and Monkee's vet would have killed me before he let me use that in Monk's wax-plagued ears!). And while I clean my own ears with rubbing alcohol, I just don't want to use anything too harsh on these little stressed babies. I am sure I stressed them a tad too much last night with the initial ear cleaning, so I'd like to give them a break a little. Plus, I don't know what all is going on in the one kitten's ear (the worst one)- it could be more than just mites (I need to get a better look once I get it cleared out more), so until I determine it's time to head to the vet, I don't want to the treatment to be worse that the disease. -Caroline From: Kat [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: Ear Cleaner for Kittens Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2007 15:38:54 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) Good for you Caroline! You can also try mineral oil - put half an eyedropperful in each ear, mush it around (technical term here) by massaging around the outside of the ears and then let them shake it out or mop it up with a cotton ball. Don't use any essential oils (bad for cats) and be careful if you have any over the counter ear cleaning solutions - even those made for pets. I got some pre-moistened ear cleaning pads from Drs Foster Smith only to find out it contains salicylic acid (a derivative of aspirin) which is also a no-no for cats. sigh Kat (Mew Jersey) On Wed, 5 Sep 2007, Rosenfeldt, Diane wrote: Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2007 14:26:17 -0500 From: Rosenfeldt, Diane [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: Ear Cleaner for Kittens Yay for you, Caroline! How about starting with olive oil and see how that does? That's the sweet oil used to clean human ears (as I discovered long after investing in a teeny bottle of sweet oil ;-)). Diane R. Can you find the hidden words? Take a break and play Seekadoo! -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help George! http://rescuties.chipin.com/george I GoodSearch for Rescuties. Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching the Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com - powered by Yahoo! - Get a FREE small business Web site and more from Microsoft® Office Live!
Re: Ear Cleaner for Kittens
Alcohol can irritate their (already raw) ears. I've used mineral oil in the past, but someone told me olive oil is even better. I've never heard of using vinegar. t Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Really? My vet tech told me to use a solution of 1/2 rubbing alcohol, 1/2 vinegar... On 9/5/07, Caroline Kaufmann wrote: I know- I worry about the OTC cleaners sold at the pet store. That's why I liked the stuff given to me by Monkee's vet b/c it was the same Rx med my mom used for her problem ears. And I read the ingredients and it's NOT alcohol! Which, I believe most of the OTC cleaners are (what I call the old school blue colored cleaner-- I think it's practically all rubbing alcohol- and Monkee's vet would have killed me before he let me use that in Monk's wax-plagued ears!). And while I clean my own ears with rubbing alcohol, I just don't want to use anything too harsh on these little stressed babies. I am sure I stressed them a tad too much last night with the initial ear cleaning, so I'd like to give them a break a little. Plus, I don't know what all is going on in the one kitten's ear (the worst one)- it could be more than just mites (I need to get a better look once I get it cleared out more), so until I determine it's time to head to the vet, I don't want to the treatment to be worse that the disease. -Caroline From: Kat Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: Ear Cleaner for Kittens Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2007 15:38:54 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) Good for you Caroline! You can also try mineral oil - put half an eyedropperful in each ear, mush it around (technical term here) by massaging around the outside of the ears and then let them shake it out or mop it up with a cotton ball. Don't use any essential oils (bad for cats) and be careful if you have any over the counter ear cleaning solutions - even those made for pets. I got some pre-moistened ear cleaning pads from Drs Foster Smith only to find out it contains salicylic acid (a derivative of aspirin) which is also a no-no for cats. Kat (Mew Jersey) On Wed, 5 Sep 2007, Rosenfeldt, Diane wrote: Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2007 14:26:17 -0500 From: Rosenfeldt, Diane Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: Ear Cleaner for Kittens Yay for you, Caroline! How about starting with olive oil and see how that does? That's the sweet oil used to clean human ears (as I discovered long after investing in a teeny bottle of sweet oil ;-)). Diane R. Can you find the hidden words? Take a break and play Seekadoo! -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help George! http://rescuties.chipin.com/george I GoodSearch for Rescuties. Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching the Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com - powered by Yahoo!
Re: This is pretty interesting-testing in shelters
I think they should vaccinate and then educate the public that there is a risk of exposure to the virus. They can test at that point, but should be sure to let the people know it's a very invalid test at that point having the cat just coming out of a shelter situation and that they won't truly know if their cat is positive or negative until 3 months or so. t Susan Dubose [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, I read the article,and their biggest reason was the cost. It's irresponsible to not test a cat prior to adoption, if nothing else, you will know it was neg/ neg @ the time of testing,can be retested later. So,if you are adopting out cats and charging a fee, what exactly would the fee cover, besides surgery,(if even that?). Do you (not YOU Kelly) just say, Well,folks, here is your kitty, it may or may not have felv or fiv. We wouldn't know because we don't test for that here. Feel free to have your new cat tested though. Oh, and if it comes up positive you can talk to your vet about options? I know when I helped w/ the Bexar county SPCA rescue, they only tested for felv, not fiv, to save money. Their reason was that they did not see very much fiv. That doesn't bother me. Not testing for felv bothers me. Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent - Original Message - From: Kelley Saveika To: Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2007 10:57 AM Subject: Re: This is pretty interesting On 9/4/07, Susan Dubose wrote: It's irresponsible for a shelter not to test the cats /kittens prior to adoption, so that the shelter / potential adopters know what they are dealing with. Why would you not test the cats? That's more irresponsible than not testing a dog for heartworms. Hi Susan, If you read the article, they have several reasons - and remember they are primarily talking about shelters, not rescues:) I'll just post it here, in the interest of time. Also, Alley Cat Allies advocates not testing asymptomatic feral cats. Response from Susan Cosby: I am really glad that you asked this question! You have hit on an issue that is close to my heart. I worked at a shelter where we killed a few visibly healthy cats who tested positive and that just didn't seem right. Since that time, I've learned a lot and now I am in a position to set policy and that policy is: Say no to mass testing. I used to say that FIV/FeLV testing is an expensive, labor intensive and inhumane method used to cull cats from animal shelters and feral cat colonies that must be stopped. That answer didn't make me many friends in the sheltering world so now I say: I can save your shelter thousands of dollars, free up your staff to spend more time caring for animals, save more lives and generate revenue for your veterinary services! That seems to get people to listen to me more than the first answer. You might want to try the same tactic when speaking with your local shelter and I am going to provide you with the ammunition you need to make the argument. Any organization that is committed to saving animal lives must cease the practice of mass testing for feline leukemia virus (FeLV) and feline immunodeficiency virus (FIV). Simply put: the volume of cats entering the sheltering system in almost every community in America is at a crisis level. Testing places an undue burden on both the health of the cats and kittens in the shelter and the resources available to the shelter and the community. A low percentage of cats testing positive (1 2.5%), a high rate of false positive results in visibly healthy kittens (up to 50%), and a low percentage of cats that are diagnosed as positive with FIV who go on to develop symptoms (around 10%), clearly demonstrate that these resources, be they financial or otherwise, would best be spent to provide low and no-cost spay and neuter services or other immediately effective lifesaving programs. This philosophy is shared by prominent organizations such as the Oregon Humane Society, Neighborhood Cats and the Philadelphia Animal Welfare Society and by smaller local organizations including the Animal Welfare Association in New Jersey. The Oregon Humane Society, who ended mass testing for FeLV in 2001 clearly outlined the drawbacks of this type of testing in a written response about their organization's policy: Testing every cat increased the time a cat spent in the shelter's holding kennel: Drawing blood and performing a feline leukemia test on an average of 30 to 50 cats per day took two employees up to four hours to complete and document. Less than one percent of the cats were testing positive. Testing caused an enormous delay in getting cats out for adoption; making them more susceptible to illness (such as upper respiratory infection or URI). The staff time, low rate of positive results, and
Re: Slightly OT: Thanks; new kitty
Hi Megan, Yes, her growth could have been stunted due to malnourishment. You alsomight want the vet tolook @ her, and if he thinks she is tiny also, a blood panel should be done to see how her liver is functioning. This will show if she has a liver shunt. I alsohad a foster kitten that was very rare, she never grew passed 2.5 lbs.,even @ 2 years old. After many tests, () we found out she had pituitary dwafism. Which means her pituitary gland was not working properly. However, after she passed away, we did an autopsy and discovered she actually was born w/o one. Little Miss Piper.. :) Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent - Original Message - From: Megan Heikkinen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 10:04 PM Subject: Slightly OT: Thanks; new kitty First off, I want to thank all of you for your condolences. I miss Olive, but I am doing much better. Although it hurts and sometimes I question myself, I think I did the right thing. I couldn't stand seeing her suffering. And now there is a new kitty in the household. I am by no means trying to replace Olive, because that would be impossible. My mom's new neighbors had this little kitten that they didn't take care of, and so my mom was letting her stay inside. Stepdad won't let her keep it, so she sorta kinda pushes it on me... My roommate decides to take her, because her cat is way back in New Jersey and she wants her own kitty. So, the little kitty is in her room for now, because I do not want to take any chance whatsoever of getting my cats sick. Although, this thing is slightly malnourished and dirty, and my guess is that it's probably FeLV-negative, otherwise it probably wouldn't still be alive. Still, I want to take precautions. Here's the weird thing about this cat: It's very very small, and at first glance looks like a small kitten. However, it's got the proportions of an adult cat. It's so strange. She looks like a miniature cat. Could her growth have been stunted, perhaps? Or do some kittens just turn out that way? I want to get her tested ASAP, so she isn't stuck by herself in a tiny room, but I have no idea how old she is. Size-wise, she looks maybe a month or so, but if it IS possible her growth was stunted The vet techs told me that you can't really tell if they're positive or negative until around 4 months, but I don't want to keep her cooped up in my roommate's room for the next few months. -Megan
RE: update on sick kittens, questions about URIs, etc
Caroline, Wonderful news about your household! You sure have your plate full right now with these little babies. I have no idea if there is a test for feline herpes, but my old vet suspected that Bandit has it. He gets a runny eye and the sneezes about twice a year. It runs its course and goes away. Angel never got it from him in the past 5 years. One of our foster cats had an eye problem in April. The vet suspected herpes again. During that time, our youngest, Smokey, also came down with it but in a milder form. It seems as though she caught it from the foster cat since she had no symptoms before. Ive asked the vets office for treatments, and theyve always told me to let it run its course. That was the old vets office. Now that Im at a new place that is much more cat-friendly, Im sure theyll give me something for the next outbreak. But, all-in-all, I only know what my vet has said in the past: Bandit probably has herpes, but it should only affect him a couple times a year (which it does). He doesnt seem to come down with it in times of high stress or anything like that. Seems like it happens more in the winter months. Hes never passed it on, but I think that another cat has. Id be interested to know what other people give their kitties since my old vet never suggested anything (in fact, suggested I dont do anything). Good luck with the poop, Carolinehope you have a lot of air fresheners! :-) Melissa _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Caroline Kaufmann Sent: Friday, September 07, 2007 11:56 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: OT: update on sick kittens, questions about URIs, etc Well, I still have 4 kittens in crates at my (tiny) house, and then my one year old Foster cat Izzee. One of the kittens, a grey and white male, was supposed to leave last night to go on display at the store, but d*mned if he didn't come down the sneezing, running nose, water eyes! Urgh. I wish I could have isolated him when he first came to my, but by then, he'd already been mingled with the other kittens already suffering URIs and already completely exposed. Plus he'd been at this volunteer's house running loose with all the other kittens and adult cats with chronic URIs so there was probably nothing I could dostill, I feel bad. So now I have 4 kittens all on Amoxy and getting a triple antibiotic in their eyes (which I am almost out of so I ordered some tubes of artificial tear rinse and Terramycin online). My little Yoda (the first on I got last Sat.) is so much better, but yesterday he seemed to have a set back. He's really snotty. And it gets worse when I let him out to play with Izzee because he gets out of breath, so I limit his time. Everyone is eating like complete pigs; drinking water and are all pooing and peeing a TON- I can barely keep up! I like to take the poo out immediately because the little rascals lay in it if I don't...but it's hard to keep up! Ears: currently I am using a mixture of organic vegetable oil and organic distilled white vinegar (per Tad's general suggestion). I didn't have measurements so I mixed it into an empty pill bottle and I did 2/3 vegetable oil and less than a 1/3 vinegar (rough estimate). It seems to work good at loosening the wax and getting it to come up to the outer ear, where I can work on getting it out later. Only thing is their poor little fur around their head/ears gets greasy! I do wipe them with wet wipes afterwards- I am also still working on getting rid of the smell they had on them from that volunteer's house. I did find the ear solution my vet had me use on Monkee's excessively waxy (way down in the canal) ears-- Malacetic Otic- online, so I ordered a bottle. But I will stick to the oil/vinegar concoction for now while their ears are so bad. I found out more about them: apparently they are all orphans from our Metro Animal Control that were going to be euthanized, but Metro called the volunteer for this group and she went and got them; took them to her house and mingled them with her already out of control, arguably sickly adult population. So, they just have so many strikes against them: losing their mothers too young (when they should still be nursing and getting those antibodies); and they also went to Metro-- which is bad for any cat, much less a kitten. That, in and of itself, could have killed them just because of the disease exposure. Now for the questions: how long can they suffer from these URIs? Is there at point at which, even tho they are eating, etc., but they are still sneezing and snotty, that they need to see a vet? Is it possible some need a different antibiotic? How will I know when it's time to see the Vet? As of tomorrow night, Yoda will have been on Amoxy for 7 days... How can you tell which virus is causing the URI symptoms? I read that feline herpes can cause it and I am thinking they may have this? What
Re: OT: update on sick kittens, questions about URIs, etc
They could certainly need another antibiotic. Sometimes amoxy just doesn't wipe it out. Clavamox is just amoxy with one other added ingredient. Our low cost spay/neuter clinic vet often prescribes cepahlexin if amoxy does not work. Zithromax is the antibiotic of last resort, but it will kill most stuff. I can't really tell you when it is time to see the vet. Since mine sees my guys for free, I probably take them in sooner than other people might. I have no idea how to tell which virus is causing the symptoms. I'm sure my vet could tell, but it would probably require testing of some expensive kind. I know this won't make you feel much better, but since URI is airborne, there's no way to REALLY isolate cats with URI inside an average home. My vet can isolate them because he has an isolation room with seperate airflow, but if you have a heating or a/c system or the room in which you are holding them isn't airtight, the virus is everywhere no matter what you do. I've had litters in seperate bathrooms on different floors and they both got uri because it was passing back and forth through the a/c system. Vaccinations protect against some of the worst virii - rhinotracheitis, calici, panleukopenia - there are hundreds of other things that cause URI. Most of them not serious. On 9/7/07, Caroline Kaufmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, I still have 4 kittens in crates at my (tiny) house, and then my one year old Foster cat Izzee. One of the kittens, a grey and white male, was supposed to leave last night to go on display at the store, but d*mned if he didn't come down the sneezing, running nose, water eyes! Urgh. I wish I could have isolated him when he first came to my, but by then, he'd already been mingled with the other kittens already suffering URIs and already completely exposed. Plus he'd been at this volunteer's house running loose with all the other kittens and adult cats with chronic URIs so there was probably nothing I could dostill, I feel bad. So now I have 4 kittens all on Amoxy and getting a triple antibiotic in their eyes (which I am almost out of so I ordered some tubes of artificial tear rinse and Terramycin online). My little Yoda (the first on I got last Sat.) is so much better, but yesterday he seemed to have a set back. He's really snotty. And it gets worse when I let him out to play with Izzee because he gets out of breath, so I limit his time. Everyone is eating like complete pigs; drinking water and are all pooing and peeing a TON- I can barely keep up! I like to take the poo out immediately because the little rascals lay in it if I don't...but it's hard to keep up! Ears: currently I am using a mixture of organic vegetable oil and organic distilled white vinegar (per Tad's general suggestion). I didn't have measurements so I mixed it into an empty pill bottle and I did 2/3 vegetable oil and less than a 1/3 vinegar (rough estimate). It seems to work good at loosening the wax and getting it to come up to the outer ear, where I can work on getting it out later. Only thing is their poor little fur around their head/ears gets greasy! I do wipe them with wet wipes afterwards- I am also still working on getting rid of the smell they had on them from that volunteer's house. I did find the ear solution my vet had me use on Monkee's excessively waxy (way down in the canal) ears-- Malacetic Otic- online, so I ordered a bottle. But I will stick to the oil/vinegar concoction for now while their ears are so bad. I found out more about them: apparently they are all orphans from our Metro Animal Control that were going to be euthanized, but Metro called the volunteer for this group and she went and got them; took them to her house and mingled them with her already out of control, arguably sickly adult population. So, they just have so many strikes against them: losing their mothers too young (when they should still be nursing and getting those antibodies); and they also went to Metro-- which is bad for any cat, much less a kitten. That, in and of itself, could have killed them just because of the disease exposure. Now for the questions: how long can they suffer from these URIs? Is there at point at which, even tho they are eating, etc., but they are still sneezing and snotty, that they need to see a vet? Is it possible some need a different antibiotic? How will I know when it's time to see the Vet? As of tomorrow night, Yoda will have been on Amoxy for 7 days... How can you tell which virus is causing the URI symptoms? I read that feline herpes can cause it and I am thinking they may have this? What can I do to help them? I have been trying to load them up with Colostrum, but wasn't sure how much kittens this size (2.4 lbs and up) can get? I have also been giving L-Lysine since I fear feline herpes, but didn't know a dosage for that either? And finally, my foster cat Izzee has had her vaccinations (she was
Update on Felv+ B/W Female kitty...good news!
Great news! A while ago, when Monkee was still alive, I had posted about a B/W, long-haired, docile, sweet, female FelV+ cat (maybe a year old?) who my contact at the no-kill adoption agency had picked up from a colony downtown and had gotten fixed. She planned to re-release her, but she tested her for FeLV+ and FIV (which she never does), and she's Felv+. So shes had this dilemma about what to do and the cats been living in her bathroom since I think at least the end of June because she couldn't bring herself to re-release. Anyway, she got adopted last night I couldn'tt believe it!!! She is now living in HUGE house in a really expensive part of townbasically, shes a rich kitty now! Theres a lady who currently has a male 8 yo Felv+ cat. Her son, whos in first grade, told her he wanted a kitty. She told him that they couldn'tt get a kitty because they have a Felv+ cat. Somehow, she must have contacted the adoption agency and actually asked for a Felv+ (which usually never happens). My contact took her the cat yesterday, so she got to see her huge house. The lady showed her around and then said: Now, let me show you Babys room! (the cat has been nicknamed Baby by my friend keeping her in the b-room). My friend was like, What?! Her room?! Yep. She has her OWN bedroom! Of course, Baby will have the run of the house too, since this lady has only Felv+ cats, but she also has her own separate bedroom. Apparently, it was all set up with her litter box and play toys and kitty-hammock. I was just so happy to hear that Baby doesn'tt have to go back outside and live out her life as a Downtown Louisville Colony cat , I almost cried. Thank god my contact held onto her and didn'tt break down and re-release. In further good news, I suspected this lady may have wanted another Felv+ cat because she hadnt lost one yet (I know, I was being negative and I shouldn'tt be like that). But apparently, she had one other than the 8 yo male that she recently lost- so she has been thru it and knows what shes getting into I guess. Also, I cant believe she has a Felv+ cat that is 8! Of course, I am jealous .I would have given anything to have had The Monkee for 8 years. My friend said the lady has her 8 yo on Interferon and she asked me if I had treated Monkee with that (no- only during chemo). That led to a discussion where I yet again lamented whether I did everything I could to prevent the FelV taking over while Monkee was still healthy, i.e., did we go to the right vet? Was his Vet proactive enough (I really can't decide about this one)? Were people proactively treating healthy Felv+ cats like they are now (with supplements and Interferon) 4 ½ years ago when I first found him (questioning whether the resources were available- I'd rather not know the answer to this one). Alas, answers to these questions don't really matter now and I know Monkee had a great life just another subtle instance that makes me doubt myself .but this isnt about me or Monkee, its about the fact that the B/W female got adopted and is going to be a rich-kitty and well-taken care of! Im so happy! -Caroline Gear up for Halo® 3 with free downloads and an exclusive offer.
RE: Update on Felv+ B/W Female kitty...good news!
Oh, how wonderful for Baby! Your story almost made *ME* cry. But then, I'm easy Diane R. This electronic mail transmission and any attachments are confidential and may be privileged. They should be read or retained only by the intended recipient. If you have received this transmission in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the transmission from your system. In addition, in order to comply with Treasury Circular 230, we are required to inform you that unless we have specifically stated to the contrary in writing, any advice we provide in this email or any attachment concerning federal tax issues or submissions is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, to avoid federal tax penalties.
Re: OT: update on sick kittens, questions about URIs, etc
Thanks Kelly. I kind of knew that going in (that there's no real way to isolate and URIs are super contagious)- and I have a shot-gun house. I just kind of had to go on the fact that Izzee is healthy as a horse now. She was tiny, skinny and flea-ridden when I first got her (a month ago). Now she's put on a weight and tons of muscle (she gets Wellness Core- she's a bodybuilder now!) and Wellness wet at night- with Colostrum and L-Lysine and Brewers Yeast. I give her all this even though she is healty because I want to make her Super-Cat and apparently, it's working. I just hoped her immune system would be super-duper since she's done nothing for a month but bulk up. Plus, she was already exposed to probably every URI-causing virus when the poor thing spent 72 hours in Metro. I mean, at that time, she'd been a 10 mth old, declawed cat living in a single cat household and then she ends up Metro? I'm surprised that didn't actually kill or make her super sick (I could just kill her "old family" for surrendering her to Metro!). I guess what we have to do is give them all 7 days on Amoxy and then go from there. The agency I am working with does have vets who work for them at a discount and they have tons of funds- I know that- they just had their biggest fundraiser of the year and raked it in. But at this point, I can't just take them in myself whenever I want. I fear I would have to get it approved from the very lady (the head volunteer- who also sits on the board) who had these kittens running around her house untreated and sick and with ears that looked like the pit of hell (aw, irony). And I hear she is "frugal" and already thinks a bunch of her foster parents "overreact" and want to rush cats off to the vet "too much." Ha- she hasn't seen anything yet! I may overreact on occasion, but my mom is ten times worse- she thinks any cat that sneezes is "dying"! I love locking-horns with people who suck tho, so I am up for the challenge! But you see the dilemma I face here. It's a very tight rope I am walking on. But I have a strong personality and I will NEVER hesitate to take a sick cat to a vet, even if I have to pay full-price myself, and then work the system later to get reimbursement. Thanks. Caroline From:"Kelley Saveika" [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To:felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgTo:felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject:Re: OT: update on sick kittens, questions about URIs, etcDate:Fri, 7 Sep 2007 12:57:10 -0500They could certainly need another antibiotic.Sometimes amoxy justdoesn't wipe it out.Clavamox is just amoxy with one other addedingredient.Our low cost spay/neuter clinic vet often prescribescepahlexin if amoxy does not work.Zithromax is the antibiotic oflast resort, but it will kill most stuff.I can't really tell you when it is time to see the vet.Since minesees my guys for free, I probably take them in sooner than otherpeople might.I have no idea how to tell which virus is causing the symptoms.I'msure my vet could tell, but it would probably require testing of someexpensive kind.I know this won't make you feel much better, but since URI isairborne, there's no way to REALLY isolate cats with URI inside anaverage home.My vet can isolate them because he has an isolationroom with seperate airflow, but if you have a heating or a/c system orthe room in which you are holding them isn't airtight, the virus iseverywhere no matter what you do.I've had litters in seperatebathrooms on different floors and they both got uri because it waspassing back and forth through the a/c system.Vaccinations protect against some of the worst virii -rhinotracheitis, calici, panleukopenia - there are hundreds of otherthings that cause URI.Most of them not serious.On 9/7/07, Caroline Kaufmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, I still have 4 kittens in crates at my (tiny) house, and then my one year old Foster cat Izzee.One of the kittens, a grey and white male, was supposed to leave last night to go "on display" at the store, but d*mned if he didn't come down the sneezing, running nose, water eyes!Urgh.I wish I could have isolated him when he first came to my, but by then, he'd already been mingled with the other kittens already suffering URIs and already completely exposed.Plus he'd been at this volunteer's house running loose with all the other kittens and adult cats with chronic URIs so there was probably nothing I could dostill, I feel bad.So now I have 4 kittens all on Amoxy and getting a triple antibiotic in their eyes (which I am almost out of so I ordered some tubes of artificial tear rinse and Terramycin online). My little Yoda (the first on I got last Sat.) is so much better, but yesterday he seemed to have a set back.He's really snotty.And it gets worse when I let him out to play with Izzee because he gets out of breath, so I limit his time. Everyone is eating like complete pigs; drinking water and are all pooing and peeing a TON- I can barely keep up!I like to take the poo out immediately
Re: Update on Felv+ B/W Female kitty...good news!
Ahhh, Caroline, thanks so much for sharing this story. You just MADE my day..;) Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent - Original Message - From: Caroline Kaufmann To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, September 07, 2007 1:06 PM Subject: Update on Felv+ B/W Female kitty...good news! Great news! A while ago, when Monkee was still alive, I had posted about a B/W, long-haired, docile, sweet, female FelV+ cat (maybe a year old?) who my contact at the no-kill adoption agency had picked up from a colony downtown and had gotten fixed. She planned to re-release her, but she tested her for FeLV+ and FIV (which she never does), and she's Felv+. So she's had this dilemma about what to do and the cat's been living in her bathroom since I think at least the end of June because she couldn't bring herself to re-release. Anyway, she got adopted last night I couldn't't believe it!!! She is now living in HUGE house in a really expensive part of town-basically, she's a rich kitty now! There's a lady who currently has a male 8 yo Felv+ cat. Her son, who's in first grade, told her he wanted a kitty. She told him that they couldn't't get a kitty because they have a Felv+ cat. Somehow, she must have contacted the adoption agency and actually asked for a Felv+ (which usually never happens). My contact took her the cat yesterday, so she got to see her huge house. The lady showed her around and then said: Now, let me show you Baby's room! (the cat has been nicknamed Baby by my friend keeping her in the b-room). My friend was like, What?! Her room?! Yep. She has her OWN bedroom! Of course, Baby will have the run of the house too, since this lady has only Felv+ cats, but she also has her own separate bedroom. Apparently, it was all set up with her litter box and play toys and kitty-hammock. I was just so happy to hear that Baby doesn't't have to go back outside and live out her life as a Downtown Louisville Colony cat., I almost cried. Thank god my contact held onto her and didn't't break down and re-release. In further good news, I suspected this lady may have wanted another Felv+ cat because she hadn't lost one yet (I know, I was being negative and I shouldn't't be like that). But apparently, she had one other than the 8 yo male that she recently lost- so she has been thru it and knows what she's getting into I guess. Also, I can't believe she has a Felv+ cat that is 8! Of course, I am jealous..I would have given anything to have had The Monkee for 8 years. My friend said the lady has her 8 yo on Interferon and she asked me if I had treated Monkee with that (no- only during chemo). That led to a discussion where I yet again lamented whether I did everything I could to prevent the FelV taking over while Monkee was still healthy, i.e., did we go to the right vet? Was his Vet proactive enough (I really can't decide about this one)? Were people proactively treating healthy Felv+ cats like they are now (with supplements and Interferon) 4 ½ years ago when I first found him (questioning whether the resources were available- I'd rather not know the answer to this one). Alas, answers to these questions don't really matter now and I know Monkee had a great life.just another subtle instance that makes me doubt myself..but this isn't about me or Monkee, it's about the fact that the B/W female got adopted and is going to be a rich-kitty and well-taken care of! I'm so happy! -Caroline -- Gear up for Halo® 3 with free downloads and an exclusive offer.
Re: Slightly OT: Thanks; new kitty
Test...my last post (new thread did not come though but it is in the archives). Do new threads require approval? I notice if you tack onto an existing thread it usually post quickly. therefore test. Sally
RE: Update on Felv+ B/W Female kitty...good news!
Caroline, I loved this story! How wonderful! If only we were all rich and could give our kitties their own rooms! That is so amazing! Id love to have hammocks and toy boxes for my furkids. I think Ill do something special for them this weekend. We arent rich, but Im sure we could come up with something fun. Angel was on top of the cupboards this morning hiding out from the scary (so-she thinks) new kitty which weighs 1/16 of her! That reminded me that I want to get some cat-walks made for them to prowl around on in the house. So happy for Baby though! Glad you posted that story. Try not to second-guess yourself about Monkee. I know its hard, but you did the best you could with what you knew, with what you had, and you did the best by Monkee who had a beautiful and happy home. I forgot to ask, how did your memorial / funeral service go for him? I cant remember if you posted about what you ended up doing. Sorry if you did and I missed it! Melissa _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Caroline Kaufmann Sent: Friday, September 07, 2007 1:07 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Update on Felv+ B/W Female kitty...good news! Great news! A while ago, when Monkee was still alive, I had posted about a B/W, long-haired, docile, sweet, female FelV+ cat (maybe a year old?) who my contact at the no-kill adoption agency had picked up from a colony downtown and had gotten fixed. She planned to re-release her, but she tested her for FeLV+ and FIV (which she never does), and she's Felv+. So shes had this dilemma about what to do and the cats been living in her bathroom since I think at least the end of June because she couldn't bring herself to re-release. Anyway, she got adopted last night I couldn'tt believe it!!! She is now living in HUGE house in a really expensive part of townbasically, shes a rich kitty now! Theres a lady who currently has a male 8 yo Felv+ cat. Her son, whos in first grade, told her he wanted a kitty. She told him that they couldn'tt get a kitty because they have a Felv+ cat. Somehow, she must have contacted the adoption agency and actually asked for a Felv+ (which usually never happens). My contact took her the cat yesterday, so she got to see her huge house. The lady showed her around and then said: Now, let me show you Babys room! (the cat has been nicknamed Baby by my friend keeping her in the b-room). My friend was like, What?! Her room?! Yep. She has her OWN bedroom! Of course, Baby will have the run of the house too, since this lady has only Felv+ cats, but she also has her own separate bedroom. Apparently, it was all set up with her litter box and play toys and kitty-hammock. I was just so happy to hear that Baby doesn'tt have to go back outside and live out her life as a Downtown Louisville Colony cat , I almost cried. Thank god my contact held onto her and didn'tt break down and re-release. In further good news, I suspected this lady may have wanted another Felv+ cat because she hadnt lost one yet (I know, I was being negative and I shouldn'tt be like that). But apparently, she had one other than the 8 yo male that she recently lost- so she has been thru it and knows what shes getting into I guess. Also, I cant believe she has a Felv+ cat that is 8! Of course, I am jealous .I would have given anything to have had The Monkee for 8 years. My friend said the lady has her 8 yo on Interferon and she asked me if I had treated Monkee with that (no- only during chemo). That led to a discussion where I yet again lamented whether I did everything I could to prevent the FelV taking over while Monkee was still healthy, i.e., did we go to the right vet? Was his Vet proactive enough (I really can't decide about this one)? Were people proactively treating healthy Felv+ cats like they are now (with supplements and Interferon) 4 ½ years ago when I first found him (questioning whether the resources were available- I'd rather not know the answer to this one). Alas, answers to these questions don't really matter now and I know Monkee had a great life just another subtle instance that makes me doubt myself .but this isnt about me or Monkee, its about the fact that the B/W female got adopted and is going to be a rich-kitty and well-taken care of! Im so happy! -Caroline _ Gear http://g.msn.com/8HMAENUS/2734??PS=47575 up for Halo® 3 with free downloads and an exclusive offer.
Re: Update on Felv+ B/W Female kitty...good news!
Caroline, How absolutely lovely! Thank you! These good little stories help so much to offset all the sad stories out there. Can you imagine how excited this little girl kitty must be? Glenda --- Susan Dubose [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ahhh, Caroline, thanks so much for sharing this story. You just MADE my day..;) Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent - Original Message - From: Caroline Kaufmann To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, September 07, 2007 1:06 PM Subject: Update on Felv+ B/W Female kitty...good news! Great news! A while ago, when Monkee was still alive, I had posted about a B/W, long-haired, docile, sweet, female FelV+ cat (maybe a year old?) who my contact at the no-kill adoption agency had picked up from a colony downtown and had gotten fixed. She planned to re-release her, but she tested her for FeLV+ and FIV (which she never does), and she's Felv+. So she's had this dilemma about what to do and the cat's been living in her bathroom since I think at least the end of June because she couldn't bring herself to re-release. Anyway, she got adopted last night I couldn't't believe it!!! She is now living in HUGE house in a really expensive part of town-basically, she's a rich kitty now! There's a lady who currently has a male 8 yo Felv+ cat. Her son, who's in first grade, told her he wanted a kitty. She told him that they couldn't't get a kitty because they have a Felv+ cat. Somehow, she must have contacted the adoption agency and actually asked for a Felv+ (which usually never happens). My contact took her the cat yesterday, so she got to see her huge house. The lady showed her around and then said: Now, let me show you Baby's room! (the cat has been nicknamed Baby by my friend keeping her in the b-room). My friend was like, What?! Her room?! Yep. She has her OWN bedroom! Of course, Baby will have the run of the house too, since this lady has only Felv+ cats, but she also has her own separate bedroom. Apparently, it was all set up with her litter box and play toys and kitty-hammock. I was just so happy to hear that Baby doesn't't have to go back outside and live out her life as a Downtown Louisville Colony cat., I almost cried. Thank god my contact held onto her and didn't't break down and re-release. In further good news, I suspected this lady may have wanted another Felv+ cat because she hadn't lost one yet (I know, I was being negative and I shouldn't't be like that). But apparently, she had one other than the 8 yo male that she recently lost- so she has been thru it and knows what she's getting into I guess. Also, I can't believe she has a Felv+ cat that is 8! Of course, I am jealous..I would have given anything to have had The Monkee for 8 years. My friend said the lady has her 8 yo on Interferon and she asked me if I had treated Monkee with that (no- only during chemo). That led to a discussion where I yet again lamented whether I did everything I could to prevent the FelV taking over while Monkee was still healthy, i.e., did we go to the right vet? Was his Vet proactive enough (I really can't decide about this one)? Were people proactively treating healthy Felv+ cats like they are now (with supplements and Interferon) 4 ½ years ago when I first found him (questioning whether the resources were available- I'd rather not know the answer to this one). Alas, answers to these questions don't really matter now and I know Monkee had a great life.just another subtle instance that makes me doubt myself..but this isn't about me or Monkee, it's about the fact that the B/W female got adopted and is going to be a rich-kitty and well-taken care of! I'm so happy! -Caroline -- Gear up for Halo® 3 with free downloads and an exclusive offer. Be a better Heartthrob. Get better relationship answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=listsid=396545433
OT: Monkee's Funeral Service
Melissa: In answer to your question, we haven't done Monkee's funeral service yet. BUT WE ARE GOING TO DO IT. My mom and I spent a lot of time debating where to do it and if we wanted a religious or lay person to do a reading/say something. We found the location...a "barn" behind my the church I grew up going to and where I went to school. The barn isn't really a barn, it's a building that used to be a barn. And tho I went to a Catholic church and school, my mom was surprised to discover that they now use the barn and the outdoor area behind it for things just like this. I kind of put it on my mom to help plan it and make phone calls/inquires and she just lost track. This Sunday, we are going to the Pet Memorial Ceremony sponsored by Chance's Spot- an online community for those grieving the loss of a pet. It's at an outdoor Amphitheater and there will be readings and music and everyone who attends will get their pet's name read aloud. I planned to take both Monkee and Rambo(the last of our geriatric cats- 19 yo- and my favorite of the litter, whom we put to sleep last Oct). And by "take"- I mean their ashes. We are still doing a separate, private ceremony for Monkee. I wanted to do it prior to the group ceremony on Sunday, but we just ran out of time. I wanted to do it tomorrow, but my Mom was dying to go to Morristown, TN to visit her only granddaughter, Lily, and she does SO much for me, that I can't begrudge her that. I will definitely let you know what we decide to do. I am going to have memorial prayer cards madefor everyone who sent me a sympathy card (I got tons). My sister thinks I am crazy for wanting to do that (she told my mom that), but she can go to H-LL! There's a company that makes Pet Prayer Cards online and I have picked out what I want and the pic of Monkee I want on it. Still deciding about the text. I wrote a poem a week after Monkee died. I am NOT a poem writer AT ALL tho. I am a writer, but not a poem writer! But it just came out...I still don't know where it came from? I thought about putting the poem I wrote on the prayer cards, especially if I read it (or have it read- I don't know if I can get thru it) at Monkee's ceremony. The only person I have shared it with is my mom, yet she still hasn't read it yet because she says she can't (because she cries)- so I don't know if it's any good or not! But, I will keep you updated on what we decide. I'm pretty confident The Monk will always be my most specially loved (by me) baby and so it's really important to me do something official to honor him and lay him to rest. -Caroline Discover sweet stuff waiting for you at the Messenger Cafe. Claim your treat today!
RE: Slightly OT: Thanks; new kitty
Well, we took the new kitty to the vet, and she tested negative! hurrah! Hopefully it's not a false one Aside from some ear mites and fleas, she seems pretty healthy. The vet estimated that she was about 3 months. She weighs less than 3 pounds. So tiny! I think we're going to call her Clementine. She's tiny and orange, and it fits in with the plant motif I've already got going (Juniper, Kudzu, and poor Olive). I suppose her nickname will just be Tiny. Because she is, and all... haha. -Megan = Original Message From Melissa Lind [EMAIL PROTECTED] = Congrats Megan on the new kitty! Yes, of course no kitty could replace Olive, but I think it's wonderful that you and your roommate are so caring and understanding! I have a kitty that is not old, but she's just disproportional. She's about a year old. I got her in April--rescued from eating out of a dumpster--so she was very malnourished. Her body is much bigger than I would expect her head to be. She's cute, but not a cat that you would call beautiful--I tell her that she's beautiful inside! Have you named the little one? My suggestion would be to get it to the vet for wormer, ear mites, etc. and see how old he/she is. Best of luck! Melissa -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Megan Heikkinen Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 10:04 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Slightly OT: Thanks; new kitty First off, I want to thank all of you for your condolences. I miss Olive, but I am doing much better. Although it hurts and sometimes I question myself, I think I did the right thing. I couldn't stand seeing her suffering. And now there is a new kitty in the household. I am by no means trying to replace Olive, because that would be impossible. My mom's new neighbors had this little kitten that they didn't take care of, and so my mom was letting her stay inside. Stepdad won't let her keep it, so she sorta kinda pushes it on me... My roommate decides to take her, because her cat is way back in New Jersey and she wants her own kitty. So, the little kitty is in her room for now, because I do not want to take any chance whatsoever of getting my cats sick. Although, this thing is slightly malnourished and dirty, and my guess is that it's probably FeLV-negative, otherwise it probably wouldn't still be alive. Still, I want to take precautions. Here's the weird thing about this cat: It's very very small, and at first glance looks like a small kitten. However, it's got the proportions of an adult cat. It's so strange. She looks like a miniature cat. Could her growth have been stunted, perhaps? Or do some kittens just turn out that way? I want to get her tested ASAP, so she isn't stuck by herself in a tiny room, but I have no idea how old she is. Size-wise, she looks maybe a month or so, but if it IS possible her growth was stunted The vet techs told me that you can't really tell if they're positive or negative until around 4 months, but I don't want to keep her cooped up in my roommate's room for the next few months. -Megan
