Ember and the Scary Mistake
I talked to the vet we saw last night to ask about the odd exhaling Ember did. We discussed it for awhile, and she really couldn't say with any certainty what might have caused it. She said that Ember's lungs sounded good, and I would think that a lung problem would be a likely component in causing something like that. I'll just be paying close attention to see if it happens again. It's a really good thing I called, because I found out that Ember had been over-prescribed. Frankly, the whole thing sounds a little fishy to me, though I want to trust this vet. The label printed out and placed on the Metronidazole bottle was for two 50mg pills twice a day. The vet told me that should be for only 1 50mg pill twice a day. She also indicated that this is a small dose. She said that this is a computer error, but she also *told* me before I left that it was two pills twice a day. I wonder when she was planning on calling me about this! I gave Ember two pills last night and two this morning, but I will not give her any meds tonight, and I'm really not sure of what to do in general. I hate to critique someone who has vast amounts of education and experience over me. But, I'm concerned that this vet is not exactly sure of what's going on. When Ember had diarrhea a year and a half ago, another vet (who is now our normal vet) prescribed one 50mg Metronidazole once a day, and she only gave me five or so to give (i never did). Since Metronidazole is considered a potential carcinogen in people, and has, in admittedly rare cases, essentially destroyed an animal's nervous system, I'm really wishing I had a second opinion. I just don't want to haul Ember to another vet. Any thoughts? Lance
Re: Autumn still Positive
Susan, I'm really, really happy to hear that Autumn is doing so well. I know what you mean about being nervous, but it sounds like things are pretty good, post-spay. When does she get rid of the collar? I'm sure she's ready to get back to her fort. As for the holidays, Christmas is always more fun when there's a little one around trying to take down the tree. We need some holiday pictures of Autumn. Lance On Jan 25, 2008, at 3:04 PM, Susan Ang wrote: Autumn got spayed Monday and they re-tested her for FeLV. We were hoping she would kick it, but she was still showing a strong positive on the ELISA test. Since the spay she has to wear one of those Elizabethean collars. We can't take it off for two minutes without her attacking her sutures. String on her stomach...how could she resist!!? They put her on a pre-emptive course of Clavamox. I will admit to being a nervous wreck the weekend before and earlier this week - I was eating every carb in sight. She's doing great though. She's been pretty healthy since October. We had to buy plastic ornaments for the Christmas tree so she could climb up and knock them out. Her current favorite thing is to play fort in my large cooking pot. No matter where we put it, she seems to find it and sits in it. So I have surrendered it to her and it's sitting in our living room:-) ~Susan A
Autumn still Positive
Autumn got spayed Monday and they re-tested her for FeLV. We were hoping she would kick it, but she was still showing a strong positive on the ELISA test. Since the spay she has to wear one of those Elizabethean collars. We can't take it off for two minutes without her attacking her sutures. String on her stomach...how could she resist!!? They put her on a pre-emptive course of Clavamox. I will admit to being a nervous wreck the weekend before and earlier this week - I was eating every carb in sight. She's doing great though. She's been pretty healthy since October. We had to buy plastic ornaments for the Christmas tree so she could climb up and knock them out. Her current favorite thing is to play fort in my large cooking pot. No matter where we put it, she seems to find it and sits in it. So I have surrendered it to her and it's sitting in our living room:-) ~Susan A
Ember and
Lance, I was so glad to hear that you were able to get treatment for Ember. My prayers are definitely with you. Autumn was on metronidazole back in October and she used to gag terribly sometimes because of the medicine. Apparently it tastes terrible. Our vet had us cushion it in the syringe between coffee creamer - I used organic half and half. Sometimes it wasn't enough though and she reacted pretty dramatically with choking noises. I have heard about some possible negative neurological side effects to the drug, but Autumn didn't have any. She liked getting the creamer. Her stools also firmed up soon after. ~Susan A.
Re: Ember
Lance, could it be that it was the Flagyl that was lodged in her throat? Since her last stool was normal, maybe you should hold off on the Flagyl and just make sure that it wasn't panting, but rather trying to expel a pill. Don't panic...it could be the Flagyl (pill). Jane On Jan 25, 2008, at 2:49 PM, Lance wrote: Kenzie and Caroline, I'll be watching Ember like a hawk to see what happens. I'm waiting to hear back from the vet to see what I should do. Unfortunately for me, my vet is still on leave, and her husband (who she'd designated to take her place while away) was booked yesterday. I'm okay with the vet she saw, but would have liked it to have been my original vet. The sound Ember made was weird. Thinking about it, it wasn't like an "inhale-exhale-inhale" panting, but more like a long, loud exhale, almost like trying to push something out of her throat. It was an hour or so after I gave her the Flagyl, so I'm really baffled. She got off the bed, didn't look too good (tail down) then walked over to the food bowl and started eating. I'm really ready to get home to see her... Lance On Fri, 25 Jan 2008 13:16:05 -0500, "Caroline Kaufmann" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: Lance: I would just say to keep a close eye on that panting. When I was in high school, we had an overweight, long haired older cat that started panting like a dog. Problem was, it was mid-July and a very hot one at that. My dad was still practicing veterinary medicine part-time at that point and I kept trying to get him to pay attention to it, but he kept blowing me off. Ultimately, the cat died on us within a few days. We found out later that he was having liver failure. Another vet told us that panting in a cat should never be "blown off" like that or blamed on heat, etc. Basically, sustained panting in a cat CAN be a very serious situation, so keep that in mind and be vigilant (which I already know you are with her). (Side note- yes, that cat's death caused an even bigger rift in our family due to what we all thought was my dad's veterinary malpractice on our own cat. I threw a fit. I know it seems that might be nice to have a vet in the family, but keep in mind that it depends on the vet! Since we weren't "paying customers" sometimes, horribly, we got ignored. Sigh). caroline > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> Subject: Re: Ember> Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 07:43:42 -0600> > Hi Jane,> > Thanks for thinking of us. Tests seemed> to indicate that it's an issue of> bacterial overgrowth in the GI tract.> Vet prescribed 10 days of metronidazole> for Ember. Ironically, Ember had a> formed bowel movement only a few hours> after we got home. I also discovered> that Ember likes to eat pumpkin without> it being stirred in to her food. That might> come in handy.> > My only concern is with something Ember> did last night, probably an hour or more> after her first dose. She made a strange> panting sound for about ten seconds. It> was a deep, breathy noise. I didn't hear> it at all the rest of the night, though> I was asleep for most of it, so I might> have missed a reoccurrence. I'm carbon> copying the list on my reply to you, in> case anyone else might have an idea.> > Lance> > On Fri, 25 Jan 2008 07:34:45 -0500, "Jane Lyons" said:> > Lance how is she ?> > I'm thinking of you, with fingers crossed.> > Jane> > -- > Lance Linimon> [EMAIL PROTECTED]> _ Need to know the score, the latest news, or you need your Hotmail®- get your "fix". http://www.msnmobilefix.com/Default.aspx -- Lance Linimon [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Ember
Kenzie and Caroline, I'll be watching Ember like a hawk to see what happens. I'm waiting to hear back from the vet to see what I should do. Unfortunately for me, my vet is still on leave, and her husband (who she'd designated to take her place while away) was booked yesterday. I'm okay with the vet she saw, but would have liked it to have been my original vet. The sound Ember made was weird. Thinking about it, it wasn't like an "inhale-exhale-inhale" panting, but more like a long, loud exhale, almost like trying to push something out of her throat. It was an hour or so after I gave her the Flagyl, so I'm really baffled. She got off the bed, didn't look too good (tail down) then walked over to the food bowl and started eating. I'm really ready to get home to see her... Lance On Fri, 25 Jan 2008 13:16:05 -0500, "Caroline Kaufmann" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > > Lance: > I would just say to keep a close eye on that panting. When I was in > high school, we had an overweight, long haired older cat that started > panting like a dog. Problem was, it was mid-July and a very hot one at > that. My dad was still practicing veterinary medicine part-time at that > point and I kept trying to get him to pay attention to it, but he kept > blowing me off. Ultimately, the cat died on us within a few days. We > found out later that he was having liver failure. Another vet told us > that panting in a cat should never be "blown off" like that or blamed on > heat, etc. Basically, sustained panting in a cat CAN be a very serious > situation, so keep that in mind and be vigilant (which I already know > you are with her). > (Side note- yes, that cat's death caused an even bigger rift in our > family due to what we all thought was my dad's veterinary malpractice on > our own cat. I threw a fit. I know it seems that might be nice to have > a vet in the family, but keep in mind that it depends on the vet! Since > we weren't "paying customers" sometimes, horribly, we got ignored. > Sigh). > > caroline > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: > felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> Subject: Re: Ember> Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 > 07:43:42 -0600> > Hi Jane,> > Thanks for thinking of us. Tests seemed> to > indicate that it's an issue of> bacterial overgrowth in the GI tract.> > Vet prescribed 10 days of metronidazole> for Ember. Ironically, Ember had > a> formed bowel movement only a few hours> after we got home. I also > discovered> that Ember likes to eat pumpkin without> it being stirred in > to her food. That might> come in handy.> > My only concern is with > something Ember> did last night, probably an hour or more> after her > first dose. She made a strange> panting sound for about ten seconds. It> > was a deep, breathy noise. I didn't hear> it at all the rest of the > night, though> I was asleep for most of it, so I might> have missed a > reoccurrence. I'm carbon> copying the list on my reply to you, in> case > anyone else might have an idea.> > Lance> > On Fri, 25 Jan 2008 07:34:45 > -0500, "Jane Lyons" said:> > Lance how is she ?> > I'm thinking of you, > with fingers crossed.> > Jane> > -- > Lance Linimon> [EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > _ > Need to know the score, the latest news, or you need your Hotmail®-get > your "fix". > http://www.msnmobilefix.com/Default.aspx -- Lance Linimon [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Ember
Lance: I would just say to keep a close eye on that panting. When I was in high school, we had an overweight, long haired older cat that started panting like a dog. Problem was, it was mid-July and a very hot one at that. My dad was still practicing veterinary medicine part-time at that point and I kept trying to get him to pay attention to it, but he kept blowing me off. Ultimately, the cat died on us within a few days. We found out later that he was having liver failure. Another vet told us that panting in a cat should never be "blown off" like that or blamed on heat, etc. Basically, sustained panting in a cat CAN be a very serious situation, so keep that in mind and be vigilant (which I already know you are with her). (Side note- yes, that cat's death caused an even bigger rift in our family due to what we all thought was my dad's veterinary malpractice on our own cat. I threw a fit. I know it seems that might be nice to have a vet in the family, but keep in mind that it depends on the vet! Since we weren't "paying customers" sometimes, horribly, we got ignored. Sigh). caroline > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> Subject: Re: Ember> Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 07:43:42 -0600> > Hi Jane,> > Thanks for thinking of us. Tests seemed> to indicate that it's an issue of> bacterial overgrowth in the GI tract.> Vet prescribed 10 days of metronidazole> for Ember. Ironically, Ember had a> formed bowel movement only a few hours> after we got home. I also discovered> that Ember likes to eat pumpkin without> it being stirred in to her food. That might> come in handy.> > My only concern is with something Ember> did last night, probably an hour or more> after her first dose. She made a strange> panting sound for about ten seconds. It> was a deep, breathy noise. I didn't hear> it at all the rest of the night, though> I was asleep for most of it, so I might> have missed a reoccurrence. I'm carbon> copying the list on my reply to you, in> case anyone else might have an idea.> > Lance> > On Fri, 25 Jan 2008 07:34:45 -0500, "Jane Lyons" said:> > Lance how is she ?> > I'm thinking of you, with fingers crossed.> > Jane> > -- > Lance Linimon> [EMAIL PROTECTED]> > _ Need to know the score, the latest news, or you need your Hotmail®-get your "fix". http://www.msnmobilefix.com/Default.aspx
Re: Ember
Hi Jane, Thanks for thinking of us. Tests seemed to indicate that it's an issue of bacterial overgrowth in the GI tract. Vet prescribed 10 days of metronidazole for Ember. Ironically, Ember had a formed bowel movement only a few hours after we got home. I also discovered that Ember likes to eat pumpkin without it being stirred in to her food. That might come in handy. My only concern is with something Ember did last night, probably an hour or more after her first dose. She made a strange panting sound for about ten seconds. It was a deep, breathy noise. I didn't hear it at all the rest of the night, though I was asleep for most of it, so I might have missed a reoccurrence. I'm carbon copying the list on my reply to you, in case anyone else might have an idea. Lance On Fri, 25 Jan 2008 07:34:45 -0500, "Jane Lyons" said: > Lance how is she ? > I'm thinking of you, with fingers crossed. > Jane -- Lance Linimon [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Toby Please add to the CLS :(
Sherry, I'm sorry that Toby has gone. I can only imagine how hard it must be for all of you. What you do, however, makes it all worthwhile. It's given Toby and so many others at Crash's and Sid's the life and love that they might never have had. Thank you for all that you do. Lance On Thu, 24 Jan 2008 18:49:39 -0800 (PST), "Sherry DeHaan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > This one is one of the toughest.Our sweet Toby went to the bridge > today.He was a beautiful fluffy orange boy who always had a purr for > you.He was one of the original 5 that started Sids and the last of the > 5.He made it 4 years after testing positive for both fiv and felv.He will > be missed by so many.I receved an e-mail from one of my volunteer friends > and all she could say was she cant stop crying. :( This year has gotten > off to a bad start. THank you for listening to me. > Sherry > > > - > Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. -- Lance Linimon [EMAIL PROTECTED]
