Re: [Felvtalk] Intro
Mary Christine, I appreciate your questions, there are many thoughts on this issue. If you will re-read my post, I said that there were 'conflicting' studies. I was just trying to take away guilt of any loving owner that had either vaccinated or not vaccinated their positive kitties and the good or bad results that followed. Either decision can be supported. As I remember, which I do very well, the studies that were conducted many years ago (late 70's -when I was still in grad school at OSU- and when successful vaccines for FeLV were being developed , both 'live' and 'killed' (studies at that time were decreased due to lack of grant funding-remember the oil crisis and recession then, much like now), and then, the 80's and 90's at least gathered a bit of evidence with anecdotal stories to OSU from owners and past study participants with pros and cons of the 'killed' virus), and further study needs to be done, as I explicitly stated. As far as I know, there is no 'definitive info on this subject. The only way that a 'killed' virus theoretically could cause a problem is if the adjuvant with which it is carried is a problem to the recipient. These many years later I can not site specifics on the papers, heaven knows I am not aware of all of the individual cases that were gathered, but spoke with the researchers at the time. In my post, I gave thoughts, just from memory and personal experience, and my feelings on the subject as I have found, and expressed the unknowing and questions that still exist. There is much to be learned with more research dollars.I think you will see that this is what I briefly posted previously. I have included my past post that you referred to directly below, and your questions below that. I appreciate your scrutinization of my post, and compliment you on your long standing, caring, study and care of the unfortunate FELV+ kitty. Karen Griffith-740-992-5782 (If you have any questions) P.S. I have found over the years that 'symptomatic' kitties do not do well immediately after vaccination. My previous message- Laurie, I can appreciate your post. There are studies that say that vaccination helps the FELV kitty and others that say just the opposite. I have found that vaccination of positive cats decreases their survivability in the immediate situation. (Who knows what long term figures are for asymptomatic kitties). We'll have to wait another 10 yrs to get the real results with double blind studies. They are wonderful animals. They thrive and survive despite our best efforts in many cases. We need to send a blessing to all on this list that help every day and try to take the best care possible of these immunocompromised souls. I just do what I have found to be successful over the last 10 years or so. Karen - Original Message - From: "MaryChristine" To: Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 5:36 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Intro would like to see what studies you are talking about, karen--as far as i know there haven't been any done at all re: the effects of vaccinating positive cats. there are just various schools of thought, and a mounting lot of anecdotal evidence that tends to support the possibility that vaccinating positive might actually lengthen their lives, as has been the experience of many folks on this list. most things i've seen have said not to BOTHER vaccinating positives as it's a waste of money and vaccine, NOT that it has any bad effect on them. it's a killed vaccine, so the only time i've ever seen anyone saying, "don't vaccinate, it'll give the cat the virus!" is from folks who say that about negatives, too, because they don't understand how vaccines work in the first place. -- Spay & Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.org) Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] UPDATE: Tampa FL: Double suicide leaves 3 FELV+ cats, high kill facility
How very sad for all concerned. Gentle Bridge vibes to all these troubled souls, human and feline. Diane R. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Gloria B. Lane Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 9:49 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] UPDATE: Tampa FL: Double suicide leaves 3 FELV+ cats,high kill facility Thanks MC - sorry to hear this, thanks for working to help them - Gloria On Apr 30, 2009, at 4:04 PM, MaryChristine wrote: > special thanks to everyone who has been working on this one all day; > we've learned that all three of the kitties were euthanized earlier > this afternoon, upon the advice of the shelter veterinarian, who is > very well respected in the area; the shelter itself has an excellent > reputation as rescue-friendly, the cats were placed on a long-time > hold yesterday, and rescuers were contacted this morning. this one > does NOT seem to be one of those, "oh, no, kill them just because > they're FeLV!" but terribly sad nevertheless. > > heather, thank you especially, for trying to do the impossible, and > managing to locate others who are as delusional as you! > > MC ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] UPDATE: Tampa FL: Double suicide leaves 3 FELV+ cats, high kill facility
Thanks MC - sorry to hear this, thanks for working to help them - Gloria On Apr 30, 2009, at 4:04 PM, MaryChristine wrote: special thanks to everyone who has been working on this one all day; we've learned that all three of the kitties were euthanized earlier this afternoon, upon the advice of the shelter veterinarian, who is very well respected in the area; the shelter itself has an excellent reputation as rescue-friendly, the cats were placed on a long-time hold yesterday, and rescuers were contacted this morning. this one does NOT seem to be one of those, "oh, no, kill them just because they're FeLV!" but terribly sad nevertheless. heather, thank you especially, for trying to do the impossible, and managing to locate others who are as delusional as you! MC ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] UPDATE: Tampa FL: Double suicide leaves 3 FELV+ cats, high kill facility
special thanks to everyone who has been working on this one all day; we've learned that all three of the kitties were euthanized earlier this afternoon, upon the advice of the shelter veterinarian, who is very well respected in the area; the shelter itself has an excellent reputation as rescue-friendly, the cats were placed on a long-time hold yesterday, and rescuers were contacted this morning. this one does NOT seem to be one of those, "oh, no, kill them just because they're FeLV!" but terribly sad nevertheless. heather, thank you especially, for trying to do the impossible, and managing to locate others who are as delusional as you! MC -- Spay & Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.org) Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] Double suicide leaves 3 FELV+ cats, high kill facility, Tampa, FL
A couple committed suicide leaving behind 3 cats, one with severe URIall have tested positive for FELV and you can imagine have very, very limited time--we need homes or fosters immediately if they are to be saved. Needless to say, a very heartbreaking case...please forward if you have contacts in the south and contact me if you know of any foster or home potentials. Heather furrygi...@gmail.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
