Re: [Felvtalk] IFA tests/PCR tests
You really have to decide why you are testing. If a cat is ill with the Mystery Illness, of course you need to run some tests to pinpoint what may be the cause of the illness. If you are adopting out, you probably should do a combo test without the heartworm part which I learned from this list can screw up the results of the other tests in the combo. However, if the 4 kittens mentioned have tested negative, I don't see any reason why not to adopt out. Because, and this is important to remember, the person wanting the kitten or a couple of kittens will get a couple of kittens from someone, somewhere and that person probably won't test at all, just advertise "free to good home, healthy kittens". As long as the test is not definitely positive, you can ethically adopt out. I had an FIV+ cat who was not when I took him in. He was negative but thin. I polished him up and fattened him up and took him for adoption at the Humane Society here and they tossed him back to me as FIV+. I retested and sure enough. He had been incubating it for the months I had him fattening up and getting ready for his big day. Well, I still have Lancelot, mixed in with my regular gang because that's how he was when I took him home as a negative and he is still with me about 7 years later. Now, I know this is only FIV, not as serious as FeLv but still. You can't predict the future as far as will the cat some day turn positive for FeLv. You shouldn't spend much needed money testing and re-testing to make all the planets line up correctly. My three originally positive FeLv cats who turned negative are still with me. If anyone had wanted the ugly mutts, I would have cheered and given them away in a nanosecond. But no one wanted a dumb possum faced tabby or an all black cat with a sort of snake like face or Percy who had an attitude and lost the virus but not the attitude. Lest anyone try to get on me for calling them ugly mutts, hey I call it like it is. That doesn't mean I don't love them. I love ugly mutts the most. Even when they are cats. Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too! > > From: Lorrie >To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2013 2:15 PM >Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] IFA tests/PCR tests > > >Margo, I rescue too, and I've reached the same conclusion as you have. >This testing and retesting doesn't let us know what is really going on. >It is so discouraging, as well as extremely expensive when you have a >lot of rescued cats. Believe me I'd like to stop rescuing too, but what >do I do with the 30 cats I have now? I can't just toss them out, and a >shelter means certain death. So I'm hoping no more cats will come my >way Yeah sure!! > >Thanks for the info from UC Davis > >Lorrie > >On 08-14, Margo wrote: >> >> Hi Shelley, >> >> This is coming from a very disgruntled person so take it all with >> a grain of salt:) >> >> I have pretty much given up on test results as accomplishing >> anything. They seem just about useless in the long run, from my >> experience. For many years I ran a rescue in FL. I was fanatic >> about testing. Everyone was Elisa tested on intake, and again in >> three months, if we still had them. We offered follow-up testing >> to adopters. No positives were allowed to leave, and every one >> tested negative (both Elisa and IFA) at 3 months. I figured I was >> just very, very lucky. >> >> Fast forward. Two years ago I re-tested my whole population. Elisa >> negative. All of them. Just after that, I added a new cat. He was >> in quarantine for three months. Clean Elisa at both times. In >> March, he tested positive, after a very stressful bout of struvite >> stones. I was devastated. Now what? Well, since then one more (of >> my original household) has tested +. Another is likely. I'm not >> re-testing everyone. I'll test as they need to go in for the >> complications. >> >> Here's what "Shelter Medicine" (UC Davis) has to say about FeLV >>testing; >> >> "What additional tests are available? >> >> Cats testing positive by the ELISA test on serum should ideally be >> retested either using an ELISA test from a different manufacturer or by >> sending the appropriate sample for an IFA test at a diagnostic >> laboratory. If both tests are positive, the cat is very likely >> persistently infected. To be absolutely certain, cats can be held and >> retested after 30 days if resources are available and the cat can be >> appropriately housed and isolated (for the protection of the cat and >> population; see below). Because the IFA is less sensitive (more prone to >> false negatives) than the ELISA test, a negative IFA result in a cat >> testing positive ELISA can not be taken as an indicator that the
Re: [Felvtalk] IFA tests/PCR tests
Like others who have replied, I have worked with cat rescues and have personal experiences w/ FeLV. I trust ELISA and IFA results if done properly. However, I wouldn't run a PCR test. I feel this test is EXTREMELY sensitive and any sort of mishandling will result in an untrustworthy result. One of the rescues I volunteered with occasionally tested with ELISA and, if positive, ran a PCR test. One litter came from a FeLV+ mom. All the kittens except for one tested positive on ELISA as well. Those four were retested through PCR. They all came back negative. What a relief, right? Not really. All those "negative" kittens were allowed to mingle with three other litters that came through. All of these kittens were adopted out around Thanksgiving and Christmas last year. A little over a month ago, we received a few heartbreaking calls and emails about some of these kittens dying from FeLV related illnesses. They weren't actually negative and had FeLV the entire time they were in the rescue. At least 15 other kittens were exposed through contact with the positive kittens. I feel the ELISA test followed by a confirmatory IFA test is the best route. If the ELISA test is positive, run an IFA. If the cat is negative on the IFA, retest using ELISA in 12 weeks. If it's still positive, it's unfortunately a true positive. Of course there are going to be outliers. Some cats carry latent infections, some cats can beat it, ect. Despite all the stories you hear, these aren't typical cases. -Amanda On Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at 6:16 PM, Lance wrote: > If I understood the AAFP retrovirus guidelines paper, PCR tests are the > only test that will show regressive infection. Theoretically, regressive > infections rarely if ever surface. In other words, a true negative on > ELISA/IFA should not "go positive" later on down the line. > > Testing, like vaccination, is not ironclad guaranteed in results, but it's > still useful for bringing in new cats and adopting them out. It's a shame > that IFA and PCR testing is so expensive. Probably not too bad for an owner > of one cat, but for rescuers… > > Hopefully we'll have better diagnostics someday, but most everything with > FeLV feels stuck in the status quo of 2005. > > Lance > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > -- "There is much pleasure to be gained from useless knowledge" Bertrand Russell ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] IFA tests/PCR tests
If I understood the AAFP retrovirus guidelines paper, PCR tests are the only test that will show regressive infection. Theoretically, regressive infections rarely if ever surface. In other words, a true negative on ELISA/IFA should not "go positive" later on down the line. Testing, like vaccination, is not ironclad guaranteed in results, but it's still useful for bringing in new cats and adopting them out. It's a shame that IFA and PCR testing is so expensive. Probably not too bad for an owner of one cat, but for rescuers… Hopefully we'll have better diagnostics someday, but most everything with FeLV feels stuck in the status quo of 2005. Lance ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] IFA tests/PCR tests
Lorrie, when I said I quit, it's really just a rant. I can't "quit" because, like you, I have too many permanent residents. Aside from the local strays (which I've been s/n for 7 years, after "retiring" from Florida and cat rescue) that show up, this year I have 4 kittens brought by their feral Mom, the only one NOT trapped and spayed. I have not brought in any myself. So my SO has taken over. So far, one pregnant MomCat who delivered 3 kittens. One Gas Station kitten. Most recently, one kitten from a local store, who had been left in a cardboard box full of watermelons, with a badly injured leg. What I meant is that I will no longer foster for other rescues and shelters, or take in any that have another option. Sounds good, doesn't it? Oh well. The ones here now are the un-adoptables that I brought with me from FL, and the non-releaseables from here. They are quite numerous. But the current crew is safe. They stay. >^..^< -Original Message- >From: Lorrie >Sent: Aug 14, 2013 3:15 PM >To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] IFA tests/PCR tests > >Margo, I rescue too, and I've reached the same conclusion as you have. >This testing and retesting doesn't let us know what is really going on. >It is so discouraging, as well as extremely expensive when you have a >lot of rescued cats. Believe me I'd like to stop rescuing too, but what >do I do with the 30 cats I have now? I can't just toss them out, and a >shelter means certain death. So I'm hoping no more cats will come my >way Yeah sure!! > . ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] IFA tests/PCR tests
Margo, I rescue too, and I've reached the same conclusion as you have. This testing and retesting doesn't let us know what is really going on. It is so discouraging, as well as extremely expensive when you have a lot of rescued cats. Believe me I'd like to stop rescuing too, but what do I do with the 30 cats I have now? I can't just toss them out, and a shelter means certain death. So I'm hoping no more cats will come my way Yeah sure!! Thanks for the info from UC Davis Lorrie On 08-14, Margo wrote: > > Hi Shelley, > > This is coming from a very disgruntled person so take it all with > a grain of salt:) > > I have pretty much given up on test results as accomplishing > anything. They seem just about useless in the long run, from my > experience. For many years I ran a rescue in FL. I was fanatic > about testing. Everyone was Elisa tested on intake, and again in > three months, if we still had them. We offered follow-up testing > to adopters. No positives were allowed to leave, and every one > tested negative (both Elisa and IFA) at 3 months. I figured I was > just very, very lucky. > > Fast forward. Two years ago I re-tested my whole population. Elisa > negative. All of them. Just after that, I added a new cat. He was > in quarantine for three months. Clean Elisa at both times. In > March, he tested positive, after a very stressful bout of struvite > stones. I was devastated. Now what? Well, since then one more (of > my original household) has tested +. Another is likely. I'm not > re-testing everyone. I'll test as they need to go in for the > complications. > > Here's what "Shelter Medicine" (UC Davis) has to say about FeLV > testing; > > "What additional tests are available? > > Cats testing positive by the ELISA test on serum should ideally be > retested either using an ELISA test from a different manufacturer or by > sending the appropriate sample for an IFA test at a diagnostic > laboratory. If both tests are positive, the cat is very likely > persistently infected. To be absolutely certain, cats can be held and > retested after 30 days if resources are available and the cat can be > appropriately housed and isolated (for the protection of the cat and > population; see below). Because the IFA is less sensitive (more prone to > false negatives) than the ELISA test, a negative IFA result in a cat > testing positive ELISA can not be taken as an indicator that the cat is > not infected. If the ELISA test is positive but the IFA results in a > negative result, both tests can be repeated in 30 days. If this strategy > is used, a plan should be made at the outset and clearly communicated to > staff and foster parents regarding what will happen with cats that test > persistently positive after the 30 day hold. A PCR test can also be run > to help resolve any conflicts in the tests. PCR is very sensitive, so a > negative test result run by a reputable laboratory indicates infection is > unlikely. However, because PCR testing is very sensitive to laboratory > error, correct sample handling and laboratory quality are extremely > important." > > > Even so, the more I read, the less I trust ANY test to be accurate. Seems > that whatever the test, somehow there are ways it can prove to be > inaccurate. > > So, I am at a loss. I have four kittens suitable for adoption. All tested > negative. All have been vaccinated against FeLV. And yet, they've lived > (completely separately, physically) in a positive household. I don't want > to subject any adopter to the possibility of the heartbreak of FeLV. So > they'll stay. And I quit rescuing, fostering and re-hab. > > Maybe I'll learn more (or someone else will) and change my mind. > > Margo ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] IFA tests/PCR tests
Hi Margo, Wow, that is frustrating, and you were being so very cautious. You're right, each type of test seems to rely heavily on the test being run properly, and how can we assure that? I will probably still do the IFA for Leo, and then if need be follow at some point with the PCR, etc. Though the vet we went to hadn't heard of PCR testing for FeLV. Shelley On Aug 14, 2013, at 11:01 AM, Margo wrote: > > Hi Shelley, > >This is coming from a very disgruntled person so take it all with a > grain of salt:) > >I have pretty much given up on test results as accomplishing anything. > They seem just about useless in the long run, from my experience. For many > years I ran a rescue in FL. I was fanatic about testing. Everyone was Elisa > tested on intake, and again in three months, if we still had them. We offered > follow-up testing to adopters. No positives were allowed to leave, and every > one tested negative (both Elisa and IFA) at 3 months. I figured I was just > very, very lucky. > >Fast forward. Two years ago I re-tested my whole population. Elisa > negative. All of them. Just after that, I added a new cat. He was in > quarantine for three months. Clean Elisa at both times. In March, he tested > positive, after a very stressful bout of struvite stones. I was devastated. > Now what? Well, since then one more (of my original household) has tested +. > Another is likely. I'm not re-testing everyone. I'll test as they need to go > in for the complications. > >Here's what "Shelter Medicine" (UC Davis) has to say about FeLV > testing; > > "What additional tests are available? > > Cats testing positive by the ELISA test on serum should ideally be retested > either using an ELISA test from a different manufacturer or by sending the > appropriate sample for an IFA test at a diagnostic laboratory. If both tests > are positive, the cat is very likely persistently infected. To be absolutely > certain, cats can be held and retested after 30 days if resources are > available and the cat can be appropriately housed and isolated (for the > protection of the cat and population; see below). Because the IFA is less > sensitive (more prone to false negatives) than the ELISA test, a negative IFA > result in a cat testing positive ELISA can not be taken as an indicator that > the cat is not infected. If the ELISA test is positive but the IFA results in > a negative result, both tests can be repeated in 30 days. If this strategy > is used, a plan should be made at the outset and clearly communicated to > staff and foster parents regarding what will happen with cats that test > persistently positive after the 30 day hold. A PCR test can also be run to > help resolve any conflicts in the tests. PCR is very sensitive, so a negative > test result run by a reputable laboratory indicates infection is unlikely. > However, because PCR testing is very sensitive to laboratory error, correct > sample handling and laboratory quality are extremely important." > > > Even so, the more I read, the less I trust ANY test to be accurate. Seems > that whatever the test, somehow there are ways it can prove to be inaccurate. > > So, I am at a loss. I have four kittens suitable for adoption. All tested > negative. All have been vaccinated against FeLV. And yet, they've lived > (completely seperately, physically) in a positive household. I don't want to > subject any adopter to the possibility of the heartbreak of FeLV. So they'll > stay. And I quit rescuing, fostering and re-hab. > > Maybe I'll learn more (or someone else will) and change my mind. > > JME > > Margo > > > -Original Message- >> From: Shelley Theye >> Sent: Aug 14, 2013 9:57 AM >> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >> Subject: [Felvtalk] IFA tests/PCR tests >> >> Hi, >> >> I want to bring Leo back in to get the IFA test. I was reading about the >> company that developed >> the IFA test, the National Veterinary Lab. Are they the company that most >> folks use or can >> my vet send to any lab, like Antech, etc. Is one lab considered more >> accurate than another? >> >> Are PCR tests done much? I think in England they are used more than the IFA, >> at least I recall >> reading that a while back on a website. >> >> Thanks so much for any advice, >> Shelley >> >> >> >> ___ >> Felvtalk mailing list >> Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] IFA tests/PCR tests
Thanks Katherine. I think I have heard that too about PCR accuracy. Shelley On Aug 14, 2013, at 10:05 AM, Katherine K. wrote: > Shelley, > > One of my vets (I'm in the US) did a PCR test, but another always does IFA > (for kittens who test positive on snap ELISA) and that seems to be more > common. I asked my vet why she chose the PCR test and she said it was more > accurate. PCR results seemed to take longer than the IFA but I've also seen > IFA results take a while too. It must just depend on the lab and I'm not sure > which ones were used except that I know the sample for the PCR test was > same-day shipped to NY. > > > On Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at 9:57 AM, Shelley Theye wrote: > Hi, > > I want to bring Leo back in to get the IFA test. I was reading about the > company that developed > the IFA test, the National Veterinary Lab. Are they the company that most > folks use or can > my vet send to any lab, like Antech, etc. Is one lab considered more > accurate than another? > > Are PCR tests done much? I think in England they are used more than the IFA, > at least I recall > reading that a while back on a website. > > Thanks so much for any advice, > Shelley > > > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] IFA tests/PCR tests
Hi Shelley, This is coming from a very disgruntled person so take it all with a grain of salt:) I have pretty much given up on test results as accomplishing anything. They seem just about useless in the long run, from my experience. For many years I ran a rescue in FL. I was fanatic about testing. Everyone was Elisa tested on intake, and again in three months, if we still had them. We offered follow-up testing to adopters. No positives were allowed to leave, and every one tested negative (both Elisa and IFA) at 3 months. I figured I was just very, very lucky. Fast forward. Two years ago I re-tested my whole population. Elisa negative. All of them. Just after that, I added a new cat. He was in quarantine for three months. Clean Elisa at both times. In March, he tested positive, after a very stressful bout of struvite stones. I was devastated. Now what? Well, since then one more (of my original household) has tested +. Another is likely. I'm not re-testing everyone. I'll test as they need to go in for the complications. Here's what "Shelter Medicine" (UC Davis) has to say about FeLV testing; "What additional tests are available? Cats testing positive by the ELISA test on serum should ideally be retested either using an ELISA test from a different manufacturer or by sending the appropriate sample for an IFA test at a diagnostic laboratory. If both tests are positive, the cat is very likely persistently infected. To be absolutely certain, cats can be held and retested after 30 days if resources are available and the cat can be appropriately housed and isolated (for the protection of the cat and population; see below). Because the IFA is less sensitive (more prone to false negatives) than the ELISA test, a negative IFA result in a cat testing positive ELISA can not be taken as an indicator that the cat is not infected. If the ELISA test is positive but the IFA results in a negative result, both tests can be repeated in 30 days. If this strategy is used, a plan should be made at the outset and clearly communicated to staff and foster parents regarding what will happen with cats that test persistently positive a fter the 30 day hold. A PCR test can also be run to help resolve any conflicts in the tests. PCR is very sensitive, so a negative test result run by a reputable laboratory indicates infection is unlikely. However, because PCR testing is very sensitive to laboratory error, correct sample handling and laboratory quality are extremely important." Even so, the more I read, the less I trust ANY test to be accurate. Seems that whatever the test, somehow there are ways it can prove to be inaccurate. So, I am at a loss. I have four kittens suitable for adoption. All tested negative. All have been vaccinated against FeLV. And yet, they've lived (completely seperately, physically) in a positive household. I don't want to subject any adopter to the possibility of the heartbreak of FeLV. So they'll stay. And I quit rescuing, fostering and re-hab. Maybe I'll learn more (or someone else will) and change my mind. JME Margo -Original Message- >From: Shelley Theye >Sent: Aug 14, 2013 9:57 AM >To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >Subject: [Felvtalk] IFA tests/PCR tests > >Hi, > >I want to bring Leo back in to get the IFA test. I was reading about the >company that developed >the IFA test, the National Veterinary Lab. Are they the company that most >folks use or can >my vet send to any lab, like Antech, etc. Is one lab considered more accurate >than another? > >Are PCR tests done much? I think in England they are used more than the IFA, >at least I recall >reading that a while back on a website. > >Thanks so much for any advice, >Shelley > > > >___ >Felvtalk mailing list >Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] IFA tests/PCR tests
Shelley, One of my vets (I'm in the US) did a PCR test, but another always does IFA (for kittens who test positive on snap ELISA) and that seems to be more common. I asked my vet why she chose the PCR test and she said it was more accurate. PCR results seemed to take longer than the IFA but I've also seen IFA results take a while too. It must just depend on the lab and I'm not sure which ones were used except that I know the sample for the PCR test was same-day shipped to NY. On Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at 9:57 AM, Shelley Theye wrote: > Hi, > > I want to bring Leo back in to get the IFA test. I was reading about the > company that developed > the IFA test, the National Veterinary Lab. Are they the company that > most folks use or can > my vet send to any lab, like Antech, etc. Is one lab considered more > accurate than another? > > Are PCR tests done much? I think in England they are used more than the > IFA, at least I recall > reading that a while back on a website. > > Thanks so much for any advice, > Shelley > > > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] IFA tests/PCR tests
Hi, I want to bring Leo back in to get the IFA test. I was reading about the company that developed the IFA test, the National Veterinary Lab. Are they the company that most folks use or can my vet send to any lab, like Antech, etc. Is one lab considered more accurate than another? Are PCR tests done much? I think in England they are used more than the IFA, at least I recall reading that a while back on a website. Thanks so much for any advice, Shelley ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Charles
Sorry. LYmphoma. Not lUmphoma... -Original Message- >From: Margo >Sent: Aug 14, 2013 7:23 AM >To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Charles > > > >I'd sure prefer a diagnosis of lumphoma as opposed to FIP. Lymphoma is >treatable, and can be survivable. > >Margo > > >-Original Message- >>From: dlg...@windstream.net >>Sent: Aug 13, 2013 9:39 PM >>To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >>Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Charles >> >>Hope it isn't Lyphoma, I had non-Hodkins and it is no fun. >> >> Belinda Sauro wrote: >>> http://www.fabcats.org/owners/cancer/lymphoma.html >>> >>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lymphoma_in_animals >>> >>> It is a very aggressive cancer but a very curable one, if it is this >>> treatment would need to be started immediately. I know of many cats >>> that have gone into remission, some for many years only to die years >>> late of something else. It is generally a young cat cancer and like I >>> said can be put into remission quickly but must be treated quickly. >>> >>> I am on a feline lymphoma list if you are interested in learning more, >>> we actually have a vet on the list who is very helpful. You can join >>> the list here is you would like to check into it: >>> >>> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/feline_lymphoma/ >>> >>> I will say a prayer for you Charles I hope it is something that is >>> treatable. >>> >>> >>> On 8/13/2013 7:11 AM, Beth wrote: >>> > Actually if you do an abdominal tap of the fluid you can pretty much >>> > tell just by looking at it if it is FIP. It is a very distinct, >>> > stringy, yellow fluid. I'm not a vet, but the 1st time I saw it tapped >>> > off one of my cats I knew exactly what it was. >>> > But that is usually in the abdomen, not the chest, which is where the >>> > fluid seems to be in Charles. Fluid in the chest could be a heart >>> > condition, but that is usually not accompanied by swollen lymph nodes. >>> > >>> > Glad he is feeling a bit better & hope the x-rays or ultrasound tell >>> > you what is going on. >>> > >>> > Beth >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Belinda >>> happiness is being owned by cats and Emma ... >>> >>> http://freeanimalrescuewebsites.org >>> http://BelindaSauro.com >>> http://HostDesign4U.com >>> >>> >>> ___ >>> Felvtalk mailing list >>> Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >>> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org >> >> >>___ >>Felvtalk mailing list >>Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >>http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > >___ >Felvtalk mailing list >Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Charles
I'd sure prefer a diagnosis of lumphoma as opposed to FIP. Lymphoma is treatable, and can be survivable. Margo -Original Message- >From: dlg...@windstream.net >Sent: Aug 13, 2013 9:39 PM >To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Charles > >Hope it isn't Lyphoma, I had non-Hodkins and it is no fun. > > Belinda Sauro wrote: >> http://www.fabcats.org/owners/cancer/lymphoma.html >> >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lymphoma_in_animals >> >> It is a very aggressive cancer but a very curable one, if it is this >> treatment would need to be started immediately. I know of many cats >> that have gone into remission, some for many years only to die years >> late of something else. It is generally a young cat cancer and like I >> said can be put into remission quickly but must be treated quickly. >> >> I am on a feline lymphoma list if you are interested in learning more, >> we actually have a vet on the list who is very helpful. You can join >> the list here is you would like to check into it: >> >> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/feline_lymphoma/ >> >> I will say a prayer for you Charles I hope it is something that is >> treatable. >> >> >> On 8/13/2013 7:11 AM, Beth wrote: >> > Actually if you do an abdominal tap of the fluid you can pretty much >> > tell just by looking at it if it is FIP. It is a very distinct, >> > stringy, yellow fluid. I'm not a vet, but the 1st time I saw it tapped >> > off one of my cats I knew exactly what it was. >> > But that is usually in the abdomen, not the chest, which is where the >> > fluid seems to be in Charles. Fluid in the chest could be a heart >> > condition, but that is usually not accompanied by swollen lymph nodes. >> > >> > Glad he is feeling a bit better & hope the x-rays or ultrasound tell >> > you what is going on. >> > >> > Beth >> >> >> -- >> Belinda >> happiness is being owned by cats and Emma ... >> >> http://freeanimalrescuewebsites.org >> http://BelindaSauro.com >> http://HostDesign4U.com >> >> >> ___ >> Felvtalk mailing list >> Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > >___ >Felvtalk mailing list >Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
