Re: [Felvtalk] Nori...

[Patricia Oliveira]

Thank you, Robert!

Till yesterday night, i was more hopeful.

Nori started stanozolol on saturday and i noticed an improvement in her
appetite.

But last night she didn´t eat, despite looking for food. She went
till plate, stir in the food, but with her mouth closed all time. She
didn´t open her mouth to seize the grains of cat food.

I think her neurological issues are worsening :(

Today, i syringed food twice in the morning, gave her some subqs with B12
too.

I am really worried because i´ll be at home only at night.

Does someone have any option for neurological issues or just prednisolone ?

Thank you!


Patrícia

Em seg, 3 de jun de 2019 às 14:00, ROBERT CHAPEL 
escreveu:

> Patricia...
> I don't have any better advice than is being offered by Amani... Just
> wanted to wish you the best with this adorable kitten and cheer you on as
> one of the special people with especially big hearts Good Luck to both
> of you!!!
>
> Bob from NY
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> >1. Re: Rescued kitten felv + (Amani Oakley)
> >2. Re: New to Fel-V positive kitty (Kristy)
> >3. Re: New to Fel-V positive kitty (Amani Oakley)
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> > Message: 1
> > Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2019 17:43:35 +
> > From: Amani Oakley 
> > To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" 
> > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +
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> > Hi Patricia ? I gave all the pills together, morning and evening, except
> for the metoclopramide which was given ? or so before meals. The rest I
> gave with the meals. I didn?t observe a problem with giving them together.
> >
> > You might also try baby food to get Nori to eat. Get the pureed kind
> (beef or chicken with or without vegetables), so it can be sucked up into a
> syringe. If my Zander wasn?t eating (and he wasn?t at the start of the
> medication regime), then I would use a syringe to get the baby food into
> him. Baby food is easy to digest and has good things in it. I would target
> ? say ? five 3 cc syringe-fulls at each feeding. I would boost the number
> of syringe-fulls if possible. Eventually, Zander started eating the baby
> food on his own, and then I graduated to moist food, and really, anything
> he wanted until he put the weight back on.
> >
> > I had a look at the picture you sent and Nori is adorable. I am crossing
> my fingers for you and for Nori. Keep us updated on her progress.
> >
> > Amani
> >
> > From: Felvtalk  On Behalf Of
> Patricia Oliveira
> > Sent: June 1, 2019 12:36 PM
> > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +
> >
> > Hi, Amani!
> >
> > Thanky you very much for you email!
> >
> > Nori was discharged from the hospital yesterday night. She is eating
> baby dry food. I tried canned but she didn?t accept so weel.
> >
> > Today i bought other kinds of canned, i'll try them hoping she likes
> some one.
> >
> > Compound pharmacy must delivery stanozolol today.
> >
> > Are there any precautions regarding medication schedules? Close or far
> to doxy, for example?
> >
> > This is Nori:
> https://catsnecropolis.blogspot.com/2019/06/nori-teve-alta.html<
> https://catsnecropolis.blogspot.com/2019/06/nori-teve-alta.html?fbclid=IwAR0cXMedtfi73B81pJI7QiYGwRTJf9VJp-JN7S_Tstb0ANeg0Hm4ObtFH_A
> >
> >
> >
> > Thank you!
> >
> > Patr?cia
> >
> > Em qui, 30 de mai de 2019 ?s 20:52, Amani Oakley <
> aoak...@oakleylegal.com> escreveu:
> > Sorry Patricia ? after going on and on in my last email, I realized I
> hadn?t actually answered your question. I think you can probably use the
> stanozolol with the Doxycycline, without the prednisone, but prednisone
> itself has properties which help to boost red cell production. Try it out,
> keep close tabs on the haematology results and see if you are getting a
> good response on just Doxycycline and the Stanozolol. If not, add the
> prednisone. You may find that this combination assists with the FIP as
> well, as per my previous email.
> >
> > Amani
> >
> > From: Felvtalk  felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org>> On Behalf Of Patricia Oliveira
> > Sent: May 30, 2019 12:56 PM
> > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> > Subject: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten fe

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Re: [Felvtalk] Nori...

[ROBERT CHAPEL]

Patricia...
I don't have any better advice than is being offered by Amani... Just wanted to 
wish you the best with this adorable kitten and cheer you on as one of the 
special people with especially big hearts Good Luck to both of you!!!

Bob from NY
> On June 3, 2019 at 12:44 PM felvtalk-requ...@felineleukemia.org wrote:
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> Today's Topics:
> 
>1. Re: Rescued kitten felv + (Amani Oakley)
>2. Re: New to Fel-V positive kitty (Kristy)
>3. Re: New to Fel-V positive kitty (Amani Oakley)
> 
> 
> --
> 
> Message: 1
> Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2019 17:43:35 +
> From: Amani Oakley 
> To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" 
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +
> Message-ID:
>   
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> 
> Hi Patricia ? I gave all the pills together, morning and evening, except for 
> the metoclopramide which was given ? or so before meals. The rest I gave with 
> the meals. I didn?t observe a problem with giving them together.
> 
> You might also try baby food to get Nori to eat. Get the pureed kind (beef or 
> chicken with or without vegetables), so it can be sucked up into a syringe. 
> If my Zander wasn?t eating (and he wasn?t at the start of the medication 
> regime), then I would use a syringe to get the baby food into him. Baby food 
> is easy to digest and has good things in it. I would target ? say ? five 3 cc 
> syringe-fulls at each feeding. I would boost the number of syringe-fulls if 
> possible. Eventually, Zander started eating the baby food on his own, and 
> then I graduated to moist food, and really, anything he wanted until he put 
> the weight back on.
> 
> I had a look at the picture you sent and Nori is adorable. I am crossing my 
> fingers for you and for Nori. Keep us updated on her progress.
> 
> Amani
> 
> From: Felvtalk  On Behalf Of Patricia 
> Oliveira
> Sent: June 1, 2019 12:36 PM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +
> 
> Hi, Amani!
> 
> Thanky you very much for you email!
> 
> Nori was discharged from the hospital yesterday night. She is eating baby dry 
> food. I tried canned but she didn?t accept so weel.
> 
> Today i bought other kinds of canned, i'll try them hoping she likes some one.
> 
> Compound pharmacy must delivery stanozolol today.
> 
> Are there any precautions regarding medication schedules? Close or far to 
> doxy, for example?
> 
> This is Nori: 
> https://catsnecropolis.blogspot.com/2019/06/nori-teve-alta.html
> 
> 
> Thank you!
> 
> Patr?cia
> 
> Em qui, 30 de mai de 2019 ?s 20:52, Amani Oakley 
> mailto:aoak...@oakleylegal.com>> escreveu:
> Sorry Patricia ? after going on and on in my last email, I realized I hadn?t 
> actually answered your question. I think you can probably use the stanozolol 
> with the Doxycycline, without the prednisone, but prednisone itself has 
> properties which help to boost red cell production. Try it out, keep close 
> tabs on the haematology results and see if you are getting a good response on 
> just Doxycycline and the Stanozolol. If not, add the prednisone. You may find 
> that this combination assists with the FIP as well, as per my previous email.
> 
> Amani
> 
> From: Felvtalk 
> mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org>>
>  On Behalf Of Patricia Oliveira
> Sent: May 30, 2019 12:56 PM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +
> 
> Hi from Brazil,
> 
> I rescued a very weak, dehydrated, extremely thin kitten.
> 
> She's hospitalized now. Her hematocrit was 8, had blood transfusion which 
> raised hematocrit to 22, now it is 19. Low reticulocyte count.
> She has difficulty walking, which we can not define if it is just weakness or 
> neurological. Already had a seizure.
> 
> She also have changes in her kidneys. It has been tested and is felv +
> 
> She is receiving doxy and the hospital vets would like to include 
> prednisolone.
> 
> However, as it is not possible yet to rule out PIF, and the medication I 
> could use in the case of PIF does not work if the cat received prednisolone, 
> I am trying to avoid it.
> 
> The veterinarian agreed to prescribe stanozolol.
> 
> Can it be used without prednisolone, only with doxy she is alre

Re: [Felvtalk] New to Fel-V positive kitty

[Amani Oakley]

Hi Kristy - that's great about the blood work. However, don’t let it make you 
complacent. If she tested FeLV positive, and she is such a wee kitten, with all 
kinds of other problems, if it were me, I would want to get ahead of the 
problem. Also, as I've mentioned, the Stanozolol seems to be helpful for other 
conditions, and it also makes them feel better and improves their appetite and 
overall outlook on life.

Please let us know how things go. We're all praying for your little kitten and 
thank you for having such a good heart.

Amani

-Original Message-
From: Felvtalk  On Behalf Of Kristy
Sent: June 3, 2019 10:08 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] New to Fel-V positive kitty

Hi Amani!

Thanks for your help!

As far as I know his bloodwork came back normal other than the fever. 

I will talk to my vet about the meds you suggested. Unfortunately the two vets 
I have taken him haven’t really been forthcoming with treatment options. 

My husband is taking him back to the vet on Friday since we can’t seem to get 
the diarrhea/bloating under control. 

Have a great day!
Kristy

> On May 31, 2019, at 9:35 AM, Amani Oakley  wrote:
> 
> Hi Kristy
> 
> The advice I repeat to everyone is that the best combination I found to treat 
> a FeLV cat is with prednisone (prednisolone), Doxycycline and Stanozolol. I 
> don’t know if you have run blood work to determine the haematocrit/red cell 
> levels, but when a cat goes into crisis, it is usually because the red cells 
> are not being replenished by the infected bone marrow (which normally 
> produces new red cells) and the cat becomes severely anaemic. Other cell 
> lines in the blood soon follow (white cells and platelets) because the 
> progenitor cells which produce those blood cell lines are also found in the 
> infected bone marrow (which is attacked by the virus). The reticulocyte 
> count, which is a measure of new red cells being produced by the bone marrow, 
> is very low or even zero (which it was with my cat).
> 
> I would not wait until your cat is in crisis to start the treatment. My 
> kitten was in severe crisis when I stumbled upon this combination therapy, 
> and it was the only thing that worked to reverse the severe anaemia. I had 
> tried three other treatments, while doing weekly blood testing, and none of 
> the other treatments (Interferon, LTCI and Immunoregulin) budged his results 
> upwards by even a single point, though I had used each treatment for weeks if 
> not months in looking for an effective treatment.
> 
> If I were you, I would get him on Doxycycline rather than, or at least in 
> addition to the Clavamox. The Doxycycline has been found to interfere with 
> cell wall production with some viruses. If this were my kitten, I would get 
> started on the combination of prednisone/stanozolol/doxycycline right away. 
> You might want to test the blood work to get a baseline first, but given that 
> your kitten is not currently in crisis, that may not be entirely necessary.
> 
> With respect to the intestinal issues, with my FeLV cat, I had identified 
> that there was intestinal involvement and my research confirmed that the 
> walls of the intestines can be affected by the virus. In my cat's case, the 
> intestines were swollen and the stool seemed to sit in there for a long time. 
> I used metoclopramide (tiny amount 1/4 to 1/5 of a tablet before each meal) 
> to keep everything moving along, because my cat was eating and then throwing 
> up. Metoclopramide helps with emptying of stomach contents and moving stool 
> out of the top 1/3 of the intestines. You might consider trying the 
> metoclopramide to see if it will help with the bloating and gas.
> 
> Amani
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Felvtalk  On Behalf Of Kristy
> Sent: May 31, 2019 9:41 AM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: [Felvtalk] New to Fel-V positive kitty
> 
> Hi!
> 
> My husband and I recently took in a Fel-V+ kitty that showed up outside our 
> house a couple of months ago. We already had 7 other kitties so we had to 
> keep Fergus (kitty’s name) isolated in the upstairs portion of our house. 
> 
> He is experiencing bloating, is very gassy, and still has diarrhea (softer 
> stools) and I was wondering if this is a typical symptom of a positive kitty. 
> 
> He’s been to the vet and no parasites were found, but he was running a fever. 
> He is on Clavamox to help with the fever, but other than the 
> bloating/gas/diarrhea he is a normal kitty. We’ve tried figuring out if he 
> had an issue or allergy to specific foods, but nothing we’ve done has changed 
> his bloating/gas/diarrhea. He did have an ultrasound at the vet visit and 
> there were no masses or obstructions. 
> 
> Is this possibly a symptom of the Fel-V?  What sort of stuff should we be 
> looking for?
> 
> He’s such a sweet, loving kitty and my husband’s baby!  How can we help this 
> kitty?
> 
> Thanks for any help you can provide!
> Kristy
> 
> 

Re: [Felvtalk] New to Fel-V positive kitty

[Kristy]

Hi Amani!

Thanks for your help!

As far as I know his bloodwork came back normal other than the fever. 

I will talk to my vet about the meds you suggested. Unfortunately the two vets 
I have taken him haven’t really been forthcoming with treatment options. 

My husband is taking him back to the vet on Friday since we can’t seem to get 
the diarrhea/bloating under control. 

Have a great day!
Kristy

> On May 31, 2019, at 9:35 AM, Amani Oakley  wrote:
> 
> Hi Kristy
> 
> The advice I repeat to everyone is that the best combination I found to treat 
> a FeLV cat is with prednisone (prednisolone), Doxycycline and Stanozolol. I 
> don’t know if you have run blood work to determine the haematocrit/red cell 
> levels, but when a cat goes into crisis, it is usually because the red cells 
> are not being replenished by the infected bone marrow (which normally 
> produces new red cells) and the cat becomes severely anaemic. Other cell 
> lines in the blood soon follow (white cells and platelets) because the 
> progenitor cells which produce those blood cell lines are also found in the 
> infected bone marrow (which is attacked by the virus). The reticulocyte 
> count, which is a measure of new red cells being produced by the bone marrow, 
> is very low or even zero (which it was with my cat).
> 
> I would not wait until your cat is in crisis to start the treatment. My 
> kitten was in severe crisis when I stumbled upon this combination therapy, 
> and it was the only thing that worked to reverse the severe anaemia. I had 
> tried three other treatments, while doing weekly blood testing, and none of 
> the other treatments (Interferon, LTCI and Immunoregulin) budged his results 
> upwards by even a single point, though I had used each treatment for weeks if 
> not months in looking for an effective treatment.
> 
> If I were you, I would get him on Doxycycline rather than, or at least in 
> addition to the Clavamox. The Doxycycline has been found to interfere with 
> cell wall production with some viruses. If this were my kitten, I would get 
> started on the combination of prednisone/stanozolol/doxycycline right away. 
> You might want to test the blood work to get a baseline first, but given that 
> your kitten is not currently in crisis, that may not be entirely necessary.
> 
> With respect to the intestinal issues, with my FeLV cat, I had identified 
> that there was intestinal involvement and my research confirmed that the 
> walls of the intestines can be affected by the virus. In my cat's case, the 
> intestines were swollen and the stool seemed to sit in there for a long time. 
> I used metoclopramide (tiny amount 1/4 to 1/5 of a tablet before each meal) 
> to keep everything moving along, because my cat was eating and then throwing 
> up. Metoclopramide helps with emptying of stomach contents and moving stool 
> out of the top 1/3 of the intestines. You might consider trying the 
> metoclopramide to see if it will help with the bloating and gas.
> 
> Amani
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Felvtalk  On Behalf Of Kristy
> Sent: May 31, 2019 9:41 AM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: [Felvtalk] New to Fel-V positive kitty
> 
> Hi!
> 
> My husband and I recently took in a Fel-V+ kitty that showed up outside our 
> house a couple of months ago. We already had 7 other kitties so we had to 
> keep Fergus (kitty’s name) isolated in the upstairs portion of our house. 
> 
> He is experiencing bloating, is very gassy, and still has diarrhea (softer 
> stools) and I was wondering if this is a typical symptom of a positive kitty. 
> 
> He’s been to the vet and no parasites were found, but he was running a fever. 
> He is on Clavamox to help with the fever, but other than the 
> bloating/gas/diarrhea he is a normal kitty. We’ve tried figuring out if he 
> had an issue or allergy to specific foods, but nothing we’ve done has changed 
> his bloating/gas/diarrhea. He did have an ultrasound at the vet visit and 
> there were no masses or obstructions. 
> 
> Is this possibly a symptom of the Fel-V?  What sort of stuff should we be 
> looking for?
> 
> He’s such a sweet, loving kitty and my husband’s baby!  How can we help this 
> kitty?
> 
> Thanks for any help you can provide!
> Kristy
> 
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