When do cats throw up?
Now I am obviously hyper-sensitive towards Rompi, but there is something he always did in the past: when he eats some herbs [or grass, sorry, I am not sure about the appropriate English word], after some hours he always trow up, and there you find the herb [grass], still whole. Do your cats behave the same way?... Paolo
Re: Acemannan for sale
Hideyo, I AM INTERESTED in Acemannan, but I won't be able to talk to the oncologist until Wednesday, and to see him in person until Monday... If you have someone other interested and moving faster than me, please go on... otherwise I will write you on Wednesday or Monday. Paolo
Re: Rompi
Tonya, thank you for your thoughts. Yes, thanks to the advices from you all I succeeded in subscribing to the Feline Lymphoma and Feline Cancer groups. It results that I am no longer subscribed to Feline Anemia (!) although I regularly receive all the posts from that group (!). I am just afraid of un-subscribing and re-subscribing right away to Anemia (in order to reset the situation) because I feel that I would start receiving the same mail twice!!!... So, in the doubt... ;) Today I am trying to schedule a visit with the oncologist for tomorrow or thursday. I have even found a pharmacy that gets me pure L-Lysine and pure Dimethylglycine in powder, in 50 or 100 g cans, inexpensive, so Rompi is on both and on Omega3-EPA-DHA, doing great even if it's not a therapy but just a support. I remind to everybody that little O.T. of mine, posted saturday... ;) Michelle, please don't go: take a DEEP breath, but do not go. I feel so stupid. Sorry for running away but actually I have to run to work! Kisses to everybody Paolo
O.T.
Just to leave my brain cool down a little, an O.T. for the group. Is there any of you (or a close relative/friend) located in the area of Willimantic, CT? You can write me in private, if you think it's the case. Paolo
Re: Rompi's surgery has been cancelled
I don't know why but I am feeling relief that Rompi's surgery was cancelled. It is exactly the same for me... but I feel that Rompi's magic could break down at any time. I feel he is (we are) walking on eggs. I need to get in touch with an EMINENT American oncologist to have some opinion and input about the chemo protocols they proposed me, but I need it NOW!!! I feel like sitting on a time bomb. Paolo
Rompi's surgery has been cancelled
do they have Abbott Costello movies in Italy? Not only... Oliver Hardy too :) And now a local network is passing Quincy ME at 7am!!! When you signup it automatically GIVES you a @ yahoo.com email address, BUT, you don't have to use it for your yahoogroups if you don't want to. You just make something up there, anything, you could be [EMAIL PROTECTED] if you want to. Once you get an account set up, you can add additional email addresses to it, and choose which one you want your email to go to. Phaewryn, that's GREAT! Even because I have just discovered that my former Yahoo ID for the Feline Anemia group is not assigned, even if I am receiving posts from that group, so there is something definitely corrupted, or out of order, with that ID. At this point I am going to sign up as a new user to Feline Cancer and Feline Lymphoma, trying to have posts sent to my regular address. This is a must, because Rompi's surgery has been cancelled. I took Rompi in this morning, but when I talked to the surgeon about the operation, he told me that he examined Rompi's echographies, RX and bloodwork very carefully; considering that Rompi behaves just like he doesn't know he has got a tumor, the surgeon expressed his position that surgery would have been far too invasive and of uncertain outcome. He suggested to leave Rompi in peace with surgery and to go on with chemo and nutrition supplements only. Now, I can admit that I am more than relieved that the surgeon chose to not disturb what is, to my eyes, a miracle on paws. At this point, I have to go full throttle for information on chemotherapy options and lymphomas (Yahoo groups are now a must), and food supplements. From now on, Rompi will rely only on those to survive. Paolo
Re: Mylo's Passing
Chris, I too went through that, too much times... and every time, one just cannot believe it hurts so much, and to bear it once more seems impossible... but... Today, while I was at the vet's with Rompi, there was a lady with a black kitty, female, two years old, with asthma... she was black with a small white whiff under her neck... she was just so MAGIC, with that look in her eyes, so tender... the look of the good cat. I was about to steal her right there! :) In that moment I understood that, notwithstanding anything, it's impossible to live without cats, and that the horrible, exhausting experience of letting them go is the toll for what we have received from them during their life. We could discuss if that toll is fair or too high, but that's it. Paolo P.S. I'm going to call the vet's to ask when the black kitty with asthma is scheduled next time... ;)
Re: Please send more prayers for Lucy
I am with you two Michelle. Paolo
Re: acemannan side effects?
Hideyo, you can contact this doctor: Dr. Greg Biehle, DVM Brykerwood Veterinary Clinic 1501 W. 35th Street Austin, TX 78703 (512) 454-3833 E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] He is the head of Acemannan. Ask him and, *please*, report here on the list what he said you. I am desperate. As you probably saw, my Rompi can't have surgery, he can rely only on chemotherapy and food supplements to survive, and the oncologists here have discarded Acemannan as principal therapy vs. conventional chemo because it seems to be not as effective as it is pretended. Now you say that the visible tumor in your Jojo has gone away with Acemannan... I HAVE LESS THAN 24 HOURS BEFORE STARTING CHEMO AND MY HEAD IS JUST BLOWING UP! Please tell here your Jojo story, and do call that man!!! Thank you Paolo (panicking again)
RE: acemannan side effects?
Hideyo, Acemannan is not reported to have any serious side effect, its toxicity is next to zero...the problem is that ON SOME CATS IT DOESN'T WORK AT ALL! Could you please be more specific about the nature of Jojo's tumor? Lymphoma? Sarcoma? Fibrosarcoma? Do you have cytologic/histologic exams? Paolo (at the point of exploding)
Acemannan... D**N!!!
Acemannan is not registered in Europe, and for the same reason cannot even be shipped here in Italy. The only possibility is Switzerland (not member of the European Union), and from there to Italy. Time is above one month. A box of four doses of 10 mg each costs about 200 Euros, minimum order is three boxes, total about 600 euros. Here we have something strange, Elizabeth, because your boxes contained FIVE doses, not four... were 10 mg doses? Could you please tell me the COMMERCIAL NAME of your injectable Acemannan? Was it CARRAVET? Do you have any factory reference code? My problem is not the 600 euros: it is the 30 day, and it is that it could simply not work. Just to summarize: Elizabeth, Mama Kitty had FeLV/anemia but NOT any tumor, right? Hideyo, direct Acemannan injection into the tumor is reported in literature, but with SARCOMA OR FIBROSARCOMA, not LYMPHOMA (like with my Rompi). Please be more precise about Jojo's tumor, pleasepleasepleasepleaseplease... Paolo (definitely panicking)
Re: Acemannan... D**N!!!
Another possibility could be the Vatican City Pharmacy... the Vatican City in Rome (Holy See) is a State by itself, and its pharmacy can get drugs not registered in Italy... now I remember that lots of people go there to get cancer/AIDS drugs not available on the other side of the square... Hideyo PLEASE! Post here a resume of Jojo's story, but with all the details you have about the tumor, tomorrow morning I am going to talk to another oncologist about Acemannan, but I *must* have precise data to submit to him! Paolo (exhausted/depressed...)
RE: Acemannan... D**N!!!
Hideyo, I am going to sleep because for today I have given all I could give... Please, I ask you one last favour, I will read it tomorrow morning before going to work, now I simply do not have the time to do it by myself (it's 23:15 over here). Please post the summarized history of Jojo, FIV/FeLV status, what you know of the tumor(s) [number/position] but especially HOW you administered Acemannan: - WHERE (point or points of injection) - HOW MANY TIMES and TIME INTERVAL IN BETWEEN (if more than once) - DOSES (if you remember it) - TIME BETWEEN SHOT(S) AND REGRESSION OF TUMOR(S) I need these data in order to have something CONCRETE to submit to the oncologist. Now I can go to bed and faint... Paolo
Something ODD with Yahoo groups (sorry Michelle...)
My deepest excuses to you all and especially to Michelle that is having an hard time with Lucy... tomorrow, at this precise time, will be my turn. I would ask to anybody subscribed to the Feline Anemia group of Yahoo, to check this issue. When you receive the Digest (if you are in digest mode), if you click on the Create new topic or Visit your group on the web links (bottom of the Email), are you sent to a page where you are already logged in (because you were authenticated by the link embedded in the very Email) or do you need to login anyway? I am NOT logged in, and this is definitely odd, because I am clicking on a link embedded in an Email that I received being a legitimate subscriber of that group... it looks sort of having been deleted from the Feline Anemia subscribers, except for the only fact that I am still receiving the posts. Your feedback would be the only way to understand what is really going on. Thank you again Paolo
Re: to Wendy
Sorry again folks, this is the answer to Wendy's mail of yesterday, I am losing my pieces along the road... I hope this can be of some interest to everybody, of course. Is Rompi's surgery to remove the mass, or to just take a look? Wendy, Rompi's surgery would be (hopefully) intended to remove the mass, BUT, should the mass turn out to be located on the pancreas OR on the ileocaecal valve, they will be unable to remove it safely, and in this case the mass would be left there (but they would pick up a sample anyway, for biopsy). Michelle is our resident lymphoma expert. She's really knowledgeable on the matter. I believe you, but now I prefer to leave Michelle in peace with the troubles she's having already... Have you looked into chemo for Rompi? What about epogen for the anemia? Rompi is NOT anemic, luckily! His blood panel is that of a 1-year old cat, and FIV-/FeLV-... not even fleas. At least! (I subscribed to Feline Anemia group at the time when we were struggling against Frizzina's anemia, that would have eventually killed her... but Frizzina was FeLV+) We talked about chemo yesterday, even because vet's own cat had chemo and a lymphoma removed 3 years ago (still alive and happy), but not in depth due to lack of further info on what's going on inside. I have a personal list of items for the times to come: nutrition supplements (L-Lysine, DMG and Omega3-EPA-DHA on top), and I would like to try Acemannan as a general support (but not intended to replace chemo). Oh, I wish to take advantage of this mail to ask you two more things. The first one is (again) on Yahoo groups: have those of you that are members of Feline Anemia the possibility to scroll a MEMBERS LIST?... Just to see if I show up there, who knows... The second one is about the 10-days period between surgery and the removal of stitches. The vet indicated, as an alternative to the evil plastic gorget (here in Italy it is called Elizabethan collar, don't know in the USA but for sure you know what I am talking about), to use a wool or cotton sleeve to protect his abdomen, like a vest or shirt, but with sleeves, because without something to pass his front legs through, he would push down the edge quite easily. I would absolutely prefer this solution because the Elizabethan collar would keep Rompi from eating, drinking, grooming, and just resting. Do you have any experience with the shirt? Any photo to share? Any suggestion? Thank you to everybody Paolo
Now I am too much calm...
I am probably going nuts, but now I am perfectly calm and I feel there is something wrong with this, sort of I am going to panic because I am not longer panicking... OK, later on this... i sent you an off-list email yesterday, with a link MaryChristine, sorry I didn't see it, yesterday I was panicking... I tried that link and it drives me straight to the usual wizard page, nothing new unluckily... You can subscribe to yahoogroups if you want to, you just refuse to do it Phaewrin, I tried *all* the links you provided me, but I assure you that nothing worked... On the other hand, you are 50% right: I am not refusing to create a new ID, simply I don't want to have that kind of Email sent to *any* webmail portal, because saving it on my local disk, merging everything into a *single file* would be atrocious! I want it sent to my regular account! BUT... I have just noted that many subscribers of Feline Anemia have a non-Yahoo address, so meaning that IT IS POSSIBLE!!! And so, in the page for creating a new ID (http://img211.imageshack.us/img211/4528/screenshotqo1.jpg) why the Yahoo ID is pre-filled with the @yahoo.com domain? Is the Yahoo ID the address where they will send the posts of that group, or not? So how did the non-Yahoo subscribers to put in their address?!? I am confused... Renee, thank you very much for the photo, it has been very helpful (and Emily is beautiful, and has got some amazing paws, I always fall in love with cats with large paws!!!) Paolo
Re: Rompi
Wendy, thank you for asking. Rompi's surgery has been scheduled for thursday morning. Today's RX showed nothing abnormal, apart that evil thing with the diameter of a golf ball. Rompi has no symptoms, eats like a lion, evacuates like a lion, is FIV-/FeLV- and the vet says that his blood test panel would make happy a lot of 1-year old kitties (rompi is 14). I need INFORMATION, I cannot subscribe to the lymphoma and cancer Yahoo groups, I wrote to the Feline Anemia list owner (I subscribed there maybe 5 or 6 years ago) but NO ONE ANSWERS Paolo (worried/angry)
Yahoo groups
Sorry to disturb you folks, I have been unable to contact the list owner of Feline Anemia (the one I subscribed years ago) to come out of the ID/Password trouble... Any of you could have that list owner contact me please? Thank you, and hugs to everybody. Paolo
Re: Please pray for Lucy
Michelle, please do remember, *always*, that a 100% reliable assessment of FIP (dry or wet) CANNOT be made until the cat is alive: only necroscopic exams could tell the final word. There is plenty of cases of cats definitely diagnosed with FIP, that did not have it, just a panel of symptoms that resembled (but actually were not) FIP... ;) Paolo
Rompi
Sorry for not having written before, yesterday I was just too shocked and needed a rest to gather my ideas. In addition, very high stress always induces me sleep, just could not stay awake. We haven't assessed more specifically the type of lymphoma yet, but are going to do it between today and monday. Michelle, I have a problem with Yahoo groups. I am a subscriber of the feline anemia group since 2000 or maybe even before, so I guess I have an User ID and password (but my Email address is not with Yahoo, as you can see). But now, at 7+ years, I cannot remember my ID or password any longer. The strange thing is that I remember there was a security question to be answered, that I filled in at the moment of subscription, that should serve to retrieve ID and/or Password. But I am unable to find where to access to that question. In addition, even trying to create a new profile as a new user, Yahoo only accepts @yahoo.com addresses where to send group posts. This is definitely odd. Is it possible that, being a member of the Feline Anemia group already, and so receiving the posts, there isn't a way to have me recognized as a legitimate user? Is there a way to write to a human being at Yahoo, and not to a stupid automated answer system? Soon Paolo
Re: Rompi
Go to the lymphoma group home page and look at the bottom for the list owner's email address and email her to ask what to do UGH!... excellent idea... it was just too easy for my twisted mind... Thank you Michelle! Paolo
Rompi has lymphoma
Just back from the vet's, talked to the oncologist, the result of the analysis is that the 4 cm mass felt by palpation and visualized by ecography is lymphoma. Feel devastated but do not surrender. I am going to dig the archives, the web and my old arsenal. Paolo
Acemannan or Carrisyn
After so much time keeping an eye on the list, and writing only on particular circumstances, now I am the one that is needing your help. My cat Rompi, probably, has a tumor near his stomach. It is not certain yet, the precise assessment is still to be done, tomorrow I'll take him in for an exam whose English name I don't remember (being my big dictionary at work, I'm at home now) but very common. So it could be or could not be, but in these cases being optimistic is not very useful. *If* it turns out to be a tumor, and *if* the oncologyst assesses that there is room for chemio, in that case I would propose to try Acemannan, aka Carrisyn. It seems to be a localized mass, so injecting the stuff in it could just work. I say again, there is nothing certain today, but I need to save time, since Acemannan/Carrisyn seems not to be manufactured here in Europe, please correct me if I'm wrong. What I need is to localize a source (pharmacy, or the very Carrington) that has Acemannan off-the-shelf, and have it shipped to me in the shortest time. Should that thing turn out not to be a tumor, well, I will donate my Acemannan to some person in need, on or off the list. But if it is... I'm going to need it damn fast. Could any of you give me the present situation about Acemannan? Right after sending this message, I am going to dig the internet for info, so I'll be online at least for the next five hours, in case. Thank you in advance. Paolo
Re: P.S.
Thank you Elizabeth, in effects, notwithstanding Acemannan and Carrisyn are sometimes used as synonyms, I am beginning to suspect that they aren't actually synonyms. I will stick with Acemannan. Paolo
This is becoming a nightmare
Sorry to harass you folks... I have written an Email to VPL, stating very clearly in the subject line it was damn URGENT... VPL is in Phoenix, AZ... is there any of you located in that area that could give them a ring on the phone, telling them to have a D**M look at the Email from a desperate in Italy?... Their phone is 1.888.241.9545 (uhm... is it a toll free number from anywhere in the USA?) Many thanks again, I am falling asleep from the stress. Paolo
Again on Acemannan
Hi all, I just received an Email from Central Life Sciences (suppliers of Acemannan manufactured by Carrington), where they inform me that, since Acemannan is not registered in Europe, they cannot ship it to me. This is, in reverse, the same problem that turned out four years ago with Feline Interferon. My only idea for coming out of this §H|# (sorry) is to have somebody in the US buy Acemannan and ship it to me with UPS (everything paid in anticipation with my money, of course). If any of you is willing to do this for Rompi, please contact me by private Email to discuss the details. Thank you in advance. Paolo
Re: anyone know a good list to ask about acemannan?
Michelle, I don't have anything recent at hand, just quite old stuff (except the first one in the list), but definitely worth a read: http://www.emergenthomestore.com/techcat/preloaded_latch/administration_acemannan.html http://209.85.135.104/search?q=cache:wH90snr6YAEJ:www.subtleenergies.com/ORMUS/health/health.htm+acemannan+tumor+injected+hollowhl=itgl=itct=clnkcd=1 http://209.85.135.104/search?q=cache:-iLzWL7do9EJ:www.geocities.com/HotSprings/Spa/8025/9801152.txt+acemannan+tumor+injected+hollowhl=itgl=itct=clnkcd=5 http://209.85.135.104/search?q=cache:QJWOFhrp5pYJ:www.hometospirit.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php%3Ft%3D298%26sid%3D5b91a53fbf3b1742446163016fd86776+acemannan+tumor+injected+hollowhl=itgl=itct=clnkcd=6 You may want to search more information using the other, less known name of Acemannan, that is CARRISYN. You will find a lot more material. Paolo
Re: anyone know a good list to ask about acemannan?
Michelle, even if I post nearly nothing, I always keep an eye on the list... ;) just in case... ;) Acemannan (or Carrisyn) seems to be under test in Belgium, but on humans, not a veterinary trial. About FDA, it is my (very) educate guess that if they suspended manufacture of Acemannan in the USA due to a paranoia of theirs, they could not be willing to let the stuff enter the USA from abroad as well... Anyway, did you talk to Carrington about this, and the possibility to get some Acemannan by showing up directly at their door and knocking?... ;) I would do it... ;) Paolo
Re: VO interferon - taken orally
You're going to waste it (and your money too), the effect (if any) would be exactly the same as human Interferon given orally. The problem with HUMAN interferon is that it can ONLY be given orally because, if injected, it would easily cause neurological damages, moreless the same way injecting VO (feline) to a human :) Take care Paolo
RE: VO interferon - taken orally to PAOLO
Hideyo, if we talk of INJECTED interferon, Feline Interferon works on cats exactly the same way Human Interferon works on humans... Provided that there isn't yet an extensive database about Feline Interferon on cats like the huge amount of information that we have for Human Interferon (because VO is too young a product and the numbers of the patients involved are way too different, of course...) we know that the problems that Human Interferon COULD cause (and sometimes causes) in humans are basically the same that Feline Interferon COULD cause in cats, because the mechanism of action is the same (but keep present, anyway, that to date even the mechanism of action of Human Interferon on humans has been NOT fully understood yet...) You cannot inject Human Interferon to a cat simply because the DNA of humans is alot too different from the DNA of cats, and vice versa. The principle of action of orally-given Interferon (human or feline is just the same) in cats is that it acts basically as an immunostimulant, i.e. it is seen by the organism as foreign matter, causing it to raise its *general* defenses, essentially shooting at anything that moves, including the FELV/FIV virus... and that's all. No magic. When injected, Interferon acts more directly as an ANTIVIRAL: this is the reason for the two very different levels of results for the two modes for administering it, oral or injected. You can easily perceive that a molecule that is intended to be put DIRECTLY in the bloodstream to kill a virus without killing the host organism at the same time, must be much, much more compatible with it than a molecule that is intended to enter the organism with the safety net of the digestive system in between, to act just as a dummy target for the bullets of the immune system, where the hope is that the bullets hit the real target (the virus) in the background of the stage where the dummy target moves :) Sorry for my very poor explanation. Paolo
Re:
Thank you folks, I was just a bit worried, receiving nothing from the list is not usual... A couple of times in the past my ISP came up with the idea of Felvtalk being a spam source and subsequently filtering it, I just wanted to be sure this was not the case :) Paolo
Re: Interferon Omega - info for person wanting help
Basically, the Mahl-Maynard protocol works this way: each shot contains 1 MILLION UNITS per kg weight of the cat; one shot/day for 5 CONSECUTIVE DAYS (generally monday to friday for vet's convenience... ;) A little reaction (vomit and/or diarrhea) is expected the week after when the Virbagen Omega kicks in, but it may vary from case to case and is generally self-extinguishing. It is fundamental that, once the vial of VO is reconstituted with the supplied liquid, the solution is used that same day, as it CANNOT BE SAFELY PRESERVED for the day after, not even in the refrigerator. Paolo
Re: Interferon Omega - info for person wanting help
Karen, the price depends on the SIZE of the vials, there are two sizes on the market but I can't tell anything about the price simply because I used it long ago, one should select the best size considering the weight and (in case) the NUMBER of cats to be treated, in order to minimize the waste... Even the 1 million units/kg is not engraved in stone, our Micia was given (if I remember right) around 850-900,000 units per Kg because there was another cat being trated simultaneously and we shared the cost of the vials with the other owner, but although the dose was a bit lower, the outcome was simply a miracle on paws... injection or iv Paolo? The usual subcutaneous shots. Paolo
TESTING
I am not receiving any message from the list... TESTING 1 2 3... Paolo
To Hideyo - Julie
Hello Hideyo, no news about Julie. Unfortunately, since I live in Italy, I do not have access to US phone directories, and in addition the costs of calling from here to you are pure astronomy... so I have to wait until some of you succeeds in locating her OR Julie herself pops up again... Bye Paolo
Re: Virbagen Omega Interferon
...sounds like you guys have to kick hard in the a** the FDA so they stop making troubles to get the magic stuff in the USA... :) Paolo Sue Taft wrote: I have a friend who uses it for two FeLV cats, both seem to be thriving. The first vet who saw one of these wanted to put her to sleep as she had ulcers in her mouth. These have gone and she is a picture of health. Good luck with yours.
Re: Sandra - Virbagen Omega Dosage
Hi Sandra, I do confirm the dosage given by Marlene's vet: 1 MU/kg is the same dose that we used here in Italy (where Virbagen Omega is commonly found at any vet pharmacy), with the difference that we did not need to repeat the treatment at day 14 and 60 because Micia did great immediately (literally thrived) right after the first cycle. Paolo
To Nina - Virbagen Omega
Nina, given orally, Virbagen Omega would work exactly like the human interferon that so many people on the list administer orally... considered the cost and the difficulties to get Feline Interferon in the USA, there is simply no reason for doing so! The protocol (1MU/kg for 5 consecutive days) was taken from a clinical double-blind trial carried on by Mahl, Maynard et al. It was tested under strictly controlled conditions, and it did work. I do not mean in any way that, since Micia did great (and I mean really G-R-E-A-T!) after a single cycle, others may not need the cycles at days 14 and 60: that was simply my personal experience. But the dose of 1MU/kg is absolutely right. The other thing, Nina, if you remember my past messages about this, is that differently from human interferon, Virbagen Omega CANNOT be stored in the refrigerator once reconstituted, because it does not contain any preservative: it must be used immediately, if you try to save if for the day after, you spoil it of its power. Paolo
Julie Johnson
Hello everybody, is any of you still in contact with Julie? I haven't heard from her since December, wrote her in pvt more than once with no results, and I am a bit worried (actually more than a bit). Paolo
Re: Idexx Snap Combo test
I was wondering if anyone here has heard of the Idexx Snap test Even here in Italy it has a reputation of excellence... Paolo
Missing messages?!?...
Hi all, it's since last saturday (sept. 8th) that I am receiving very few messages from the list, in comparison with the usual flow. I was suspecting that my ISP set up some kind of anti-spam filter, but in that case I would have received nothing at all... instead, I received two messages yesterday, three the day before and so on. Any idea of what's happening? Paolo
OT - Sparrow help
Hi all, I know this could sound quite bizarre but... well, two days ago I found a little sparrow in the garden, he stayed perfectly immobile and when tried to fly, could fly only for a very few meters. I took him to my house (I save you the details about how to segregate my cat from the little sparrow...) He's not that small, just a bit smaller than an adult sparrow, with the light down [underfur feathers] typical of the baby birds half gone already. The problem is that he doesn't eat nothing solid, no bread, no rice, and no meat of course (ham, finely minced meat). He only wanted water+ sugar I understand it gives carbohydrate and avoid dehydration, but it's definitely not good on the long term because sparrows are carnivores, they eat insects... he's totally lacking any protein input. It sounds odd, but all the offices of the italian bird protection association are closed for holiday!!! I need advice about how to give proteins to him, and I need it urgently!!! Thank you to everybody Paolo
To The List: Threads
Hi all, I would like to ask to all of you to pay attention in NOT carrying on threads that refer to recently passed away furbabies, like for example Re: Kyle, how's Brissle tonight? for obvious reasons with respect to their humans... Thank you very much for understanding. Paolo
