Re: [Felvtalk] Can we help this woman

[Marsha]

Some shelters in northern states are actually importing dogs from 
southern shelters.  Not cats, though.  I did get my last FeLV+ cat (RIP 
sweet Brock) from a shelter nearly 2 hours away.  He was there 3 months 
before I adopted him.


Marsha


On 6/2/2016 6:23 AM, Margo wrote:
Robert wrote; "There really are NO rescue groups in her vicinity that 
would hold on to her animals until she got better settled??   That is 
SO sad  there are quite a few up here that would do itas well 
as shelters that will NOT kill them as long as she takes them back in 
a reasonable amount of time..."


   Part of the issue it that we don't have anyone 
physically "there", and familiar with the area and it's resources. 
Someone who could connect with this family and facilitate what CAN be 
accomplished.


   I know around here, no-one would be able to do 
what you suggest, housing a mixed group of animals for an undetermined 
time would basically put most of their rescue work on hold. They're 
not set up for long-term fosters of groups of animals, especially for 
an undetermined time.


BUT! If you could connect with those groups 
near you, they might have contacts in the Charleston area that could 
do the same thing. Rescues are often networked with other similar 
organizations, and work in similar ways. Most I work with are "foster 
based", meaning they take one or two pets, and place them in private 
homes while working to find permanent placement. What this family 
needs is a "group home". A place that has no resident animals, but is 
willing to take on take 6 animals with no idea for how long. I would 
LOVE to be wrong, so maybe the groups you know can lead the way...


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Re: [Felvtalk] Can we help this woman

[Margo]

Robert wrote; "There really are NO rescue groups in her vicinity that would hold on to 
her animals until she got better settled??   That is SO sad  there 
are quite a few up here that would do itas well as shelters that 
will NOT kill them as long as she takes them back in a reasonable amount
 of time..."   Part of the issue it that we don't have anyone physically "there", and familiar with the area and it's resources. Someone who could connect with this family and facilitate what CAN be accomplished.    I know around here, no-one would be able to do what you suggest, housing a mixed group of animals for an undetermined time would basically put most of their rescue work on hold. They're not set up for long-term fosters of groups of animals, especially for an undetermined time.    BUT! If you could connect with those groups near you, they might have contacts in the Charleston area that could do the same thing. Rescues are often networked with other similar organizations, and work in similar ways. Most I work with are "foster based", meaning they take one or two pets, and place them in private homes while working to find permanent placement. What this family needs is a "group home". A place that has no resident animals, but is willing to take on take 6 animals with no idea for how long. I would LOVE to be wrong, so maybe the groups you know can lead the way...Margo-Original Message-
From: ROBERT CHAPEL <bcha...@optonline.net>
Sent: Jun 1, 2016 8:32 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Can we help this woman

Looks like my most  recent idea is a bust   I get the impression from the last posts I see that she is WITH her animals in this motel.There really are NO rescue groups in her vicinity that would hold on to her animals until she got better settled??   That is SO sad  there are quite a few up here that would do itas well as shelters that will NOT kill them as long as she takes them back in a reasonable amount of time...You folks are phenomenal in what you are doing for this woman I'll contribute what I can

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Re: [Felvtalk] Can we help this woman.....

[Margo]

Just because I don't know how familiar everyone is with public Shelter policies, "Owner Surrendered" animals are first to be euthanized. It's generally a space issue, too many animals, and no place to put them. The FeLV cat is done as soon as the paperwork is complete. S/he will either go straight there, or into a holding cage until the next euthanasia session."No-kill" Shelters generally have long waiting lists, contingencies and most do not accept FeLV cats.It's a bad situation.Margo-Original Message-
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Sent: Jun 1, 2016 8:29 PM
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Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Can we help this woman.





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Hi Robert
 
I don’t think it is an option for her to check into a hospital because the animals would likely then be confiscated and she is very worried about them. I am so
 impressed with her refusal to hand them over to a shelter. She tried to do that on one occasion, but they wanted her to sign a form saying they had full authority to do whatever they wanted with the animals, so she refused to sign and went home again with
 her animals.
 
She is currently in a motel which allows animals, so yes, they are with her right now. Her son is also staying with her to help her out and the only income coming
 in is from his part-time employment. I guess that is what they are using to feed the animals and to buy some groceries. She told me that a woman had called her and offered to buy them some groceries, and she asked instead if the woman would be willing to pay
 for a vet visit for one of her cats, so that was what the donor did.
 
I understand completely where you’re coming from Robert, in terms of spending all your money on your cats. With respect to time, what I really need is someone
 to help me locate a good deal (I have done a great deal of searching on Kijiji and found a few excellent ones no one has responded to my emails), and to inspect the mobile home/small home and to finalize the deal. The longer she is in the motel, the more money
 has to go to the rental rather than the mobile home. Several of the ones I saw had “rent to own” options, so ideally, she could put any extra money towards that option rather than paying for the motel room.
 
I agree with you that she needs social assistance and I think she was getting assistance with her housing until she got evicted early this year. Problem is her
 Form 8 is expiring on Monday and she hasn’t found a place that will accept the form and which fits the criteria set out in the Form 8 form. Frankly, though, if I can get her into some other form of permanent housing like a mobile form, she should be okay.
 
I also agree with you Robert that we are all very gun-shy about getting scammed. I confess that this is why it took me so long to get going on this (in addition
 to my insane work commitments!). I wanted to speak with her, check out her story as much as possible, etc. I mean, there’s no way to check things out 100% of course, but I think she is legit – especially when she does things like redirect donor money away
 from herself and to pay her vet instead.
 
Amani
 
From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org]
On Behalf Of ROBERT CHAPEL
Sent: June-01-16 8:12 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
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Having a hard time ( as usual) getting this all straight in the digest formie... where this woman and her cats actually stand at the momentbut...

 


I would suggest, as a possibility,  ( and I can only remember 2 instances when I have made this suggestion) that she have herself admitted to the local hospital and tell them she has NO where
 to go upon dischargethough should not admit this up front. The last 11 yrs of my life I worked as a Hospital ER and Inpatient Social Worker  and Hospitals ( at least in NYS) are not allowed to discharge patients who are homeless and in need of medical
 services post discharge  This will put a discharge planner on the case who will assist with finding a place for her to live.  Admittedly...   it will not be the perfect arrangement but might buy her some time and will definitely be better than nothing.
 I could say with assurance if she lived in NYS that this would BE a good answer SC could well be different If I could speak with her directly I would know better if this could be an answer for her  ( are her animals all still with her at this point??)   



I have time I could devote to this but precious little extra money my own cats are eating up my expendable income


 


I cannot tell you how many times I was severely scammed by people doing this simply TO get housing. bout time the 

Re: [Felvtalk] Can we help this woman.....

[Margo]

Kelley wrote;"The south is MUCH different from New York State.  It is much cheaper to 
live here and there are correspondingly fewer services.  I could never 
dream of having a lot of stuff they have in NYS."   Very true. And her inability to get around doesn't help, I'm sure.Margo-Original Message-
From: Kelley S <moonv...@gmail.com>
Sent: Jun 1, 2016 8:22 PM
To: felvtalk <felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Can we help this woman.

The south is MUCH different from New York State.  It is much cheaper to live here and there are correspondingly fewer services.  I could never dream of having a lot of stuff they have in NYS.  On Wed, Jun 1, 2016 at 7:12 PM, ROBERT CHAPEL <bcha...@optonline.net> wrote:Having a hard time ( as usual) getting this all straight in the digest formie... where this woman and her cats actually stand at the momentbut...I would suggest, as a possibility,  ( and I can only remember 2 instances when I have made this suggestion) that she have herself admitted to the local hospital and tell them she has NO where to go upon dischargethough should not admit this up front. The last 11 yrs of my life I worked as a Hospital ER and Inpatient Social Worker  and Hospitals ( at least in NYS) are not allowed to discharge patients who are homeless and in need of medical services post discharge  This will put a discharge planner on the case who will assist with finding a place for her to live.  Admittedly...   it will not be the perfect arrangement but might buy her some time and will definitely be better than nothing. I could say with assurance if she lived in NYS that this would BE a good answer SC could well be different If I could speak with her directly I would know better if this could be an answer for her  ( are her animals all still with her at this point??)    I have time I could devote to this but precious little extra money my own cats are eating up my expendable incomeI cannot tell you how many times I was severely scammed by people doing this simply TO get housing. bout time the secret was out for someone who deserves the assistance ( legitimate decent people seldom DO this intentionally)  Just a suggestion I'm also wondering if she has home health services??  Health Insurance??  Likely has state Medicaid given her situation and the Section 8 approval.   She NEEDS state Social Services involved ___
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Re: [Felvtalk] Can we help this woman.....

[Amani Oakley]

Hi Robert

I don’t think it is an option for her to check into a hospital because the 
animals would likely then be confiscated and she is very worried about them. I 
am so impressed with her refusal to hand them over to a shelter. She tried to 
do that on one occasion, but they wanted her to sign a form saying they had 
full authority to do whatever they wanted with the animals, so she refused to 
sign and went home again with her animals.

She is currently in a motel which allows animals, so yes, they are with her 
right now. Her son is also staying with her to help her out and the only income 
coming in is from his part-time employment. I guess that is what they are using 
to feed the animals and to buy some groceries. She told me that a woman had 
called her and offered to buy them some groceries, and she asked instead if the 
woman would be willing to pay for a vet visit for one of her cats, so that was 
what the donor did.

I understand completely where you’re coming from Robert, in terms of spending 
all your money on your cats. With respect to time, what I really need is 
someone to help me locate a good deal (I have done a great deal of searching on 
Kijiji and found a few excellent ones no one has responded to my emails), and 
to inspect the mobile home/small home and to finalize the deal. The longer she 
is in the motel, the more money has to go to the rental rather than the mobile 
home. Several of the ones I saw had “rent to own” options, so ideally, she 
could put any extra money towards that option rather than paying for the motel 
room.

I agree with you that she needs social assistance and I think she was getting 
assistance with her housing until she got evicted early this year. Problem is 
her Form 8 is expiring on Monday and she hasn’t found a place that will accept 
the form and which fits the criteria set out in the Form 8 form. Frankly, 
though, if I can get her into some other form of permanent housing like a 
mobile form, she should be okay.

I also agree with you Robert that we are all very gun-shy about getting 
scammed. I confess that this is why it took me so long to get going on this (in 
addition to my insane work commitments!). I wanted to speak with her, check out 
her story as much as possible, etc. I mean, there’s no way to check things out 
100% of course, but I think she is legit – especially when she does things like 
redirect donor money away from herself and to pay her vet instead.

Amani

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of ROBERT 
CHAPEL
Sent: June-01-16 8:12 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Can we help this woman.




Having a hard time ( as usual) getting this all straight in the digest 
formie... where this woman and her cats actually stand at the 
momentbut...

I would suggest, as a possibility,  ( and I can only remember 2 instances when 
I have made this suggestion) that she have herself admitted to the local 
hospital and tell them she has NO where to go upon dischargethough should 
not admit this up front. The last 11 yrs of my life I worked as a Hospital 
ER and Inpatient Social Worker  and Hospitals ( at least in NYS) are not 
allowed to discharge patients who are homeless and in need of medical services 
post discharge  This will put a discharge planner on the case who will 
assist with finding a place for her to live.  Admittedly...   it will not 
be the perfect arrangement but might buy her some time and will definitely be 
better than nothing. I could say with assurance if she lived in NYS 
that this would BE a good answer SC could well be different If I 
could speak with her directly I would know better if this could be an answer 
for her  ( are her animals all still with her at this point??)
I have time I could devote to this but precious little extra money my own 
cats are eating up my expendable income

I cannot tell you how many times I was severely scammed by people doing this 
simply TO get housing. bout time the secret was out for someone who 
deserves the assistance ( legitimate decent people seldom DO this 
intentionally)  Just a suggestion I'm also wondering if she has 
home health services??  Health Insurance??  Likely has state Medicaid given her 
situation and the Section 8 approval.   She NEEDS state Social Services 
involved

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[Kelley S]

The south is MUCH different from New York State.  It is much cheaper to
live here and there are correspondingly fewer services.  I could never
dream of having a lot of stuff they have in NYS.

On Wed, Jun 1, 2016 at 7:12 PM, ROBERT CHAPEL  wrote:

>
>
>
> Having a hard time ( as usual) getting this all straight in the digest
> formie... where this woman and her cats actually stand at the
> momentbut...
>
> I would suggest, as a possibility,  ( and I can only remember 2 instances
> when I have made this suggestion) that she have herself admitted to the
> local hospital and tell them she has NO where to go upon
> dischargethough should not admit this up front. The last 11 yrs of
> my life I worked as a Hospital ER and Inpatient Social Worker  and
> Hospitals ( at least in NYS) are not allowed to discharge patients who are
> homeless and in need of medical services post discharge  This will put
> a discharge planner on the case who will assist with finding a place for
> her to live.  Admittedly...   it will not be the perfect arrangement
> but might buy her some time and will definitely be better than
> nothing. I could say with assurance if she lived in NYS that this
> would BE a good answer SC could well be different If I could
> speak with her directly I would know better if this could be an answer for
> her  ( are her animals all still with her at this point??)
> I have time I could devote to this but precious little extra money my
> own cats are eating up my expendable income
>
> I cannot tell you how many times I was severely scammed by people doing
> this simply TO get housing. bout time the secret was out for someone
> who deserves the assistance ( legitimate decent people seldom DO this
> intentionally)  Just a suggestion I'm also wondering if she
> has home health services??  Health Insurance??  Likely has state Medicaid
> given her situation and the Section 8 approval.   She NEEDS state
> Social Services involved
>
>
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[ROBERT CHAPEL]

Having a hard time ( as usual) getting this all straight in the digest 
formie... where this woman and her cats actually stand at the 
momentbut...


I would suggest, as a possibility,  ( and I can only remember 2 
instances when I have made this suggestion) that she have herself 
admitted to the local hospital and tell them she has NO where to go upon 
dischargethough should not admit this up front. The last 11 yrs 
of my life I worked as a Hospital ER and Inpatient Social Worker  and 
Hospitals ( at least in NYS) are not allowed to discharge patients who 
are homeless and in need of medical services post discharge  This 
will put a discharge planner on the case who will assist with finding a 
place for her to live.  Admittedly...   it will not be the perfect 
arrangement but might buy her some time and will definitely be better 
than nothing. I could say with assurance if she lived in NYS 
that this would BE a good answer SC could well be different 
If I could speak with her directly I would know better if this could be 
an answer for her  ( are her animals all still with her at this 
point??)   
I have time I could devote to this but precious little extra money 
my own cats are eating up my expendable income



I cannot tell you how many times I was severely scammed by people doing 
this simply TO get housing. bout time the secret was out for someone 
who deserves the assistance ( legitimate decent people seldom DO this 
intentionally)  Just a suggestion I'm also wondering if 
she has home health services??  Health Insurance??  Likely has state 
Medicaid given her situation and the Section 8 approval.   She NEEDS 
state Social Services involved




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