Re: [Felvtalk] Subject: Maggie
I wouldn't stop giving the CoQ10 because it really helps cats with suppressed immune systems - their gums, teeth - are very susceptible - CoQ10 not only prevents it but is good for so many other things. What's a little more powder in their food? Natalie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Stacy Zacher Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2010 2:51 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Subject: Maggie Hi Tanya: I am so sorry about your Maggie. My FELV+ kitty was diagnosed with Early HCM years ago but it never really progressed much beyond a certain thickness on one side. He also was diagnosed with a perfect valentine shaped heart - misshapen. I used to give him CoQ10 - mixed in his canned food - 10 mg per day for his HCM. I can't say if it did or did not help but it didn't seem to hurt him at all. I stopped giving it to him when he was diagnosed with FELV - no reason really other than I'm giving him so much other stuff right now! Saying purrayers for your furbaby. Stacy = Message: 4 Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2010 08:08:05 -0700 (PDT) From: TANYA NOE sashacatgodd...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Maggie Message-ID: 630180.7808...@web57902.mail.re3.yahoo.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Hello everyone, ? ???It has been a while since I have been able to get on. I found out last month that my FelV+ Maggie who turned 2 years old 16 days ago was just diagnosed with a grade 4/6 heart murmur. She has seen many vets in her short life and has not had a detectable one previously not even 7 months ago when she had her bi-annual physical and blood work. I took her in for her physical and because lately she has had some exercise intolerance that isn't normal for a 2 year old. Her heart ultrasound gave us a diagnosis of hypertrophic cardiomyopathy. Her walls were very thick and flow greatly reduced. We started he on Enalapril. I was wondering if anyone else has had the same diagnosis and if so if there was anything that worked well for your little ones. Her heart disease is progressing very quickly and I was told that with her type there isn't anything they can do to slow it down, we are only making her more comfortable with the Enalapril by making her heart not have to work as hard. Any advice is appreciated, Tanya (Maggie's Mom) stacy_zac...@yahoo.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Subject: Maggie
what, exactly, does CoQ10 prevent? and could you give some cites to research data on it? i haven't seen anything in a long time, and would be interested in seeing what the clinical findings are. additionally, cats who test positive for the FeLV antigen only once are not necessarily actually positive. even if they are persistently viremic, they are just normal cats until and if the virus is activated. while they are asymptomatic, they are not seriously immune compromised, and presuming that everything that happens to a cat who happens to FeLV+ is related to that status is not borne out in the real world of sanctuaries and multi-positive homes. i will post, yet again, a link to the american assn of feline practitioners 2008 guidelines for managing feline retroviruses, in a separate post. MC -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.org) Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Subject: Maggie
MC, CoQ10 doesn't cure or prevent anything. It does seem to support heart function. Most of the folks on the Yahoo heart group use it for their heart kitties. My sweet Albert was given days/weeks to live after going into CHF and then being dx with severe HCM. With the CoQ10 and other supplements he enjoyed another 1 1/2 yrs before his heart gave out. The recommended dose for kitties is 30 - 60 mg per day. I don't have links to any feline studies but here are links to some of the info I have. http://www.md-phc.com/nutrition/useful.html http://lpi.oregonstate.edu/infocenter/othernuts/coq10/ http://www.vin.com/proceedings/Proceedings.plx?CID=WALTHAMOSU2002PID=pr02987 http://drpollen.blogspot.com/2006/07/supplements-for-pets-with-heart.html Sharyl --- On Fri, 7/9/10, MaryChristine twelvehousec...@gmail.com wrote: From: MaryChristine twelvehousec...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Subject: Maggie To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Friday, July 9, 2010, 10:21 AM what, exactly, does CoQ10 prevent? and could you give some cites to research data on it? i haven't seen anything in a long time, and would be interested in seeing what the clinical findings are. additionally, cats who test positive for the FeLV antigen only once are not necessarily actually positive. even if they are persistently viremic, they are just normal cats until and if the virus is activated. while they are asymptomatic, they are not seriously immune compromised, and presuming that everything that happens to a cat who happens to FeLV+ is related to that status is not borne out in the real world of sanctuaries and multi-positive homes. i will post, yet again, a link to the american assn of feline practitioners 2008 guidelines for managing feline retroviruses, in a separate post. MC ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Subject: Maggie
thanks, sharyl--i just find it alarming that people will do whatever someone on a list tells them to, without knowing if there's any value to it. too often, the only basis for using a product comes from the manufacturer or supplier, or their paid spokescreatures in drag. -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.org) Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Subject: Maggie
This is good info on CoQ10: Linus Pauling Institute at Oregon State University Coenzyme Q10 is a fat-soluble compound primarily synthesized by the body and also consumed in the diet. ... Coenzyme Q10 supplementation has resulted in clinical and metabolic ... http://lpi.oregonstate.edu/infocenter/othernuts/coq10/ -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Sharyl Sent: Friday, July 09, 2010 1:02 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Subject: Maggie MC, CoQ10 doesn't cure or prevent anything. It does seem to support heart function. Most of the folks on the Yahoo heart group use it for their heart kitties. My sweet Albert was given days/weeks to live after going into CHF and then being dx with severe HCM. With the CoQ10 and other supplements he enjoyed another 1 1/2 yrs before his heart gave out. The recommended dose for kitties is 30 - 60 mg per day. I don't have links to any feline studies but here are links to some of the info I have. http://www.md-phc.com/nutrition/useful.html http://lpi.oregonstate.edu/infocenter/othernuts/coq10/ http://www.vin.com/proceedings/Proceedings.plx?CID=WALTHAMOSU2002PID=pr029 87 http://drpollen.blogspot.com/2006/07/supplements-for-pets-with-heart.html Sharyl --- On Fri, 7/9/10, MaryChristine twelvehousec...@gmail.com wrote: From: MaryChristine twelvehousec...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Subject: Maggie To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Friday, July 9, 2010, 10:21 AM what, exactly, does CoQ10 prevent? and could you give some cites to research data on it? i haven't seen anything in a long time, and would be interested in seeing what the clinical findings are. additionally, cats who test positive for the FeLV antigen only once are not necessarily actually positive. even if they are persistently viremic, they are just normal cats until and if the virus is activated. while they are asymptomatic, they are not seriously immune compromised, and presuming that everything that happens to a cat who happens to FeLV+ is related to that status is not borne out in the real world of sanctuaries and multi-positive homes. i will post, yet again, a link to the american assn of feline practitioners 2008 guidelines for managing feline retroviruses, in a separate post. MC ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] Subject: Maggie
Hi Tanya: I am so sorry about your Maggie. My FELV+ kitty was diagnosed with Early HCM years ago but it never really progressed much beyond a certain thickness on one side. He also was diagnosed with a perfect valentine shaped heart - misshapen. I used to give him CoQ10 - mixed in his canned food - 10 mg per day for his HCM. I can't say if it did or did not help but it didn't seem to hurt him at all. I stopped giving it to him when he was diagnosed with FELV - no reason really other than I'm giving him so much other stuff right now! Saying purrayers for your furbaby. Stacy = Message: 4 Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2010 08:08:05 -0700 (PDT) From: TANYA NOE sashacatgodd...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Maggie Message-ID: 630180.7808...@web57902.mail.re3.yahoo.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Hello everyone, ? ???It has been a while since I have been able to get on. I found out last month that my FelV+ Maggie who turned 2 years old 16 days ago was just diagnosed with a grade 4/6 heart murmur. She has seen many vets in her short life and has not had a detectable one previously not even 7 months ago when she had her bi-annual physical and blood work. I took her in for her physical and because lately she has had some exercise intolerance that isn't normal for a 2 year old. Her heart ultrasound gave us a diagnosis of hypertrophic cardiomyopathy. Her walls were very thick and flow greatly reduced. We started he on Enalapril. I was wondering if anyone else has had the same diagnosis and if so if there was anything that worked well for your little ones. Her heart disease is progressing very quickly and I was told that with her type there isn't anything they can do to slow it down, we are only making her more comfortable with the Enalapril by making her heart not have to work as hard. Any advice is appreciated, Tanya (Maggie's Mom) stacy_zac...@yahoo.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
