Re: [Felvtalk] Tiffany
So very sorry about Tiffany….you were a good pet parent! Ardy From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Roxanne Smith Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2016 12:12 PM To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Tiffany Thanks to all those whom gave wonderful advice on Tiffany-unfortunately, she had went downhill the last several days and I chose to let her go--Tiffany could no longer fight the battle. I still have two left with feline leuk. I saw someone recommended to someone else about keeping a journal of good things which I like cuz right now all I can think of is what I should have done better. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Tiffany
vet time. If they're actually white, you're in a crisis situation, and your cat is severely anemic.That's life-threatening.Please go now.-Original Message- From: Miriam Fenton <m.gabriellefen...@gmail.com> Sent: May 19, 2016 2:49 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Tiffany HELP! I just noticed my cat has lost alot of weight and his gums are white!On Thu, May 19, 2016 at 11:40 AM, Katherine K. <kaths...@gmail.com> wrote:So sorry Roxanne and Marsha. Thank you for loving them so strongly! They were incredibly lucky to be in your care. Remember the good times you shared. On Thu, May 19, 2016 at 1:33 PM, Rachel Dagner <rdag...@novahrc.com> wrote:I am so sorry for your loss Roxanne, I think every single one of us do the “what if’s” even though we shouldn’t, we need to think about what we did do, and all of the love that we gave. Fortunately our kitties are blissfully unaware of all of our internal turmoil’s, and doubts. All they know is that we love them, and they love us. From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MarshaSent: Thursday, May 19, 2016 1:24 PMTo: Roxanne Smith; felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: [Felvtalk] Tiffany Roxanne,My heart goes out to you in your loss of Tiffany. Noelle will be joining her in a few hours. Perhaps their spirits can comfort one another.MarshaOn 5/19/2016 12:11 PM, Roxanne Smith wrote:Thanks to all those whom gave wonderful advice on Tiffany-unfortunately, she had went downhill the last several days and I chose to let her go--Tiffany could no longer fight the battle. I still have two left with feline leuk. I saw someone recommended to someone else about keeping a journal of good things which I like cuz right now all I can think of is what I should have done better. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Miriam Fenton Moreno Valley College2451793 ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Tiffany
He is FELV positive and I'm about to take him to the vet. On Thu, May 19, 2016 at 11:49 AM, Miriam Fenton <m.gabriellefen...@gmail.com > wrote: > HELP! I just noticed my cat has lost alot of weight and his gums are white! > > On Thu, May 19, 2016 at 11:40 AM, Katherine K. <kaths...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> So sorry Roxanne and Marsha. Thank you for loving them so strongly! They >> were incredibly lucky to be in your care. Remember the good times you >> shared. >> >> On Thu, May 19, 2016 at 1:33 PM, Rachel Dagner <rdag...@novahrc.com> >> wrote: >> >>> I am so sorry for your loss Roxanne, I think every single one of us do >>> the “what if’s” even though we shouldn’t, we need to think about what we >>> did do, and all of the love that we gave. Fortunately our kitties are >>> blissfully unaware of all of our internal turmoil’s, and doubts. All they >>> know is that we love them, and they love us. >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:* Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] *On >>> Behalf Of *Marsha >>> *Sent:* Thursday, May 19, 2016 1:24 PM >>> *To:* Roxanne Smith; felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >>> *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Tiffany >>> >>> >>> >>> Roxanne, >>> >>> My heart goes out to you in your loss of Tiffany. Noelle will be >>> joining her in a few hours. Perhaps their spirits can comfort one another. >>> >>> Marsha >>> >>> On 5/19/2016 12:11 PM, Roxanne Smith wrote: >>> >>> Thanks to all those whom gave wonderful advice on Tiffany-unfortunately, >>> she had went downhill the last several days and I chose to let her >>> go--Tiffany could no longer fight the battle. I still have two left with >>> feline leuk. I saw someone recommended to someone else about keeping a >>> journal of good things which I like cuz right now all I can think of is >>> what I should have done better. >>> >>> >>> >>> ___ >>> Felvtalk mailing list >>> Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >>> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org >>> >>> >> >> ___ >> Felvtalk mailing list >> Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org >> >> > > > -- > *Miriam Fenton * > *Moreno Valley College* > *2451793* > -- *Miriam Fenton * *Moreno Valley College* *2451793* ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Tiffany
Roxanne, thank you on behalf of Tiffany, for being brave and committed to her well-being and for loving her unreservedly. Amani From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Roxanne Smith Sent: May-19-16 1:12 PM To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Tiffany Thanks to all those whom gave wonderful advice on Tiffany-unfortunately, she had went downhill the last several days and I chose to let her go--Tiffany could no longer fight the battle. I still have two left with feline leuk. I saw someone recommended to someone else about keeping a journal of good things which I like cuz right now all I can think of is what I should have done better. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Tiffany
HELP! I just noticed my cat has lost alot of weight and his gums are white! On Thu, May 19, 2016 at 11:40 AM, Katherine K. <kaths...@gmail.com> wrote: > So sorry Roxanne and Marsha. Thank you for loving them so strongly! They > were incredibly lucky to be in your care. Remember the good times you > shared. > > On Thu, May 19, 2016 at 1:33 PM, Rachel Dagner <rdag...@novahrc.com> > wrote: > >> I am so sorry for your loss Roxanne, I think every single one of us do >> the “what if’s” even though we shouldn’t, we need to think about what we >> did do, and all of the love that we gave. Fortunately our kitties are >> blissfully unaware of all of our internal turmoil’s, and doubts. All they >> know is that we love them, and they love us. >> >> >> >> *From:* Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] *On Behalf >> Of *Marsha >> *Sent:* Thursday, May 19, 2016 1:24 PM >> *To:* Roxanne Smith; felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >> *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Tiffany >> >> >> >> Roxanne, >> >> My heart goes out to you in your loss of Tiffany. Noelle will be joining >> her in a few hours. Perhaps their spirits can comfort one another. >> >> Marsha >> >> On 5/19/2016 12:11 PM, Roxanne Smith wrote: >> >> Thanks to all those whom gave wonderful advice on Tiffany-unfortunately, >> she had went downhill the last several days and I chose to let her >> go--Tiffany could no longer fight the battle. I still have two left with >> feline leuk. I saw someone recommended to someone else about keeping a >> journal of good things which I like cuz right now all I can think of is >> what I should have done better. >> >> >> >> ___ >> Felvtalk mailing list >> Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org >> >> > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > -- *Miriam Fenton * *Moreno Valley College* *2451793* ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Tiffany
So sorry Roxanne and Marsha. Thank you for loving them so strongly! They were incredibly lucky to be in your care. Remember the good times you shared. On Thu, May 19, 2016 at 1:33 PM, Rachel Dagner <rdag...@novahrc.com> wrote: > I am so sorry for your loss Roxanne, I think every single one of us do the > “what if’s” even though we shouldn’t, we need to think about what we did > do, and all of the love that we gave. Fortunately our kitties are > blissfully unaware of all of our internal turmoil’s, and doubts. All they > know is that we love them, and they love us. > > > > *From:* Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] *On Behalf > Of *Marsha > *Sent:* Thursday, May 19, 2016 1:24 PM > *To:* Roxanne Smith; felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Tiffany > > > > Roxanne, > > My heart goes out to you in your loss of Tiffany. Noelle will be joining > her in a few hours. Perhaps their spirits can comfort one another. > > Marsha > > On 5/19/2016 12:11 PM, Roxanne Smith wrote: > > Thanks to all those whom gave wonderful advice on Tiffany-unfortunately, > she had went downhill the last several days and I chose to let her > go--Tiffany could no longer fight the battle. I still have two left with > feline leuk. I saw someone recommended to someone else about keeping a > journal of good things which I like cuz right now all I can think of is > what I should have done better. > > > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Tiffany
I am so sorry for your loss Roxanne, I think every single one of us do the “what if’s” even though we shouldn’t, we need to think about what we did do, and all of the love that we gave. Fortunately our kitties are blissfully unaware of all of our internal turmoil’s, and doubts. All they know is that we love them, and they love us. *From:* Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] *On Behalf Of *Marsha *Sent:* Thursday, May 19, 2016 1:24 PM *To:* Roxanne Smith; felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Tiffany Roxanne, My heart goes out to you in your loss of Tiffany. Noelle will be joining her in a few hours. Perhaps their spirits can comfort one another. Marsha On 5/19/2016 12:11 PM, Roxanne Smith wrote: Thanks to all those whom gave wonderful advice on Tiffany-unfortunately, she had went downhill the last several days and I chose to let her go--Tiffany could no longer fight the battle. I still have two left with feline leuk. I saw someone recommended to someone else about keeping a journal of good things which I like cuz right now all I can think of is what I should have done better. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Tiffany
Roxanne, My heart goes out to you in your loss of Tiffany. Noelle will be joining her in a few hours. Perhaps their spirits can comfort one another. Marsha On 5/19/2016 12:11 PM, Roxanne Smith wrote: Thanks to all those whom gave wonderful advice on Tiffany-unfortunately, she had went downhill the last several days and I chose to let her go--Tiffany could no longer fight the battle. I still have two left with feline leuk. I saw someone recommended to someone else about keeping a journal of good things which I like cuz right now all I can think of is what I should have done better. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] Tiffany
Thanks to all those whom gave wonderful advice on Tiffany-unfortunately, she had went downhill the last several days and I chose to let her go--Tiffany could no longer fight the battle. I still have two left with feline leuk. I saw someone recommended to someone else about keeping a journal of good things which I like cuz right now all I can think of is what I should have done better. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Tiffany
aLL OF MY CATS WERE EITHER FERAL OR STRAYS. tHEY SHOWED UP AND i KEPT THEM. Amani Oakley <aoak...@oakleylegal.com> wrote: > Hi Lorrie > > I totally agree with you. I too have seen people who will spend lavishly on > their own animals but wouldn't cross the street to help a homeless stray. But > Lorrie, I think those people are the minority. I think that once an animal > comes into your life and opens up your heart, it allows you to care a lot > more for the animals around you and be more empathetic about the plight of > animals other than your own. > > As I said in my earlier post, given the depths people will descend to, I > would never put it past some unscrupulous clinics to abuse donor cats for > blood transfusions, but I believe that most vets are pretty ethical people > and most animal owners are animal lovers so I would think that any abuses are > in the minority. I think it makes excellent sense to keep your concerns in > mind though Lorrie, and to ask a lot of questions to ensure that donor cats > are well cared for at any clinic where blood transfusions are offered. As I > mentioned, up here in Canada - even though I live close to Toronto which is > pretty much the "centre of the universe" in Canada - there are extremely few > clinics where blood transfusion is even offered, and most are these ER > clinics where they charge you $100 just for the privilege of sitting in their > waiting area! > > Amani > > > > -Original Message- > From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of > Lorrie > Sent: May-14-16 10:55 AM > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Tiffany > > > Post trimmed. > > Thank you for writing to me, Amani. > I just wrote about my experience with blood donations, but I did want to > comment on the paragraph below. Sadly many clients who go to vet clinics do > not really love or care about cats other than their own. > They will pay huge vet bills to keep their own cats or dogs alive and yet > they would not help a stray cat or dog. I have seen so much of this during my > long life and it really upsets me. > > Lorrie > > On 05-13, Amani Oakley wrote: > > Lorrie > > > > Perhaps you have had a bad experience wherever you went, but it seems > > odd to me that a clinic would offer cat blood transfusions (which are > > pretty high end treatments) and not treat the cats well because owners > > who would and could spend that kind of money on their cats are > > obviously very very concerned about animal welfare and would expect > > and demand a certain level of ethical treatment of the donor cats. > > > > I wouldn't hesitate to transfuse a cat, if that was needed, but it is > > very expensive and out of the range of what most people can > > realistically afford. However, this is why I was so annoyed that no > > one told me about the Winstrol, because it probably could have saved > > me close to $10,000, not to mention the trauma of a transfusion on > > both donor and recipient! > > > > Amani > > > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Tiffany
Hi Lorrie I totally agree with you. I too have seen people who will spend lavishly on their own animals but wouldn't cross the street to help a homeless stray. But Lorrie, I think those people are the minority. I think that once an animal comes into your life and opens up your heart, it allows you to care a lot more for the animals around you and be more empathetic about the plight of animals other than your own. As I said in my earlier post, given the depths people will descend to, I would never put it past some unscrupulous clinics to abuse donor cats for blood transfusions, but I believe that most vets are pretty ethical people and most animal owners are animal lovers so I would think that any abuses are in the minority. I think it makes excellent sense to keep your concerns in mind though Lorrie, and to ask a lot of questions to ensure that donor cats are well cared for at any clinic where blood transfusions are offered. As I mentioned, up here in Canada - even though I live close to Toronto which is pretty much the "centre of the universe" in Canada - there are extremely few clinics where blood transfusion is even offered, and most are these ER clinics where they charge you $100 just for the privilege of sitting in their waiting area! Amani -Original Message- From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lorrie Sent: May-14-16 10:55 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Tiffany Post trimmed. Thank you for writing to me, Amani. I just wrote about my experience with blood donations, but I did want to comment on the paragraph below. Sadly many clients who go to vet clinics do not really love or care about cats other than their own. They will pay huge vet bills to keep their own cats or dogs alive and yet they would not help a stray cat or dog. I have seen so much of this during my long life and it really upsets me. Lorrie On 05-13, Amani Oakley wrote: > Lorrie > > Perhaps you have had a bad experience wherever you went, but it seems > odd to me that a clinic would offer cat blood transfusions (which are > pretty high end treatments) and not treat the cats well because owners > who would and could spend that kind of money on their cats are > obviously very very concerned about animal welfare and would expect > and demand a certain level of ethical treatment of the donor cats. > > I wouldn't hesitate to transfuse a cat, if that was needed, but it is > very expensive and out of the range of what most people can > realistically afford. However, this is why I was so annoyed that no > one told me about the Winstrol, because it probably could have saved > me close to $10,000, not to mention the trauma of a transfusion on > both donor and recipient! > > Amani > ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Tiffany
Post trimmed. Thank you for writing to me, Amani. I just wrote about my experience with blood donations, but I did want to comment on the paragraph below. Sadly many clients who go to vet clinics do not really love or care about cats other than their own. They will pay huge vet bills to keep their own cats or dogs alive and yet they would not help a stray cat or dog. I have seen so much of this during my long life and it really upsets me. Lorrie On 05-13, Amani Oakley wrote: > Lorrie > > Perhaps you have had a bad experience wherever you went, but it > seems odd to me that a clinic would offer cat blood transfusions > (which are pretty high end treatments) and not treat the cats well > because owners who would and could spend that kind of money on > their cats are obviously very very concerned about animal welfare > and would expect and demand a certain level of ethical treatment of > the donor cats. > > I wouldn't hesitate to transfuse a cat, if that was needed, but it > is very expensive and out of the range of what most people can > realistically afford. However, this is why I was so annoyed that no > one told me about the Winstrol, because it probably could have > saved me close to $10,000, not to mention the trauma of a > transfusion on both donor and recipient! > > Amani > ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Tiffany
Hill's also has a canned named Recovery which is very good for syringe feeding - have used it for both adults and kittens. -Original Message- From: Amani Oakley Sent: Friday, May 13, 2016 12:48 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Tiffany I agree. Baby food is a life-saver option I keep in my cupboards most of the time. Buy the pureed beef or chicken, and it can be syringed into a sick cat. It is easy to digest and full of good stuff - after all, we feed it to babies! Many cats like the taste anyway so you can often get them to lick it off your finger or a plate, and it helps to get them thinking about eating again. A/D diet is also quite good in that it is very soft and also can be fed by syringe. Amani -Original Message- From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of dlg...@windstream.net Sent: May-13-16 9:46 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Tiffany Baby food is another option, just make sure it does not have onion or grlic in it. It helped with a couple of my babies when they went off their food. Rachel Dagner <rdag...@novahrc.com> wrote: Along with the AD you could try Life Gold. I know not everyone believes in holistic treatments, but many people say it got their cats eating again, and gave them more energy. It has a 90 day money back guarantee in the event it does not work for you. I have been giving this to Tucker. Also you can look into dandelion root, someone suggested it for me when Tucker wasn’t eating, and I have found some good information out there that it is helpful with anemia too. *From:* Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] *On Behalf Of *Roxanne Smith *Sent:* Friday, May 13, 2016 9:09 AM *To:* felvtalk; felvtalk *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Tiffany Thanks to all who has given advice. We went to vet last night and her blood levels have improved. However, Since December she is down 4 lbs. She purrs and is a good girl. I will keep moving forward until Tiffany wants to leave me. Due to her lack of eating they want to put in a side trach tube... I am not comfortable with this due to her state. I don't want her sedated in case she passes away from sedation. A lot of vets in Milwaukee Wisconsin where Tiffany and I live are incompetent about feline leuk.and treat us like we are cootie filled.. I get it she is sick and feline leukemia is dangerous but dont disrespect my child. I plan to use the advice given to me. -- *From: *Ardy Robertson <ar...@centurytel.net>; *To: *<felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>; *Subject: *Re: [Felvtalk] Tiffany *Sent: *Fri, May 13, 2016 3:46:39 AM Hi Roxanne, I just lost my 5-1/2 year old FeLV+ male cat - Tigger – however I do think if I had gotten him on the Winstrol (Stanozolol) sooner, along with the Prednisolone, he would have had a chance of making it longer. It turned his bone marrow back on to producing blood cells, and I believe it turned his anemia from non-regenerative to regenerative. I also wish I would have put him on the antibiotic Doxycycline rather than Convenia because it may interfere with the virus duplicating itself. If you do decide to try Winstrol and are unable to find it – I do have a source for it in Arizona – a very good company. I used the liquid and it worked well because it was salmon-flavorerd. It comes in other forms and flavors also. I hope Tiffany is doing better! Ardy *From:* Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org <felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org>] *On Behalf Of *Roxanne Smith *Sent:* Thursday, May 12, 2016 11:57 AM *To:* Felvtalk <Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> *Subject:* [Felvtalk] Tiffany In the last two weeks my poor Tiffany has had three blood transfusions. Vets and nurses all feel she has a will to live. We just need to get over this hump. She will now be on epogen. Any feedback is welcome. She was diagnosed with feline leukemia a year ago. Has anyone had a feline tgat lived awhile with feline leukemia... Thanks ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Lorrie I agree with Margo. In Canada, we don't have a proper blood bank for cats yet (at least where I live). I believe we have one for dogs. The clinic where I went to, to get a blood transfusion for Zander, had clinic donor cats who were pets of someone, and doing it on a voluntary basis. There were also others in the clinic itself, and after a pretty short and defined time frame, the clinic would adopt out these cats. They were featured in ads on the clinic walls in the waiting area. I don't think these cats die from the blood donation, and the clinic seems pretty protective and caring about them. Still, I felt guilty, of course and I made a number of inquiries to be satisfied that the donor cats were well looked after. The second ER clinic which I now visit, has a glassed in area at the front where these cats are featured, along with their names, personalities, etc., and encouragement to adopt them. Perhaps you have had a bad experience wherever you went, but it seems odd to me that a clinic would offer cat blood transfusions (which are pretty high end treatments) and not treat the cats well because owners who would and could spend that kind of money on their cats are obviously very very concerned about animal welfare and would expect and demand a certain level of ethical treatment of the donor cats. I wouldn't hesitate to transfuse a cat, if that was needed, but it is very expensive and out of the range of what most people can realistically afford. However, this is why I was so annoyed that no one told me about the Winstrol, because it probably could have saved me close to $10,000, not to mention the trauma of a transfusion on both donor and recipient! Amani -Original Message- From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Margo Sent: May-13-16 10:16 AM To: felineres...@frontier.com; felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Tiffany Here's another example of "personal choice". I vehemently disagree. I have participated in several feline blood transfusions (and even more canine). The cats are sometimes lightly sedated for the procedure (not always), and are not in an any worse situation than when on an IV, or having blood drawn. Where exactly do you get your information about "cat or cats in the vet clinic who often die when drained of too much blood." In the first place, most blood for transfusion is from blood banks. That means it's already tested for matching. The few clinics that still may use "Clinic Cats" fro transfusions are probably VERY attached to these cats, and aren't going to jeopardize their PET. I have taken cats of my own as donors (B cats are fairly rare, and Igor was very co-operative) and neither he nor the other two EVER suffered ANY adverse effects. I just had a 2 1/2 year old tripod cat go into renal failure. She had two transfusions, needed to save her life. Yes, it was expensive. But it was no more traumatic than the IV she was also getting. And she's back to terrorizing my house. Which is as it should be. Margo -Original Message- >From: Lorrie <felineres...@frontier.com> >Sent: May 13, 2016 9:25 AM >To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Tiffany > >I have had many FelV cats. Most have died of anemia or other issues, >before reaching a year old. Others have had a long life and showed no >symptoms even tho they tested positive several times. I treat my FelV >cats as long as possible, but I will not do invasive painful treatments >on a FelV cat if it is obviously suffering. >- > >Blood transfusions are something I will not do. They are hard on a cat >and very expensive. I can afford the expense, but I will not put my cat >thru this. I also feel for the cat or cats in the vet clinic who often >die when drained of too much blood. >- > >I hope the Epogen helps Tiffany, but if not, please don't let her >suffer. >- > >Lorrie and many cats > >On 05-12, Roxanne Smith wrote: >> >>In the last two weeks my poor Tiffany has had three blood transfusions. >>Vets and nurses all feel she has a will to live. We just need to get >>over this hump. She will now be on epogen. Any feedback is welcome. She >>was diagnosed with feline leukemia a year ago. Has anyone had a feline >>tgat lived awhile with feline leukemia... Thanks > >> ___ >> Felvtalk mailing list >> Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.or >> g > > >___ >Felvtalk mailing list >Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felv
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Roxanne Well before I would ever let a vet insert a feeding tube into a cat’s stomach to deal with anorexia, I would give the Winstrol a shot. It is quite inexpensive and works relatively quickly, though if Tiffany is down to 4 pounds, you will definitely have to keep her on syringed food like the baby food and/or the A/D diet, for quite a while – even if she responds to the Winstrol. Of course her red cell numbers were better after a transfusion, because you just gave her red cells, white cells and platelets in the transfusion so her numbers will be boosted. The problem is that if she has FeLV and non-regenerative anemia, those numbers will gradually fall as the these transfused cells naturally die off. The life span of a red cell is 120 but the ones in the transfused blood will obviously be various ages already so some will die tomorrow and the next day and the day after, etc. etc., and if Tiffany is not producing her own cells (as is the case with FeLV) then in two or three months, you will be back into trouble. Check her reticulocyte count to see if immature red cells are being generated from the bone marrow. Now is the time to try treatments like the Winstrol or others that people have suggested. Tiffany has now received an artificial boost, and she may start to feel better and there is a foothold for things like the Winstrol to build on. And DON’T wait for the numbers to drop. There is no question they will drop if she is not producing her own cells. Also, giving her ongoing blood transfusions is probably not an option. Aside from the terrible expense, the more transfusions, the higher the risk of eventually developing a transfusion reaction since the body is receiving a foreign substance and may well react to it. When that happens, giving another transfusion is likely to result in death. It’s like what happens when a person responds to something to which they are allergic. The first time, the reaction may be relatively mild but second exposure to the same antigen will often result in a very serious reaction which can put a person into anaphylactic shock and may kill them. So, for now, it is good that you have this option but recognize that it is giving you some breathing space to find another solution, and use the time you have to get that other treatment going. Frankly, I would suggest you can use several of the treatments if you don’t know which ones to try. With Winstrol, I did find we had a pretty quick response so I could see it working rather quickly. Like Ardy said about Tigger, the conclusion she and I reached was that Tigger’s numbers were very low when the Winstrol was started, and even though we saw both his red cells and his white cells improve, the platelets did not and I suspect that this may have resulted in some internal bleeding. I mentioned to Ardy that with my cat, Zander, we had given him a transfusion and his numbers were dropping but his haematocrit was still around 10 when I started the Winstrol. I think that may have helped to allow the Winstrol sufficient time to increase all three of the cell lines – I too found that the platelets responded last and most sluggishly. Don’t wait. You’ve bought some time with the blood transfusion so my advice for you is to put that time to good use. Amani From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Roxanne Smith Sent: May-13-16 9:09 AM To: felvtalk; felvtalk Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Tiffany Thanks to all who has given advice. We went to vet last night and her blood levels have improved. However, Since December she is down 4 lbs. She purrs and is a good girl. I will keep moving forward until Tiffany wants to leave me. Due to her lack of eating they want to put in a side trach tube... I am not comfortable with this due to her state. I don't want her sedated in case she passes away from sedation. A lot of vets in Milwaukee Wisconsin where Tiffany and I live are incompetent about feline leuk.and treat us like we are cootie filled.. I get it she is sick and feline leukemia is dangerous but dont disrespect my child. I plan to use the advice given to me. From: Ardy Robertson <ar...@centurytel.net<mailto:ar...@centurytel.net>>; To: <felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>>; Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Tiffany Sent: Fri, May 13, 2016 3:46:39 AM Hi Roxanne, I just lost my 5-1/2 year old FeLV+ male cat - Tigger – however I do think if I had gotten him on the Winstrol (Stanozolol) sooner, along with the Prednisolone, he would have had a chance of making it longer. It turned his bone marrow back on to producing blood cells, and I believe it turned his anemia from non-regenerative to regenerative. I also wish I would have put him on the antibiotic Doxycycline rather than Convenia because it may interfere with the virus duplicating itself. If you do decide to try Winstrol and are unabl
Re: [Felvtalk] Tiffany
I agree. Baby food is a life-saver option I keep in my cupboards most of the time. Buy the pureed beef or chicken, and it can be syringed into a sick cat. It is easy to digest and full of good stuff - after all, we feed it to babies! Many cats like the taste anyway so you can often get them to lick it off your finger or a plate, and it helps to get them thinking about eating again. A/D diet is also quite good in that it is very soft and also can be fed by syringe. Amani -Original Message- From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of dlg...@windstream.net Sent: May-13-16 9:46 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Tiffany Baby food is another option, just make sure it does not have onion or grlic in it. It helped with a couple of my babies when they went off their food. Rachel Dagner <rdag...@novahrc.com> wrote: > Along with the AD you could try Life Gold. I know not everyone > believes in holistic treatments, but many people say it got their cats > eating again, and gave them more energy. It has a 90 day money back > guarantee in the event it does not work for you. I have been giving > this to Tucker. Also you can look into dandelion root, someone > suggested it for me when Tucker wasn’t eating, and I have found some > good information out there that it is helpful with anemia too. > > > > *From:* Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] *On > Behalf Of *Roxanne Smith > *Sent:* Friday, May 13, 2016 9:09 AM > *To:* felvtalk; felvtalk > *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Tiffany > > > > Thanks to all who has given advice. We went to vet last night and her > blood levels have improved. However, Since December she is down 4 lbs. > She purrs and is a good girl. I will keep moving forward until Tiffany > wants to leave me. Due to her lack of eating they want to put in a > side trach tube... I am not comfortable with this due to her state. I > don't want her sedated in case she passes away from sedation. A lot of > vets in Milwaukee Wisconsin where Tiffany and I live are incompetent > about feline leuk.and treat us like we are cootie filled.. I get it > she is sick and feline leukemia is dangerous but dont disrespect my > child. I plan to use the advice given to me. > > > -- > > *From: *Ardy Robertson <ar...@centurytel.net>; > *To: *<felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>; > *Subject: *Re: [Felvtalk] Tiffany > *Sent: *Fri, May 13, 2016 3:46:39 AM > > > > Hi Roxanne, > > I just lost my 5-1/2 year old FeLV+ male cat - Tigger – however I do > think if I had gotten him on the Winstrol (Stanozolol) sooner, along > with the Prednisolone, he would have had a chance of making it longer. > It turned his bone marrow back on to producing blood cells, and I > believe it turned his anemia from non-regenerative to regenerative. I > also wish I would have put him on the antibiotic Doxycycline rather > than Convenia because it may interfere with the virus duplicating > itself. If you do decide to try Winstrol and are unable to find it – I > do have a source for it in Arizona – a very good company. I used the > liquid and it worked well because it was salmon-flavorerd. It comes in other > forms and flavors also. > > > > I hope Tiffany is doing better! > > > > Ardy > > > > > > *From:* Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org > <felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org>] *On Behalf Of *Roxanne Smith > *Sent:* Thursday, May 12, 2016 11:57 AM > *To:* Felvtalk <Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> > *Subject:* [Felvtalk] Tiffany > > > > In the last two weeks my poor Tiffany has had three blood transfusions. > Vets and nurses all feel she has a will to live. We just need to get > over this hump. She will now be on epogen. Any feedback is welcome. > She was diagnosed with feline leukemia a year ago. Has anyone had a > feline tgat lived awhile with feline leukemia... Thanks ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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i TOOK IT WHEN I HAD CANCER. EXPENSIVE. i FINALLY ASKED DR IF i COULD GIVE MYSELF SHOTS. lOTS CHEAPER THAT WAY. Rachel Dagner <rdag...@novahrc.com> wrote: > Sorry that Tiffany isn’t doing well, so sad, and scary I know. Yes, they > can live awhile and some for a long time. I looked up Epogen (because I > never heard of it). > > > > EPOGEN® is a prescription medicine used to treat a lower than normal number > of red blood cells (anemia) caused by chronic kidney disease in patients on > dialysis to reduce or avoid the need for red blood cell transfusions. > > > > As Armani says, if you can find the Winstrol that is for sure worth a shot > as we have seen positive results. > > > > > > NVH Tripsy is natural remedy if you want to add something like that. There > are a lot of people who say it has really helped with their kitties very > serious kidneys and urinary problems, so maybe, I am not an expert on > anemia, but it says it has to do with the kidneys...? My kitty takes it in > hopes of preventing struvite crystals. > > > > Whatever you decide to do, I will pray that little Tiffany hangs in there > and starts feeling better soon. Please keep us updated. > > > > Rachel > > > > > > > > *From:* Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] *On Behalf Of > *Roxanne Smith > *Sent:* Thursday, May 12, 2016 12:57 PM > *To:* Felvtalk > *Subject:* [Felvtalk] Tiffany > > > > In the last two weeks my poor Tiffany has had three blood transfusions. > Vets and nurses all feel she has a will to live. We just need to get over > this hump. She will now be on epogen. Any feedback is welcome. She was > diagnosed with feline leukemia a year ago. Has anyone had a feline tgat > lived awhile with feline leukemia... Thanks ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Here's another example of "personal choice". I vehemently disagree. I have participated in several feline blood transfusions (and even more canine). The cats are sometimes lightly sedated for the procedure (not always), and are not in an any worse situation than when on an IV, or having blood drawn. Where exactly do you get your information about "cat or cats in the vet clinic who often die when drained of too much blood." In the first place, most blood for transfusion is from blood banks. That means it's already tested for matching. The few clinics that still may use "Clinic Cats" fro transfusions are probably VERY attached to these cats, and aren't going to jeopardize their PET. I have taken cats of my own as donors (B cats are fairly rare, and Igor was very co-operative) and neither he nor the other two EVER suffered ANY adverse effects. I just had a 2 1/2 year old tripod cat go into renal failure. She had two transfusions, needed to save her life. Yes, it was expensive. But it was no more traumatic than the IV she was also getting. And she's back to terrorizing my house. Which is as it should be. Margo -Original Message- >From: Lorrie <felineres...@frontier.com> >Sent: May 13, 2016 9:25 AM >To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Tiffany > >I have had many FelV cats. Most have died of anemia or other issues, >before reaching a year old. Others have had a long life and showed no >symptoms even tho they tested positive several times. I treat my FelV >cats as long as possible, but I will not do invasive painful >treatments on a FelV cat if it is obviously suffering. >- > >Blood transfusions are something I will not do. They are hard on a >cat and very expensive. I can afford the expense, but I will not put >my cat thru this. I also feel for the cat or cats in the vet clinic >who often die when drained of too much blood. >- > >I hope the Epogen helps Tiffany, but if not, please don't let her >suffer. >- > >Lorrie and many cats > >On 05-12, Roxanne Smith wrote: >> >>In the last two weeks my poor Tiffany has had three blood transfusions. >>Vets and nurses all feel she has a will to live. We just need to get >>over this hump. She will now be on epogen. Any feedback is welcome. She >>was diagnosed with feline leukemia a year ago. Has anyone had a feline >>tgat lived awhile with feline leukemia... Thanks > >> ___ >> Felvtalk mailing list >> Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > >___ >Felvtalk mailing list >Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Baby food is another option, just make sure it does not have onion or grlic in it. It helped with a couple of my babies when they went off their food. Rachel Dagner <rdag...@novahrc.com> wrote: > Along with the AD you could try Life Gold. I know not everyone believes in > holistic treatments, but many people say it got their cats eating again, > and gave them more energy. It has a 90 day money back guarantee in the > event it does not work for you. I have been giving this to Tucker. Also you > can look into dandelion root, someone suggested it for me when Tucker > wasn’t eating, and I have found some good information out there that it is > helpful with anemia too. > > > > *From:* Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] *On Behalf Of > *Roxanne Smith > *Sent:* Friday, May 13, 2016 9:09 AM > *To:* felvtalk; felvtalk > *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Tiffany > > > > Thanks to all who has given advice. We went to vet last night and her blood > levels have improved. However, Since December she is down 4 lbs. She purrs > and is a good girl. I will keep moving forward until Tiffany wants to leave > me. Due to her lack of eating they want to put in a side trach tube... I am > not comfortable with this due to her state. I don't want her sedated in > case she passes away from sedation. A lot of vets in Milwaukee Wisconsin > where Tiffany and I live are incompetent about feline leuk.and treat us > like we are cootie filled.. I get it she is sick and feline leukemia is > dangerous but dont disrespect my child. I plan to use the advice given to > me. > > > -- > > *From: *Ardy Robertson <ar...@centurytel.net>; > *To: *<felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>; > *Subject: *Re: [Felvtalk] Tiffany > *Sent: *Fri, May 13, 2016 3:46:39 AM > > > > Hi Roxanne, > > I just lost my 5-1/2 year old FeLV+ male cat - Tigger – however I do think > if I had gotten him on the Winstrol (Stanozolol) sooner, along with the > Prednisolone, he would have had a chance of making it longer. It turned his > bone marrow back on to producing blood cells, and I believe it turned his > anemia from non-regenerative to regenerative. I also wish I would have put > him on the antibiotic Doxycycline rather than Convenia because it may > interfere with the virus duplicating itself. If you do decide to try > Winstrol and are unable to find it – I do have a source for it in Arizona – > a very good company. I used the liquid and it worked well because it was > salmon-flavorerd. It comes in other forms and flavors also. > > > > I hope Tiffany is doing better! > > > > Ardy > > > > > > *From:* Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org > <felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org>] *On Behalf Of *Roxanne Smith > *Sent:* Thursday, May 12, 2016 11:57 AM > *To:* Felvtalk <Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> > *Subject:* [Felvtalk] Tiffany > > > > In the last two weeks my poor Tiffany has had three blood transfusions. > Vets and nurses all feel she has a will to live. We just need to get over > this hump. She will now be on epogen. Any feedback is welcome. She was > diagnosed with feline leukemia a year ago. Has anyone had a feline tgat > lived awhile with feline leukemia... Thanks ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Tiffany
Along with the AD you could try Life Gold. I know not everyone believes in holistic treatments, but many people say it got their cats eating again, and gave them more energy. It has a 90 day money back guarantee in the event it does not work for you. I have been giving this to Tucker. Also you can look into dandelion root, someone suggested it for me when Tucker wasn’t eating, and I have found some good information out there that it is helpful with anemia too. *From:* Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] *On Behalf Of *Roxanne Smith *Sent:* Friday, May 13, 2016 9:09 AM *To:* felvtalk; felvtalk *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Tiffany Thanks to all who has given advice. We went to vet last night and her blood levels have improved. However, Since December she is down 4 lbs. She purrs and is a good girl. I will keep moving forward until Tiffany wants to leave me. Due to her lack of eating they want to put in a side trach tube... I am not comfortable with this due to her state. I don't want her sedated in case she passes away from sedation. A lot of vets in Milwaukee Wisconsin where Tiffany and I live are incompetent about feline leuk.and treat us like we are cootie filled.. I get it she is sick and feline leukemia is dangerous but dont disrespect my child. I plan to use the advice given to me. -- *From: *Ardy Robertson <ar...@centurytel.net>; *To: *<felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>; *Subject: *Re: [Felvtalk] Tiffany *Sent: *Fri, May 13, 2016 3:46:39 AM Hi Roxanne, I just lost my 5-1/2 year old FeLV+ male cat - Tigger – however I do think if I had gotten him on the Winstrol (Stanozolol) sooner, along with the Prednisolone, he would have had a chance of making it longer. It turned his bone marrow back on to producing blood cells, and I believe it turned his anemia from non-regenerative to regenerative. I also wish I would have put him on the antibiotic Doxycycline rather than Convenia because it may interfere with the virus duplicating itself. If you do decide to try Winstrol and are unable to find it – I do have a source for it in Arizona – a very good company. I used the liquid and it worked well because it was salmon-flavorerd. It comes in other forms and flavors also. I hope Tiffany is doing better! Ardy *From:* Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org <felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org>] *On Behalf Of *Roxanne Smith *Sent:* Thursday, May 12, 2016 11:57 AM *To:* Felvtalk <Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> *Subject:* [Felvtalk] Tiffany In the last two weeks my poor Tiffany has had three blood transfusions. Vets and nurses all feel she has a will to live. We just need to get over this hump. She will now be on epogen. Any feedback is welcome. She was diagnosed with feline leukemia a year ago. Has anyone had a feline tgat lived awhile with feline leukemia... Thanks ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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How horrible they make you feel that way! Some people are just ignorant, and not much we can do about that. Vets are here to help us care for our sick animals not make us feel worse. Shameful. Have they suggested AD prescription diet from Hills? It is high calorie and easy to syringe because of the consistency. There are some good videos on You Tube showing you exactly how to do it. I had to syringe feed Tucker AD for awhile until he started eating again. You could try this first instead of the tube. Sometimes after syringing awhile cats will even eat the AD on their own. Or hopefully feel better as they improve and get their appetite back. *From:* Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] *On Behalf Of *Roxanne Smith *Sent:* Friday, May 13, 2016 9:09 AM *To:* felvtalk; felvtalk *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Tiffany Thanks to all who has given advice. We went to vet last night and her blood levels have improved. However, Since December she is down 4 lbs. She purrs and is a good girl. I will keep moving forward until Tiffany wants to leave me. Due to her lack of eating they want to put in a side trach tube... I am not comfortable with this due to her state. I don't want her sedated in case she passes away from sedation. A lot of vets in Milwaukee Wisconsin where Tiffany and I live are incompetent about feline leuk.and treat us like we are cootie filled.. I get it she is sick and feline leukemia is dangerous but dont disrespect my child. I plan to use the advice given to me. -- *From: *Ardy Robertson <ar...@centurytel.net>; *To: *<felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>; *Subject: *Re: [Felvtalk] Tiffany *Sent: *Fri, May 13, 2016 3:46:39 AM Hi Roxanne, I just lost my 5-1/2 year old FeLV+ male cat - Tigger – however I do think if I had gotten him on the Winstrol (Stanozolol) sooner, along with the Prednisolone, he would have had a chance of making it longer. It turned his bone marrow back on to producing blood cells, and I believe it turned his anemia from non-regenerative to regenerative. I also wish I would have put him on the antibiotic Doxycycline rather than Convenia because it may interfere with the virus duplicating itself. If you do decide to try Winstrol and are unable to find it – I do have a source for it in Arizona – a very good company. I used the liquid and it worked well because it was salmon-flavorerd. It comes in other forms and flavors also. I hope Tiffany is doing better! Ardy *From:* Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org <felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org>] *On Behalf Of *Roxanne Smith *Sent:* Thursday, May 12, 2016 11:57 AM *To:* Felvtalk <Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> *Subject:* [Felvtalk] Tiffany In the last two weeks my poor Tiffany has had three blood transfusions. Vets and nurses all feel she has a will to live. We just need to get over this hump. She will now be on epogen. Any feedback is welcome. She was diagnosed with feline leukemia a year ago. Has anyone had a feline tgat lived awhile with feline leukemia... Thanks ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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I have had many FelV cats. Most have died of anemia or other issues, before reaching a year old. Others have had a long life and showed no symptoms even tho they tested positive several times. I treat my FelV cats as long as possible, but I will not do invasive painful treatments on a FelV cat if it is obviously suffering. - Blood transfusions are something I will not do. They are hard on a cat and very expensive. I can afford the expense, but I will not put my cat thru this. I also feel for the cat or cats in the vet clinic who often die when drained of too much blood. - I hope the Epogen helps Tiffany, but if not, please don't let her suffer. - Lorrie and many cats On 05-12, Roxanne Smith wrote: > >In the last two weeks my poor Tiffany has had three blood transfusions. >Vets and nurses all feel she has a will to live. We just need to get >over this hump. She will now be on epogen. Any feedback is welcome. She >was diagnosed with feline leukemia a year ago. Has anyone had a feline >tgat lived awhile with feline leukemia... Thanks > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Thanks to all who has given advice. We went to vet last night and her blood levels have improved. However, Since December she is down 4 lbs. She purrs and is a good girl. I will keep moving forward until Tiffany wants to leave me. Due to her lack of eating they want to put in a side trach tube... I am not comfortable with this due to her state. I dont want her sedated in case she passes away from sedation. A lot of vets in Milwaukee Wisconsin where Tiffany and I live are incompetent about feline leuk.and treat us like we are cootie filled.. I get it she is sick and feline leukemia is dangerous but dont disrespect my child. I plan to use the advice given to me. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Hi Roxanne, I just lost my 5-1/2 year old FeLV+ male cat - Tigger - however I do think if I had gotten him on the Winstrol (Stanozolol) sooner, along with the Prednisolone, he would have had a chance of making it longer. It turned his bone marrow back on to producing blood cells, and I believe it turned his anemia from non-regenerative to regenerative. I also wish I would have put him on the antibiotic Doxycycline rather than Convenia because it may interfere with the virus duplicating itself. If you do decide to try Winstrol and are unable to find it - I do have a source for it in Arizona - a very good company. I used the liquid and it worked well because it was salmon-flavorerd. It comes in other forms and flavors also. I hope Tiffany is doing better! Ardy From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Roxanne Smith Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2016 11:57 AM To: Felvtalk <Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> Subject: [Felvtalk] Tiffany In the last two weeks my poor Tiffany has had three blood transfusions. Vets and nurses all feel she has a will to live. We just need to get over this hump. She will now be on epogen. Any feedback is welcome. She was diagnosed with feline leukemia a year ago. Has anyone had a feline tgat lived awhile with feline leukemia... Thanks ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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I would suggest considering Aranesp (Darbepoetin) over Epogen, but what is causing the anemia? Is she in kidney failure, or is it something else? What are her numbers, especially BUN, Creatnine, Phosphorus, WBC and especially her PCV?I have two cat that were diagnosed as FeLV+ more than 3 years ago, one is 15, the other 4.5-Original Message- From: Roxanne Smith <rescuek9li...@sbcglobal.net> Sent: May 12, 2016 12:56 PM To: Felvtalk <felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> Subject: [Felvtalk] Tiffany In the last two weeks my poor Tiffany has had three blood transfusions. Vets and nurses all feel she has a will to live. We just need to get over this hump. She will now be on epogen. Any feedback is welcome. She was diagnosed with feline leukemia a year ago. Has anyone had a feline tgat lived awhile with feline leukemia... Thanks ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Bailey was diagnosed at 5 months of age and lived to be 11 years old, his last 6 months were hard but the rest of the time he lived a relatively normal healthy life. I hope Tiffany pulls through this. Bailey was on epogen for the last 6 months and he did very well on it, he had undiagnosed cancer and it eventually took him though. We tested thinking he may have cancer but none of the tests were conclusive unfortunately and my vet couldn't treat for a cancer she couldn't diagnose ... it ended up being pancreatic cancer, which I suspected, when he had a feeding tube he seemed to be very touchy sometimes when being fed, his tummy probably hurt because he was having an undiagnosed pancreatitis flair up, sometimes he would run from me when I was getting ready to feed him, it just didn't connect with me at the time. On 5/12/2016 9:56 AM, Roxanne Smith wrote: In the last two weeks my poor Tiffany has had three blood transfusions. Vets and nurses all feel she has a will to live. We just need to get over this hump. She will now be on epogen. Any feedback is welcome. She was diagnosed with feline leukemia a year ago. Has anyone had a feline tgat lived awhile with feline leukemia... Thanks ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... and Emma http://MakeMyContest.com http://MyFundit.com/site http://FreeAnimalRescueWebsite.org http://HostDesign4U.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Sorry that Tiffany isn’t doing well, so sad, and scary I know. Yes, they can live awhile and some for a long time. I looked up Epogen (because I never heard of it). EPOGEN® is a prescription medicine used to treat a lower than normal number of red blood cells (anemia) caused by chronic kidney disease in patients on dialysis to reduce or avoid the need for red blood cell transfusions. As Armani says, if you can find the Winstrol that is for sure worth a shot as we have seen positive results. NVH Tripsy is natural remedy if you want to add something like that. There are a lot of people who say it has really helped with their kitties very serious kidneys and urinary problems, so maybe, I am not an expert on anemia, but it says it has to do with the kidneys...? My kitty takes it in hopes of preventing struvite crystals. Whatever you decide to do, I will pray that little Tiffany hangs in there and starts feeling better soon. Please keep us updated. Rachel *From:* Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] *On Behalf Of *Roxanne Smith *Sent:* Thursday, May 12, 2016 12:57 PM *To:* Felvtalk *Subject:* [Felvtalk] Tiffany In the last two weeks my poor Tiffany has had three blood transfusions. Vets and nurses all feel she has a will to live. We just need to get over this hump. She will now be on epogen. Any feedback is welcome. She was diagnosed with feline leukemia a year ago. Has anyone had a feline tgat lived awhile with feline leukemia... Thanks ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Roxanne You may be new to this chatline, and so I will bore the rest of the participants by repeating that my advice is that you immediately put Tiffany on Winstrol (Stanazolol). It is an anabolic steroid. It helps to turn back on the bone marrow to produce red cells, and eventually, white cells and platelets. The dose is 2 mg a day to start until you get a good response (haematocrit back over 20 - sounds like Tiffany must be down below 10 as my Zander was when he got blood transfusions). Once over 2 mg a day, you can if you want, drop it down to 1 mg a day until back within reference ranges for red cells, haematocrit, white cells, platelets, etc. In addition to the Winstrol, I recommend prednisone, Doxycycline and Metoclompromide. My Zander lived another 6 years after his "crash" caused by Feline Leukemia. He also received blood transfusions and was on an oxygen tent. I don't want to bore everyone else by repeating this advice in any more detail, but I am happy to go into further details if you want. Be forewarned that the Winstrol is hard to get, your vets will not have heard of it or if they have, they will argue with you about providing it, they need to obtain it from a compounding pharmacy, and expect that they will tell you that it will cause liver damage. The liver enzymes may well rise but they generally drop right back down again after the Winstrol is discontinued, and for all the cats I have used it on, I have never seen signs of liver damage. Amani From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Roxanne Smith Sent: May-12-16 12:57 PM To: Felvtalk Subject: [Felvtalk] Tiffany In the last two weeks my poor Tiffany has had three blood transfusions. Vets and nurses all feel she has a will to live. We just need to get over this hump. She will now be on epogen. Any feedback is welcome. She was diagnosed with feline leukemia a year ago. Has anyone had a feline tgat lived awhile with feline leukemia... Thanks ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] Tiffany
In the last two weeks my poor Tiffany has had three blood transfusions. Vets and nurses all feel she has a will to live. We just need to get over this hump. She will now be on epogen. Any feedback is welcome. She was diagnosed with feline leukemia a year ago. Has anyone had a feline tgat lived awhile with feline leukemia... Thanks___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
