Re: Off topic - rescuing feral
Dear Hideyo: You really have yourself a can of worms there, don't you? I have a friend here in San Jose who is faced with a similar problem of feral cats proliferating around the company she works for...fortunately a pack of marauding dogs is not also part of the problem. Because of your fear of losing your job, which is very real, you have to be very careful. If you know of anyone in your area with an animal welfare group who could speak to the management on behalf of the cats so you don't have to be directly involved, it might help. They need to be enlightened about feral cats and how to deal with them humanely. I will redouble my efforts to get a copy of the info from the SF Humane Society...they may even have a web site. They have info to support the fact that just trapping and removing the existing cats is not going to solve the problem in the long run...as soon as those cats are removed, others will move into the territory and the best solution is for an aggressive TNR program to spay/neuter the cats so they won't continue to reproduce and the population will then stabilize and gradually reduce though attrition. Cats will control any rodent populations in the area as well. Perhaps if they will listen and learn and understand there is a reasonable solution, they will be less antagonistic. One can only hope. But, if the company won't listen to such an approach, then perhaps this person can at least get permission to com in to trap and remove the cats, humanely. Is there some other, safer, area these cats could be released after they are S/N?? The dogs are far more of a problem than the cats. And this needs to be pointed out to the company's management, as well. Marauding dogs are much more of a danger to humans (to say nothing of the poor cats) and unless there is a dog rescue group willing to get involved, you will probably have to contact Animal Control. It will be hard for you to realistically trap the cats with dogs running around loose to complicate things. I do hope you can enlist the support and assistance of others in your area to address the situation. See if you can find the e-addresses for other rescue groups (sometimes Animal Control will have a referral list) in your area and contact them and perhaps you will find others there with sympathetic hearts and a sense of responsibility who will help, so you don't have to jeopardize your livlihood to help these unfortunate cats. By any chance are there any celebrities or people in the news media in your area who are animal lovers and might lend their clout to your cause?? In S. Calif. there is an animal welfare group called Actors and Others for Animals...I don't know if they might be able to help you in any way or not. I had their phone no. at one time...will see if I can find it. You might be able to get it (or numbers of other rescue groups in New Mexico) by doing a coputer search. Bless you for caring so much, Hideyo. I wish I were close enough to be of some real help. Feral cats may never have the benefit of a loving home and human copanionship and protection, but their lives deserve consideration and they should not be treated like unwanted trash. They didn't get to be where they are on their own...ultimately it was irresponsible humans who created their plight. I do hope you will be able to find others who are able to help you resolve this unfortunate situation without losing your job. Sally in San Jose
RE: Off topic - rescuing feral
Thank you, Sally. Well, it's probably sort of my fault - if I did everything carefully, this wouldn't be an issue - They did not want me to feed cats anymore because they were peeing on the furniture that we NO LONGER NEEDED and therefore BEING Abandoned in the trailers in the parking lot. When I asked the management if I could trap them and remove them, they did not want me to go near them for potential of me or anyone getting any disease (???) from dead cats, as some of the feral were trapped in trailers for a long time, and they died there, which still upset me to think about (Ginger's mom was trapped there recently for three days - and I did not know about it but she got out ok)- My friend Kathy, offered to talk to the management before, I just did not want to create any additional attentions around cats here because it could go either way, if you know what I mean. If I can quietly trap the mama, it will be good, though there are two more out there possible. I had had trapped a total of 8 cats from here and never released them back. Wish me luck with my situation, Sally. I just hope that all the kitties left here are ok. Hideyo -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2005 1:43 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Off topic - rescuing feral Dear Hideyo: You really have yourself a can of worms there, don't you? I have a friend here in San Jose who is faced with a similar problem of feral cats proliferating around the company she works for...fortunately a pack of marauding dogs is not also part of the problem. Because of your fear of losing your job, which is very real, you have to be very careful. If you know of anyone in your area with an animal welfare group who could speak to the management on behalf of the cats so you don't have to be directly involved, it might help. They need to be enlightened about feral cats and how to deal with them humanely. I will redouble my efforts to get a copy of the info from the SF Humane Society...they may even have a web site. They have info to support the fact that just trapping and removing the existing cats is not going to solve the problem in the long run...as soon as those cats are removed, others will move into the territory and the best solution is for an aggressive TNR program to spay/neuter the cats so they won't continue to reproduce and the population will then stabilize and gradually reduce though attrition. Cats will control any rodent populations in the area as well. Perhaps if they will listen and learn and understand there is a reasonable solution, they will be less antagonistic. One can only hope. But, if the company won't listen to such an approach, then perhaps this person can at least get permission to com in to trap and remove the cats, humanely. Is there some other, safer, area these cats could be released after they are S/N?? The dogs are far more of a problem than the cats. And this needs to be pointed out to the company's management, as well. Marauding dogs are much more of a danger to humans (to say nothing of the poor cats) and unless there is a dog rescue group willing to get involved, you will probably have to contact Animal Control. It will be hard for you to realistically trap the cats with dogs running around loose to complicate things. I do hope you can enlist the support and assistance of others in your area to address the situation. See if you can find the e-addresses for other rescue groups (sometimes Animal Control will have a referral list) in your area and contact them and perhaps you will find others there with sympathetic hearts and a sense of responsibility who will help, so you don't have to jeopardize your livlihood to help these unfortunate cats. By any chance are there any celebrities or people in the news media in your area who are animal lovers and might lend their clout to your cause?? In S. Calif. there is an animal welfare group called Actors and Others for Animals...I don't know if they might be able to help you in any way or not. I had their phone no. at one time...will see if I can find it. You might be able to get it (or numbers of other rescue groups in New Mexico) by doing a coputer search. Bless you for caring so much, Hideyo. I wish I were close enough to be of some real help. Feral cats may never have the benefit of a loving home and human copanionship and protection, but their lives deserve consideration and they should not be treated like unwanted trash. They didn't get to be where they are on their own...ultimately it was irresponsible humans who created their plight. I do hope you will be able to find others who are able to help you resolve this unfortunate situation without losing your job. Sally in San Jose
RE: Off topic - rescuing feral
I know I am in the process of trying to trap Gingers mom I have been feeding her and other ferals who are left there behind my companys back (I am not allowed to feed them any more, but I am anyway, if they find out, I could be fired). Recently, I have seen many vicious dogs roaming around (pit bull, rotwiler, and chows,,) in the parking lot where I feed Gingers mom and other kitties. I am so worried about them as these dogs pack and hunt and they are very dangerous I dont even know if Gingers mom and others are safe they can hardly come eat the food anymore besides I think someone at work must have found the food plates that I put out as there were gone today. I am freaking out because I could be fired - I dont know what to do! I just want to get them out of there I should have done so long time ago! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of tamara stickler Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2005 2:48 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: Tip is Gone-Kathy Oh absolutely...uhm...either that or he has already reincarnated into an orange tabby with a big head that as recently shown up at my parent's house. Same body shape...just different color! While this one doesn't hiss, he won't allow himself to be touched or caught yet either, yet he lays in Hisspuff's spot. My mom's freakin' out...she's afraid she'll become a crazy cat lady! She can't help but feed them...but she doesn't even really like cats and certainly doesn't want to have to think about it outside in the cold and wet...esp. when it refuses to come in, but lays infront of the laundry room window shivering. Everytime we rent a trap to catch himhe's a no show. So she is just going to keep feeding him in the hopes that he'll come around like the other two, Tom Jerry, that she refuses to admit are hers, but they have trained Mom Dad to let them in the house at willthey even have their own beds downstairsFor that matter, Mom's dog used to HATE cats...Jerry took two and a half years, but won her over too! What idiot human ever coined the phrase dumb animals? Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Every feral cat story I hear, I just cant stop crying there is a book called Livings in shadows - its a book about how to take care of feral cats the title itself makes me cry because it represents so much of how their life is I had a feral who used to hisses and growls as she ate I just love my ferals I am sure that your big puffy head boy is in heaven - -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of tamara stickler Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2005 7:10 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: Tip is Gone-Kathy We had a feral for about 3 years that we fed...a burmese mix, all black, big puffy head with a small body and stubby legs. Everytime he saw us he'd hissso of course we named him Hisspuff. After about a year we could pet him while he ate, but he'd still hiss when he first saw us. We tried to get him to come into the house...but he never would, just prefered the straw we put out for him in the bushes out front. He got sick, nose stuffed up and eyes running - but wouldn't ever let us catch him. He showed up at the back of the house one day...just to say goodbye...again we tried to catch him, but he wouldn't have it and went off to die...but he'll ALWAYS be one of my favorites! Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I know what you mean, some of my feral hisses and spits at me whenever I am near them but I still love them as much if you know what I mean There is this poem some one of the FIP list sent to the other list member a long time ago when they lost their love one and I found it very soothing and am trying to find it so that I can share with this list member - -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, February 27, 2005 10:21 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Tip is Gone - Kathy Thanks Kathy, Seeing them all again will be wonderful. Like you I have had pets of all kinds and I loved them all (even some that were not so lovable.)It makes it easier knowing that they will be there for me when it is my turn to go. Love, Sheila Do you Yahoo!? Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
RE: Off topic - rescuing feral
Is there a group that can help you there? Not sure where you're located. But someone needs to trap them and get them out of there... Sounds like a dog problem too! Gloria I know - I am in the process of trying to trap Ginger's mom - I have been feeding her and other ferals who are left there behind my company's back (I am not allowed to feed them any more, but I am anyway, if they find out, I could be fired). Recently, I have seen many vicious dogs roaming around (pit bull, rotwiler, and chows,,) in the parking lot where I feed Ginger's mom and other kitties. I am so worried about them as these dogs pack and hunt and they are very dangerous - I don't even know if Ginger's mom and others are safe - they can hardly come eat the food anymore - besides I think someone at work must have found the food plates that I put out as there were gone today. I am freaking out because I could be fired - I don't know what to do! I just want to get them out of there - I should have done so long time ago! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of tamara stickler Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2005 2:48 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: Tip is Gone-Kathy Oh absolutely...uhm...either that or he has already reincarnated into an orange tabby with a big head that as recently shown up at my parent's house. Same body shape...just different color! While this one doesn't hiss, he won't allow himself to be touched or caught yet either, yet he lays in Hisspuff's spot. My mom's freakin' out...she's afraid she'll become a crazy cat lady! She can't help but feed them...but she doesn't even really like cats and certainly doesn't want to have to think about it outside in the cold and wet...esp. when it refuses to come in, but lays infront of the laundry room window shivering. Everytime we rent a trap to catch himhe's a no show. So she is just going to keep feeding him in the hopes that he'll come around like the other two, Tom Jerry, that she refuses to admit are hers, but they have trained Mom Dad to let them in the house at willthey even have their own beds downstairsFor that matter, Mom's dog used to HATE cats...Jerry took two and a half years, but won her over too! What idiot human ever coined the phrase dumb animals? Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Every feral cat story I hear, I just can't stop crying - there is a book called Livings in shadows - it's a book about how to take care of feral cats - the title itself makes me cry because it represents so much of how their life is - I had a feral who used to hisses and growls as she ate - I just love my ferals - I am sure that your big puffy head boy is in heaven - -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of tamara stickler Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2005 7:10 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: Tip is Gone-Kathy We had a feral for about 3 years that we fed...a burmese mix, all black, big puffy head with a small body and stubby legs. Everytime he saw us he'd hissso of course we named him Hisspuff. After about a year we could pet him while he ate, but he'd still hiss when he first saw us. We tried to get him to come into the house...but he never would, just prefered the straw we put out for him in the bushes out front. He got sick, nose stuffed up and eyes running - but wouldn't ever let us catch him. He showed up at the back of the house one day...just to say goodbye...again we tried to catch him, but he wouldn't have it and went off to die...but he'll ALWAYS be one of my favorites! Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I know what you mean, some of my feral hisses and spits at me whenever I am near them - but I still love them as much if you know what I mean - There is this poem some one of the FIP list sent to the other list member a long time ago when they lost their love one - and I found it very soothing and am trying to find it so that I can share with this list member - -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, February 27, 2005 10:21 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Tip is Gone - Kathy Thanks Kathy, Seeing them all again will be wonderful. Like you I have had pets of all kinds and I loved them all (even some that were not so lovable.)It makes it easier knowing that they will be there for me when it is my turn to go. Love, Sheila Do you Yahoo!? Read only the mail you want - http://us.rd.yahoo.com/mail_us/taglines/spamguard/*http:/promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail/static/protection.htmlYahoo! Mail SpamGuard. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
RE: Off topic - rescuing feral
I know the problem is that I hardly see them, and I can't be there all the time as the gate closes at night - and I can't just set a trap and leave it over night because dogs will be there, too. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gloria B. Lane Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2005 4:00 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: Off topic - rescuing feral Is there a group that can help you there? Not sure where you're located. But someone needs to trap them and get them out of there... Sounds like a dog problem too! Gloria I know - I am in the process of trying to trap Ginger's mom - I have been feeding her and other ferals who are left there behind my company's back (I am not allowed to feed them any more, but I am anyway, if they find out, I could be fired). Recently, I have seen many vicious dogs roaming around (pit bull, rotwiler, and chows,,) in the parking lot where I feed Ginger's mom and other kitties. I am so worried about them as these dogs pack and hunt and they are very dangerous - I don't even know if Ginger's mom and others are safe - they can hardly come eat the food anymore - besides I think someone at work must have found the food plates that I put out as there were gone today. I am freaking out because I could be fired - I don't know what to do! I just want to get them out of there - I should have done so long time ago! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of tamara stickler Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2005 2:48 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: Tip is Gone-Kathy Oh absolutely...uhm...either that or he has already reincarnated into an orange tabby with a big head that as recently shown up at my parent's house. Same body shape...just different color! While this one doesn't hiss, he won't allow himself to be touched or caught yet either, yet he lays in Hisspuff's spot. My mom's freakin' out...she's afraid she'll become a crazy cat lady! She can't help but feed them...but she doesn't even really like cats and certainly doesn't want to have to think about it outside in the cold and wet...esp. when it refuses to come in, but lays infront of the laundry room window shivering. Everytime we rent a trap to catch himhe's a no show. So she is just going to keep feeding him in the hopes that he'll come around like the other two, Tom Jerry, that she refuses to admit are hers, but they have trained Mom Dad to let them in the house at willthey even have their own beds downstairsFor that matter, Mom's dog used to HATE cats...Jerry took two and a half years, but won her over too! What idiot human ever coined the phrase dumb animals? Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Every feral cat story I hear, I just can't stop crying - there is a book called Livings in shadows - it's a book about how to take care of feral cats - the title itself makes me cry because it represents so much of how their life is - I had a feral who used to hisses and growls as she ate - I just love my ferals - I am sure that your big puffy head boy is in heaven - -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of tamara stickler Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2005 7:10 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: Tip is Gone-Kathy We had a feral for about 3 years that we fed...a burmese mix, all black, big puffy head with a small body and stubby legs. Everytime he saw us he'd hissso of course we named him Hisspuff. After about a year we could pet him while he ate, but he'd still hiss when he first saw us. We tried to get him to come into the house...but he never would, just prefered the straw we put out for him in the bushes out front. He got sick, nose stuffed up and eyes running - but wouldn't ever let us catch him. He showed up at the back of the house one day...just to say goodbye...again we tried to catch him, but he wouldn't have it and went off to die...but he'll ALWAYS be one of my favorites! Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I know what you mean, some of my feral hisses and spits at me whenever I am near them - but I still love them as much if you know what I mean - There is this poem some one of the FIP list sent to the other list member a long time ago when they lost their love one - and I found it very soothing and am trying to find it so that I can share with this list member - -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, February 27, 2005 10:21 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Tip is Gone - Kathy Thanks Kathy, Seeing them all again will be wonderful. Like you I have had pets of all kinds and I loved them all (even some that were not so lovable.)It makes it easier knowing that they will be there for me when it is my turn to go. Love, Sheila Do you Yahoo!? Read only
RE: Off topic - rescuing feral
I am in NM - I do have a friend who is a board member of NM animal friends - street cat companion group - and she is going to help me with the situation, but I just don't know how much we can do, sneaking around the company if you know what I mean. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gloria B. Lane Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2005 4:09 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: Off topic - rescuing feral You need an animal organization involvedsounds like. Who's in your area? Gloria I know the problem is that I hardly see them, and I can't be there all the time as the gate closes at night - and I can't just set a trap and leave it over night because dogs will be there, too. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gloria B. Lane Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2005 4:00 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: Off topic - rescuing feral Is there a group that can help you there? Not sure where you're located. But someone needs to trap them and get them out of there... Sounds like a dog problem too! Gloria I know - I am in the process of trying to trap Ginger's mom - I have been feeding her and other ferals who are left there behind my company's back (I am not allowed to feed them any more, but I am anyway, if they find out, I could be fired). Recently, I have seen many vicious dogs roaming around (pit bull, rotwiler, and chows,,) in the parking lot where I feed Ginger's mom and other kitties. I am so worried about them as these dogs pack and hunt and they are very dangerous - I don't even know if Ginger's mom and others are safe - they can hardly come eat the food anymore - besides I think someone at work must have found the food plates that I put out as there were gone today. I am freaking out because I could be fired - I don't know what to do! I just want to get them out of there - I should have done so long time ago! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of tamara stickler Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2005 2:48 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: Tip is Gone-Kathy Oh absolutely...uhm...either that or he has already reincarnated into an orange tabby with a big head that as recently shown up at my parent's house. Same body shape...just different color! While this one doesn't hiss, he won't allow himself to be touched or caught yet either, yet he lays in Hisspuff's spot. My mom's freakin' out...she's afraid she'll become a crazy cat lady! She can't help but feed them...but she doesn't even really like cats and certainly doesn't want to have to think about it outside in the cold and wet...esp. when it refuses to come in, but lays infront of the laundry room window shivering. Everytime we rent a trap to catch himhe's a no show. So she is just going to keep feeding him in the hopes that he'll come around like the other two, Tom Jerry, that she refuses to admit are hers, but they have trained Mom Dad to let them in the house at willthey even have their own beds downstairsFor that matter, Mom's dog used to HATE cats...Jerry took two and a half years, but won her over too! What idiot human ever coined the phrase dumb animals? Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Every feral cat story I hear, I just can't stop crying - there is a book called Livings in shadows - it's a book about how to take care of feral cats - the title itself makes me cry because it represents so much of how their life is - I had a feral who used to hisses and growls as she ate - I just love my ferals - I am sure that your big puffy head boy is in heaven - -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of tamara stickler Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2005 7:10 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: Tip is Gone-Kathy We had a feral for about 3 years that we fed...a burmese mix, all black, big puffy head with a small body and stubby legs. Everytime he saw us he'd hissso of course we named him Hisspuff. After about a year we could pet him while he ate, but he'd still hiss when he first saw us. We tried to get him to come into the house...but he never would, just prefered the straw we put out for him in the bushes out front. He got sick, nose stuffed up and eyes running - but wouldn't ever let us catch him. He showed up at the back of the house one day...just to say goodbye...again we tried to catch him, but he wouldn't have it and went off to die...but he'll ALWAYS be one of my favorites! Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I know what you mean, some of my feral hisses and spits at me whenever I am near them - but I still love them as much if you know what I mean - There is this poem some one of the FIP list sent to the other list member a long time ago when they lost their love one - and I found it very soothing and am trying to find it so that I can share with this list
RE: Off topic - rescuing feral
Is there anywhere 'up high' you can put the food for the cats where the dogs can't get to it?"Gloria B. Lane" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You need an animal organization involvedsounds like. Who's in your area?GloriaI know the problem is that I hardly see them, and I can't be there allthe time as the gate closes at night - and I can't just set a trap andleave it over night because dogs will be there, too.-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED][mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gloria B. LaneSent: Tuesday, March 01, 2005 4:00 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: RE: Off topic - rescuing feralIs there a group that can help you there? Not sure where you'relocated. But someone needs to trap them and get them out of there...Sounds like a dog problem too!GloriaI know - I am in the process of trying to trap Ginger's mom - I havebeen feeding her and other ferals who are left there behind mycompany's back (I am not allowed to feed them any more, but I amanyway, if they find out, I could be fired). Recently, I have seenmany vicious dogs roaming around (pit bull, rotwiler, and chows,,) inthe parking lot where I feed Ginger's mom and other kitties. I am soworried about them as these dogs pack and hunt and they are verydangerous - I don't even know if Ginger's mom and others are safe -they can hardly come eat the food anymore - besides I think someoneat work must have found the food plates that I put out as there weregone today. I am freaking out because I could be fired - I don'tknow what to do! I just want to get them out of there - I shouldhave done so long time ago!-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED][mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of tamarasticklerSent: Tuesday, March 01, 2005 2:48 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: RE: Tip is Gone-KathyOh absolutely...uhm...either that or he has already reincarnated intoan orange tabby with a big head that as recently shown up at myparent's house. Same body shape...just different color! While thisone doesn't hiss, he won't allow himself to be touched or caught yeteither, yet he lays in Hisspuff's spot. My mom's freakin'out...she's afraid she'll become a crazy cat lady! She can't helpbut feed them...but she doesn't even really like cats and certainlydoesn't want to have to think about it outside in the cold andwet...esp. when it refuses to come in, but lays infront of thelaundry room window shivering. Everytime we rent a trap to catchhimhe's a no show. So she is just going to keep feeding him inthe hopes that he'll come around like the other two, Tom Jerry,that she refuses to admit are hers, but they have trained Mom Dadto let them in the house at willthey even have their own bedsdownstairsFor that matter, Mom's dog used to HATE cats...Jerrytook two and a half years, but won her over too!What idiot human ever coined the phrase "dumb animals"?Hideyo Yamamoto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:Every feral cat story I hear, I just can't stop crying - there is abook called "Livings in shadows" - it's a book about how to takecare of feral cats - the title itself makes me cry because itrepresents so much of how their life is - I had a feral who used tohisses and growls as she ate - I just love my ferals -I am sure that your big puffy head boy is in heaven --Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED][mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of tamarasticklerSent: Tuesday, March 01, 2005 7:10 AMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: RE: Tip is Gone-KathyWe had a feral for about 3 years that we fed...a burmese mix, allblack, big puffy head with a small body and stubby legs. Everytimehe saw us he'd hissso of course we named him Hisspuff. Afterabout a year we could pet him while he ate, but he'd still hiss whenhe first saw us. We tried to get him to come into the house...but henever would, just prefered the straw we put out for him in the bushesout front. He got sick, nose stuffed up and eyes running - butwouldn't ever let us catch him. He showed up at the back of thehouse one day...just to say goodbye...again we tried to catch him,but he wouldn't have it and went off to die...but he'll ALWAYS be oneof my favorites!Hideyo Yamamoto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:I know what you mean, some of my feral hisses and spits at mewhenever I am near them - but I still love them as much if you knowwhat I mean - There is this poem some one of the FIP list sent to theother list member a long time ago when they lost their love one - andI found it very soothing and am trying to find it so that I can sharewith this list member --Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED][mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Sunday, February 27, 2005 10:21 AMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: Tip is Gone - KathyThanks Kathy, Seeing them all again will be wonderful. Like you Ihave had pets of all kinds and I loved them all (even some that werenot so lovable.)It makes it easier knowing that they will be therefor me when it is my turn to
