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Here are some links about treatment of Toxo in cats. Some sources say there is no approved treatment for it, but most agree that there are measures to treat the condition that has been used successfully. (In other words... either a treatment exists that works, it just hasn't been studied enough to gain wide-spread approval, or nothing actually CURES the cat [as in killing the toxo immediately on contact], but it does treat it and eliminate the shedding process) Also have other interesting facts about toxo, and it's spread... such as the fact that it takes a day for the things to activate and become transmissible... so if you change the litter daily, it's never contagious. An interesting fact I wasn't aware of until today. http://www.fabcats.org/toxoplasmosis.html http://www.antechdiagnostics.com/clients/antechNews/2000/4-00.htm http://www.vet.cornell.edu/fhc/resources/brochure/toxo.html http://www.capcvet.org/?p=Guidelines_Toxoplasmah=0s=0 Yeah, I know you've heard way too much advice on baby raising by this point, and are sick of it, I thought about not mentioning the baby on side sleeping thing at all (cause I'm sure you've heard it and many others by now), but when it comes to baby sleeping WITH a cat... you really don't want the baby on it's back where the cat could lay across her entire face (kinda makes sense that way). Most people don't consider the cat in the bed fact when they advise you to keep baby on back or belly. Jenn http://ucat.us http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Adopt a cat from UCAT rescue: http://ucat.us/adopt.html Adopt a FIV+ cat: http://ucat.us/AWrescue/FIV/ http://ucat.us/FIVadopt.html Adopt a FELV+ cat: http://ucat.us/FELVadopt.html Saving one animal won't make a difference in the world, but it will make a world of difference for that one animal. ~~~ I collect KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil, a 3 yr old special needs cat who must live on a liquid diet for the rest of his life. Bazil's caretaker collects labels and sends them to KMR, where they add up until she earns a free can of formula! PLEASE save your KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil! If you use KMR, even just one can, please ask me for the mailing address you can send them to, to help feed Bazil! -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.12.7/160 - Release Date: 11/3/2005
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Karen, I remember you (I think. :) You were Baby C's mom right? The entire C-naming theme? lol. Forgive me if I am incorrect. I have the whole litter box thing covered. Wink-wink! I had requested an Amniocentesis to rule out Toxoplasmosis back when I was five (5) months (or twenty (20) weeks) pregnant. My OB/GYN ordered a CMV (Cytomegalovirus) IgG IgM. The results were positive on ME for PAST exposure, but the baby's results were negative. A Toxoplasmosis IgG IgM. The results were negative for both me and the baby. Finally a Triple Alpha-fetal protein screen which was negative. The Amnio was way cool! It is a darn shame that not every woman has one (1) performed during her pregnancy. It was so easy and completely harmless to the baby! Those statistics are just there to scare women out of getting an Amnio. It was no different than getting your blood drawn in the arm. I had no complications or side effects what-so-ever. The best line of defense to any disease is early detection! The flame warning was included in my post because my last thread Massive Spraying Issue got a little out of hand when Sally absolutely insisted that I immediately contact an animal communicator regarding my dilemma. I just did not want that result to re-hatch itself on this thread. I think I may have confused the group with my TAR (Trap-Alter-Return) rescue work with my thirteen (13) kitties! lol. I do NOT do foster care, because all of my cats have contracted Feline Herpes from my beloved FeLV positive kitty, Peeper, who passed away back in 2003. LOL. So the number 13 that you all keep reading is the actual number of PERMANENT cats that will forever be in my family. LOL. Sorry if I did not properly clarify that point. But yeah. I just cannot bring myself to do anything more than TAR and vaccinations (which is privately and independently funded out of my own pocket) for fear that I will spread the Feline Herpes. As for the gliders. Well, they have a permanent and forever home with us too. LOL. Yeah, I have quite a zoo, but people tend to participate in glider-mills and I just absolutely CANNOT have it! I won't! So me and my husband rescue colonies from previous owners (who would otherwise separate and sell to the highest bidder) and have the ALL the males neutered. It is a win-win situation for everyone involved. The previous owners get a adoption fee FROM me, the gliders NEVER get separated from their bonded family, the males get immediately neutered (thus no more unwanted pregnancies) and I get the satisfaction of knowing that I took one (1) more colony off of the street. Not only did I provided a safe, loving and forever home for these exotics, but they will NEVER know what it is like to be in a breeding mill-farm! I would do the EXACT same thing for purebred cats if we just had the house space. This one and a half story cape cod only has so much living space. It is just SO HARD for me to even CONSIDER the idea of fostering, because even without the Feline Herpes, I still would not be able to do it. I get too attached to my babies and as many foster moms (and dads) can confirm, we always wonder just HOW good of pet-guardians can these applicants be! I am sure that we all know the feeling that no one can be a better cat-mom or cat-dad that us. Right?! lol. Believe me, I can relate. So yeah, I am trying to take it easy. The way I look at it is this. The fur-kids keep me in shape! :) Taking care of them, the litter boxes, aquarium, five (5) foot glider cages, etc. will help me maintain my ideal pregnancy weight and will also aid in losing it when the baby gets here! Nice huh? LOL. Another win-win situation! Thanks for the reply! Lora --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Lora, I think I remember you. Wow that's a tough personal choice. Be extra careful with litter boxes toxo is deadly to a growing baby. No flaming why would anyone flame you? If you asked me when I was in my 20's having my kids I would say no sweat, but now my best recommendation is take in a lot fewer pets in case something goes wrong and you have to lets say go on bed rest. I have one foster who does moms with litters. She is in her 6th month and needs to slow down. So she is cutting back to one or two pups instead of large dogs with large litters. If you need to talk been there done that had Belinda make the tee shirt. LOL. Email me we will talk. __ Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. http://farechase.yahoo.com
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yep the whole c naming thing that's us hey I rescue gliders too !!! I have a mom dad and joey right now on the website.my cats love to stay up all night and watch them I heard its not good to get dad neutered while the joey is just coming out of pouch..too much time away even if just for the better part of the day. what do you think? Girl you have a handle on the whole thing...everything has changed since my first in 83. they told me I had toxo but wasn't sure what that was it came from a cat and the old tests couldn't tell the difference from past exposure or present infectionamnio was new and not an option unless you were over 35. I think you have everything covered and I am proud to know you again
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Karen, I am SO glad that I was correct on the C-gang! LOL! I really try hard to remember everyone, but I understand that it is literally impossible. You rescue gliders too? Do you really?! Aww, well GOOD FOR YOU! I have been a glider-mom for ALMOST three (3) years now. I adopted my first pair back in February 2003. The suggies were a bonded male and female (brother and sister) and have never left my home since! I did not know WHAT to name the little things and as a result they got stuck with the worst names EVER! LOL. I named the female Mommy who has never had joeys in her life, so go figure and the male ended up being named Guy-Guy. I know. Terrible! LOL. But they were my first, so I am entitled to a one-time goof right? LOL. My kitties LOVE to watch the suggie too. However, I have my gliders in their own glider-room which has a door that closes and locks, so the kitties are never exposed to the gliders without my supervision. I do not want any accidental deaths occurring. As far a timing a neuter goes. Well, it is extremely trick business that can (at times) not go right at all! lol. Getting the male neutered is the easy part, it is deciding WHEN to do it and it is especially hard to accomplish AFTER the female has bore joeys. You see, a female can nurse a joey(s) and still become pregnant with a SECOND joey(s) in utro. Yes, one joey(s) OOP and a second joey(s) ip. Been there. Done that. Actually I JUST did that! LOL. I had Bailey (father) neutered on 09-19-05 and I roughly calculated that Kahlua (mother) became pregnant on or around 08-16-05 (08-16-05 to 08-31-05 is exactly sixteen (16) days gestation) and the joeys iped on 09-01-05. Therefore, if these calculations were correct the joeys could OOP as early as October the 30th (that is exactly sixty (60) days ip) or as late as 11-09-05 (that is exactly seventy (70) days ip.) And I was close. I had a new set of identical twin boys OOP on 10-31-05! Like I need MORE boys as I do another hole in the head! Grrr! I just had four (4) neuters performed in between 7-05-05 and 10-28-05 at $117.00 dollars a piece! Unfortunately, the operations do NOT come cheap like the feline spay/neuters can i.e. low-income, sliding-scale, low-cost clinics, etc. PLUS, a female sugar glider can harvest a fertilized embryo up to six (6) months AFTER conception! Therefore, she can surprise you with a pregnancy even AFTER a neuter! Nice huh? I am seriously trying to get ALL of the boys neutered before the baby comes because my OB/GYN has my delivery down as a Scheduled C-Section (due to my extensive medical history) and I am only 27! LOL. Just the way my luck runs! Anyway, getting back to your point. It is never good to separate a pregnant bonded female and male, because it causes stress (which can lead to rejection and cannibalization of the joey(s).) However, if you choose to NOT temporarily separate (in order to have the neuter properly performed) then you run the risk having more unwanted pregnancies and the cycle continues all over again. Eventually, you have to find a medium break somewhere and most the time it is the pet-guardian who has to CREATE that break, because the sugar glider do not know any better. They will breed themselves to death if you let them. For me, the risk of having more joeys outweighed the risk of stressing them out. Therefore, I have experience in temporarily separating a newly pregnant colony and everything went fine. The female did not reject or cannibalize her joeys and the male did beautifully in the neuter. They were separated for a minimum of five (5) days (long enough for the male to completely finish his post-operative pain medication) and then was reunited on the sixth day. Really not that big of a deal. Easy-easy! If you have any more questions regarding your beloved suggies please do not hesitate to give me a holler on or off the list. I would be delighted to help in any way that I can. It is ALWAYS so nice to meet another glider/cat-mom! There are WAY too many glider-moms who are anti-cat! Too sad! Keep in touch. Lora --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yep the whole c naming thing that's us. Hey I rescue gliders too!! I have a mom dad and joey right now on the website. My cats love to stay up all night and watch them!!! I heard it's not good to get dad neutered while the joey is just coming out of pouch. Too much time away even if just for the better part of the day. What do you think? Girl you have a handle on the whole thing. Everything has changed since my first in 83. They told me I had toxo but wasn't sure what that was. It came from a cat and the old tests couldn't tell the difference from past exposure or present infection. Amnio was new and not an option unless you were over 35. I think you have everything covered and I am proud to know you again. __ Start your day with Yahoo! - Make it your home page! http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs
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In a message dated 11/2/2005 12:48:37 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: No flaming why would anyone flame you? Oh I remember it did get out of hand. By the way it was uncalled for. Just take care of yourself and have husband do the litterboxes. If not possible at times use disposable plastic gloves. Myself I have been there and done that as well being pregnant and having at least a dozen kitties at the time. The babies now full grown adults have done the same with their babies my grandchildren. Nobody yet has gotten sick from having cats. This seems to be the biggest scare factor in my rescue of Siamese cats. They are given up due to being pregnant regardless of what the cats age may be. It happens more to the senior kitties that need new homes because of it. Anyway, only you can make the choices of whats right for you and your furbabies. I wish you a happy and safe pregnancy!!! :) Terrie MohrTAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTSSIAMESE COLLIE RESCUEOwner/DriverCheck sites for available Siameses for adoption!http://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/Click Here to Join WASHINGTON SIAMESE RESCUE Yahoo Group!http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescuehttp://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/index.htmlhttp://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/myhomepage/petmemorial.htmlPetfinder.comAdopt a Homeless Pet!http://www.petfinder.com/http://www.felineleukemia.org/http://www.petloss.com/TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTShttps://www.paypal.com/
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Nothing to add, just congratulations on the pending bebe! :) I'm sure everything will work out just fine, just stay relaxed, let everyone know they're loved (I've no shame...I will resort to tuna as bribery for their love... ;) )... LOL! Most of all, enjoy every moment with your family! Jen But if you tame me, then we shall need each other. To me, you will be unique in all the world. To you, I shall be unique in all the world; You become responsible, forever, for what you have tamed... --Antoine de Saint-Exupéry If you talk to the animals they will talk with you and you will know each other. If you do not talk to them you will not know them, and what you do not know you will fear. What one fears one destroys. --Chief Dan George - Original Message - From: Lora [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wednesday, November 2, 2005 0:19 am Subject: Pregnant Rescue Work I have a question. Well, it is more of looking for some personal advice on an issue. I have been off and on the FeLVtalk list for three (3) years now, but ever since the Massive Spraying issue back in 12-14-04 I very rarely receive responses from my posts. It is almost as if me and the group have had a falling out. Before I get started and for clarification purposes, this post is NOT what you may think that it is. No flames please! For those that do not know me, I am a cat-mom who is happily loved by thirteen (13) adorable kitties, ten (10) in which are strictly indoors cats only. Currently all of my kids are FeLV negative. The kitties are not the only fur-kids that we have adopted. Our house is a multi-animal home. Me and my husband have two (2) dogs, a small ten (10) gallon freshwater tank, a horse and twenty-five (25) sugar gliders. (We do sugar glider rescue work as well as feline rescue work.) ALL of my kids have been rescues via straight off of the street, animal control or human societies. I DO NOT BREED. All of my fur-kids have been spayed and/or neutered (including the exotics) at four (4) months of age. We live on six (6) acres of country land. Okay, with all of the red-tape out of the way. The reason for this post is because this particular topic has come up often in the past and I need some honest and straightforward advice. Me and my husband are expecting with our first child. I am currently six (6) months pregnant and sacrificing any of the fur-kids for our human child is completely OUT OF THE QUESTION. We are NOT going to lose ANY member of our family due to this pregnancy. However, me and my husband are completely aware that the baby will inevitably change the balance of our home's environment and/or atmosphere. Therefore, we are in need of ideas to help the kids through a smooth and safe transition i.e. playing a tape/CD that has baby cries on it so that the fur-kids can become accustomed to the sound, allowing the kids access to the baby's room so that they become familiar with the baby's smell, etc. Spraying, inappropriate elimination, territorial aggression, jealousy, rejection and avoidance are normal responses to ANY new arrival and/or addition; therefore, me and my husband expect and accept these types of behavioral outbursts. I just did not know if anyone here on the list has ever continued their rescue work while pregnant. If so, how did the transition workout for you? Did your fur-kids eventually come around to accepting the new baby or do they just call a truce? Again, this post is not intended to instigate ANY kind of argument! Just looking for some helpful and honest advice from those of you who have experience in this department. Thanks! Lora __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com
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Hi Lora, I remember the spraying issue, yes it did get out of hand. I'm sorry you felt that we had a falling out with you! I think it just got frustrating for all of us trying to figure out what the heck was making your cat so spray happy. Sally believes strongly in AC, and she was sure that was the answer to solving your problem. We ladies can get our fur up! I'm glad to see you back. How is that fresh kitty doing? Still spraying? As far as welcoming your baby into your home, (congratulations btw!), from all you've described, I'm sure your household will do just fine. Keep calm and keep talking to your kitties about how they are going to have a new baby to help you take care of. They know this is your baby, just keep spreading that love of yours around, everyone will adjust, you'll see. Nina Lora wrote: I have a question. Well, it is more of looking for some personal advice on an issue. I have been off and on the FeLVtalk list for three (3) years now, but ever since the Massive Spraying issue back in 12-14-04 I very rarely receive responses from my posts. It is almost as if me and the group have had a falling out. Before I get started and for clarification purposes, this post is NOT what you may think that it is. No flames please! For those that do not know me, I am a cat-mom who is happily loved by thirteen (13) adorable kitties, ten (10) in which are strictly indoors cats only. Currently all of my kids are FeLV negative. The kitties are not the only fur-kids that we have adopted. Our house is a multi-animal home. Me and my husband have two (2) dogs, a small ten (10) gallon freshwater tank, a horse and twenty-five (25) sugar gliders. (We do sugar glider rescue work as well as feline rescue work.) ALL of my kids have been rescues via straight off of the street, animal control or human societies. I DO NOT BREED. All of my fur-kids have been spayed and/or neutered (including the exotics) at four (4) months of age. We live on six (6) acres of country land. Okay, with all of the red-tape out of the way. The reason for this post is because this particular topic has come up often in the past and I need some honest and straightforward advice. Me and my husband are expecting with our first child. I am currently six (6) months pregnant and sacrificing any of the fur-kids for our human child is completely OUT OF THE QUESTION. We are NOT going to lose ANY member of our family due to this pregnancy. However, me and my husband are completely aware that the baby will inevitably change the balance of our home's environment and/or atmosphere. Therefore, we are in need of ideas to help the kids through a smooth and safe transition i.e. playing a tape/CD that has baby cries on it so that the fur-kids can become accustomed to the sound, allowing the kids access to the baby's room so that they become familiar with the baby's smell, etc. Spraying, inappropriate elimination, territorial aggression, jealousy, rejection and avoidance are normal responses to ANY new arrival and/or addition; therefore, me and my husband expect and accept these types of behavioral outbursts. I just did not know if anyone here on the list has ever continued their rescue work while pregnant. If so, how did the transition workout for you? Did your fur-kids eventually come around to accepting the new baby or do they just call a truce? Again, this post is not intended to instigate ANY kind of argument! Just looking for some helpful and honest advice from those of you who have experience in this department. Thanks! Lora __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com
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Lora--I'm hardly reading/posting right now due to work pressure BUT wanted to say congrats to you and your husband on the about-to-be addition to your family!! And wish you your existing family much harmony when human baby arrives! PLUS a heartfelt thankyou to you, along with all the other amazing people on this list who do the same, for all the huge amount of time, effort and $$ you devote to homeless and sick animals. What you do is truly wonderful. Kerry -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lora Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2005 12:19 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Pregnant Rescue Work I have a question. Well, it is more of looking for some personal advice on an issue. I have been off and on the FeLVtalk list for three (3) years now, but ever since the Massive Spraying issue back in 12-14-04 I very rarely receive responses from my posts. It is almost as if me and the group have had a falling out. Before I get started and for clarification purposes, this post is NOT what you may think that it is. No flames please! For those that do not know me, I am a cat-mom who is happily loved by thirteen (13) adorable kitties, ten (10) in which are strictly indoors cats only. Currently all of my kids are FeLV negative. The kitties are not the only fur-kids that we have adopted. Our house is a multi-animal home. Me and my husband have two (2) dogs, a small ten (10) gallon freshwater tank, a horse and twenty-five (25) sugar gliders. (We do sugar glider rescue work as well as feline rescue work.) ALL of my kids have been rescues via straight off of the street, animal control or human societies. I DO NOT BREED. All of my fur-kids have been spayed and/or neutered (including the exotics) at four (4) months of age. We live on six (6) acres of country land. Okay, with all of the red-tape out of the way. The reason for this post is because this particular topic has come up often in the past and I need some honest and straightforward advice. Me and my husband are expecting with our first child. I am currently six (6) months pregnant and sacrificing any of the fur-kids for our human child is completely OUT OF THE QUESTION. We are NOT going to lose ANY member of our family due to this pregnancy. However, me and my husband are completely aware that the baby will inevitably change the balance of our home's environment and/or atmosphere. Therefore, we are in need of ideas to help the kids through a smooth and safe transition i.e. playing a tape/CD that has baby cries on it so that the fur-kids can become accustomed to the sound, allowing the kids access to the baby's room so that they become familiar with the baby's smell, etc. Spraying, inappropriate elimination, territorial aggression, jealousy, rejection and avoidance are normal responses to ANY new arrival and/or addition; therefore, me and my husband expect and accept these types of behavioral outbursts. I just did not know if anyone here on the list has ever continued their rescue work while pregnant. If so, how did the transition workout for you? Did your fur-kids eventually come around to accepting the new baby or do they just call a truce? Again, this post is not intended to instigate ANY kind of argument! Just looking for some helpful and honest advice from those of you who have experience in this department. Thanks! Lora __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com hr IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed above as to tax matters was neither written nor intended by the sender or Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP to be used and cannot be used by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding tax penalties that may be imposed under U.S. tax law. If any person uses or refers to any such tax advice in promoting, marketing or recommending a partnership or other entity, investment plan or arrangement to any taxpayer, then (i) the advice was written to support the promotion or marketing (by a person other than Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP) of that transaction or matter, and (ii) such taxpayer should seek advice based on the taxpayers particular circumstances from an independent tax advisor hr This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
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Flames? You deserve a pat on the back and a hug! Del - Original Message - From: Lora To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2005 12:19 AM Subject: Pregnant Rescue Work I have a question. Well, it is more of looking forsome personal advice on an issue.I have been off and on the FeLVtalk list for three (3)years now, but ever since the "Massive Spraying" issueback in 12-14-04 I very rarely receive responses frommy posts. It is almost as if me and the group have hada falling out.Before I get started and for clarification purposes,this post is NOT what you may think that it is. Noflames please!For those that do not know me, I am a cat-mom who ishappily loved by thirteen (13) adorable kitties, ten(10) in which are strictly indoors cats only.Currently all of my kids are FeLV negative.The kitties are not the only fur-kids that we haveadopted. Our house is a multi-animal home. Me and myhusband have two (2) dogs, a small ten (10) gallonfreshwater tank, a horse and twenty-five (25) sugargliders. (We do sugar glider rescue work as well asfeline rescue work.)ALL of my kids have been rescues via straight off ofthe street, animal control or human societies. I DONOT BREED. All of my fur-kids have been spayed and/orneutered (including the exotics) at four (4) months ofage. We live on six (6) acres of country land.Okay, with all of the "red-tape" out of the way. Thereason for this post is because this particular"topic" has come up often in the past and I need somehonest and straightforward advice.Me and my husband are expecting with our first child.I am currently six (6) months pregnant and sacrificingany of the fur-kids for our human child is completelyOUT OF THE QUESTION. We are NOT going to lose ANYmember of our family due to this pregnancy.However, me and my husband are completely aware thatthe baby will inevitably change the balance of ourhome's environment and/or atmosphere.Therefore, we are in need of ideas to help the kidsthrough a smooth and safe transition i.e. playing atape/CD that has baby cries on it so that the fur-kidscan become accustomed to the sound, allowing the kidsaccess to the baby's room so that they become familiarwith the baby's "smell", etc.Spraying, inappropriate elimination, territorialaggression, jealousy, rejection and avoidance arenormal responses to ANY new arrival and/or addition;therefore, me and my husband expect and accept thesetypes of behavioral outbursts.I just did not know if anyone here on the list hasever continued their rescue work while pregnant. Ifso, how did the transition workout for you? Did yourfur-kids eventually come around to "accepting" the newbaby or do they just call a truce?Again, this post is not intended to instigate ANY kindof argument! Just looking for some helpful and honestadvice from those of you who have experience in thisdepartment. Thanks!Lora__ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com
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When I was pregnant, one of my cats used to sleep on my big belly and in the baby cradle. After my baby was born, my cat carefully would sleep curled up beside her in the cradle. I never once had any issues between any of my cats and the baby, they all got along wonderfully. I think most people are scared the cats will hurt the baby, so they stress out, and shoo the cats away from the baby, because the HUMAN parents are paranoid. I did nothing... and everything went great, cats loved baby, baby didn't care one way or another about the cat sharing her bed. Babies should be laid on their sides bolstered between two rolled up towels to sleep. In this position, it is impossible for them to choke on their own spit up OR for a cat to lay on their face enough to hinder their breathing. As babies mature, they begin to pull fur on the cat if the cat tries to curl up too close... cats learn to avoid the baby on their own, no human discouragement is required. It's really amazing what nature works out on it's own if you just leave it to be, and let it run it's own course. Litter pans do need to be put in a non-baby accessible place one baby begins to crawl or walk (obviously). As far as rescue work goes, I would avoid doing anything that would lead to you being bitten by an unknown animal, as I doubt they would be able to do the rabies treatment on a pregnant woman without harming the fetus. You should also have all the cats (and other animals) you care for tested for Toxoplasmosis and parasites, and if they have any of those things, have them treated so that handling them and their litter, bowls, and bodies is not endangering your pregnancy. Jenn http://ucat.us http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Adopt a cat from UCAT rescue: http://ucat.us/adopt.html Adopt a FIV+ cat: http://ucat.us/AWrescue/FIV/ http://ucat.us/FIVadopt.html Adopt a FELV+ cat: http://ucat.us/FELVadopt.html Saving one animal won't make a difference in the world, but it will make a world of difference for that one animal. ~~~ I collect KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil, a 3 yr old special needs cat who must live on a liquid diet for the rest of his life. Bazil's caretaker collects labels and sends them to KMR, where they add up until she earns a free can of formula! PLEASE save your KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil! If you use KMR, even just one can, please ask me for the mailing address you can send them to, to help feed Bazil! -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.12.7/156 - Release Date: 11/2/2005
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Terrie, Thanks for taking the time to reply. I remember you too. You have used Patricia Schaller in the past for a few of your kitties and suggested that I contact her about the spraying, but I agree. The topic did quickly get out of hand. Yeah, my husband helps out a great deal with the kids. Years ago, we devised an animal schedule that equally divides up the workload between the kids, so we know exactly which of us is responsible for what. It is really quite an ingenious plan that is both fun and extremely effective. All the work successfully gets completed in record time. I am responsible for the gliders, but Christopher helps assist me in carrying the cages down the stairs (a task I USED to be able to perform before I became pregnant) to be tore down and washed once a month, he tends to the dogs and the horse, he feeds the kids (kitties) their dry food in the mornings while I give them their medication at night (L-Lysine, Vitamin C and Cranberry), I drain and dismantle the aquarium once a month, while he temporarily takes charge of washing, disinfecting and sanitizing all of the litter boxes on a monthly bases (again, another task I USED to be able to perform before we knew that we were expecting.) So everything is quite organized, structure and balanced in our home thanks to our teamwork, but it is the balance that concerns me the most when it comes to the baby. All of our efforts of a synchronized and harmonize home will be enormously disruptive once she gets here. All we can do that this point is hope and pray that the kids will have a smooth and safe transition. Of course, me and my husband will help ensure that the transition is as stress-free as possible for everyone involved, but unfortunately it is impossible to eliminate ALL of the possible future stress. I can just see a Herpes outbreak as soon as the baby gets here. In our house, any kind of stress and environmental change to the atmosphere ALWAYS induces the red watery wink. Once one (1) of the kitties visibly exhibit symptoms of the virus turning active, the active virus spreads like wildfire to ALL of the kids. It is such a huge hassle! :( However, we will just have to be properly prepared for any possible outbreaks and deal with the highs and lows as the come. Lora --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No flaming why would anyone flame you? --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh I remember it did get out of hand. By the way it was uncalled for. Just take care of yourself and have husband do the litter boxes. If not possible at times use disposable plastic gloves. Myself I have been there and done that as well being pregnant and having at least a dozen kitties at the time. The babies (now full grown adults) have done the same with their babies i.e. my grandchildren. Nobody yet has gotten sick from having cats. This seems to be the biggest scare factor in my rescue of Siamese cats. They are given up due to being pregnant regardless of what the cats age may be. It happens more to the senior kitties that need new homes because of it. Anyway, only you can make the choices of whats right for you and your furbabies. I wish you a happy and safe pregnancy!!! :) Terrie Mohr TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS SIAMESE COLLIE RESCUE Owner/Driver Check sites for available Siameses for adoption! http://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/ Click Here to Join WASHINGTON SIAMESE RESCUE Yahoo Group! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescue http://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/index.html http://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/myhomepage/petmemorial.html Petfinder.com Adopt a Homeless Pet! http://www.petfinder.com/ http://www.felineleukemia.org/ http://www.petloss.com/ TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS https://www.paypal.com/ __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com
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Jen, It is good to hear from you again. How is Charlie? Is he still with you? There is just something endearing about a puss in diapers right? lol. Thanks for the congrats! True. Remaining calm, cool and collected through the entire transition will help the kids to relax as well. An excellent point, since cats are so sensitive to their humans' moods ans emotions! We are enjoying EVERY minute of it! Change can be good right? LOL. Well, at least for some people. The problem is, am I one of those people?! ;) Lora --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nothing to add, just congratulations on the pending babe! :) I'm sure everything will work out just fine. Just stay relaxed, let everyone know they're loved (I've no shame...I will resort to tuna as bribery for their love! ;)) LOL! Most of all, enjoy every moment with your family! Jen But if you tame me, then we shall need each other. To me, you will be unique in all the world. To you, I shall be unique in all the world; You become responsible, forever, for what you have tamed... -- ---Antoine de Saint-Exupéry If you talk to the animals they will talk with you and you will know each other. If you do not talk to them you will not know them, and what you do not know you will fear. What one fears one destroys. --Chief Dan George __ Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. http://farechase.yahoo.com
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Hi Nina, You were the first person to respond to my Massive Spraying Issue thread, referring me to Patricia Schaller's website. It is kinda sad in a way to be remembered as the woman who had the spray-happy cat. LOL. But it IS the truth! Does your Ursula still spray? As far as falling out with the group goes. It just felt that way. I am so relieved that this is definitely NOT the case! And yes, believe it or not, I still have Dartagnan Montague. Without re-hatching this too bad, he is now on Fluoxetine (kitty Prozac) 2mg daily. It helps, but it is by far NO cure. The new prescription was finally prescribed 07-26-05. I have to get the medication through an Apothecary and it comes in capsule form. Lora --- Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Lora, I remember the spraying issue, yes it did get out of hand. I'm sorry you felt that we had a falling out with you! I think it just got frustrating for all of us trying to figure out what the heck was making your cat so spray happy. Sally believes strongly in AC, and she was sure that was the answer to solving your problem. We ladies can get our fur up! I'm glad to see you back. How is that fresh kitty doing? Still spraying? As far as welcoming your baby into your home, (congratulations btw!), from all you've described I'm sure household will do just fine. Keep calm and keep talking to your kitties about how they are going to have a new baby to help you take care of. They know this is your baby, just keep spreading that love of yours around, everyone will adjust, you'll see. Nina __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com
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Kerry, I understand all too well about being at work and not having the time to read and/or reply to posts. I am a homemaker, a military wife and soon to be a stay-at-home-mom and I barely have the luxury of being on-line! So I COMPLETELY understand how busy life can get... or in my case busIER life can get! LOL. Is Levi still with you? If so, I hope he is doing well! Thank you for your well-wishes and congrats on the baby, but more importantly thank you for recognizing the amount of time, money, effort and at times hassles that comes along with ANY rescue work. It is truly a labor of love. There are as much joys as there are tears. Much appreciated! Take care. Lora --- MacKenzie, Kerry N. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Lora, I'm hardly reading/posting right now due to work pressure BUT wanted to say congrats to you and your husband on the about-to-be addition to your family!! And wish you your existing family much harmony when human baby arrives! PLUS a heartfelt thank you to you (along with all the other amazing people on this list who do the same) for all the huge amount of time, effort and $$ you devote to homeless and sick animals. What you do is truly wonderful. Kerry __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com
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Del, Thank you for your kind words and I hope that Noah gets to feeling better. We thought that Dartagnan had Stomatitis for the longest of time. Fortunately, the veterinarian concluded that he did not. He just had severe Feline Gingivitis which was maintained via extracting his four (4) back molars. Two on top (one left and one right) and two on the bottom (one left and one right.) Lora --- Del Daniels [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Flames? You deserve a pat on the back and a hug! Del __ Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. http://farechase.yahoo.com
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Oh, bless your heart for remembering our Chooch (Charlie)! Sadly, he passed away, but darn it if he didn't put up a good fight! :) I still have his little diapers tucked away in a drawer! :) Two of Charlie's brothers are still going strong...so, in a sort-of physical sense, Chooch is still with us! Actually, just the other day Sleepypants gave me a look that reminded me so much of Charlie I couldn't help but smile! Thank you so much for your email...that really made my day! :) Jen But if you tame me, then we shall need each other. To me, you will be unique in all the world. To you, I shall be unique in all the world; You become responsible, forever, for what you have tamed... --Antoine de Saint-Exupéry If you talk to the animals they will talk with you and you will know each other. If you do not talk to them you will not know them, and what you do not know you will fear. What one fears one destroys. -- Chief Dan George - Original Message - From: Lora [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wednesday, November 2, 2005 5:19 pm Subject: Re: Pregnant Rescue Work Jen, It is good to hear from you again. How is Charlie? Is he still with you? There is just something endearing about a puss in diapers right? lol. Thanks for the congrats! True. Remaining calm, cool and collected through the entire transition will help the kids to relax as well. An excellent point, since cats are so sensitive to their humans' moods ans emotions! We are enjoying EVERY minute of it! Change can be good right? LOL. Well, at least for some people. The problem is, am I one of those people?! ;) Lora --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nothing to add, just congratulations on the pending babe! :) I'm sure everything will work out just fine. Just stay relaxed, let everyone know they're loved (I've no shame...I will resort to tuna as bribery for their love! ;)) LOL! Most of all, enjoy every moment with your family! Jen But if you tame me, then we shall need each other. To me, you will be unique in all the world. To you, I shall be unique in all the world; You become responsible, forever, for what you have tamed... -- ---Antoine de Saint-Exupéry If you talk to the animals they will talk with you and you will know each other. If you do not talk to them you will not know them, and what you do not know you will fear. What one fears one destroys. --Chief Dan George __ Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. http://farechase.yahoo.com
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Jenn, I have seen you around especially on the Angel Wings Sanctuary thread back in June, but I believe this is the first time we have actually spoke. I agree wholeheartedly on human parents becoming paranoid about their pets when there is a human baby involved. Thankfully, I am NOT one of them. I am sorry, but I never could relate to people like that. My fur-kids are just that...kids and they are equally a member of our family the way ANY human child would be. Unfortunately, there are those few incompetent and uneducated irresponsible pet-guardians who end up choosing their human child over their fur-kids and relinquishing their pets into the custody of the local animal control or humane society. Sad. Just plain sad. Yep, I have heard from just about everyone now on the DO's and DON'Ts when it comes to infants and sleeping. LOL. That is alright though. Comes with the territory right? Everyone is just trying to help. Speaking of No-Baby Zones, that reminds me. I need to purchase some Baby Gates to close off the litter boxes. (The fur-kids can easily scale over the tops of them) but it will definitely keep the child out. Yes, my rescue work has slowed down for obvious reasons. I can barely walk anymore! LOL. It takes me FOREVER to get anything done, but it all DOES get done. Therefore, I have temporarily discontinued my TAR for the time being. Since I am the sole individual who runs the process (I do not receive any physical assistance) and with the ferals WAY too quick for me at this point in time; I figured what is the use? LOL. That is okay. My condition is only temporary and those ferals have their days numbered! Eventually, they will ALL be altered. Thank God I was not too far into my pregnancy during kitten season! I was still able to half-ass properly function! LOL! All of my kitties have been tested for Toxo. It is one (1) of the tests that is automatically ran with the Chemistry Feline Health Panel (a blood-work panel that consists of seven (7) separate tests.) I have that and an IFA ran on ALL of my kids annually. Only two (2) of my kids are positive for toxo. My oldest two, Felix age 6 years (male) and Temper age 9 years (female.) Despite the possible risks involved, I have decided NOT to break up our happy home via relocating my Felix and Temper. According to many Humane Societies and Animal Control standards, these two (2) are are WAY beyond their Generic years and would be (without a doubt) euthanized on the spot. Therefore, no. My kids are mine and they will forever stay with me...at any cost. Beside an Animo was performed and the test results were normal. Me and the baby are negative for Toxo. So, I am definitely NOT worried. To the best of my knowledge there is neither a treatment nor a cure for Feline Toxoplasmosis. Lora --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When I was pregnant, one of my cats used to sleep on my big belly and in the baby cradle. After my baby was born, my cat carefully would sleep curled up beside her in the cradle. I never once had any issues between any of my cats and the baby, they all got along wonderfully. I think most people are scared the cats will hurt the baby, so they stress out, and shoo the cats away from the baby, because the HUMAN parents are paranoid. I did nothing and everything went great. The cats loved the baby and the baby didn't care one way or another about the cat sharing her bed. Babies should be laid on their sides bolstered between two rolled up towels to sleep. In this position, it is impossible for them to choke on their own spit up OR for a cat to lay on their face enough to hinder their breathing. As babies mature, they begin to pull fur on the cat if the cat tries to curl up too close. Cats learn to avoid the baby on their own, no human discouragement is required. It's really amazing what nature works out on it's own if you just leave it to be, and let it run it's own course. Litter pans do need to be put in a non-baby accessible place one baby begins to crawl or walk (obviously). As far as rescue work goes, I would avoid doing anything that would lead to you being bitten by an unknown animal, as I doubt they would be able to do the rabies treatment on a pregnant woman without harming the fetus. You should also have all the cats (and other animals) you care for tested for Toxoplasmosis and parasites, and if they have any of those things, have them treated so that handling them and their litter, bowls, and bodies is not endangering your pregnancy. Jenn http://ucat.us http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Adopt a cat from UCAT rescue: http://ucat.us/adopt.html Adopt a FIV+ cat: http://ucat.us/AWrescue/FIV/ http://ucat.us/FIVadopt.html Adopt a FELV+ cat: http://ucat.us/FELVadopt.html Saving one animal won't make a difference in the world, but it will make a world of difference for that one animal. ~~ I collect KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil, a 3 yr old special needs
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Congratulations from me as well! My sister went through her first pregnancy at 41 a little over a year ago. lol. They had 3 cats and 3 dogs at the time. (Well they still do!) She had her husband clean the litters, but other than that there have been no real issues. I hope it is the same for you. Her 'trouble boy' cat did scratch the baby bed as soon as we got it put up! (But we hid it from her husband. lol) They did decide to keep the baby's room closed off from the cats at the beginning. If my sister or her husband were in the nursery they allowed them in, but at night they closed off the baby's room just to keep the cats from getting cat hair all in the baby's bed and unintentionally scratching him. The cats and dogs mostly ignored the baby until he was old enough to start crawling around a bit. He just loves them all to death now and will chase them. Everyone runs away from him except one dog who is Tyler's buddy. Overall it went much better than they feared. He's had a few minor, accidental scratches, but nothing bad. He has more accidents involving toys and sofas and coffee tables etc... than he does with the animals. One of the cats (the 'bad' boy, Ottis) will allow Tyler to pet him until he gets too rough and will go to him, etc... The other two cats ignored him completely for the most part when he was by himself, but would come sit with him when he was being held by my sister, etc... One of their neighbors talked about having a cat with her baby that always slept with him, but with 13 cats you probably don't want that! Before Tyler was walking he was just enthralled with the cats. Maybe because they didn't pay him much attention. If one walked by he would just laugh and get so excited, especially if one would let him touchhim or her. His favorite book is that "Jingle Cats". I think the worse thing is we are all worried that Tyler thinks he is a dog! He started getting into the food and water dishes as soon as he could scoot around on the floor. And as an only child his best friend is a basset mix (Barney) who he shares all his cookies and food with and constantly plays with. Barney is one of those dogs that lets Tyler sit on him, pull his tail, anything for food. lol.When Tyler learned to give kisses he mostly kissed Barney (much to my mother's dismay!) My sister started putting Tyler in a playpen when she gave him zwieback cookies or other snacks so Barney wouldn't get them, but Tyler would just push them through the loops and give them to Barney! Tyler frequently plays 'like a dog' and chases toys, etc.. because that's how he plays with Barney. He gives all his toys to Barney who promptly chews them up. When I talk tomy sisteron the phone all I can hear is "Tyler, no, Barney, no! Get out of the kitchen Tyler and Barney!" Barney was a stray my sister and brother in law took in. The other two dogs are jealous of Tyler, but mostly ignore him. I really think children brought up with pets are happier children. My sister spends a lot of time trainingTyler not to pull tails, etc... and as he gets older he's starting to understand it and the rest of the animals are warming up to him more. I'm determined for my nephew to be a vet, so we are starting training early! Good luck! Tonya[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nothing to add, just "congratulations" on the pending bebe! :) I'msure everything will work out just fine, just stay relaxed, let everyoneknow they're loved (I've no shame...I will resort to tuna as bribery fortheir love... ;) )... LOL! Most of all, enjoy every moment with yourfamily!Jen"But if you tame me, then we shall need each other. To me, you will beunique in all the world. To you, I shall be unique in all the world; Youbecome responsible, forever, for what you have tamed..." --Antoine deSaint-Exupéry"If you talk to the animals they will talk with you and you will knoweach other. If you do not talk to them you will not know them, and whatyou do not know you will fear. What one fears one destroys." --Chief DanGeorge- Original Message -From: Lora <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Date: Wednesday, November 2, 2005 0:19 amSubject: Pregnant Rescue Work I have a question. Well, it is more of looking for some personal advice on an issue. I have been off and on the FeLVtalk list for three (3) years now, but ever since the "Massive Spraying" issue back in 12-14-04 I very rarely receive responses from my posts. It is almost as if me and the group have had a falling out. Before I get started and for clarification purposes, this post is NOT what you may think that it is. No flames please! For those that do not know me, I am a cat-mom who is happily loved by thirteen (13) adorable kitties, ten (10) in which are strictly indoors cats only. Currently all of my kids are FeLV negative. The kitties are not the only fur-kids that we have adopted. Our house is a multi-animal home. Me an
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One other thing Lora.. you should if at all possible get some help. My sister couldn't keep up with everything for the baby's first year. She lives out of state, so the family's not close enough to help her like we would if she lived here. Taking care of a baby is a full time job, and you already have a full time job with that many animals. If you can afford some help with cleaning or pet care you should get it and not feel guilty about it! tLora [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have a question. Well, it is more of looking forsome personal advice on an issue.I have been off and on the FeLVtalk list for three (3)years now, but ever since the "Massive Spraying" issueback in 12-14-04 I very rarely receive responses frommy posts. It is almost as if me and the group have hada falling out.Before I get started and for clarification purposes,this post is NOT what you may think that it is. Noflames please!For those that do not know me, I am a cat-mom who ishappily loved by thirteen (13) adorable kitties, ten(10) in which are strictly indoors cats only.Currently all of my kids are FeLV negative.The kitties are not the only fur-kids that we haveadopted. Our house is a multi-animal home. Me and myhusband have two (2) dogs, a small ten (10) gallonfreshwater tank, a horse and twenty-five (25) sugargliders. (We do sugar glider rescue work as well asfeline rescue work.)ALL of my kids have been rescues via straight off ofthe street, animal control or human societies. I DONOT BREED. All of my fur-kids have been spayed and/orneutered (including the exotics) at four (4) months ofage. We live on six (6) acres of country land.Okay, with all of the "red-tape" out of the way. Thereason for this post is because this particular"topic" has come up often in the past and I need somehonest and straightforward advice.Me and my husband are expecting with our first child.I am currently six (6) months pregnant and sacrificingany of the fur-kids for our human child is completelyOUT OF THE QUESTION. We are NOT going to lose ANYmember of our family due to this pregnancy.However, me and my husband are completely aware thatthe baby will inevitably change the balance of ourhome's environment and/or atmosphere.Therefore, we are in need of ideas to help the kidsthrough a smooth and safe transition i.e. playing atape/CD that has baby cries on it so that the fur-kidscan become accustomed to the sound, allowing the kidsaccess to the baby's room so that they become familiarwith the baby's "smell", etc.Spraying, inappropriate elimination, territorialaggression, jealousy, rejection and avoidance arenormal responses to ANY new arrival and/or addition;therefore, me and my husband expect and accept thesetypes of behavioral outbursts.I just did not know if anyone here on the list hasever continued their rescue work while pregnant. Ifso, how did the transition workout for you? Did yourfur-kids eventually come around to "accepting" the newbaby or do they just call a truce?Again, this post is not intended to instigate ANY kindof argument! Just looking for some helpful and honestadvice from those of you who have experience in thisdepartment. Thanks!Lora__ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com
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Tonya, It has been awhile. Good to hear from you! I SO appreciated your emails! They made me laugh and laugh! The story you shared about your sister and baby Tyler is EXACTLY the same picture I see when I visualize my little girl growing up in our home! It is so amazing that you mention Tyler's and Barney's antics, because my younger sister had her first child back on February 25, 2003 (a little boy they named Jacob) and he absolutely LOVE animals! Every time they came over he would sit and squill at my kitties with a huge goofy grin on his face. When he turned two (2) and was walking, he would try and chase the kitties, tripping all the way! LOL. But he never cared. He is truly a happy child. My kids (kitties) on the other hand did not care for Jacob at all. There was NEVER any fussing, fighting or territorial aggression physically displayed with my kids towards baby Jacob. As you (and several others) have mentioned, my kids would either sit out of child's reach and just stare at him or avoided Jacob completely. It was obvious that baby Jacob was more tickled with them than they were about him! LOL. The idea that Tyler thinks he is a dog just cracked me up! I can SO relate! With so many animals in our home I can see where my little girl can become confused with her identity! LOL. All of her newborn clothes (so far) are done in pink kitties! My husband teases me that I may get away with dressing her up in kitty themed clothes for the first couple of years, but eventually she will want to dress herself and he is laying bets that she will choose to NOT be dressed as a cat! LOL. Her nursery is in all kitties too. Not the typical Hello Kitty or Disney Marie kitties either. They are overrated. Instead I had to literally piece together her accessories throughout my entire pregnancy as pink bunnies lambs and bears tend to be the standard norm. Unfortunately, not a lot of companies make kitty anything for babies and when they do it is basically for a test run to see if the item sell well. Therefore, not a lot duplicates of that particular item are manufactured. It is difficult, but fun. So anyway, I can see the possibility of my little thinking that she is a cat, having a best friend who is a cat or adopting one of the kitties as a security blanket! LOL. I can see her doing all the stuff that baby Tyler does for and to Barney! Pulling on the cat's tail and the cat patiently putting up with it, kissing the cat(s), feeding the cat(s) human baby food through the playpen or deliberately dropping it onto the floor from the highchair, playing like a cat and of course she will probably prefer the cat's toys over her own! I can even see the cats willing giving up their toys so that they can have hers in exchange! LOL! Which of course they will most likely destroy on impact! I can even see myself (or my husband) yelling the child's name, no and the cat's name, no as they conspire against me in some crazy antic that they KNOW is wrong. Like tipping over the kitchen trash-can together, the child letting the cat outside because the cat knows she will let him, or the cat deliberately dragging the very item to the child that I said she could NOT have! LOL. But yes I have to completely, without a doubt, agree that children raised with or around animals are happier babies they grow into even happier children. Children raised around animals learn at an early age not to abuse them, they eventually learn to love (or at the very least accept) animals and having fur-kids interacting with human kids helps aid the child's hand-eye movement and motor skills. Personally, I think kids who are raised around animals are smarter and develop faster then children who are not. Although there is not a veterinarian currently within our family, we also have hopes for our daughter choosing a career path in veterinary medicine. I have ALWAYS wanted to be a veterinarian, but when I got involved in rescue work, I just did not have the time and energy for both. Eventually, I had to chose. Since I could save lived now in the present, that is the choice I made. I may not be a practicing State Board licensed veterinarian, but I have enough knowledge and experience to help assist the veterinarians that I DO know and have been blessed with veterinarians who are willing to work with me. I want my daughter to pick up where I left off. Thank you SO much for sharing! Lora --- catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Congratulations from me as well! My sister went through her first pregnancy at 41 a little over a year ago. lol. They had 3 cats and 3 dogs at the time. (Well they still do!) She had her husband clean the litters, but other than that there have been no real issues. I hope it is the same for you. Her 'trouble boy' cat did scratch the baby bed as soon as we got it put up! (But we hid it from her husband.) lol. They did decide to keep the baby's room closed off from the cats at the beginning. If my sister or her husband were
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I have a question. Well, it is more of looking for some personal advice on an issue. I have been off and on the FeLVtalk list for three (3) years now, but ever since the Massive Spraying issue back in 12-14-04 I very rarely receive responses from my posts. It is almost as if me and the group have had a falling out. Before I get started and for clarification purposes, this post is NOT what you may think that it is. No flames please! For those that do not know me, I am a cat-mom who is happily loved by thirteen (13) adorable kitties, ten (10) in which are strictly indoors cats only. Currently all of my kids are FeLV negative. The kitties are not the only fur-kids that we have adopted. Our house is a multi-animal home. Me and my husband have two (2) dogs, a small ten (10) gallon freshwater tank, a horse and twenty-five (25) sugar gliders. (We do sugar glider rescue work as well as feline rescue work.) ALL of my kids have been rescues via straight off of the street, animal control or human societies. I DO NOT BREED. All of my fur-kids have been spayed and/or neutered (including the exotics) at four (4) months of age. We live on six (6) acres of country land. Okay, with all of the red-tape out of the way. The reason for this post is because this particular topic has come up often in the past and I need some honest and straightforward advice. Me and my husband are expecting with our first child. I am currently six (6) months pregnant and sacrificing any of the fur-kids for our human child is completely OUT OF THE QUESTION. We are NOT going to lose ANY member of our family due to this pregnancy. However, me and my husband are completely aware that the baby will inevitably change the balance of our home's environment and/or atmosphere. Therefore, we are in need of ideas to help the kids through a smooth and safe transition i.e. playing a tape/CD that has baby cries on it so that the fur-kids can become accustomed to the sound, allowing the kids access to the baby's room so that they become familiar with the baby's smell, etc. Spraying, inappropriate elimination, territorial aggression, jealousy, rejection and avoidance are normal responses to ANY new arrival and/or addition; therefore, me and my husband expect and accept these types of behavioral outbursts. I just did not know if anyone here on the list has ever continued their rescue work while pregnant. If so, how did the transition workout for you? Did your fur-kids eventually come around to accepting the new baby or do they just call a truce? Again, this post is not intended to instigate ANY kind of argument! Just looking for some helpful and honest advice from those of you who have experience in this department. Thanks! Lora __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: Pregnant Rescue Work
Lora, I think I remember you. Wow that's a tough personal choice. Be extra careful with litter boxes toxo is deadly to a growing baby. no flaming why would anyone flame you? If you asked me when I was in my 20's having my kids I would say no sweat... now my best recommendation is take in a lot fewer pets incase something goes wrong and you have to lets say go on bed rest. I have one foster who does moms with litters...she is in her 6th month and needs to slow down...so she is cutting back to one or two pups instead of large dogs with large litters. If you need to talk been there done that had belinda make the tee shirtLOL email me we will talk
