Re: kittens have diarrhea
coccidia also has a distinctly 'foul' smell... Jennifer Phaewryn O'Gwynn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How does the poo smell (fouler than usual diarrhea)? Is it greenish at all? Is it a pattie-like consistency, similar to cow patties? Trich is usually greenish cow pattie like poo with a TERRIBLE smell, very odorific. Phaewryn Don't Lose Your Pet! Register at AWOLpet.com: http://AWOLPet.com (use referral code: LittleCheetah) Whitey's Story: http://ucat.us/Whitey.html 12/24/06 Whitey Pictures: http://ucat.us/Whitey/WhiteyNewPics.html Whitey Models on Ebay: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=140070302069
kittens have diarrhea
The three kittens I am fostering, whose mom tested a faint positive 12/24, have ongoing diarrhea. They have received Albon and Metronidazole but the diarrhea (liquid) continues. They are eating Purina One kitten chow, plus quite a mix of what is available around the house (Science Diet adult, Innova Adult, and Purina DM). This is not optimal for controlling intestinal issues, but again, I don't want to lock them up. Other than the diarrhea they are a normal and lively lot. Of course since they have possible exposure to FeLV I am fretting that the diarrhea is indicative of something sinister. How should I proceed? Back to the vet, or hope it works itself out? What is the likelihood FeLV is the base culprit? thanks, Lynette =^..^= The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be measured by the way in which its animals are treated. --Mahatma Gandhi, 1869-1948
Re: kittens have diarrhea
How long have they been on Albon and metronidazole? And how old are they? Good appetites, playful? Kittens often have diarrhea. I wouldn't be too worried at this point. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The three kittens I am fostering, whose mom tested a faint positive 12/24, have ongoing diarrhea. They have received Albon and Metronidazole but the diarrhea (liquid) continues. They are eating Purina One kitten chow, plus quite a mix of what is available around the house (Science Diet adult, Innova Adult, and Purina DM). This is not optimal for controlling intestinal issues, but again, I don't want to lock them up. Other than the diarrhea they are a normal and lively lot. Of course since they have possible exposure to FeLV I am fretting that the diarrhea is indicative of something sinister. How should I proceed? Back to the vet, or hope it works itself out? What is the likelihood FeLV is the base culprit? thanks, Lynette =^..^= The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be measured by the way in which its animals are treated. --Mahatma Gandhi, 1869-1948
Re: kittens have diarrhea
Try Apple Pectin and/or Metamucil in small amounts. Also try probiotics/yogurt with active ingredients. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, January 01, 2007 2:17 PM Subject: kittens have diarrhea The three kittens I am fostering, whose mom tested a faint positive 12/24, have ongoing diarrhea. They have received Albon and Metronidazole but the diarrhea (liquid) continues. They are eating Purina One kitten chow, plus quite a mix of what is available around the house (Science Diet adult, Innova Adult, and Purina DM). This is not optimal for controlling intestinal issues, but again, I don't want to lock them up. Other than the diarrhea they are a normal and lively lot. Of course since they have possible exposure to FeLV I am fretting that the diarrhea is indicative of something sinister. How should I proceed? Back to the vet, or hope it works itself out? What is the likelihood FeLV is the base culprit? thanks, Lynette =^..^= The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be measured by the way in which its animals are treated. --Mahatma Gandhi, 1869-1948
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FELV doesn't usually cause diarrhea (not in itself, though I believe lymphoma can, and FELV does cause lymphoma). However, bad food is the #1 cause. Purina is crap, throw it away, feed it to the raccoons, just get rid of it. Feed a high quality kitten food, like Innova, Wellness, or Chicken Soup brands. Read labels, does you food contain corn? If so, there's your diarrhea. Even quite a few premium brands still contain corn, so it's VITAL that you read the label for ingredients. Phaewryn Don't Lose Your Pet! Register at AWOLpet.com: http://AWOLPet.com (use referral code: LittleCheetah) Whitey's Story: http://ucat.us/Whitey.html 12/24/06 Whitey Pictures: http://ucat.us/Whitey/WhiteyNewPics.html Whitey Models on Ebay: http://cgi.ebay.com/Cleos-Catnip-ORGANIC-2-ounces-cat-nip-KITTY-YUMMY_W0QQitemZ140067996154QQihZ004QQ
Re: kittens have diarrhea
My first impulse is to not suspect felv. It would be highly unusual for them all, esp at the same time, to display the same symptom, (diarrhea) as an indication of felv compromising their immune systems. It is much more likely a product of immature gi's dealing with your smorgasborg feeding stations :). I would contact the vet if I were you to have their stool tested for parasites, (including giardia and coccidia). [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The three kittens I am fostering, whose mom tested a faint positive 12/24, have ongoing diarrhea. They have received Albon and Metronidazole but the diarrhea (liquid) continues. They are eating Purina One kitten chow, plus quite a mix of what is available around the house (Science Diet adult, Innova Adult, and Purina DM). This is not optimal for controlling intestinal issues, but again, I don't want to lock them up. Other than the diarrhea they are a normal and lively lot. Of course since they have possible exposure to FeLV I am fretting that the diarrhea is indicative of something sinister. How should I proceed? Back to the vet, or hope it works itself out? What is the likelihood FeLV is the base culprit? thanks, Lynette =^..^= The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be measured by the way in which its animals are treated. --Mahatma Gandhi, 1869-1948
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I got to doing some digging, and came upwith this... Purina ONE feline growth ingredients: Chicken, chicken by-product meal, soy flour, corn gluten meal, brewers rice, beef tallow preserved with mix d-tocopherols (source of Vitamin E), corn meal, fish meal, poultry by-product meal, natural flavors, wheat gluten, phosphoric acid, salt, brewers dried yeast, potassium chloride, choline chloride, taurine, vitamin supplements (E, A, B-12, D-3), zinc sulfate, ferrous sulfate, riboflavin supplement, dl-methionine, niacin, calcium pantothenate, manganese sulfate, biotin, thiamine mononitrate, folic acid, copper sulfate, pyridoxine hydrochloride, citric acid, menadione sodium bisulfite complex (source of Vitamin K activity), calcium iodate, sodium selenite. Purina Kitten Chow (Nurturing Formula): Poultry by-product meal, Brewers rice, Corn gluten meal, Soy flour, Animal fat preserved with mixed-tocopherols (form of Vitamin E), Fish meal, Wheat flour, Brewers dried yeast, Phosphoric acid, Animal digest, Tetra sodium pyrophosphate, Calcium carbonate, Salt, Potassium chloride, Choline chloride, Taurine, Zinc sulfate, Ferrous sulfate, Vitamin E supplement, Manganese sulfate, Niacin, Vitamin A supplement, Calcium pantothenate, Thiamine mononitrate, Copper sulfate, Riboflavin supplement, Vitamin B-12 supplement, Pyridoxine hydrochloride, Folic acid, Vitamin D-3 supplement, Calcium iodate, Biotin, Menadione sodium bisulfite complex (source of Vitamin K activity), Sodium selenite. I advise staying away from corn and wheat in cat foods, corn because cat's don't digest it well, and wheat because it's a huge cause of food allergies. Here's a link to go look at other cat and kitten food choices and ingredients: http://www.petfooddirect.com/store/brands4dept.asp?dept%5Fid=5mscssid=AMP9W4QD50BU8PD334JJWQ8QJC9X0R89 Here's some I suggest: Innova Evo Cat and Kitten: Turkey, Chicken, Chicken Meal, Herring Meal, Potatoes, Chicken Fat, Egg, Turkey Meal, Natural Flavors, Apples, Carrots, Tomatoes, Cottage Cheese, Dried Chicory Root, Taurine, Herring Oil, Rosemary Extract, Vitamins/Minerals, Viable Naturally Occurring Microorganisms Wellness Super5Mix Kitten: Deboned Chicken, Chicken Meal, Chicken Liver, Ground Brown Rice, Ground Whole Oats, Canola Oil (Preserved With Mixed Tocopherols Rosemary), Cranberries, Blueberries, Flax Seed, Eggs, Peas, Taurine, Garlic, Alfalfa Leaf, Spirulina, Norwegian Kelp, Whole Apples, Zucchini, Sweet Potatoes, Yucca Schidigera, Chondroitin Sulfate, Glucosamine, Pro-Biotics (Lactobacillus Plantarum, Enterococcus Faecium, Lactobacillus Casei, Lactobacillus Acidophilus), Pre-Biotics (Mannanoligosaccharides), Beta-Carotene, Choline Chloride, Calcium Carbonate, Zinc Proteinate (A Chelated Source Of Zinc), Vitamin E Supplement, Zinc Oxide, Ferrous Sulfate, Iron Proteinate (A Chelated Source Of Iron), Manganese Proteinate (A Chelated Source Of Manganese), Calcium Pantothenate, Niacin Supplement, Sodium Selenite, Vitamin A Acetate, Folic Acid, Cobalt Proteinate (A Chelated Source Of Cobalt), Copper Sulfate, Cobalt Carbonate, Riboflavin Supplement (Vitamin B-2), Copper Proteinate (A Chelated Source Of Copper), Thiamine Mononitrate (Vitamin B-1), Vitamin D-3 Supplement, Calcium Iodate, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride, Menadione Sodium Bisulfite Complex (Source Of Vitamin K Activity). Other than improving your food... I'd get a inpouch tritrichomonsis test done. Phaewryn Don't Lose Your Pet! Register at AWOLpet.com: http://AWOLPet.com (use referral code: LittleCheetah) Whitey's Story: http://ucat.us/Whitey.html 12/24/06 Whitey Pictures: http://ucat.us/Whitey/WhiteyNewPics.html Whitey Models on Ebay: http://cgi.ebay.com/Cleos-Catnip-ORGANIC-2-ounces-cat-nip-KITTY-YUMMY_W0QQitemZ140067996154QQihZ004QQ
Re: kittens have diarrhea
I would try just evo, and if it continues, I would ask the vet to try a week course of metronidazole (flagyl) to clear up whatever is causing it. Michelle
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oops-- sorry, I had not read the original post. I see they are already on metronidazole. Yes, then I would focus on diet. Michelle
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if diet does not fix it, I would get a fecal test sent out. Some parasites and other things need specific treatment. Michelle
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Keep in mind that a lot of times giardia does not show up on fecal. How long have they been on metronidazole? Have they been dewormed, preferably with Drontal? [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: if diet does not fix it, I would get a fecal test sent out. Some parasites and other things need specific treatment. Michelle
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Try Apple Pectin and/or Metamucil in small amounts. Also try probiotics/yogurt with active ingredients. We are using Purina veterinary diets fortiflora mixed into IVD/Royal Canin limited ingredient wet food at night. I don't know whether to continue this, with the stop the smorgasboard plan in effect, but it's certainly in the probiotic concept. Lynette
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Keep in mind that a lot of times giardia does not show up on fecal. How long have they been on metronidazole? Have they been dewormed, preferably with D rontal? They were on met for 10 days (off now). They've been dewormed twice with Drontal. Lynette
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You cannot add too many probiotics. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, January 01, 2007 5:50 PM Subject: Re: kittens have diarrhea Try Apple Pectin and/or Metamucil in small amounts. Also try probiotics/yogurt with active ingredients. We are using Purina veterinary diets fortiflora mixed into IVD/Royal Canin limited ingredient wet food at night. I don't know whether to continue this, with the stop the smorgasboard plan in effect, but it's certainly in the probiotic concept. Lynette
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probiotics are good, no matter what you feed, I would continue to add the probiotics! I'm currently using the Purina fortiflora packs myself, as my vet sent my cat home from the hospital with an opened box, and I think it's a good product, he seems improved already. Normally I wouldn't buy anything made by Purina, but this product seems to be a good one. The fact is, most likely Purina buys this in bulk from someone else that makes it and just re-packages it in those little single packs in a box and marks it up like 200% and calls it their own, anyways. :-) Phaewryn Don't Lose Your Pet! Register at AWOLpet.com: http://AWOLPet.com (use referral code: LittleCheetah) Whitey's Story: http://ucat.us/Whitey.html 12/24/06 Whitey Pictures: http://ucat.us/Whitey/WhiteyNewPics.html Whitey Models on Ebay: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=140070302069
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How does the poo smell (fouler than usual diarrhea)? Is it greenish at all? Is it a pattie-like consistency, similar to cow patties? Trich is usually greenish cow pattie like poo with a TERRIBLE smell, very odorific. Phaewryn Don't Lose Your Pet! Register at AWOLpet.com: http://AWOLPet.com (use referral code: LittleCheetah) Whitey's Story: http://ucat.us/Whitey.html 12/24/06 Whitey Pictures: http://ucat.us/Whitey/WhiteyNewPics.html Whitey Models on Ebay: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=140070302069
Re: kittens have diarrhea
How does the poo smell (fouler than usual diarrhea)? Is it greenish at all? I s it a pattie-like consistency, similar to cow patties? Trich is usually greenish co w pattie like poo with a TERRIBLE smell, very odorific. It's quite odorific. However, it is brown, not green. Just darker than tan? Basically, they rot. It's 50/50 when they hop in your lap if the smell is tolerable. My adults are grooming them, but not a lot yet. Lynette
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so it's light in color? It could still be trich though, even if it's not the right color, I would do the testing and see what comes up. Maybe take in a mixed poo sample from the box, a dab from each kitten. How long ago were they weaned? I missed their age I think? Is it patty-like, it holds it's form kind of in a puddle in the box, not real liquidy? Does it stick to the bottom of the box, like clay? I would add more fiber to their diet, which is the opposite of feeding the low-residue food. It may get worse before it gets better that way though. The concept behind the low residue food is that there's less to poo so it makes for less diarrhea. Where the idea of adding more fiber works by absorbing some of the liquid, and makes poo more solid (but it makes more poo). Evo is low residue too though, so you'd have to add a secondary fiber source. Pumpkin, or a fiber supplement for humans (just make sure there's no chemicals and it's JUST fiber, I'm not sure of cat safe OTC fiber drugs), or Feline Missing Link, that's high fiber too. Phaewryn Don't Lose Your Pet! Register at AWOLpet.com: http://AWOLPet.com (use referral code: LittleCheetah) Whitey's Story: http://ucat.us/Whitey.html 12/24/06 Whitey Pictures: http://ucat.us/Whitey/WhiteyNewPics.html Whitey Models on Ebay: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=140070302069