Re: OT:FIV false positive?

2005-03-29 Thread gg
Hi Hideyo, This particular study was on NATURALLY infected cats (no IP infections - Yuk) Kind regards, Glenda Our FeLV/FIV kitties other stuff: http://community.webshots.com/user/sicky_icicle - Original Message - From: Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] To:

Re: OT:FIV false positive?

2005-03-29 Thread gg
Hi MC, Whenever I see something of interest, I use CISTI which allows you full access to the "neverending" research on whatever one wishes. The study that I recall that I ordered a few years agothat confirmed non-aggressive transmission (other than "paw flailing" at their feeding station)

Re: OT:FIV false positive?

2005-03-29 Thread catatonya
I don't know but I know 2 vets who mix fiv cats in their own homes with negatives. tonyagg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi MC, Whenever I see something of interest, I use CISTI which allows you full access to the "neverending" research on whatever one wishes. The study that I recall that

Re: OT:FIV false positive?

2005-03-29 Thread Gloria B. Lane
Yo Glenda - Very interesting! Would be interested to see a breakdown of the cats and infections. In other words, which cats were infected with what, and then which came down with what? Were there any normal non infected cats to start out with? Or just cats with viruses already. Also, i've

CISTI

2005-03-29 Thread Gloria B. Lane
OK - I found CISTI at http://cat.cisti.nrc.ca/ - Yeaa! Found an article on bovine lactoferrin for Herpes cats. Gloria Hi MC, Whenever I see something of interest, I use CISTI which allows you full access to the neverending research on whatever one wishes. The study that I recall that I ordered a

Re: CISTI

2005-03-29 Thread Belinda Sauro
Bailey (and the rest of the furkids) are getting the bovine lactoferrin, have been for a while. I'mn going to start making their food very soon, I finally got all of the vitamins, minerals, and other things that have to go into it. Hope to start this week sometime. -- Belinda Happiness is

RE: OT:FIV false positive?

2005-03-29 Thread Chris
I have a couple of questions/thoughts on this First, no mention of anyone vaccinated, no indication of cats ages, etc. Also, given the shortcomings of initial testing (virus may be hidden), I would think it would be hard to tell with absolute certainty who had what when! I was also

RE: OT:FIV false positive?

2005-03-29 Thread Chris
Just for my own info if you con't mind--so FIV cats are really at less risk from virus than FELV cats? Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gloria B. Lane Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2005 1:13 PM To:

RE: OT:FIV false positive?

2005-03-29 Thread Gloria B. Lane
Right - the FIV cats are at less risk, and considered less contagious. It's considered to be only contagious thru deep bite wounds, so the study mentioned is interesting. Gloria At 12:15 PM 3/29/2005, you wrote: Just for my own info if you con't mind--so FIV cats are really at less risk from

RE: OT:FIV false positive?

2005-03-29 Thread Chris
Well, just my own simplistic attitude about this whole thing--viruses are strange little things in humans animals. The science is just now catching up with the 'life cycle' of viruses and more more we hear about viruses that we all carry than can sort of be activated by a variety of

Re: OT:FIV false positive? LONG answer!

2005-03-29 Thread TenHouseCats
oh, heavens, yes, chris--not only that, but to a great degree, all FIV really seems to do is make cats big, lazy and couch-potatoes... seriously--from the experiences at the FIV/FeLV sanctuary, the HEALTHIEST population--including the owner-surrenders, strays and ferals, were the FIVs. three

OT: Find the Pit Bull [Interesting and Scary]

2005-03-29 Thread Belinda Sauro
This is an interesting test that I failed miserably, it's scary to think how dogs are wrongly classified as this breed and are wrongly persecuted. - Take the test and see if you can pick out the pit bull out of this page of pictures. It's amazing how

Re: OT:FIV false positive?

2005-03-29 Thread Nina
Nine cats were initially FIV-positive and six more cats became infected during the course of the study, without evidence of having been bitten*. Thank you Glenda. I stand corrected. You may, quite literally, be a life saver. I guess this is why vets don't trust anecdotal reporting. Nina gg

Re: OT: Find the Pit Bull [Interesting and Scary]

2005-03-29 Thread jenmeyer
Oh, yeah...it's a shame that the bully breeds are taking the rap for very, very bad owners! We have two dogs, Lucy (a pit bull mix) and Oscar (a lab/retriever mix), both rescues...the funny thing is, they don't come any sweeter than Lucy...I trust her completely (even around the neighbor's

Re: OT: Find the Pit Bull [Interesting and Scary]

2005-03-29 Thread TatorBunz
Thanks Belinda! I have forwarded to other lists that I'm on. It is very interesting that many of these dogs are misread and end up being killed in the shelters. I can personally say that aboutthe infamousshelter in Everett, WA. They will euthanized anything that looksor resembles a Pit Bull.

Re: OT: Find the Pit Bull [Interesting and Scary]

2005-03-29 Thread Belinda Sauro
Tamara, I didn't mean pits were a problem dog, as you say it is the idiots that own them that are responsible for their behaviour. My sister too has pits and they are very sweet, big babies really. They get along fine with each other and her kitty, but then, they are trained and treated

RE: Find the Pit Bull [Interesting and Scary]

2005-03-29 Thread Chris
I wish more people would see this breed specific laws are just crazy. My parents had a small llasa-terrier mix(we think) who was the cutest thing on 4 feet but would nip at anyone whenever she felt like it! I have a friend who had a small dog who got more visitors standing on chairs

RE: OT:FIV false positive? LONG answer!

2005-03-29 Thread Hideyo Yamamoto
I have to agree with you wholeheartedly at all points!! I have three definite FIV boy cats - they are so healthy! I rescued all of them three or four years ago, and they are the chubbiest, and happiest cats of all. One developed Diabetes a couple of years ago, and I almost lost him after

Re: OT:FIV false positive? LONG answer!

2005-03-29 Thread catatonya
It IS strange, isn't it, how cool the fiv cats are! My fiv cat was just as you described. The MOST laid back, friendly, neat cat I've ever had. HUGE! Especially when I first rescued him and he wasn't neutered yet. (I don't know his age, but he was old and died of hepatic liver disease. We didn't

RE: Find the Pit Bull [Interesting and Scary]

2005-03-29 Thread catatonya
A friend of mine had a pit that the cats slept on. If she moved or tried to nudge them away he would say "Sally, let the cats sleep." And she would kind of moan and lay back down. lol. ttamara stickler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I wish more people would see thisÂ…

Re: OT:FIV false positive? LONG answer!

2005-03-29 Thread TenHouseCats
part of the problem is that we don't know anything about these guys' history BEFORE they come to us--even with young cats, we don't know what diseases/illnesses they've had before, what genetic problems they are carrying around etc. so it's hard to know which is their past and which is the