Re: [Felvtalk] Epogen and other RBC enhancing drugs....
It's not the same, Robert, and I am not sure it would work. The Epogen acts on the kidneys to secrete erythropoietin, which is a hormone that tells the bone marrow to produce more red cells. The problem, in my opinion, is that the FeLV infiltrates the red cell progenitor cells in the bone marrow and either kills them or takes them over so that they make viruses, not red cells. My hypothesis is that when the red cell production stops, it is because all the progenitor cells have been destroyed or taken over the by virus. Thus, giving Epogen probably won't be helpful, because the cells which normally respond to erythropoietin by creating more red cells, can no longer do so because the progenitor cells are damaged or dead and can no longer produce red cells. Winstrol is known to be good for osteoporosis. My hypothesis is that it strengthens the bone marrow by encouraging the growth of new cells in the bone marrow. That would explain how red cell production gets started back up again with the use of Winstrol. Amani -Original Message- From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of ROBERT CHAPEL Sent: September-18-16 5:22 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Cc: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Epogen and other RBC enhancing drugs Wondering if anyone in the group has any experience with Epogen or Procrit ( and other such RBC enhancing drugs typically used with Kidney Failure patients) It's appears to be quite a bit cheaper when used for veterinary purposes than human As the go to drug for anemia in Kidney patients it would stand to reason that it " should" work for Feline anemia.. There will not be the same resistance to using this as we encounter attempting to procure Winstrol.. On Sat, Sep 17, 2016 at 11:58 AM, felvtalk-requ...@felineleukemia.org wrote: > Send Felvtalk mailing list submissions to > felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > felvtalk-requ...@felineleukemia.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > felvtalk-ow...@felineleukemia.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Felvtalk digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > >1. Re: Bogey's First Month on Stanzolol (dlg...@windstream.net) >2. Re: No Mail (dlg...@windstream.net) >3. Re: non regenerative anaemia (Anna Summers) >4. Re: Bogey's First Month on Stanzolol (dlg...@windstream.net) > > > -- > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 21:32:11 -0500 > From: To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bogey's First Month on Stanzolol > Message-ID: <20160916223211.2JALI.9765.root@pamxwww10-z01> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > Last year I switched vets because mine was always out on a farm call > and I had to drive over 30 miles to St Louis to an emergency vet. > This new vet is there when I need her unless it is 2AM, and more > agreeable about trying new and different things. > > Ardy Robertson wrote: >> That is so frustrating. It would be nice if we could concentrate on >> getting our fur-babies better, and not have to battle vets who won't >> cooperate. >> Doxycycline is a necessary part of the treatment if you ask me :) >> >> >> One of my vets finally gave up and gave me the prescriptions that I >> wanted >> for Tigg. >> >> >> Ardy >> >> >> >> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf >> Of >> Sherri Godschalk >> Sent: Friday, September 16, 2016 1:22 PM >> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bogey's First Month on Stanzolol >> >> >> Amani, I did discuss my fears of stopping the Stanzolol but he told >> me >> basically that this is how we were going to do it. I also mentioned >> the >> doxycycline. Which I got just a shake of the head. I can't double up >> Bogeys >> meds because they only give me so much of it.until our next >> appointment >> actually. I'm not comfortable with trying to find another vet because >> the >> likelihood of them giving out Stanzolol is a turkey shoot. I feel a >> little >> helpless here. Hopefully she will continue to get a little better >> each time >> on what he is prescribing for her. Thanks for writing. >> >> >>
Re: [Felvtalk] Epogen and other RBC enhancing drugs....
I had personal with both. Since I did not respond it was stopped, then they started 2 units of blood following the procrit. It did not work either (they were giveing me Gymzar), so oncologist stopped it. I later went into spontaneous remission after 1 year. It has been 12 years now. Margo wrote: > I have used Aranesp (Darbepoetin) for a young cat with non-regenerative anemia in kidney crisis. It seems better tolerated by cats than Epogen, and is given less frequently. It isn't cheap, my little vial was $200, but she only actually needed three doses. Two of those were given while she was hospitalized, and 1 here. The vial would have been 10 doses for her, but she was tiny. She has maintained well(Knock On Wood)and will have bloodwork again in December, which is almost a year from onset. I don't know that it would be effective in non-kidney related anemia. HTH Margo -Original Message- >From: ROBERT CHAPEL >Sent: Sep 18, 2016 5:21 AM >To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >Cc: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Epogen and other RBC enhancing drugs > >Wondering if anyone in the group has any experience with Epogen or >Procrit ( and other such RBC enhancing drugs typically used with Kidney >Failure patients) It's appears to be quite a bit cheaper when used >for veterinary purposes than human As the go to drug for anemia in >Kidney patients it would stand to reason that it " should" work for >Feline anemia.. There will not be the same resistance to using >this as we encounter attempting to procure Winstrol.. > > >On Sat, Sep 17, 2016 at 11:58 AM, felvtalk-requ...@felineleukemia.org >wrote: > >> Send Felvtalk mailing list submissions to >> felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >> >> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org >> >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >> felvtalk-requ...@felineleukemia.org >> >> You can reach the person managing the list at >> felvtalk-ow...@felineleukemia.org >> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >> than "Re: Contents of Felvtalk digest..." >> >> >> Today's Topics: >> >>1. Re: Bogey's First Month on Stanzolol (dlg...@windstream.net) >>2. Re: No Mail (dlg...@windstream.net) >>3. Re: non regenerative anaemia (Anna Summers) >>4. Re: Bogey's First Month on Stanzolol (dlg...@windstream.net) >> >> >> -- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 21:32:11 -0500 >> From: To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bogey's First Month on Stanzolol >> Message-ID: <20160916223211.2JALI.9765.root@pamxwww10-z01> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 >> >> Last year I switched vets because mine was always out on a farm call >> and I had to drive over 30 miles to St Louis to an emergency vet. >> This new vet is there when I need her unless it is 2AM, and more >> agreeable about trying new and different things. >> >> Ardy Robertson wrote: >>> That is so frustrating. It would be nice if we could concentrate on >>> getting >>> our fur-babies better, and not have to battle vets who won't >>> cooperate. >>> Doxycycline is a necessary part of the treatment if you ask me :) >>> >>> >>> One of my vets finally gave up and gave me the prescriptions that I >>> wanted >>> for Tigg. >>> >>> >>> Ardy >>> >>> >>> >>> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf >>> Of >>> Sherri Godschalk >>> Sent: Friday, September 16, 2016 1:22 PM >>> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bogey's First Month on Stanzolol >>> >>> >>> Amani, I did discuss my fears of stopping the Stanzolol but he told >>> me >>> basically that this is how we were going to do it. I also mentioned >>> the >>> doxycycline. Which I got just a shake of the head. I can't double up >>> Bogeys >>> meds because they only give me so much of it.until our next >>> appointment >>> actually. I'm not comfortable with trying to find another vet because >>> the >>> likelihood of them giving out Stanzolol is a turkey shoot. I feel a >>> little >>&
Re: [Felvtalk] Epogen and other RBC enhancing drugs....
I have used Aranesp (Darbepoetin) for a young cat with non-regenerative anemia in kidney crisis. It seems better tolerated by cats than Epogen, and is given less frequently. It isn't cheap, my little vial was $200, but she only actually needed three doses. Two of those were given while she was hospitalized, and 1 here. The vial would have been 10 doses for her, but she was tiny. She has maintained well(Knock On Wood)and will have bloodwork again in December, which is almost a year from onset. I don't know that it would be effective in non-kidney related anemia. HTH Margo -Original Message- >From: ROBERT CHAPEL >Sent: Sep 18, 2016 5:21 AM >To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >Cc: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Epogen and other RBC enhancing drugs > >Wondering if anyone in the group has any experience with Epogen or >Procrit ( and other such RBC enhancing drugs typically used with Kidney >Failure patients) It's appears to be quite a bit cheaper when used >for veterinary purposes than human As the go to drug for anemia in >Kidney patients it would stand to reason that it " should" work for >Feline anemia.. There will not be the same resistance to using >this as we encounter attempting to procure Winstrol.. > > >On Sat, Sep 17, 2016 at 11:58 AM, felvtalk-requ...@felineleukemia.org >wrote: > >> Send Felvtalk mailing list submissions to >> felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >> >> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org >> >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >> felvtalk-requ...@felineleukemia.org >> >> You can reach the person managing the list at >> felvtalk-ow...@felineleukemia.org >> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >> than "Re: Contents of Felvtalk digest..." >> >> >> Today's Topics: >> >>1. Re: Bogey's First Month on Stanzolol (dlg...@windstream.net) >>2. Re: No Mail (dlg...@windstream.net) >>3. Re: non regenerative anaemia (Anna Summers) >>4. Re: Bogey's First Month on Stanzolol (dlg...@windstream.net) >> >> >> -- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 21:32:11 -0500 >> From: To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bogey's First Month on Stanzolol >> Message-ID: <20160916223211.2JALI.9765.root@pamxwww10-z01> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 >> >> Last year I switched vets because mine was always out on a farm call >> and I had to drive over 30 miles to St Louis to an emergency vet. >> This new vet is there when I need her unless it is 2AM, and more >> agreeable about trying new and different things. >> >> Ardy Robertson wrote: >>> That is so frustrating. It would be nice if we could concentrate on >>> getting >>> our fur-babies better, and not have to battle vets who won't >>> cooperate. >>> Doxycycline is a necessary part of the treatment if you ask me :) >>> >>> >>> One of my vets finally gave up and gave me the prescriptions that I >>> wanted >>> for Tigg. >>> >>> >>> Ardy >>> >>> >>> >>> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf >>> Of >>> Sherri Godschalk >>> Sent: Friday, September 16, 2016 1:22 PM >>> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bogey's First Month on Stanzolol >>> >>> >>> Amani, I did discuss my fears of stopping the Stanzolol but he told >>> me >>> basically that this is how we were going to do it. I also mentioned >>> the >>> doxycycline. Which I got just a shake of the head. I can't double up >>> Bogeys >>> meds because they only give me so much of it.until our next >>> appointment >>> actually. I'm not comfortable with trying to find another vet because >>> the >>> likelihood of them giving out Stanzolol is a turkey shoot. I feel a >>> little >>> helpless here. Hopefully she will continue to get a little better >>> each time >>> on what he is prescribing for her. Thanks for writing. >>> >>> >>> From: Felvtalk > >>> Reply-To: >>>> >>> Date: Friday, September 16, 2016 at 12:26
Re: [Felvtalk] Epogen and other RBC enhancing drugs....
Wondering if anyone in the group has any experience with Epogen or Procrit ( and other such RBC enhancing drugs typically used with Kidney Failure patients) It's appears to be quite a bit cheaper when used for veterinary purposes than human As the go to drug for anemia in Kidney patients it would stand to reason that it " should" work for Feline anemia.. There will not be the same resistance to using this as we encounter attempting to procure Winstrol.. On Sat, Sep 17, 2016 at 11:58 AM, felvtalk-requ...@felineleukemia.org wrote: Send Felvtalk mailing list submissions to felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to felvtalk-requ...@felineleukemia.org You can reach the person managing the list at felvtalk-ow...@felineleukemia.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Felvtalk digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Bogey's First Month on Stanzolol (dlg...@windstream.net) 2. Re: No Mail (dlg...@windstream.net) 3. Re: non regenerative anaemia (Anna Summers) 4. Re: Bogey's First Month on Stanzolol (dlg...@windstream.net) -- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 21:32:11 -0500 From: To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bogey's First Month on Stanzolol Message-ID: <20160916223211.2JALI.9765.root@pamxwww10-z01> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Last year I switched vets because mine was always out on a farm call and I had to drive over 30 miles to St Louis to an emergency vet. This new vet is there when I need her unless it is 2AM, and more agreeable about trying new and different things. Ardy Robertson wrote: That is so frustrating. It would be nice if we could concentrate on getting our fur-babies better, and not have to battle vets who won't cooperate. Doxycycline is a necessary part of the treatment if you ask me :) One of my vets finally gave up and gave me the prescriptions that I wanted for Tigg. Ardy From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Sherri Godschalk Sent: Friday, September 16, 2016 1:22 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bogey's First Month on Stanzolol Amani, I did discuss my fears of stopping the Stanzolol but he told me basically that this is how we were going to do it. I also mentioned the doxycycline. Which I got just a shake of the head. I can't double up Bogeys meds because they only give me so much of it.until our next appointment actually. I'm not comfortable with trying to find another vet because the likelihood of them giving out Stanzolol is a turkey shoot. I feel a little helpless here. Hopefully she will continue to get a little better each time on what he is prescribing for her. Thanks for writing. From: Felvtalk > Reply-To: Date: Friday, September 16, 2016 at 12:26 PM To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org " Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bogey's First Month on Stanzolol Sorry - I was looking at the wrong thing when I mentioned the lymphocytes. I was actually noticing the MCHC going up (mean cell haemoglobin concentration) which is also a good thing. They lymphocytes have gone up, not down, and emphasizes the need for the doxycycline in my opinion. Amani From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Sherri Godschalk Sent: September-16-16 12:21 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Bogey's First Month on Stanzolol Well we got good news at the vets office today. Not great but good. Bogey was on Pred and Stanzolol for 14 days. The vet then wanted her off (Stanzolol) for 14 days then back on to cycle her on it. Bogey then went into heat on the 5th off day so I called the vet 4 days into her heat because it seemed to be very hard on her. He had me go right back on the Stanzolol and her heat ended the next day. So what we had was 2 weeks on, 10 days off and been back on it now for 7 days. Her are her results from 9/16 and the ones from 8/24. 9/16 8/24 RBC 2.57 2.43 HCT 15.3 15.3 HGB 5.5 5.3 MCV59.1 62.6 MCH21.4 21.8 MCHC 36.2 34.9 RDW23.7 23.9 RETIC 78.1 61.5 WBC14.47 13.46 NEU 4.07 4.03 LYM8.83 7.75 MONO1.52 1.
