Re: [Felvtalk] Fwd: caboodle ranch - other side of the story links

2012-03-11 Thread Marcia
Amen!!!

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On Mar 10, 2012, at 1:36 PM, dlg...@windstream.net wrote:

 PS  Those who dump animals should never be allowed to hve another animal.  
 There should be a list circlated nationwide for humane societies and rescues. 
  As for thosewho dump children or abuse them, they should be spayed or 
 neutered so they can never have another child to  inflict pain and suffering 
 on.
 
  dlg...@windstream.net wrote: 
 You mention people abuser.  I was told by an investigator for the humane 
 society that wen he is called to ivestigate animal abus, 9 times out of 10 
 he also reports child buse.  I AM NOT SAYING GRANT IS THAT, BUT PEOPLE WHO 
 DUMP THEIR ANIMALS WULD FIT INTO THAT CATAGORY.  THEY HAD A CHILD BUT NOW 
 IT IS TOO MUCH TROUBLE SO THEY ABUSE AND EVEN DUMP THEM ON THE ROADSIDE OR 
 SEND THEM TO GREYHOUND BUS TERMINAL WTH A NOTE SAYING THEY CAN NO LONGER 
 COPE WITH THE CHILD, PLEASE SEND TO BAPTIST CHILDREN'SHOME.  I just wish I 
 could also adopt the abused, unwanted children and give them a good home 
 with lots of cats and dogs to teach them the meaning of love.  Then all 
 could learn to love and be loved and be happy.  THAT IS MY SERMON FOR THE 
 DAY.
 
 
  Marta Gasper marta.gas...@yahoo.com wrote: 
 Amen, I agree 100%. It's time for the dumpers, who are virtually 
 invisible, to start paying the piperwho are virtually invisible, to start 
 paying the piper.
  
 Amen two..there should be a way to catch them, and if possible then once that 
 dumping is stopped lets see how many true hoarders_and there are_ remain.
 Justice would be served that way. But it is not possible, somebody should 
 invent a device to catch them..or something. We can just preach for now 
 **don't dump, you are not only putting your pet(or your foundling)life in 
 jeopardy but are hurting the good person behind that fence. Right now you are 
 a peoples abuser even if you don't realize it and if you don't now you do. 
 People will go to jail and have their lives ruined b/c of your actions and 
 the cat/dog you left might even die.**
 Lets grab the dumper's conscience and hardwire with that statement so they 
 can hear it the rest of their lives..ppl walk away satisfied now the fur they 
 left will be taken care of and they found a good solution to their problem, 
 lets change that playback(and some of this people won't take the animal to a 
 Humane Society because it'll be put down..Yes it can happen, but know the 
 outcome from your dumping is not very different plus there's a persons 
 reputation and all the animals she tried so hard so to save at stake now 
 too..deal with it!!(I've seen that and it males so angry)
 Marta
  
  
  
 
  
 It's time for the dumpers, who are virtually invisible, to start paying the 
 piper. And the people who TRULY have good intentions to stop being persecuted.
 
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Fwd: caboodle ranch - other side of the story links

2012-03-10 Thread dlgegg
You mention people abuser.  I was told by an investigator for the humane 
society that wen he is called to ivestigate animal abus, 9 times out of 10 he 
also reports child buse.  I AM NOT SAYING GRANT IS THAT, BUT PEOPLE WHO DUMP 
THEIR ANIMALS WULD FIT INTO THAT CATAGORY.  THEY HAD A CHILD BUT NOW IT IS TOO 
MUCH TROUBLE SO THEY ABUSE AND EVEN DUMP THEM ON THE ROADSIDE OR SEND THEM TO 
GREYHOUND BUS TERMINAL WTH A NOTE SAYING THEY CAN NO LONGER COPE WITH THE 
CHILD, PLEASE SEND TO BAPTIST CHILDREN'SHOME.  I just wish I could also adopt 
the abused, unwanted children and give them a good home with lots of cats and 
dogs to teach them the meaning of love.  Then all could learn to love and be 
loved and be happy.  THAT IS MY SERMON FOR THE DAY.


 Marta Gasper marta.gas...@yahoo.com wrote: 
 Amen, I agree 100%. It's time for the dumpers, who are virtually invisible, 
 to start paying the piperwho are virtually invisible, to start paying the 
 piper.
 
Amen two..there should be a way to catch them, and if possible then once that 
dumping is stopped lets see how many true hoarders_and there are_ remain.
Justice would be served that way. But it is not possible, somebody should 
invent a device to catch them..or something. We can just preach for now **don't 
dump, you are not only putting your pet(or your foundling)life in jeopardy but 
are hurting the good person behind that fence. Right now you are a peoples 
abuser even if you don't realize it and if you don't now you do. People will go 
to jail and have their lives ruined b/c of your actions and the cat/dog you 
left might even die.**
Lets grab the dumper's conscience and hardwire with that statement so they can 
hear it the rest of their lives..ppl walk away satisfied now the fur they left 
will be taken care of and they found a good solution to their problem, lets 
change that playback(and some of this people won't take the animal to a Humane 
Society because it'll be put down..Yes it can happen, but know the outcome 
from your dumping is not very different plus there's a persons reputation and 
all the animals she tried so hard so to save at stake now too..deal with 
it!!(I've seen that and it males so angry)
Marta
 
 
 

 
It's time for the dumpers, who are virtually invisible, to start paying the 
piper. And the people who TRULY have good intentions to stop being persecuted.


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Re: [Felvtalk] Fwd: caboodle ranch - other side of the story links

2012-03-10 Thread dlgegg
PS  Those who dump animals should never be allowed to hve another animal.  
There should be a list circlated nationwide for humane societies and rescues.  
As for thosewho dump children or abuse them, they should be spayed or neutered 
so they can never have another child to  inflict pain and suffering on.

 dlg...@windstream.net wrote: 
 You mention people abuser.  I was told by an investigator for the humane 
 society that wen he is called to ivestigate animal abus, 9 times out of 10 he 
 also reports child buse.  I AM NOT SAYING GRANT IS THAT, BUT PEOPLE WHO 
 DUMP THEIR ANIMALS WULD FIT INTO THAT CATAGORY.  THEY HAD A CHILD BUT NOW 
 IT IS TOO MUCH TROUBLE SO THEY ABUSE AND EVEN DUMP THEM ON THE ROADSIDE OR 
 SEND THEM TO GREYHOUND BUS TERMINAL WTH A NOTE SAYING THEY CAN NO LONGER COPE 
 WITH THE CHILD, PLEASE SEND TO BAPTIST CHILDREN'SHOME.  I just wish I could 
 also adopt the abused, unwanted children and give them a good home with lots 
 of cats and dogs to teach them the meaning of love.  Then all could learn to 
 love and be loved and be happy.  THAT IS MY SERMON FOR THE DAY.


 Marta Gasper marta.gas...@yahoo.com wrote: 
 Amen, I agree 100%. It's time for the dumpers, who are virtually invisible, 
 to start paying the piperwho are virtually invisible, to start paying the 
 piper.
 
Amen two..there should be a way to catch them, and if possible then once that 
dumping is stopped lets see how many true hoarders_and there are_ remain.
Justice would be served that way. But it is not possible, somebody should 
invent a device to catch them..or something. We can just preach for now **don't 
dump, you are not only putting your pet(or your foundling)life in jeopardy but 
are hurting the good person behind that fence. Right now you are a peoples 
abuser even if you don't realize it and if you don't now you do. People will go 
to jail and have their lives ruined b/c of your actions and the cat/dog you 
left might even die.**
Lets grab the dumper's conscience and hardwire with that statement so they can 
hear it the rest of their lives..ppl walk away satisfied now the fur they left 
will be taken care of and they found a good solution to their problem, lets 
change that playback(and some of this people won't take the animal to a Humane 
Society because it'll be put down..Yes it can happen, but know the outcome 
from your dumping is not very different plus there's a persons reputation and 
all the animals she tried so hard so to save at stake now too..deal with 
it!!(I've seen that and it males so angry)
Marta
 
 
 

 
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piper. And the people who TRULY have good intentions to stop being persecuted.


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Re: [Felvtalk] Fwd: caboodle ranch - other side of the story links

2012-03-08 Thread Marta Gasper
Amen, I agree 100%. It's time for the dumpers, who are virtually invisible, 
to start paying the piperwho are virtually invisible, to start paying the 
piper.
 
Amen two..there should be a way to catch them, and if possible then once that 
dumping is stopped lets see how many true hoarders_and there are_ remain.
Justice would be served that way. But it is not possible, somebody should 
invent a device to catch them..or something. We can just preach for now **don't 
dump, you are not only putting your pet(or your foundling)life in jeopardy but 
are hurting the good person behind that fence. Right now you are a peoples 
abuser even if you don't realize it and if you don't now you do. People will go 
to jail and have their lives ruined b/c of your actions and the cat/dog you 
left might even die.**
Lets grab the dumper's conscience and hardwire with that statement so they can 
hear it the rest of their lives..ppl walk away satisfied now the fur they left 
will be taken care of and they found a good solution to their problem, lets 
change that playback(and some of this people won't take the animal to a Humane 
Society because it'll be put down..Yes it can happen, but know the outcome 
from your dumping is not very different plus there's a persons reputation and 
all the animals she tried so hard so to save at stake now too..deal with 
it!!(I've seen that and it males so angry)
Marta
 
 
 

 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Fwd: caboodle ranch - other side of the story links

2012-03-07 Thread katskat1
There are two sides - at least - to everything.

There was an article published by a gentleman nearby in Florida who
says he knew the Caboodle situation well, had visited often, had
helped when he could.  He said that many of the cats were simply
dumped there not dropped off with $150 but dumped cause the address
was known.  That they were in the (continual) process of vetting and
trying to identify cats that showed up that needed vetting and/or spay
neuter.

I think this guy was trying his best.  I think he may have been
vetting as he could but if people don't help, and continue to dump
their unwanted cats what do you do?

I don't know what is truly the case cause I never saw the place or met
the man but all indications are he had the animals best interest in
mind and did what he could til he drowned under the number of animals.

As for those who say he paid himself large amounts out of the money
donated to use for the cats, I don't see where $1000/month (or $12,000
a year) is a 'large amount' in anyone's book.  IF that is true as
reported.  And if he spend his time trying to do the best for the
cats, as a full time job it is legally allowed for him to take enuff
to pay electric, groceries, etc.  I was living on a very little over
that amount for almost 2 years and it is NOT a lot of money.

And I am VERY concerned PETA is involved.  They are butchers and I
will never have anything to do with them except disagree with them.
They kill animals and lie thru their teeth.

Anyway, right or wrong, I would like to hear it all before judging him
guilty.  I doubt he is 100% innocent or 100% guilty but as far as the
world is concerned he is already judged.  Not sure that is right.

K.

On 3/7/12, Heather furrygi...@gmail.com wrote:
  My bf and I take care of over 140 feral/homeless cats on the streets
 everyday (in over 20 different spots), 365 days a year for several years
 now, they are spayed and neutered/vaccinated, treated for illnesses as much
 as we are able (including going to far lengths both
 medically/financially--when not unkind given their temprament, some are
 friendly or close--and far lengths to trap them in drainpipes or wherever
 they might be if they are ill and difficult to trap).  We have treated
 colonies successfully for scabies both multiple cats at a time or
 individual ones, we have a friendly feral in our bathroom right now
 recovering (very well!) from liver disease.  We have brought in CRF cats to
 live out their lives, unblocked ferals and continued them healthfully with
 dietary management and supplements.

 I live in Florida where fortunately, weather is pretty easy on the cats--it
 is unfortunately also why there are so many feral cats down here, they can
 reproduce year round due to the climate, and, the climate of course doesn't
 control the population otherwise either.

 I have known about Caboodle Ranch since 2007, back when there were far
 fewer cats (150 or less I think) and many of my contacts went there with
 good reports.  It seemed to me in the last couple of years from the things
 I was hearing that there were problems.   Caboodle Ranch took in many feral
 cats from situations/rescuers in Florida who's colonies were otherwise
 facing death/extermination; they also took in many friendly pets from
 people who, for whatever reason, were no longer 'able' (or willing, my
 guess in most cases) to care for them.  To me, that would account for the
 400 who the ASPCA says (probably correct) were dying for attention and went
 right into carriers.

 I am not sticking up for Caboodle, nor the other side, but I would love for
 even some sort of a misdemeanor neglect/cruelty/stupidity charge to be
 brought on every person who dumped their friendly pet there, thinking that
 for $150, they were going to get the love, attention and medical care
 needed amongst hundreds of others that they themselves were apparently not
 either willing or able to provide to them on a one-on-one (or two or ten--I
 doutbt these people had 700 cats) basis.

 It sucks that we rescuers are dealing with such large volumes and many life
 and death choices.  Since the people on this group are people who chose
 life for FELV+ cats (which even some rescuers might not), I would hope that
 choosing to spay/neuter (TNR) and care for a feral cat for their life on
 the streets would be an act that is respected (there are people who believe
 that not euthanizing an FELV is cruel as well, unfortunately, or even
 believe it's wrong for them to take homes from healthy cats--an opinion
 that really bothers me). We are choosing life for these feral cats, making
 their lives better, and ensuring they do not contribute to the
 overpopulation problem. It is a lifetime commitment, some may not do a very
 good job at it just like some owners do not.  We are making the best of a
 bad situation, and actually doing something to fight the overpopulation
 problem that results not only in so many living on or being born on the
 streets, 

Re: [Felvtalk] Fwd: caboodle ranch - other side of the story links

2012-03-07 Thread dlgegg
$150.00 for life long care of a cat is not enough.  The place I have chosen for 
my babies requests $400.00 per year per catX the number of years you expect the 
cat to live.  This seams to be more in line consdering what I put out each year 
o my cats.  If anyone believes $15 total will spport the pet for life is either 
living in a dream world or just wants a quick, cheap way out of dealing with 
the cat.  I have 7 and have a life insurance policy set up to provide for them. 
 I see people who I don't tink should have children much less pets jusging by 
the way their children are cared for.  I knowI can care for (fiancially and 
physicaly) for the 7 I have and knowing that I a asucker for a cute fce, have 
asked my close friends and vet to talk to me when they see I am in danger of 
taking on more. If I wo the sweepstakes, I would collect as many unwanted pets 
and children and give them a secure home.  All petd would be spayed and 
neutered before anything else.  Then it would be their choice to stay with me 
in my home or return to the wild, but my experiene with ferals is that given a 
chance to learn to trust humans, they prefer to stay with their new caregivers. 
 What we have to do is educate humans to adopt a responsible attitude toward 
aimals.  God did make us stewards of the earth and all in it.  His intention 
was not for us to plunder and use the earth and its ihabitants for our own 
selfish deisres.  We have in the most part, failed.  Enough of my preaching for 
the day.  May everyone here have a happy future along with thei furbabies.
 Heather furrygi...@gmail.com wrote: 
  My bf and I take care of over 140 feral/homeless cats on the streets
 everyday (in over 20 different spots), 365 days a year for several years
 now, they are spayed and neutered/vaccinated, treated for illnesses as much
 as we are able (including going to far lengths both
 medically/financially--when not unkind given their temprament, some are
 friendly or close--and far lengths to trap them in drainpipes or wherever
 they might be if they are ill and difficult to trap).  We have treated
 colonies successfully for scabies both multiple cats at a time or
 individual ones, we have a friendly feral in our bathroom right now
 recovering (very well!) from liver disease.  We have brought in CRF cats to
 live out their lives, unblocked ferals and continued them healthfully with
 dietary management and supplements.
 
 I live in Florida where fortunately, weather is pretty easy on the cats--it
 is unfortunately also why there are so many feral cats down here, they can
 reproduce year round due to the climate, and, the climate of course doesn't
 control the population otherwise either.
 
 I have known about Caboodle Ranch since 2007, back when there were far
 fewer cats (150 or less I think) and many of my contacts went there with
 good reports.  It seemed to me in the last couple of years from the things
 I was hearing that there were problems.   Caboodle Ranch took in many feral
 cats from situations/rescuers in Florida who's colonies were otherwise
 facing death/extermination; they also took in many friendly pets from
 people who, for whatever reason, were no longer 'able' (or willing, my
 guess in most cases) to care for them.  To me, that would account for the
 400 who the ASPCA says (probably correct) were dying for attention and went
 right into carriers.
 
 I am not sticking up for Caboodle, nor the other side, but I would love for
 even some sort of a misdemeanor neglect/cruelty/stupidity charge to be
 brought on every person who dumped their friendly pet there, thinking that
 for $150, they were going to get the love, attention and medical care
 needed amongst hundreds of others that they themselves were apparently not
 either willing or able to provide to them on a one-on-one (or two or ten--I
 doutbt these people had 700 cats) basis.
 
 It sucks that we rescuers are dealing with such large volumes and many life
 and death choices.  Since the people on this group are people who chose
 life for FELV+ cats (which even some rescuers might not), I would hope that
 choosing to spay/neuter (TNR) and care for a feral cat for their life on
 the streets would be an act that is respected (there are people who believe
 that not euthanizing an FELV is cruel as well, unfortunately, or even
 believe it's wrong for them to take homes from healthy cats--an opinion
 that really bothers me). We are choosing life for these feral cats, making
 their lives better, and ensuring they do not contribute to the
 overpopulation problem. It is a lifetime commitment, some may not do a very
 good job at it just like some owners do not.  We are making the best of a
 bad situation, and actually doing something to fight the overpopulation
 problem that results not only in so many living on or being born on the
 streets, but then also ending up in shelters.  The way I see it you are
 either part of the problem or part of the solution.  Whether you 

Re: [Felvtalk] Fwd: caboodle ranch - other side of the story links

2012-03-07 Thread Marcia
Amen, I agree 100%. It's time for the dumpers, who are virtually invisible, to 
start paying the piper. And the people who TRULY have good intentions to stop 
being persecuted.

Take care everyone
Marcia

Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 7, 2012, at 9:22 PM, katskat1 katsk...@gmail.com wrote:

 There are two sides - at least - to everything.
 
 There was an article published by a gentleman nearby in Florida who
 says he knew the Caboodle situation well, had visited often, had
 helped when he could.  He said that many of the cats were simply
 dumped there not dropped off with $150 but dumped cause the address
 was known.  That they were in the (continual) process of vetting and
 trying to identify cats that showed up that needed vetting and/or spay
 neuter.
 
 I think this guy was trying his best.  I think he may have been
 vetting as he could but if people don't help, and continue to dump
 their unwanted cats what do you do?
 
 I don't know what is truly the case cause I never saw the place or met
 the man but all indications are he had the animals best interest in
 mind and did what he could til he drowned under the number of animals.
 
 As for those who say he paid himself large amounts out of the money
 donated to use for the cats, I don't see where $1000/month (or $12,000
 a year) is a 'large amount' in anyone's book.  IF that is true as
 reported.  And if he spend his time trying to do the best for the
 cats, as a full time job it is legally allowed for him to take enuff
 to pay electric, groceries, etc.  I was living on a very little over
 that amount for almost 2 years and it is NOT a lot of money.
 
 And I am VERY concerned PETA is involved.  They are butchers and I
 will never have anything to do with them except disagree with them.
 They kill animals and lie thru their teeth.
 
 Anyway, right or wrong, I would like to hear it all before judging him
 guilty.  I doubt he is 100% innocent or 100% guilty but as far as the
 world is concerned he is already judged.  Not sure that is right.
 
 K.
 
 On 3/7/12, Heather furrygi...@gmail.com wrote:
 My bf and I take care of over 140 feral/homeless cats on the streets
 everyday (in over 20 different spots), 365 days a year for several years
 now, they are spayed and neutered/vaccinated, treated for illnesses as much
 as we are able (including going to far lengths both
 medically/financially--when not unkind given their temprament, some are
 friendly or close--and far lengths to trap them in drainpipes or wherever
 they might be if they are ill and difficult to trap).  We have treated
 colonies successfully for scabies both multiple cats at a time or
 individual ones, we have a friendly feral in our bathroom right now
 recovering (very well!) from liver disease.  We have brought in CRF cats to
 live out their lives, unblocked ferals and continued them healthfully with
 dietary management and supplements.
 
 I live in Florida where fortunately, weather is pretty easy on the cats--it
 is unfortunately also why there are so many feral cats down here, they can
 reproduce year round due to the climate, and, the climate of course doesn't
 control the population otherwise either.
 
 I have known about Caboodle Ranch since 2007, back when there were far
 fewer cats (150 or less I think) and many of my contacts went there with
 good reports.  It seemed to me in the last couple of years from the things
 I was hearing that there were problems.   Caboodle Ranch took in many feral
 cats from situations/rescuers in Florida who's colonies were otherwise
 facing death/extermination; they also took in many friendly pets from
 people who, for whatever reason, were no longer 'able' (or willing, my
 guess in most cases) to care for them.  To me, that would account for the
 400 who the ASPCA says (probably correct) were dying for attention and went
 right into carriers.
 
 I am not sticking up for Caboodle, nor the other side, but I would love for
 even some sort of a misdemeanor neglect/cruelty/stupidity charge to be
 brought on every person who dumped their friendly pet there, thinking that
 for $150, they were going to get the love, attention and medical care
 needed amongst hundreds of others that they themselves were apparently not
 either willing or able to provide to them on a one-on-one (or two or ten--I
 doutbt these people had 700 cats) basis.
 
 It sucks that we rescuers are dealing with such large volumes and many life
 and death choices.  Since the people on this group are people who chose
 life for FELV+ cats (which even some rescuers might not), I would hope that
 choosing to spay/neuter (TNR) and care for a feral cat for their life on
 the streets would be an act that is respected (there are people who believe
 that not euthanizing an FELV is cruel as well, unfortunately, or even
 believe it's wrong for them to take homes from healthy cats--an opinion
 that really bothers me). We are choosing life for these feral cats, making
 their lives better, and ensuring they do