Amen, I agree 100%. It's time for the dumpers, who are virtually invisible, to 
start paying the piper. And the people who TRULY have good intentions to stop 
being persecuted.

Take care everyone
Marcia

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On Mar 7, 2012, at 9:22 PM, katskat1 <katsk...@gmail.com> wrote:

> There are two sides - at least - to everything.
> 
> There was an article published by a gentleman nearby in Florida who
> says he knew the Caboodle situation well, had visited often, had
> helped when he could.  He said that many of the cats were simply
> dumped there not dropped off with $150 but dumped cause the address
> was known.  That they were in the (continual) process of vetting and
> trying to identify cats that showed up that needed vetting and/or spay
> neuter.
> 
> I think this guy was trying his best.  I think he may have been
> vetting as he could but if people don't help, and continue to dump
> their unwanted cats what do you do?
> 
> I don't know what is truly the case cause I never saw the place or met
> the man but all indications are he had the animals best interest in
> mind and did what he could til he drowned under the number of animals.
> 
> As for those who say he paid himself large amounts out of the money
> donated to use for the cats, I don't see where $1000/month (or $12,000
> a year) is a 'large amount' in anyone's book.  IF that is true as
> reported.  And if he spend his time trying to do the best for the
> cats, as a full time job it is legally allowed for him to take enuff
> to pay electric, groceries, etc.  I was living on a very little over
> that amount for almost 2 years and it is NOT a lot of money.
> 
> And I am VERY concerned PETA is involved.  They are butchers and I
> will never have anything to do with them except disagree with them.
> They kill animals and lie thru their teeth.
> 
> Anyway, right or wrong, I would like to hear it all before judging him
> guilty.  I doubt he is 100% innocent or 100% guilty but as far as the
> world is concerned he is already judged.  Not sure that is right.
> 
> K.
> 
> On 3/7/12, Heather <furrygi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> My bf and I take care of over 140 feral/homeless cats on the streets
>> everyday (in over 20 different spots), 365 days a year for several years
>> now, they are spayed and neutered/vaccinated, treated for illnesses as much
>> as we are able (including going to far lengths both
>> medically/financially--when not unkind given their temprament, some are
>> friendly or close--and far lengths to trap them in drainpipes or wherever
>> they might be if they are ill and difficult to trap).  We have treated
>> colonies successfully for scabies both multiple cats at a time or
>> individual ones, we have a friendly feral in our bathroom right now
>> recovering (very well!) from liver disease.  We have brought in CRF cats to
>> live out their lives, unblocked ferals and continued them healthfully with
>> dietary management and supplements.
>> 
>> I live in Florida where fortunately, weather is pretty easy on the cats--it
>> is unfortunately also why there are so many feral cats down here, they can
>> reproduce year round due to the climate, and, the climate of course doesn't
>> "control" the population otherwise either.
>> 
>> I have known about Caboodle Ranch since 2007, back when there were far
>> fewer cats (150 or less I think) and many of my contacts went there with
>> good reports.  It seemed to me in the last couple of years from the things
>> I was hearing that there were problems.   Caboodle Ranch took in many feral
>> cats from situations/rescuers in Florida who's colonies were otherwise
>> facing death/extermination; they also took in many friendly pets from
>> people who, for whatever reason, were no longer 'able' (or willing, my
>> guess in most cases) to care for them.  To me, that would account for the
>> 400 who the ASPCA says (probably correct) were dying for attention and went
>> right into carriers.
>> 
>> I am not sticking up for Caboodle, nor the other side, but I would love for
>> even some sort of a misdemeanor neglect/cruelty/stupidity charge to be
>> brought on every person who dumped their friendly pet there, thinking that
>> for $150, they were going to get the love, attention and medical care
>> needed amongst hundreds of others that they themselves were apparently not
>> either willing or able to provide to them on a one-on-one (or two or ten--I
>> doutbt these people had 700 cats) basis.
>> 
>> It sucks that we rescuers are dealing with such large volumes and many life
>> and death choices.  Since the people on this group are people who chose
>> life for FELV+ cats (which even some rescuers might not), I would hope that
>> choosing to spay/neuter (TNR) and care for a feral cat for their life on
>> the streets would be an act that is respected (there are people who believe
>> that not euthanizing an FELV is cruel as well, unfortunately, or even
>> believe it's wrong for them to "take homes from healthy cats"--an opinion
>> that really bothers me). We are choosing life for these feral cats, making
>> their lives better, and ensuring they do not contribute to the
>> overpopulation problem. It is a lifetime commitment, some may not do a very
>> good job at it just like some owners do not.  We are making the best of a
>> bad situation, and actually doing something to fight the overpopulation
>> problem that results not only in so many living on or being born on the
>> streets, but then also ending up in shelters.  The way I see it you are
>> either part of the problem or part of the solution.  Whether you think
>> feral cats should live outdoors or not, spaying/neutering (TNR) serves to
>> reduce the number living on the streets.   Those practicing TNR are part of
>> the solution.   People who haul feral cats in to be killed at shelters, on
>> tax payer dollars, could instead be taking them to a spay/neuter clinic.
>> 
>> I have no idea what to make of the differing reports on Caboodle's status
>> in the time leading up to the raid, but I wish the people who dumped their
>> pets at a large scale sanctuary might have to justify their actions rather
>> than just shake their heads and say "but we gave him $150 and trusted
>> him".  It is sad for those who perhaps were dealing with serious illnesses
>> such as cancer, etc., but I'd be willing to bet a lot of those people were
>> just moving and not taking the cats with them.
>> 
>> 
>> 
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>>> *From:* felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:
>>> felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] *On Behalf Of *Marta Gasper
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 06, 2012 10:26 PM
>>> *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>>> *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] caboodle ranch - other side of the story links**
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>>> <<consider how many times TNR's put domestic cats back on the street if
>>> there were feeders? (I'm not one of them, but consider that, before
>>> condemning the guy.)>>****
>>> 
>>> ****
>>> 
>>> You mean the policy of returning cats to a feral colony if the colony has
>>> a feeder?..how that fits into this situation? TNR is for ferals not
>>> housecats.****
>>> 
>>> Though in some cases_such as mine I trap cats on the loose, ferals or not.
>>> If feral they go to a feral colony, if not I try to find owner, education
>>> goes so far, most people will want to keep the cat in/out but at least the
>>> cat is neutered now and won't be making more. If possible I take in the
>>> cat, list as found and if it is not claimed I put him up for
>>> adoption_taking in all tame cats is just not possible but I do try to
>>> bring
>>> in the declaweds and kittens._ I don't just abandon the cat out there, I
>>> make sure it has shelter and a feeder.****
>>> 
>>> I know very well this is considered cruel by a sector of the pop and
>>> that's ok, we all have a right to our opinion. ****
>>> 
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>>> 
>>> But I don't understand how this fits with Caboodle, you mean because he
>>> had all these cats roaming the property and they weren't taken care of? If
>>> so I would say that since he said Caboodle was a sanctuary that implies
>>> the
>>> cats are to be taken care of, if sick taken to a vet etc._Very different
>>> from a feral colony where the intentions are the same but  nobody wants a
>>> colony of sick cats and yet there are ferals that will die rather than
>>> walk
>>> in a trap; I know I had one of these. We tried for half a year to trap him
>>> and in his last months it was evident that he would have had to be
>>> euthanized. We just could not, and one day we found him dead. It happens
>>> often and makes caretakers feel awful.****
>>> 
>>> ****
>>> 
>>> A sanctuary OTOH is expected to treat each and every cat. A sanctuary is
>>> not just a place to leave a pet, walk away and forget all about it. That
>>> is
>>> why a person is expected to fund the cat care. Granted some of the cats
>>> could have been dumped at the place and no money to support them. But it
>>> wasn't the majority, and if CG couldn't afford them did he ask rescues to
>>> take them? I don't know that, I can't side with either story but just
>>> wanted to comment on that remark abt TNR and how it fit with the CR
>>> situation, I think it doesn't.****
>>> 
>>> Marta****
>>> 
>>> http://homelessnomore.webs.com/****
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