Re: [Felvtalk] Maggie & Molly

[Beth]

Yes, I foster for the largest  no-kill shelter in GA.

We have a whole house for FIV kitties. And they do get adopted :)

Beth

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 From: Lorrie 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Friday, February 1, 2013 9:04 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Maggie & Molly
 
Beth, I didn't realize you fostered FelV cats.  Thanks for helping
them. I wish more people would.

Maggie and Molly were from a litter of four FelV pos. kittens,
and the other two kittens still appear healthy and active, so I have
my hopes up.  I have two more FelV cats who are 5 years old, and 
show no signs of illness, so you are right, they don't always die,
and I could never PTS a healthy appearing FelV cat or kitten.

Lorrie

On 02-01, Beth wrote:
>    Yes, people ask me how I can foster FeLV cats. They say "but isn't that
>    heartbreaking?"
>    Yes, it is, but it's more heartbreaking to think of them not having a
>    life at all!
>    So thanks to all those who do it!
>    BTW I took in 2 siblings 2 yrs ago that were born with FeLV. One died a
>    year ago & the other is still going strong, so just because they are
>    from the same litter doesn't mean some won't live longer lives.
>    Beth
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Re: [Felvtalk] Maggie & Molly

[Lorrie]

Beth, I didn't realize you fostered FelV cats.  Thanks for helping
them. I wish more people would.

Maggie and Molly were from a litter of four FelV pos. kittens,
and the other two kittens still appear healthy and active, so I have
my hopes up.  I have two more FelV cats who are 5 years old, and 
show no signs of illness, so you are right, they don't always die,
and I could never PTS a healthy appearing FelV cat or kitten.

Lorrie

On 02-01, Beth wrote:
>Yes, people ask me how I can foster FeLV cats. They say "but isn't that
>heartbreaking?"
>Yes, it is, but it's more heartbreaking to think of them not having a
>life at all!
>So thanks to all those who do it!
>BTW I took in 2 siblings 2 yrs ago that were born with FeLV. One died a
>year ago & the other is still going strong, so just because they are
>from the same litter doesn't mean some won't live longer lives.
>Beth
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Re: [Felvtalk] Maggie & Molly

[Beth]

Yes, people ask me how I can foster FeLV cats. They say "but isn't that 
heartbreaking?"
Yes, it is, but it's more heartbreaking to think of them not having a life at 
all!
So thanks to all those who do it!

BTW I took in 2 siblings 2 yrs ago that were born with FeLV. One died a year 
ago & the other is still going strong, so just because they are from the same 
litter doesn't mean some won't live longer lives.

Beth 

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 From: Lorrie 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Friday, February 1, 2013 8:12 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Maggie & Molly
 
Thank you Beth. It is very hard, but I knew when I started this rescue
work and made a section of my building into a place for FelV cats I'd be 
in for a lot of heartache. However it is very heart warming to give these 
poor cats and kittens a few months of love and care.

Lorrie

On 01-31, Beth wrote:
>    I'm so sorry to hear of your loss, Lorrie.
>    I had 2 sisters who died withing 2 months of each other, too. Very
>    heartbreaking.
> 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Maggie & Molly

[Lorrie]

Thank you Beth. It is very hard, but I knew when I started this rescue
work and made a section of my building into a place for FelV cats I'd be 
in for a lot of heartache. However it is very heart warming to give these 
poor cats and kittens a few months of love and care.

Lorrie

On 01-31, Beth wrote:
>I'm so sorry to hear of your loss, Lorrie.
>I had 2 sisters who died withing 2 months of each other, too. Very
>heartbreaking.
> 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Maggie & Molly

[Beth]

I'm so sorry to hear of your loss, Lorrie.
I had 2 sisters who died withing 2 months of each other, too. Very 
heartbreaking.


 
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 From: Lorrie 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2013 11:34 AM
Subject: [Felvtalk] Maggie & Molly
 
Yesterday was a sad day I had my beautiful, sweet calico kitten,
Maggie, euthanized.  She was only 9 months old. Her sister, Molly, was 
euthanized last month, and they are buried side by side in the woods next 
to our house. I took in this litter of 4 FelV kittens in July knowing 
they'd probably all die, and consequently break my heart, but I had room 
in my FelV sanctuary so I wanted to give them a chance, and they had 9 
happy months living in the upstairs of my large rescue building in town.

I watched them running thru their rooms, scooting thru the tunnels, 
climbing up the cat posts, and walking across the wall walks which were 
built just for them, and they were happy kittens. Their three rooms upstairs
were all made into a cat play ground and also had second hand furniture below 
the walk ways where I could sit and cuddle them or they could sleep. They had 
a good life, and longer than they'd have had if I hadn't taken them in from 
the person who was going to have them PTS because of the FelV virus. 

For 8 months they seemed to be in perfect health, and I actually believed 
they'd be fine, but then Molly, who was also a calico, got sick. Maggie
still seemed fine but a bit more quiet, but within a week or so she went
downhill fast. Two of the precious kittens from this litter are still 
with us, and so far they seem in good health, but for how long?  No doubt 
I'll be in tears again when this horrible virus over takes them.

Lorrie

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Re: [Felvtalk] Maggie & Molly

[Lee Evans]

Lorrie, I'm in tears for you and the kittens. You are such a wonderful, caring 
person. My Desi, a colony cat got sick several months ago. We didn't even know 
he was FeLv+. He was around 6 years old. No one in the colony was ever sick. 
Don't know what happened to Desi. His sister Lucy was killed by a car when she 
was very young but Desi grew to be a lovely, happy sleek black cat. Then my 
friend noticed that he was losing weight a few months ago, took him to a vet. 
He tested positive for leukemia and chronic anemia. Vet said he wouldn't last 
more than a couple of weeks. I took him in because I have a room reserved for 
emergency cases. He actually began to eat like a little porker and gained a bit 
of weight. I gave him vitamins with iron, formulated in a liquid for cats. He  
played a bit also and I thought there might have been hope. Just as I began to 
relax and enjoy having him as a "guest", his period of remittance ended, he 
lost his appetite and within
 a couple of days, simply faded away. The only positive thing was that he 
curled up in his box where he always felt safe and secure and went into a 
forever sleep. Hope he was having a wonderful dream when he passed. I love you 
and all those who rescue these deserving cats. There is so much prejudice 
against cats in general that it's close to a miracle to find people who care as 
much as  you and other FeLv+ and FIV+ cat rescuers. Feel joy that you gave so 
much pleasure to these two kittens. Life is not about quantity, it's about 
quality. Hugs.


 
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>
> From: Lorrie 
>To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
>Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2013 10:34 AM
>Subject: [Felvtalk] Maggie & Molly
> 
>Yesterday was a sad day I had my beautiful, sweet calico kitten,
>Maggie, euthanized.  She was only 9 months old. Her sister, Molly, was 
>euthanized last month, and they are buried side by side in the woods next 
>to our house. I took in this litter of 4 FelV kittens in July knowing 
>they'd probably all die, and consequently break my heart, but I had room 
>in my FelV sanctuary so I wanted to give them a chance, and they had 9 
>happy months living in the upstairs of my large rescue building in town.
>
>I watched them running thru their rooms, scooting thru the tunnels, 
>climbing up the cat posts, and walking across the wall walks which were 
>built just for them, and they were happy kittens. Their three rooms upstairs
>were all made into a cat play ground and also had second hand furniture below 
>the walk ways where I could sit and cuddle them or they could sleep. They had 
>a good life, and longer than they'd have had if I hadn't taken them in from 
>the person who was going to have them PTS because of the FelV virus. 
>
>For 8 months they seemed to be in perfect health, and I actually believed 
>they'd be fine, but then Molly, who was also a calico, got sick. Maggie
>still seemed fine but a bit more quiet, but within a week or so she went
>downhill fast. Two of the precious kittens from this litter are still 
>with us, and so far they seem in good health, but for how long?  No doubt 
>I'll be in tears again when this horrible virus over takes them.
>
>Lorrie
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Re: [Felvtalk] Maggie & Molly

[Marcia]

You are a hero. And I'm very sorry that you lost them): wellness vibes for the 
other two.
Marcia

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On Jan 30, 2013, at 10:34 AM, Lorrie  wrote:

> Yesterday was a sad day I had my beautiful, sweet calico kitten,
> Maggie, euthanized.  She was only 9 months old. Her sister, Molly, was 
> euthanized last month, and they are buried side by side in the woods next 
> to our house. I took in this litter of 4 FelV kittens in July knowing 
> they'd probably all die, and consequently break my heart, but I had room 
> in my FelV sanctuary so I wanted to give them a chance, and they had 9 
> happy months living in the upstairs of my large rescue building in town.
> 
> I watched them running thru their rooms, scooting thru the tunnels, 
> climbing up the cat posts, and walking across the wall walks which were 
> built just for them, and they were happy kittens. Their three rooms upstairs
> were all made into a cat play ground and also had second hand furniture below 
> the walk ways where I could sit and cuddle them or they could sleep. They had 
> a good life, and longer than they'd have had if I hadn't taken them in from 
> the person who was going to have them PTS because of the FelV virus. 
> 
> For 8 months they seemed to be in perfect health, and I actually believed 
> they'd be fine, but then Molly, who was also a calico, got sick. Maggie
> still seemed fine but a bit more quiet, but within a week or so she went
> downhill fast. Two of the precious kittens from this litter are still 
> with us, and so far they seem in good health, but for how long?  No doubt 
> I'll be in tears again when this horrible virus over takes them.
> 
> Lorrie
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Re: [Felvtalk] Maggie & Molly

[Bonnie Hogue]

Lorrie, I'm so sorry for your loss and heartache, but how wonderful of you to 
take these little kitties.  You have made a huge difference in their 
lives...and as we know, their love is our payment.  
Blessings to you and your calico angels.
Bonnie

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On Jan 30, 2013, at 8:34 AM, Lorrie  wrote:

> Yesterday was a sad day I had my beautiful, sweet calico kitten,
> Maggie, euthanized.  She was only 9 months old. Her sister, Molly, was 
> euthanized last month, and they are buried side by side in the woods next 
> to our house. I took in this litter of 4 FelV kittens in July knowing 
> they'd probably all die, and consequently break my heart, but I had room 
> in my FelV sanctuary so I wanted to give them a chance, and they had 9 
> happy months living in the upstairs of my large rescue building in town.
> 
> I watched them running thru their rooms, scooting thru the tunnels, 
> climbing up the cat posts, and walking across the wall walks which were 
> built just for them, and they were happy kittens. Their three rooms upstairs
> were all made into a cat play ground and also had second hand furniture below 
> the walk ways where I could sit and cuddle them or they could sleep. They had 
> a good life, and longer than they'd have had if I hadn't taken them in from 
> the person who was going to have them PTS because of the FelV virus. 
> 
> For 8 months they seemed to be in perfect health, and I actually believed 
> they'd be fine, but then Molly, who was also a calico, got sick. Maggie
> still seemed fine but a bit more quiet, but within a week or so she went
> downhill fast. Two of the precious kittens from this litter are still 
> with us, and so far they seem in good health, but for how long?  No doubt 
> I'll be in tears again when this horrible virus over takes them.
> 
> Lorrie
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Re: [Felvtalk] Maggie - to Tanya/heart supplement

[TANYA NOE]

 Shannon, thanks for the suggestion. I will definitely look into that. I 
really appreciate everyone who has written in and made suggestions. This is 
such a great community and a great place to get information.
 Sorry it has taken me so long to send out this thank you. It has been hard 
to keep up with the latest emails with work and my 21 month old. Also I am in 
the middle of preparing for a long move from PA to CO.
 So far Maggie is doing well and the Enalapril has really helped with her 
exercise intolerance. Keeping my fingers crossed!
 Again thanks everyone!
Tanya

--- On Tue, 7/13/10, Emeraldkittee  wrote:

> From: Emeraldkittee 
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Maggie - to Tanya/heart supplement
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Date: Tuesday, July 13, 2010, 10:55 PM
> hi Tanya,
>  
> my FIV boy has the exact same diagnosis (found by his going
> into congestive heart failure while in ear surgery) - he was
> diagnosed March 2009 with HCM.  I give him fish oil and
> also Only Natural Pets Heart Health formula.  (he is on 2
> per day - he's 16 lbs - but only dose up with a vet's
> approval. ) My holistic dr approved this and told me 'don't
> be surprised if he gets better, and the condition starts to
> reverse' - my regular vet and then the cardiologist all
> approved the supplement.  At his last ultrasound in May,
> his heart was showing improvement, some areas were no longer
> thickened, and others had not progressed further.  There
> can be incidences where it 'looks good' but it's thickening
> inward now, if that makes sense, but she was surmising it
> was really improvement.  I would check out the formula with
> your vet of course first.  If it's too $ for your taste,
> read the ingredients and work with a vet to get a similiar
> concotion on your own. 
>  www.onlynaturalpets.com
>  
> good luck!  (we were told our guy was not going to make it
> back in 3/09 - :)  he is also on enalapril - be sure to chk
> blood levels (kidney) regularly with this med.
>  
> Shannon
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Hello everyone,
>      It has been a while since I have been able to get
> on. I found out last
> month that my FelV+ Maggie who turned 2 years old 16 days
> ago was just
> diagnosed with a grade 4/6 heart murmur. She has seen many
> vets in her short
> life and has not had a detectable one previously not even 7
> months ago when
> she had her bi-annual physical and blood work. I took her
> in for her
> physical and because lately she has had some exercise
> intolerance that isn't
> normal for a 2 year old. Her heart ultrasound gave us a
> diagnosis of
> hypertrophic cardiomyopathy. Her walls were very thick and
> flow greatly
> reduced. We started he on Enalapril. 
>      I was wondering if anyone else has had the same
> diagnosis and if so if
> there was anything that worked well for your little ones.
> Her heart disease
> is progressing very quickly and I was told that with her
> type there isn't
> anything they can do to slow it down, we are only making
> her more
> comfortable with the Enalapril by making her heart not have
> to work as hard.
>      Any advice is appreciated,
> Tanya (Maggie's Mom)
> 
> 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Maggie - to Tanya/heart supplement

[Emeraldkittee]

hi Tanya,
 
my FIV boy has the exact same diagnosis (found by his going into congestive 
heart failure while in ear surgery) - he was diagnosed March 2009 with HCM.  I 
give him fish oil and also Only Natural Pets Heart Health formula.  (he is on 2 
per day - he's 16 lbs - but only dose up with a vet's approval. ) My holistic 
dr approved this and told me 'don't be surprised if he gets better, and the 
condition starts to reverse' - my regular vet and then the cardiologist all 
approved the supplement.  At his last ultrasound in May, his heart was showing 
improvement, some areas were no longer thickened, and others had not progressed 
further.  There can be incidences where it 'looks good' but it's thickening 
inward now, if that makes sense, but she was surmising it was really 
improvement.  I would check out the formula with your vet of course first.  If 
it's too $ for your taste, read the ingredients and work with a vet to get a 
similiar concotion on your own. 
 www.onlynaturalpets.com
 
good luck!  (we were told our guy was not going to make it back in 3/09 - :)  
he is also on enalapril - be sure to chk blood levels (kidney) regularly with 
this med.
 
Shannon




Hello everyone,
     It has been a while since I have been able to get on. I found out last
month that my FelV+ Maggie who turned 2 years old 16 days ago was just
diagnosed with a grade 4/6 heart murmur. She has seen many vets in her short
life and has not had a detectable one previously not even 7 months ago when
she had her bi-annual physical and blood work. I took her in for her
physical and because lately she has had some exercise intolerance that isn't
normal for a 2 year old. Her heart ultrasound gave us a diagnosis of
hypertrophic cardiomyopathy. Her walls were very thick and flow greatly
reduced. We started he on Enalapril. 
     I was wondering if anyone else has had the same diagnosis and if so if
there was anything that worked well for your little ones. Her heart disease
is progressing very quickly and I was told that with her type there isn't
anything they can do to slow it down, we are only making her more
comfortable with the Enalapril by making her heart not have to work as hard.
     Any advice is appreciated,
Tanya (Maggie's Mom)


      

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Re: [Felvtalk] Maggie

[Sharyl]

Good point MC.  A good Yahoo heart group is
http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/feline-heart/

My sweet Albert was dx with severe HCM on top of advanced CRF.  He enjoyed 
another 1 1/2 yrs with help from this group before his little heart gave out.  
Sharyl

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> From: MaryChristine 
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Maggie
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Date: Thursday, July 8, 2010, 3:13 PM
> folks, please remember that we are
> NOT vets on this list. HCM is a much more
> serious condition than most cats with FeLV will ever face,
> and there are far
> better lists than this one to learn about it.
> 
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[MaryChristine]

folks, please remember that we are NOT vets on this list. HCM is a much more
serious condition than most cats with FeLV will ever face, and there are far
better lists than this one to learn about it.


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Re: [Felvtalk] Maggie

[Natalie]

The best thing you can do for her immediately, which many vets will NOT tell
you, is give her CoQ10 - the easiest way is to buy it in powder form in a
capsule, open and sprinkle into food. GNC's vegetarian formula is a good one
- others come in gelcaps filled with oil.  I routinely give it to all the
FIV/FeLV+ cats in their food. Natalie

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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of TANYA NOE
Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2010 11:08 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Maggie

Hello everyone,
     It has been a while since I have been able to get on. I found out last
month that my FelV+ Maggie who turned 2 years old 16 days ago was just
diagnosed with a grade 4/6 heart murmur. She has seen many vets in her short
life and has not had a detectable one previously not even 7 months ago when
she had her bi-annual physical and blood work. I took her in for her
physical and because lately she has had some exercise intolerance that isn't
normal for a 2 year old. Her heart ultrasound gave us a diagnosis of
hypertrophic cardiomyopathy. Her walls were very thick and flow greatly
reduced. We started he on Enalapril. 
 I was wondering if anyone else has had the same diagnosis and if so if
there was anything that worked well for your little ones. Her heart disease
is progressing very quickly and I was told that with her type there isn't
anything they can do to slow it down, we are only making her more
comfortable with the Enalapril by making her heart not have to work as hard.
 Any advice is appreciated,
Tanya (Maggie's Mom)


  

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Re: [Felvtalk] Maggie

[jbero tds.net]

Hello Tanya,

HCM is tough.  In people it's often hereditary and treated with ACE
inhibitors (like enalapril), beta blockers (sotalol, metropolol,etc.) and/or
diuretics (lasix), and sometimes aspirin or other agent to inhibit blood
clots.  Transplants are used in certain situations.

My understanding is that with cats you can also use any of the above
mentioned meds, using caution with aspirin.  I think sometimes that
conventional medicine is limited and natural or alternative methods can
sometimes help.  I found a small amount of information on it that you could
maybe research or ask your vet or simply try.  I'll copy and paste it here:

  Natural Remedy Options

One of the most effective natural remedies is proper diet and exercise.
.
There is no pill that cures this problem as of now but researchers and
scientists are always working on towards a cure. Until then there are simple
things that can be incorporated in your cat’s daily diet that will help
them.

There are medicines to consider to thin the blood and stop the enlargement
of the heart wall. Aspirin (low doses that are safe for felines), diuretics
and a beta blocker are popular for this condition. Check with your vet about
the aspirins as some cats may be able to handle it but others can not! If
your cat is sensitive to aspirin try Nattokinase instead.

As far as the daily diet, quality foods can make the difference in your cat
(quality foods not commercial foods). Commercial foods tend to have a lot of
salt which can be very bad for this condition. Homemade meals are a lot
better. Foods high in taurine have a positive effect as well as organic
foods with broccoli and oats. Cooked liver can provide essential nutrients
to help your cat feel better.

When considering supplements the following have been known to support health
and longevity in cats with Feline Hypertrophic Cardiomyopathy:

• Vitamin E oil

• B-Vitamins

• Hawthorne berry

• Dandelion leaf

• Fish oil

• Coenzyme Q10

If you are interested in homemade diets there are certainly individuals in
this group that could recommend something.  If not let me know and I'll send
you something.  Good luck.

Jenny

Read more:
http://www.brighthub.com/health/alternative-medicine/articles/5.aspx#ixzz0t7Ccfzr7


On Thu, Jul 8, 2010 at 10:08 AM, TANYA NOE wrote:

> Hello everyone,
>  It has been a while since I have been able to get on. I found out last
> month that my FelV+ Maggie who turned 2 years old 16 days ago was just
> diagnosed with a grade 4/6 heart murmur. She has seen many vets in her short
> life and has not had a detectable one previously not even 7 months ago when
> she had her bi-annual physical and blood work. I took her in for her
> physical and because lately she has had some exercise intolerance that isn't
> normal for a 2 year old. Her heart ultrasound gave us a diagnosis of
> hypertrophic cardiomyopathy. Her walls were very thick and flow greatly
> reduced. We started he on Enalapril.
> I was wondering if anyone else has had the same diagnosis and if so if
> there was anything that worked well for your little ones. Her heart disease
> is progressing very quickly and I was told that with her type there isn't
> anything they can do to slow it down, we are only making her more
> comfortable with the Enalapril by making her heart not have to work as hard.
> Any advice is appreciated,
> Tanya (Maggie's Mom)
>
>
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