Re: [Felvtalk] Overpopulation of cats

2012-10-03 Thread Lorrie
Thanks for what you do Natalie.   I've been rescuing cats for about
40 years now and have 14 N/S rescued cats at home and more in a building
I bought in 2004 and made into a cageless sanctuary for abused, abandoned
cats. I also TNR, but as you said, I don't see much change in the number
of kittens being born.  People still don't N/S as they find it much
easier to dump their unwanted cats.   It is difficult not to detest
most people.. Meaning people like that who care so little about 
their animals.

Lorrie


On 10-03, Natalie wrote:
Yes, it would make sense - if cats had not been domesticated so long
ago, they would still be part of the natural ecosystem, be considered
wildlife and probably still reproduce only once, instead of numerous
times throughout the year, as they do now.  It does happen to most
wildlife, but obviously very differently, depending on the species.
 
It's too bad that this doesn't apply to domesticated animals anymore.
I doubt that companion animals will ever become extinct.  My hope would
be that every time someone wanted a cat or a dog, they would have to be
on a waiting list - what's happening right now, is obscene - the number
of healthy, beautiful animals that are killed routinely in shelters and
pounds is unbearable.  I started the cat rescue 20 years ago, and I
don't think much has changed, other than other small groups in the area
doing the same thing.  People are still not spaying/neutering, still
abandoning their pets, and many are still total jerks!  Those of us who
do rescue, are paying emotional, physically, and financially for
others' irresponsible behavior, because we care.
 

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Re: [Felvtalk] Overpopulation of cats

2012-10-03 Thread Natalie
And the question is WHY?  
I have a feeling a lot of it isn't JUST plain ignorance (although I hate to
admit, many are just that!), it may be the cost of spaying/neutering -
prices on the Easdt Coast can be up to $400 for a female cat!  Yes, there
are low-cost certificates available, but how many veterinarians participate?
Many are in it just for the money, and yet, they don't realize that by
performing the surgery, they could actually gain a client for life!  It's
like cutting off your nose to spite your face Some larger humane groups
also offer their own pre-paid spay/neuter at time of adoption, but the rate
of actually taking advantage of the already prepaid surgferiesare really
low, that's why many spay/neuter little kittens before they are adopted!
We work with two veterinary groups and get a nice discount, although the
larger group just informed us that the 50% is down to 30% (they could
certainly afford to keep giving us the old rate...).  
I also use FoA certificates (www.friendsofanimals.org), and give adopters
another option of SPAY/USA at 1-800-248-SPAY.
It would be great to get more veterinarians to participate in both programs.
Natalie

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From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
Lorrie
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2012 9:23 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Overpopulation of cats

Thanks for what you do Natalie.   I've been rescuing cats for about
40 years now and have 14 N/S rescued cats at home and more in a building I
bought in 2004 and made into a cageless sanctuary for abused, abandoned
cats. I also TNR, but as you said, I don't see much change in the number of
kittens being born.  People still don't N/S as they find it much
easier to dump their unwanted cats.   It is difficult not to detest
most people.. Meaning people like that who care so little about their
animals.

Lorrie


On 10-03, Natalie wrote:
Yes, it would make sense - if cats had not been domesticated so long
ago, they would still be part of the natural ecosystem, be considered
wildlife and probably still reproduce only once, instead of numerous
times throughout the year, as they do now.  It does happen to most
wildlife, but obviously very differently, depending on the species.
 
It's too bad that this doesn't apply to domesticated animals anymore.
I doubt that companion animals will ever become extinct.  My hope would
be that every time someone wanted a cat or a dog, they would have to be
on a waiting list - what's happening right now, is obscene - the number
of healthy, beautiful animals that are killed routinely in shelters and
pounds is unbearable.  I started the cat rescue 20 years ago, and I
don't think much has changed, other than other small groups in the area
doing the same thing.  People are still not spaying/neutering, still
abandoning their pets, and many are still total jerks!  Those of us who
do rescue, are paying emotional, physically, and financially for
others' irresponsible behavior, because we care.
 

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Re: [Felvtalk] Overpopulation of cats

2012-10-03 Thread Joslin Potter
You make a good point Natialie, When we took Zoey in to be fixed and declawed 
we didn't realize that in a few months when he was dx with FeLV that we would 
be seeing them a lot more often then planned, I also recommened them to 
everyone and sometimes get discounts for refering friends. I am amazed at $400 
to fix an animal that is *INSANE* why would anyone even want a pet? I wonder 
how many people if they contacted their vets would they be interested, I used 
to go to a vet where they offered discounts if you got more than one animal s/n 
at a time, this is very rare anymore as well. 

 


 From: Natalie at...@optonline.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Wednesday, October 3, 2012 11:01 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Overpopulation of cats
  
And the question is WHY?  
I have a feeling a lot of it isn't JUST plain ignorance (although I hate to
admit, many are just that!), it may be the cost of spaying/neutering -
prices on the Easdt Coast can be up to $400 for a female cat!  Yes, there
are low-cost certificates available, but how many veterinarians participate?
Many are in it just for the money, and yet, they don't realize that by
performing the surgery, they could actually gain a client for life!  It's
like cutting off your nose to spite your face Some larger humane groups
also offer their own pre-paid spay/neuter at time of adoption, but the rate
of actually taking advantage of the already prepaid surgferiesare really
low, that's why many spay/neuter little kittens before they are adopted!
We work with two veterinary groups and get a nice discount, although the
larger group just informed us that the 50% is down to 30% (they could
certainly afford to keep giving us the old rate...).  
I also use FoA certificates (http://www.friendsofanimals.org/), and give 
adopters
another option of SPAY/USA at 1-800-248-SPAY.
It would be great to get more veterinarians to participate in both programs.
Natalie

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From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
Lorrie
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2012 9:23 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Overpopulation of cats

Thanks for what you do Natalie.   I've been rescuing cats for about
40 years now and have 14 N/S rescued cats at home and more in a building I
bought in 2004 and made into a cageless sanctuary for abused, abandoned
cats. I also TNR, but as you said, I don't see much change in the number of
kittens being born.  People still don't N/S as they find it much
easier to dump their unwanted cats.   It is difficult not to detest
most people.. Meaning people like that who care so little about their
animals.

Lorrie


On 10-03, Natalie wrote:
    Yes, it would make sense - if cats had not been domesticated so long
    ago, they would still be part of the natural ecosystem, be considered
    wildlife and probably still reproduce only once, instead of numerous
    times throughout the year, as they do now.  It does happen to most
    wildlife, but obviously very differently, depending on the species.
 
    It's too bad that this doesn't apply to domesticated animals anymore.
    I doubt that companion animals will ever become extinct.  My hope would
    be that every time someone wanted a cat or a dog, they would have to be
    on a waiting list - what's happening right now, is obscene - the number
    of healthy, beautiful animals that are killed routinely in shelters and
    pounds is unbearable.  I started the cat rescue 20 years ago, and I
    don't think much has changed, other than other small groups in the area
    doing the same thing.  People are still not spaying/neutering, still
    abandoning their pets, and many are still total jerks!  Those of us who
    do rescue, are paying emotional, physically, and financially for
    others' irresponsible behavior, because we care.
 

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Re: [Felvtalk] Overpopulation of cats

2012-10-03 Thread Natalie
My vet gives discounts to senior citizen, multiple pet households, and of
course, rescue groups.

 

If all of us would talk to our vets who do NOT participate in some kind of a
program, maybe we could expand the spay/neuter pool and make it more
accessible for many more pet owners.

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
Joslin Potter
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2012 11:09 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Overpopulation of cats

 

You make a good point Natialie, When we took Zoey in to be fixed and
declawed we didn't realize that in a few months when he was dx with FeLV
that we would be seeing them a lot more often then planned, I also
recommened them to everyone and sometimes get discounts for refering
friends. I am amazed at $400 to fix an animal that is *INSANE* why would
anyone even want a pet? I wonder how many people if they contacted their
vets would they be interested, I used to go to a vet where they offered
discounts if you got more than one animal s/n at a time, this is very rare
anymore as well. 

 

From: Natalie at...@optonline.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Wednesday, October 3, 2012 11:01 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Overpopulation of cats


And the question is WHY?  
I have a feeling a lot of it isn't JUST plain ignorance (although I hate to
admit, many are just that!), it may be the cost of spaying/neutering -
prices on the Easdt Coast can be up to $400 for a female cat!  Yes, there
are low-cost certificates available, but how many veterinarians participate?
Many are in it just for the money, and yet, they don't realize that by
performing the surgery, they could actually gain a client for life!  It's
like cutting off your nose to spite your face Some larger humane groups
also offer their own pre-paid spay/neuter at time of adoption, but the rate
of actually taking advantage of the already prepaid surgferiesare really
low, that's why many spay/neuter little kittens before they are adopted!
We work with two veterinary groups and get a nice discount, although the
larger group just informed us that the 50% is down to 30% (they could
certainly afford to keep giving us the old rate...).  
I also use FoA certificates (http://www.friendsofanimals.org/), and give
adopters
another option of SPAY/USA at 1-800-248-SPAY.
It would be great to get more veterinarians to participate in both programs.
Natalie

-Original Message-
From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
Lorrie
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2012 9:23 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Overpopulation of cats

Thanks for what you do Natalie.  I've been rescuing cats for about
40 years now and have 14 N/S rescued cats at home and more in a building I
bought in 2004 and made into a cageless sanctuary for abused, abandoned
cats. I also TNR, but as you said, I don't see much change in the number of
kittens being born.  People still don't N/S as they find it much
easier to dump their unwanted cats.  It is difficult not to detest
most people.. Meaning people like that who care so little about their
animals.

Lorrie


On 10-03, Natalie wrote:
Yes, it would make sense - if cats had not been domesticated so long
ago, they would still be part of the natural ecosystem, be considered
wildlife and probably still reproduce only once, instead of numerous
times throughout the year, as they do now.  It does happen to most
wildlife, but obviously very differently, depending on the species.
 
It's too bad that this doesn't apply to domesticated animals anymore.
I doubt that companion animals will ever become extinct.  My hope would
be that every time someone wanted a cat or a dog, they would have to be
on a waiting list - what's happening right now, is obscene - the number
of healthy, beautiful animals that are killed routinely in shelters and
pounds is unbearable.  I started the cat rescue 20 years ago, and I
don't think much has changed, other than other small groups in the area
doing the same thing.  People are still not spaying/neutering, still
abandoning their pets, and many are still total jerks!  Those of us who
do rescue, are paying emotional, physically, and financially for
others' irresponsible behavior, because we care.
 

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