Re: [Felvtalk] chemmo for Pupa
Thanks again Dorlis. I'll try to make this contact.Pupa now is going well. Results of a blood exam this week indicated a discrete fall in the erythrocyte and hemoglobin values, well below the minimum reference parameters (yes, this must being familiar for you!). Therefore, we decide to interrupt the chemo protocol for a time, at least until such undesirable effects have been corrected. I start with lysine and vitamin C today.hebert Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 16:28:17 -0500 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] chemmo for Pupa i emailed Dr. Maier and got consultation form . you could contact her at www.horizonvetserv.com. maybe she could help you find a vet in Sao Paulo. worth a try. dorlis hebert ferrarezzi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am writing to thank you all. This is really an unique and interesting group. The answers I got for may question about the chemo for Pupa were fairly beyond my expectative. Aside some valuable technical explanations, I also heard one, not less technical, from the patient perspective! That is great! Truly thanks for the attention. It’s sure that cats and humans can be compared. That’s scientists do all the time, studding their genes http://lgd.abcc.ncifcrf.gov/ and their virus, using one as a model to the other (in a dual progress). Dorlis, I don’t known any holistic veterinary here in São Paulo, but I am trying to be informed about any alternative therapy to my four positive. In this way I’m really indebted to this group mailing and archives and to the felineleukemia page sponsor. hebert ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org _ Confira vídeos com notícias do NY Times, gols direto do Lance, videocassetadas e muito mais no MSN Video! http://video.msn.com/?mkt=pt-br ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] chemmo for Pupa
i emailed Dr. Maier and got consultation form . you could contact her at www.horizonvetserv.com. maybe she could help you find a vet in Sao Paulo. worth a try. dorlis hebert ferrarezzi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am writing to thank you all. This is really an unique and interesting group. The answers I got for may question about the chemo for Pupa were fairly beyond my expectative. Aside some valuable technical explanations, I also heard one, not less technical, from the patient perspective! That is great! Truly thanks for the attention. It’s sure that cats and humans can be compared. That’s scientists do all the time, studding their genes http://lgd.abcc.ncifcrf.gov/ and their virus, using one as a model to the other (in a dual progress). Dorlis, I don’t known any holistic veterinary here in São Paulo, but I am trying to be informed about any alternative therapy to my four positive. In this way I’m really indebted to this group mailing and archives and to the felineleukemia page sponsor. hebert As a matter of curiosity, I transcribed below, an abstract of a presentation by O. Jarrett in the 8th International Feline Retrovirus Research Symposium: Cat Genomics and Infectious Diseases in the 21st Century. Washington, DC; October, 2006. http://ifrrs8.ncifcrf.gov/IFRRS8-abstracts.pdf HOW FeLV CHANGED THE WORLD Oswald Jarrett*, University of Glasgow, Institute of Comparative Medicine, Faculty of Veterinary Medicine, Bearsden, Glasgow G61 1QH, Scotland Telephone +44 141 956 2111 [EMAIL PROTECTED] FeLV research has had a significant impact on feline welfare, comparative biology and human retrovirology. Since its discovery, the prevalence of FeLV has declined dramatically until the infection is now rare in some areas. The benefits to cat health have been equally striking, as the outcome of persistent infection is almost always fatal. This success is due to the application of diagnostic tests to identify and separate infected from non-infected cats; and vaccination. Because FeLV has evolved in groups of cats in close contact, but is poorly transmitted in free-ranging cats, these measures have reduced the incidence of infection in the whole community. Continuing vigorous application of these measures should eradicate the infection from even larger populations of cats. Various by-products of FeLV research that have been valuable in comparative medicine include: the discovery of several oncogenes, including sis and kit, that are involved in signal transduction; examples of ways in which genes may collaborate in leukaemogenesis; and, through the study of FeLV-C, which causes pure red cell aplasia, the identification of the human haem transporter that is essential for erythroid differentiation. FeLV research also strongly influenced the discovery of human retroviruses. As an example of a horizontally transmitted, naturally occurring virus causing leukaemia, FeLV provided crucial support for the establishment of the Special Virus Cancer Program. Subsequently, the search for viruses in T-cell tumours, driven by the knowledge that this is the predominant form caused by FeLV, led to the discovery of HTLV, and subsequently HIV. Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 21:40:09 -0500 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] chemmo for Pupa Hello, i don't know about cats, but i had perpherial t cell lymphoma and had the same chemotherapy you mentioned plus a couple of others. none of them did anything but make my hemoglobin drop to 3.4. at the end of 2 or 3 years of chemo, stopped treatments, did no good. then a year later i went into remission all on my own. now 5 years cancer free. i also did vitamins and minerals along with the chemo. oncologist went along with me and even said would write prescription if had to go into hospital. if my experience can compare, if side effects get too bad, stop treatment. not worth the suffering. i would try Dr. Susan Maier, a holistic vet and go with vitamin and mineral therapy along with the chemo and then if you drop chemo, vitamins will have Pupa in better shape than without. there is another holistic vet someone told about. they do phone consultations. check with your state veterinarian association for local holistic vets. others have mentioned l lysine, vitamin c. other answers will come . dorils hebert ferrarezzi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Olá amigos, As already told, Pupa (8 years old) was tested FeLV+ in January/2008 and diagnosed with lymploma (large cell type) at the submandibular lymphnode in april. Since then, she has been treated with Staphylococcal Protein A and has recovered very well from severe thrombocytopenia and neutropenia. The lymphoma had an apparent short time of remission but returned in a persistent constant slow growth. A chemmo
Re: [Felvtalk] chemmo for Pupa
I am replying to this because I can't seem to send email to the organization. Someone last week, wrote about giving cats q-10 enzymes. I am wanting to know what strength to give a cat. They said it cleared up the gum problems the cat had. My Miss Clara has red-line gingivitis and has had to have 8 teeth pulled. I am constantly afraid it is going to cause her decline from the leukemia. Does anyone remember that email? thanks, Alice - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgmailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Cc: hebert ferrarezzimailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 20, 2008 9:40 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] chemmo for Pupa Hello, i don't know about cats, but i had perpherial t cell lymphoma and had the same chemotherapy you mentioned plus a couple of others. none of them did anything but make my hemoglobin drop to 3.4. at the end of 2 or 3 years of chemo, stopped treatments, did no good. then a year later i went into remission all on my own. now 5 years cancer free. i also did vitamins and minerals along with the chemo. oncologist went along with me and even said would write prescription if had to go into hospital. if my experience can compare, if side effects get too bad, stop treatment. not worth the suffering. i would try Dr. Susan Maier, a holistic vet and go with vitamin and mineral therapy along with the chemo and then if you drop chemo, vitamins will have Pupa in better shape than without.there is another holistic vet someone told about. they do phone consultations. check with your state veterinarian association for local holistic vets. others have mentioned l lysine, vitamin c. other answers will come . dorils hebert ferrarezzi [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Olá amigos, As already told, Pupa (8 years old) was tested FeLV+ in January/2008 and diagnosed with lymploma (large cell type) at the submandibular lymphnode in april. Since then, she has been treated with Staphylococcal Protein A and has recovered very well from severe thrombocytopenia and neutropenia. The lymphoma had an apparent short time of remission but returned in a persistent constant slow growth. A chemmo protocol using L-asparaginase+Prednisone was initiated and interrupted after 3 weeks since no effect was noted. A recent ultrasonographic image exam showed a large and encapsulated tumor. Considering that Pupa upholds good red/white BCC, I decided to begin a more aggressive chemmo protocol (COP: cyclophosphamide, vincristine, predinisone) two weeks ago. The response was surprisingly: five days after the first COP session, the tumor reduced to an unstructured mass, and at the eighth day, when the second vincristine injection was done, no sign of it could be founded by touch inspection. The vets were astonished such a rapid remission and we are praying so that thus remains for a long long time. The third chemmo session is to be tomorrow, after checking the results of her new hematological exam. My question, I hope you could help me by previous experience or knowledge about, is: Should I have to shorten the protocol or at least reduce the drugs dosage (in order to avoid the side effects that are beginning to appear)? Any information will be very welcome, Many thanksSincerely... Hebert http://www.butantan.gov.br/ecoevo/index_ing.htmhttp://www.butantan.gov.br/ecoevo/index_ing.htm _ Confira vídeos com notícias do NY Times, gols direto do Lance, videocassetadas e muito mais no MSN Video! http://video.msn.com/?mkt=pt-brhttp://video.msn.com/?mkt=pt-br ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgmailto:Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.orghttp://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgmailto:Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.orghttp://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] chemmo for Pupa
Normally 30mg is the dose given once daily, this is what my vet recommended to me. -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... http://bemikitties.com http://BelindaSauro.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] chemmo for Pupa
By this comment I was talking about CO-Q 10 Normally 30mg is the dose given once daily, this is what my vet recommended to me. -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... http://bemikitties.com http://BelindaSauro.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] chemmo for Pupa
THANK YOU!!! I'm calling my vet today. Alice - Original Message - From: Belinda Sauromailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgmailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2008 9:56 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] chemmo for Pupa By this comment I was talking about CO-Q 10 Normally 30mg is the dose given once daily, this is what my vet recommended to me. -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... http://bemikitties.comhttp://bemikitties.com/ http://BelindaSauro.comhttp://belindasauro.com/ ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgmailto:Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.orghttp://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] chemmo for Pupa
I just wanted everyone to know that just b/c your kitty tests positive on the ELISA, even twice, at month or more long intervals, it doesn't mean your kitty is FeLV positive. I am seeing adoption ads for people who give the ELISA test once, and think the kitten has to be adopted out and can't live with them anymore. This is not true in every case. Lola was in this situation, and fought off the disease---probiotics, high quality food (Evo), indoor only home, quality interaction and love, plus low stress environment (no other cats, except for a few fosters which were kept totally separate). My Dad was diligent about trying to provide the best quality home he could for her, so she could knock out the disease. She did, and now she now has natural immunity to FeLV. Of course, it won't work in every case, but it shouldn't stop us from having hope... -Original Message- From: Alice hanson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 7:59 am Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] chemmo for Pupa THANK YOU!!! I'm calling my vet today. Alice - Original Message - From: Belinda Sauromailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgmailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2008 9:56 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] chemmo for Pupa By this comment I was talking about CO-Q 10 Normally 30mg is the dose given once daily, this is what my vet recommended to me. -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... http://bemikitties.comhttp://bemikitties.com/ http://BelindaSauro.comhttp://belindasauro.com/ ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgmailto:Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.orghttp://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] chemmo for Pupa
I am writing to thank you all. This is really an unique and interesting group. The answers I got for may question about the chemo for Pupa were fairly beyond my expectative. Aside some valuable technical explanations, I also heard one, not less technical, from the patient perspective! That is great! Truly thanks for the attention. It’s sure that cats and humans can be compared. That’s scientists do all the time, studding their genes http://lgd.abcc.ncifcrf.gov/ and their virus, using one as a model to the other (in a dual progress). Dorlis, I don’t known any holistic veterinary here in São Paulo, but I am trying to be informed about any alternative therapy to my four positive. In this way I’m really indebted to this group mailing and archives and to the felineleukemia page sponsor. hebert As a matter of curiosity, I transcribed below, an abstract of a presentation by O. Jarrett in the 8th International Feline Retrovirus Research Symposium: Cat Genomics and Infectious Diseases in the 21st Century. Washington, DC; October, 2006. http://ifrrs8.ncifcrf.gov/IFRRS8-abstracts.pdf HOW FeLV CHANGED THE WORLD Oswald Jarrett*, University of Glasgow, Institute of Comparative Medicine, Faculty of Veterinary Medicine, Bearsden, Glasgow G61 1QH, Scotland Telephone +44 141 956 2111 [EMAIL PROTECTED] FeLV research has had a significant impact on feline welfare, comparative biology and human retrovirology. Since its discovery, the prevalence of FeLV has declined dramatically until the infection is now rare in some areas. The benefits to cat health have been equally striking, as the outcome of persistent infection is almost always fatal. This success is due to the application of diagnostic tests to identify and separate infected from non-infected cats; and vaccination. Because FeLV has evolved in groups of cats in close contact, but is poorly transmitted in free-ranging cats, these measures have reduced the incidence of infection in the whole community. Continuing vigorous application of these measures should eradicate the infection from even larger populations of cats. Various by-products of FeLV research that have been valuable in comparative medicine include: the discovery of several oncogenes, including sis and kit, that are involved in signal transduction; examples of ways in which genes may collaborate in leukaemogenesis; and, through the study of FeLV-C, which causes pure red cell aplasia, the identification of the human haem transporter that is essential for erythroid differentiation. FeLV research also strongly influenced the discovery of human retroviruses. As an example of a horizontally transmitted, naturally occurring virus causing leukaemia, FeLV provided crucial support for the establishment of the Special Virus Cancer Program. Subsequently, the search for viruses in T-cell tumours, driven by the knowledge that this is the predominant form caused by FeLV, led to the discovery of HTLV, and subsequently HIV. Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 21:40:09 -0500 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] chemmo for Pupa Hello, i don't know about cats, but i had perpherial t cell lymphoma and had the same chemotherapy you mentioned plus a couple of others. none of them did anything but make my hemoglobin drop to 3.4. at the end of 2 or 3 years of chemo, stopped treatments, did no good. then a year later i went into remission all on my own. now 5 years cancer free. i also did vitamins and minerals along with the chemo. oncologist went along with me and even said would write prescription if had to go into hospital. if my experience can compare, if side effects get too bad, stop treatment. not worth the suffering. i would try Dr. Susan Maier, a holistic vet and go with vitamin and mineral therapy along with the chemo and then if you drop chemo, vitamins will have Pupa in better shape than without. there is another holistic vet someone told about. they do phone consultations. check with your state veterinarian association for local holistic vets. others have mentioned l lysine, vitamin c. other answers will come . dorils hebert ferrarezzi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Olá amigos, As already told, Pupa (8 years old) was tested FeLV+ in January/2008 and diagnosed with lymploma (large cell type) at the submandibular lymphnode in april. Since then, she has been treated with Staphylococcal Protein A and has recovered very well from severe thrombocytopenia and neutropenia. The lymphoma had an apparent short time of remission but returned in a persistent constant slow growth. A chemmo protocol using L-asparaginase+Prednisone was initiated and interrupted after 3 weeks since no effect was noted. A recent ultrasonographic image exam showed a large and encapsulated tumor. Considering that Pupa upholds good red/white BCC, I decided to begin a more aggressive chemmo protocol
Re: [Felvtalk] chemmo for Pupa
Hi Herbert, I belong to a feline lymphoma group and almost all of the kitties positive or negative that have stayed in remission the longest have stayed on chemo anywhere from 1 to 2 years, those being on it longer doing better. What most vets usually do is follow certain protocols especially if the cat goes into remission. You can find more info to print out for your vets here: http://www.felinelymphomacaregivers.org/docs/ChemoProtocols.html http://www.felinelymphomacaregivers.org/docs/GulfCoastChemoProtocols.html You may want to join the group it is very informative and supportive: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/feline_lymphoma -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... http://bemikitties.com http://BelindaSauro.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] chemmo for Pupa
Hi Herbert, Also I forgot to mention most kitties are on the initial protocol for anywhere from 6 months to a year, where they get chemo weekly or bi-weekly depending on the protocol being used, then they go to a maintenance protocol which is usually once every 3 week to once a month. -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... http://bemikitties.com http://BelindaSauro.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] chemmo for Pupa
Thank you Belinda, Thank you Michele, These informations will be very usefull to guide my decisions. I will join to the feline-lymphoma group today. Pupa is running well. I'm glad to be here with you. Hebert ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org _ Conheça o Windows Live Spaces, a rede de relacionamentos do Messenger! http://www.amigosdomessenger.com.br/ ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] chemmo for Pupa
Hello, i don't know about cats, but i had perpherial t cell lymphoma and had the same chemotherapy you mentioned plus a couple of others. none of them did anything but make my hemoglobin drop to 3.4. at the end of 2 or 3 years of chemo, stopped treatments, did no good. then a year later i went into remission all on my own. now 5 years cancer free. i also did vitamins and minerals along with the chemo. oncologist went along with me and even said would write prescription if had to go into hospital. if my experience can compare, if side effects get too bad, stop treatment. not worth the suffering. i would try Dr. Susan Maier, a holistic vet and go with vitamin and mineral therapy along with the chemo and then if you drop chemo, vitamins will have Pupa in better shape than without.there is another holistic vet someone told about. they do phone consultations. check with your state veterinarian association for local holistic vets. others have mentioned l lysine, vitamin c. other answers will come . dorils hebert ferrarezzi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Olá amigos, As already told, Pupa (8 years old) was tested FeLV+ in January/2008 and diagnosed with lymploma (large cell type) at the submandibular lymphnode in april. Since then, she has been treated with Staphylococcal Protein A and has recovered very well from severe thrombocytopenia and neutropenia. The lymphoma had an apparent short time of remission but returned in a persistent constant slow growth. A chemmo protocol using L-asparaginase+Prednisone was initiated and interrupted after 3 weeks since no effect was noted. A recent ultrasonographic image exam showed a large and encapsulated tumor. Considering that Pupa upholds good red/white BCC, I decided to begin a more aggressive chemmo protocol (COP: cyclophosphamide, vincristine, predinisone) two weeks ago. The response was surprisingly: five days after the first COP session, the tumor reduced to an unstructured mass, and at the eighth day, when the second vincristine injection was done, no sign of it could be founded by touch inspection. The vets were astonished such a rapid remission and we are praying so that thus remains for a long long time. The third chemmo session is to be tomorrow, after checking the results of her new hematological exam. My question, I hope you could help me by previous experience or knowledge about, is: Should I have to shorten the protocol or at least reduce the drugs dosage (in order to avoid the side effects that are beginning to appear)? Any information will be very welcome, Many thanksSincerely... Hebert http://www.butantan.gov.br/ecoevo/index_ing.htm _ Confira vídeos com notícias do NY Times, gols direto do Lance, videocassetadas e muito mais no MSN Video! http://video.msn.com/?mkt=pt-br ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] chemmo for Pupa
Hi, I can only tell you my experience with chemo and lymphoma. You should, of course, discuss everything with your vet. One of my cats has lymphoma and has been through three rounds of chemo. When the side-effects were just too severe I asked them to lower the dosage. I was happy with my decision because it did not seem to effect the outcome of the treatment and my cat wasn't suffering from awful side-effects. Good luck! Michele -- Original message -- From: hebert ferrarezzi [EMAIL PROTECTED] Olá amigos, As already told, Pupa (8 years old) was tested FeLV+ in January/2008 and diagnosed with lymploma (large cell type) at the submandibular lymphnode in april. Since then, she has been treated with Staphylococcal Protein A and has recovered very well from severe thrombocytopenia and neutropenia. The lymphoma had an apparent short time of remission but returned in a persistent constant slow growth. A chemmo protocol using L-asparaginase+Prednisone was initiated and interrupted after 3 weeks since no effect was noted. A recent ultrasonographic image exam showed a large and encapsulated tumor. Considering that Pupa upholds good red/white BCC, I decided to begin a more aggressive chemmo protocol (COP: cyclophosphamide, vincristine, predinisone) two weeks ago. The response was surprisingly: five days after the first COP session, the tumor reduced to an unstructured mass, and at the eighth day, when the second vincristine injection was done, no sign of it could be founded by touch inspection. The vets were astonished such a rapid remission and we are praying so that thus remains for a long long time. The third chemmo session is to be tomorrow, after checking the results of her new hematological exam. My question, I hope you could help me by previous experience or knowledge about, is: Should I have to shorten the protocol or at least reduce the drugs dosage (in order to avoid the side effects that are beginning to appear)? Any information will be very welcome, Many thanksSincerely... Hebert http://www.butantan.gov.br/ecoevo/index_ing.htm _ Confira vídeos com notícias do NY Times, gols direto do Lance, videocassetadas e muito mais no MSN Video! http://video.msn.com/?mkt=pt-br ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
