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On 9/1/06, Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's quite a story.That's one thing about this list, whenever I'mfeeling overwhelmed, I can be assured that there's someone out there with even more on their plate.All of us who take in rescues know thattheir chances of being healthy and strong are compromised.Thank youfor doing what you do, not everyone has the strength to keep on facing so many trials and heartaches.I'm so sorry to hear about Twinkletoes,but I have higher hopes for her little sister since she has no symptomsexcept her smaller size.I don't think I'd put her through the stress of tests and spend the money when she's not really sick, just weakened.I'd put her and her remaining siblings on the same sort of supplementregime that we do for felv kitties.Do your best to boost her immune system and get as much quality food into her as possible.I have a goodfeeling about her, (what's her name?). Hi Nina, I named her Rorsarch after the test since she is black and white, but I call her Rory because she is not big enough for that other name. Sometimes I call her Rory Bory. She was a whirlwind of energy this morning, tearing up and down the stairs, but she is SO tiny. She cannot be more than 2 pounds, and she is 5 months old. How's her Momma doing now? Her mom is ok. She's on Flagyl at this time, which controls her symptoms. She had 8 teeth out for the stomatitis. She is not gaining any weight that I can see though. She's about 6.2 pounds. I'ma bit confused, is the one with the scarred cornea still with you? Yes, he is still here. His name is Obsidian and he's a big time lover boy. He is pretty close to normal size, though not as fat as I would like. Doyou have the kitty with spine problems on Glu/Chond and MSM?My GSD,Zevon, has degenerative spine disease and flax seed oil, (not as good for kitties, you might want to try salmon oil for the omegas), Glu/Chondand MSM, that with, believe it or not, exercise, is keeping him mobileand enjoying life. She was just diagnosed last Tuesday and I haven't had time to research her condition. She is on Val Syrup/Torbutol for pain. My vet recommended 1. Pain meds 2. Steroids 3. CT scan to confirm - he only did 2 X ray views 4. Surgery if necessary. Right now she is mobile and only has problems when you manipulate her tail, so I don't mess with her tail -however, the other cats do, so I am keeping her away from all of them but Missy (they are sisters and very bonded). Is Missy on CoQ10?I've heard good things aboutusing it for heart problems. Not yet, but I have plans to start her on it, along with L-Lysine and a few other things as well. The internist didn't think it would do any good so I consulted with my regular vet. I'm goign to start her at the cardiologist as I am not pleased with that internist at all. My goodness girl, you sure do have your hands full.I'm sending youstrength, energy and prayers to help you do Spirit's work.Bless you and everyone in your household,Nina Thanks Nina!:)-- Vist the Austin Siamese Rescue store and save a kitty life!http://www.cafepress.com/austinsiamese
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I'm so sorry, Kelley. I've never heard of that problem. I hope you can find some information to help Twinkletoes' sister.tonyaKelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:I lost my Twinkletoes this morning to complications of malabsorption (not FELV related). She was 5 months. She has a sister who is also very small, and I'm trying to do some research on this condition. Does anyone know anything about it? -- Vist the Austin Siamese Rescue store and save a kitty life!http://www.cafepress.com/austinsiamese
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I'm so sorry about Twinkletoes! Such a young furbaby. :( You are my thoughts and prayers. It is hard when you lose one that young. I have never had to deal with this problem in all the kitties I've hadhope I don't either. TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS SIAMESE COLLIE RESCUE Terrie Mohr-Forker http://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescue http://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/index.html http://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/myhomepage/petmemorial.html http://www.felineleukemia.org/ http://www.petloss.com/ TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS https://www.paypal.com/
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On 9/2/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm so sorry about Twinkletoes!Such a young furbaby. :(You are my thoughts and prayers. It is hard when you lose one that young. I have never had to deal with this problem in all the kitties I've hadhope I don't either. TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTSSIAMESE COLLIE RESCUETerrie Mohr-Forker http://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescue http://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/index.html http://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/myhomepage/petmemorial.html http://www.felineleukemia.org/ http://www.petloss.com/ TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS https://www.paypal.com/ My vet said he is seeing it more, and they don't really know what it is. It is pretty scary. He said she had thickened intestines, and she could not absorb her food. So she ate, but remained tiny. At 5 months she was 1.04 pounds. This may have been some other sort of illness that she didn't have the reserves to deal with. I just don't know. Her sister is perhaps 2 pounds. I need to take her and get her weighed. This is the 5th kitten I have lost this year and the 2nd from this litter. I hate kitten season.-- Vist the Austin Siamese Rescue store and save a kitty life! http://www.cafepress.com/austinsiamese
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On 9/2/06, Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Kelley,I understand what you mean about hating kitten season.I'm so sorry forall the losses you've had to endure.I love all babies, but after being in rescue I can't look at any of them without a touch of sadness.Ihate that!The symptoms you describe sound like IBD, (Inflammatory Bowel Disease)to me.It's a catch-all term used when the vets have done all the tests and can't figure out what the heck is going on.The symptoms includeuncontrolled diarrhea and/or vomiting, thickened intestine walls andmalnutrition.There is an IBD list that I joined when my Gypsydeveloped IBD after an accidental vaccine overdose.Generally the people and the rules on the list are a royal pain in the a**, but I didget some valuable information there that helped save Gypsy's life,(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FelineIBD ).I have found that diet is akey factor.Switching Gypsy to a raw diet was the turning point in herrecovery, (she's now on a cooked turkey diet that keeps her bowelsrelatively normal and allows her to maintain her weight.Food allergies usually play a part, low allergen foods and getting them on a novelprotein is usually the first step.If they are on dry food, get themoff of it immediately.Steroids are also commonly used to help control IBD, Budesonide is sometimes favored over Prednisone.I hate puttingkitties on steroids because it lowers their immune response and has longterm side effects, but when someone is in grave danger...I've had very good luck with homeopathics, but it was a long time before I found theright remedies for Gypsy.As I mentioned before, B12 injections seemedto help too.Get a scale you can use at home so you can monitor Rory's weight without having to go to the vet.Hugs and best wishes to you mydear,Nina Hi Nina, Their mom has been diagnosed with IBD, so that very well may be it. Is it genetic? I dont' know too much about IBD yet as Ciara was recently diagnosed, maybe 2-3 weeks ago. We are still working on getting her symptoms under control. I have heard about all different sorts of diets working for different people. Some swear by rabbit (I don't think I can feed rabbit. That would be like feeding cat, to me.) Some by venison, etc. I'm guessing it depends on the cat? -- Vist the Austin Siamese Rescue store and save a kitty life!http://www.cafepress.com/austinsiamese
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As far as food, yes, most of them are on dry. I don't like it, but I feed about 80 pounds of dry per month, and I absolutely can't afford to feed them all canned. I did the math when I put Missy on Evo and it would be $600 per month to put them all on Evo, which is really what I would like to do.
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Kelly, I'm guessing the reason rabbit and venison have worked for some people is because of the novel protein approach. Novel, meaning a protein source that they haven't been exposed to and therefore would probably not have an allergic reaction to. I've fed Gypsy rabbit, (I know it hurts), I got mine frozen and quartered from the grocery store. She got tired of it though and stopped eating it. I've tried venison too. There was a point where I thought I might run out of protein sources in the animal kingdom. Gypsy did really well at first on raw salmon, then duck, then salmon and duck. That was expensive! She's now on a homemade cooked turkey mush diet that's working well for her. I'll send you the recipe off list so I can attach it. Be warned, it's a great deal of trouble, but not nearly as much as doting on a sick kitty. Nina Hi Nina, Their mom has been diagnosed with IBD, so that very well may be it. Is it genetic? I dont' know too much about IBD yet as Ciara was recently diagnosed, maybe 2-3 weeks ago. We are still working on getting her symptoms under control. I have heard about all different sorts of diets working for different people. Some swear by rabbit (I don't think I can feed rabbit. That would be like feeding cat, to me.) Some by venison, etc. I'm guessing it depends on the cat?
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Oh Kelly, I am so sorry - GLOW to light her path and ease your and her sister's hearts...Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:I lost my Twinkletoes this morning to complications of malabsorption (not FELV related). She was 5 months. She has a sister who is also very small, and I'm trying to do some research on this condition. Does anyone know anything about it? -- Vist the Austin Siamese Rescue store and save a kitty life!http://www.cafepress.com/austinsiamese Barb+Smoky the House Puma+El Bandito Malito"My cat the clown: paying no mind to whom he should impress. Merely living his life, doing what pleases him, and making me smile."- Anonymous Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1ยข/min.
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My Stinky had that. She ate all of the time but she just kept on losing weight. She passed away in February. I really don't know alot about malabsorption but poor Stinky really got so skinny. She was a big cat until then. Sinky wasn't felv+. I am so sorry your Twinkletoes passed away. Cindy --- Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I lost my Twinkletoes this morning to complications of malabsorption (not FELV related). She was 5 months. She has a sister who is also very small, and I'm trying to do some research on this condition. Does anyone know anything about it? -- Vist the Austin Siamese Rescue store and save a kitty life! http://www.cafepress.com/austinsiamese __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
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Title: Message I am so sorry, Kelley. That is so tough, losing your Twinkletoes at only 5 months. I'm sorry I don't know anything about malabsorption but I'm sure others on the list will. Please know you're in my thoughts. What is Twinkletoes' sister's name? hugs, Kerry -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kelley SaveikaSent: Friday, September 01, 2006 9:58 AMTo: felvtalkSubject: Lost Twinkletoes I lost my Twinkletoes this morning to complications of malabsorption (not FELV related). She was 5 months. She has a sister who is also very small, and I'm trying to do some research on this condition. Does anyone know anything about it? -- Vist the Austin Siamese Rescue store and save a kitty life!http://www.cafepress.com/austinsiamese IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed above as to tax matters was neither written nor intended by the sender or Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP to be used and cannot be used by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding tax penalties that may be imposed under U.S. tax law. If any person uses or refers to any such tax advice in promoting, marketing or recommending a partnership or other entity, investment plan or arrangement to any taxpayer, then (i) the advice was written to support the promotion or marketing (by a person other than Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP) of that transaction or matter, and (ii) such taxpayer should seek advice based on the taxpayers particular circumstances from an independent tax advisor This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
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Kelly, I'm so sorry about your loss of Twinkletoes. Another one so young. It just tears your heart out when they get so little time in our love and protection. IBD kitties have problems with not absorbing nutrients in their food. B12 shots seem to help with that. I know there are other things you can do to help, but the B12 shots are the first thing that come to mind. What have you been doing for them? Blessings to Twinkle's sister and to you, Nina Kelley Saveika wrote: I lost my Twinkletoes this morning to complications of malabsorption (not FELV related). She was 5 months. She has a sister who is also very small, and I'm trying to do some research on this condition. Does anyone know anything about it?
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Hi Nina, My vet did a fecal on her yesterday. She was neg for coccidia and parasites. (She had continuous diarrhea). He gave her albon anyway, because he hoped that she might actually have coccidia anyway and it might have been flushed out of her system due to all the diarrhea. She was getting 6 cc's of water via syringe every hour, canned food and albon. He did note thickened intestines and his fear was malabsorption. He did a phone consult with another vet on this and both agreed that if the albon didn't work, it might be kinder to euthanize her. Her sister has no symptoms as yet, she's just about half as big as she should be. My vet has offered to do any kind of test I want, blood panels, etc., but in his professional opinion it either 1. will not give us any useful information or 2. the information it does give us we will not be able to act on. Some history on these kittens: The mom had stomatitis and IBD. I don't think they got adequate nutrition in utero. The mom has had 8 teeth out and is on flagyl now (kittens are 5 months). They have had severe eye infections (one also had an issue with the 3rd eyelid giving him a scarred over ulcer on his eye), URI, ringworm, and now malabsorption. One passed away at a very young age. One passed at 5 months. One is normal size and appears healthy. One is slightly less than normal size and appears healthy. One is about 2.5 lbs and at this time appears healthy, but I fear congenital defects. I have another foster cat with a congential spine abnormality, and my heart kitty Missy has heart disease, plus 16 or so more healthy kittens and 10 adults of varying health status and ages. Adoptions are way down this yea. Anyway, that's my story. On 9/1/06, Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kelly,I'm so sorry about your loss of Twinkletoes.Another one so young.Itjust tears your heart out when they get so little time in our love and protection.IBD kitties have problems with not absorbing nutrients intheir food.B12 shots seem to help with that.I know there are otherthings you can do to help, but the B12 shots are the first thing that come to mind.What have you been doing for them?Blessings toTwinkle's sister and to you,NinaKelley Saveika wrote: I lost my Twinkletoes this morning to complications of malabsorption (not FELV related).She was 5 months.She has a sister who is also very small, and I'm trying to do some research on this condition. Does anyone know anything about it? -- Vist the Austin Siamese Rescue store and save a kitty life!http://www.cafepress.com/austinsiamese
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Hi Kerry, Her sister's name is Rory, short for Rorschach (the ink blot test)..she's a black and white... On 9/1/06, MacKenzie, Kerry N. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am so sorry, Kelley. That is so tough, losing your Twinkletoes at only 5 months. I'm sorry I don't know anything about malabsorption but I'm sure others on the list will. Please know you're in my thoughts. What is Twinkletoes' sister's name? hugs, Kerry -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Kelley SaveikaSent: Friday, September 01, 2006 9:58 AMTo: felvtalkSubject: Lost Twinkletoes I lost my Twinkletoes this morning to complications of malabsorption (not FELV related). She was 5 months. She has a sister who is also very small, and I'm trying to do some research on this condition. Does anyone know anything about it? -- Vist the Austin Siamese Rescue store and save a kitty life!http://www.cafepress.com/austinsiamese IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed above as to tax matters was neither written nor intended by the sender or Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP to be used and cannot be used by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding tax penalties that may be imposed under U.S. tax law. If any person uses or refers to any such tax advice in promoting, marketing or recommending a partnership or other entity, investment plan or arrangement to any taxpayer, then (i) the advice was written to support the promotion or marketing (by a person other than Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP) of that transaction or matter, and (ii) such taxpayer should seek advice based on the taxpayers particular circumstances from an independent tax advisor This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. -- Vist the Austin Siamese Rescue store and save a kitty life!http://www.cafepress.com/austinsiamese
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Kelley, I'm so sorry Twinkletoes has left you for the Bridge. Gentlest Bridge vibes to her, but there are so many young'uns going there lately, she'll find lots of friends to play with. Comfort to you, and best wishes that Rory turns out okay. Diane R. This electronic mail transmission and any attachments are confidential and may be privileged. They should be read or retained only by the intended recipient. If you have received this transmission in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the transmission from your system. In addition, in order to comply with Treasury Circular 230, we are required to inform you that unless we have specifically stated to the contrary in writing, any advice we provide in this email or any attachment concerning federal tax issues or submissions is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, to avoid federal tax penalties.
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That's quite a story. That's one thing about this list, whenever I'm feeling overwhelmed, I can be assured that there's someone out there with even more on their plate. All of us who take in rescues know that their chances of being healthy and strong are compromised. Thank you for doing what you do, not everyone has the strength to keep on facing so many trials and heartaches. I'm so sorry to hear about Twinkletoes, but I have higher hopes for her little sister since she has no symptoms except her smaller size. I don't think I'd put her through the stress of tests and spend the money when she's not really sick, just weakened. I'd put her and her remaining siblings on the same sort of supplement regime that we do for felv kitties. Do your best to boost her immune system and get as much quality food into her as possible. I have a good feeling about her, (what's her name?). How's her Momma doing now? I'm a bit confused, is the one with the scarred cornea still with you? Do you have the kitty with spine problems on Glu/Chond and MSM? My GSD, Zevon, has degenerative spine disease and flax seed oil, (not as good for kitties, you might want to try salmon oil for the omegas), Glu/Chond and MSM, that with, believe it or not, exercise, is keeping him mobile and enjoying life. Is Missy on CoQ10? I've heard good things about using it for heart problems. My goodness girl, you sure do have your hands full. I'm sending you strength, energy and prayers to help you do Spirit's work. Bless you and everyone in your household, Nina Kelley Saveika wrote: Hi Nina, My vet did a fecal on her yesterday. She was neg for coccidia and parasites. (She had continuous diarrhea). He gave her albon anyway, because he hoped that she might actually have coccidia anyway and it might have been flushed out of her system due to all the diarrhea. She was getting 6 cc's of water via syringe every hour, canned food and albon. He did note thickened intestines and his fear was malabsorption. He did a phone consult with another vet on this and both agreed that if the albon didn't work, it might be kinder to euthanize her. Her sister has no symptoms as yet, she's just about half as big as she should be. My vet has offered to do any kind of test I want, blood panels, etc., but in his professional opinion it either 1. will not give us any useful information or 2. the information it does give us we will not be able to act on. Some history on these kittens: The mom had stomatitis and IBD. I don't think they got adequate nutrition in utero. The mom has had 8 teeth out and is on flagyl now (kittens are 5 months). They have had severe eye infections (one also had an issue with the 3rd eyelid giving him a scarred over ulcer on his eye), URI, ringworm, and now malabsorption. One passed away at a very young age. One passed at 5 months. One is normal size and appears healthy. One is slightly less than normal size and appears healthy. One is about 2.5 lbs and at this time appears healthy, but I fear congenital defects. I have another foster cat with a congential spine abnormality, and my heart kitty Missy has heart disease, plus 16 or so more healthy kittens and 10 adults of varying health status and ages. Adoptions are way down this yea. Anyway, that's my story. On 9/1/06, *Nina* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kelly, I'm so sorry about your loss of Twinkletoes. Another one so young. It just tears your heart out when they get so little time in our love and protection. IBD kitties have problems with not absorbing nutrients in their food. B12 shots seem to help with that. I know there are other things you can do to help, but the B12 shots are the first thing that come to mind. What have you been doing for them? Blessings to Twinkle's sister and to you, Nina Kelley Saveika wrote: I lost my Twinkletoes this morning to complications of malabsorption (not FELV related). She was 5 months. She has a sister who is also very small, and I'm trying to do some research on this condition. Does anyone know anything about it? -- Vist the Austin Siamese Rescue store and save a kitty life! http://www.cafepress.com/austinsiamese
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Kelley I am so sorry that you lost sweet little Twinkletoes.Once again Maizee will have a new friend.Hugs to you SherryKelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:I lost my Twinkletoes this morning to complications of malabsorption (not FELV related). She was 5 months. She has a sister who is also very small, and I'm trying to do some research on this condition. Does anyone know anything about it? -- Vist the Austin Siamese Rescue store and save a kitty life!http://www.cafepress.com/austinsiamese Stay in the know. Pulse on the new Yahoo.com. Check it out.
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At 07:57 AM 9/1/2006, you wrote: I am so very sorry about your loss. It just doesn't seem at all fair. Perhaps the only consolation is that she has had much love in her short little life, Kelly I lost my Twinkletoes this morning to complications of malabsorption (not FELV related). She was 5 months. She has a sister who is also very small, and I'm trying to do some research on this condition. Does anyone know anything about it? -- Vist the Austin Siamese Rescue store and save a kitty life! http://www.cafepress.com/austinsiamese No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.11.7/435 - Release Date: 8/31/2006
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I'm sorry to hear about Twinkletoes. You are in my thoughts and prayers. Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:I lost my Twinkletoes this morning to complications of malabsorption (not FELV related). She was 5 months. She has a sister who is also very small, and I'm trying to do some research on this condition. Does anyone know anything about it? -- Vist the Austin Siamese Rescue store and save a kitty life!http://www.cafepress.com/austinsiamese Stay in the know. Pulse on the new Yahoo.com. Check it out.
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I am so sorry you had to say goodbye to your baby. elizabeth -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Fri, 1 Sep 2006 9:57 AM Subject: Lost Twinkletoes I lost my Twinkletoes this morning to complications of malabsorption (not FELV related). She was 5 months. She has a sister who is also very small, and I'm trying to do some research on this condition. Does anyone know anything about it? -- Vist the Austin Siamese Rescue store and save a kitty life! http://www.cafepress.com/austinsiamese Check out AOL.com today. Breaking news, video search, pictures, email and IM. All on demand. Always Free.
