RE: Re: Opinions wanted on Royal Canin v. Wellness please
Here's and odd pill disguiser for you: Marshmellows! A friend of mine has a cat named Satan, (yeah, I know, but IF YOU ONLY KNEW HIM -the cat- YOU'D UNDERSTAND..the name is earned!), that could not be pilled. Oh, he'd stand on a freshly delivered pizza covered up to his knees in sauce and cheese, but he'd still find a pill hidden in cheese, pizza sauce, meat..etc...When one day he stole a bag of mini-marshmellows out of the drawer and curled up with them hissing and spittin whenever Angie came close to himand it dawned on herlittle marshmellows. Three years now and Satty gets his happy pill every morning...and there's a little less evil in the house. (But go easy on the candy...too much sugar's not good for a cat!)Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tamara, you are right about the Pill Pockets it does not work for all cats but if it does it is easy! The strays I was feeding would not take them but a little ball of ham, liverwurst, or anything sort of smellythey wolfed up! Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of tamara sticklerSent: Thursday, June 23, 2005 3:51 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: [Norton AntiSpam] Re: Opinions wanted on Royal Canin v. Wellness please Mari, For the record, Coebeio isn't Felv+, I don't know if that makes a difference, but it might, so I thought you should know. Ok, red dyes. That finding was just by trial and error. It finally occured to me that when I feed her something with red dye in it...she'd break out around the face and neck start vomittingnot right away...but within several hours...or a day. I tested that ...and I'm now very certain that that as well as the salmon, shrimp crab are all contributing factors to her break-outs. NOT that she doesn't have them anymore...because she does..but they are less frequent. Now I only feed her chemical free, human grade, no preservative, no antibotic added, free ranged-meat contained foods. It seems to be helping somewhat. As for canned food, Solid Gold seems the most palitable and best quality, healthiest, for Coebeio. They have a website where you can order directly: http://www.solidgoldhealth.com/ As for the allergiesMy vet is still trying to help me to figure it all out as well. Getting rid of the dyes in the food helped. Getting rid of corn in the food helped. Not burning scented candles, not using deoterizors in the carpet ...helpedtrying to limit stress has helped. But yes, she still gets breakouts...from time to time, and I just can't figure out why. What makes it worse is I haven't been able to get her to the vet in ..oh, three years or so. While she is an indoor cat, when she doesn't want to be caught...she can't be caught. You can't even getclose enough to scruff her. I picked her up off the street as an adult, and the only reason I was able to then...is because she came willingly when I told her to get in the car. One thing I will mention tho...not to upset you, but just to keep an eye out for...if your cat is frequently going off food that he would eat for a few daysIs he urinating more as well? Is he drinking more? When is the last time you had blood work done? (My Quintapus started that...progressively "picky" eatingturned out his kidneys had started to fail.) Oh, and with all due respect to Chris, yes try the pill pockets (but they cost about $4-5 a pouch), but not one of my animals, or my extended family's animals will touch them. I used to hide pills in oyster meat, a little bit of tuna or white fish...scallops sardines (rinse the salt)make a nice disguise...or even spam-(but only use a little bit spam has a LOT of salt). Good luck. T Mari Kolbe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: T: Very interesting - how did you ascertain that it was the red dyes? I have long suspected that it was the dyes in the various foods that have caused many of mine to vomit their food so I have beennotfeeding anything that obviously has colored kibble in it. Are all the dyes marked as "Red Dye #xx" or are some of them disguised as other chemical names? How do Coebeio's allergies manifest themselves? We currently have afour year old cerebellar hypoplasia cat who isa manx mix totally blind epileptic (his identical sister is totally blind and deaf). He was fine upuntil about a year ago and then started digging around his face and neck - literally raw. We at first thought earmites andhad him checked. Allparasites, fleas, earmites - negative. Hisvet says food allergies and he has had a series of depo medrol injections which did nothing. Vet has had him on several of the different single source protein foods - no change. Currently he is on Royal Canins special allergydry food and we are not seeing any change. We have to feed him canned food as that is the only way to get his phenobarbitol into him for his seizures and we tried several different allergy canned foods. He wi
Re: Opinions wanted on Royal Canin v. Wellness please
I've had luck hiding pills in cooked liver squished around the pill and hidden in a small bowl of 'untainted' liver. Nina Chris wrote: Tamara, you are right about the Pill Pockets… it does not work for all cats but if it does it is easy! The strays I was feeding would not take them but a little ball of ham, liverwurst, or anything sort of smelly—they wolfed up!
Re: Opinions wanted on Royal Canin v. Wellness please
That's adorable! Can you tell I like feisty animals? Another short story for your book? Huh? Hmm? Nina tamara stickler wrote: Here's and odd pill disguiser for you: Marshmellows! A friend of mine has a cat named Satan, (yeah, I know, but IF YOU ONLY KNEW HIM -the cat- YOU'D UNDERSTAND..the name is earned!), that could not be pilled. Oh, he'd stand on a freshly delivered pizza covered up to his knees in sauce and cheese, but he'd still find a pill hidden in cheese, pizza sauce, meat..etc...When one day he stole a bag of mini-marshmellows out of the drawer and curled up with them hissing and spittin whenever Angie came close to himand it dawned on herlittle marshmellows. Three years now and Satty gets his happy pill every morning...and there's a little less evil in the house. (But go easy on the candy...too much sugar's not good for a cat!) */Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED]/* wrote: Tamara, you are right about the Pill Pockets… it does not work for all cats but if it does it is easy! The strays I was feeding would not take them but a little ball of ham, liverwurst, or anything sort of smelly—they wolfed up! /*/Chris/*/ /*/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/*/ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *tamara stickler *Sent:* Thursday, June 23, 2005 3:51 PM *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Subject:* [Norton AntiSpam] Re: Opinions wanted on Royal Canin v. Wellness please Mari, For the record, Coebeio isn't Felv+, I don't know if that makes a difference, but it might, so I thought you should know. Ok, red dyes. That finding was just by trial and error. It finally occured to me that when I feed her something with red dye in it...she'd break out around the face and neck start vomittingnot right away...but within several hours...or a day. I tested that ...and I'm now very certain that that as well as the salmon, shrimp crab are all contributing factors to her break-outs. NOT that she doesn't have them anymore...because she does..but they are less frequent. Now I only feed her chemical free, human grade, no preservative, no antibotic added, free ranged-meat contained foods. It seems to be helping somewhat. As for canned food, Solid Gold seems the most palitable and best quality, healthiest, for Coebeio. They have a website where you can order directly: http://www.solidgoldhealth.com/ As for the allergiesMy vet is still trying to help me to figure it all out as well. Getting rid of the dyes in the food helped. Getting rid of corn in the food helped. Not burning scented candles, not using deoterizors in the carpet ...helpedtrying to limit stress has helped. But yes, she still gets breakouts...from time to time, and I just can't figure out why. What makes it worse is I haven't been able to get her to the vet in ..oh, three years or so. While she is an indoor cat, when she doesn't want to be caught...she can't be caught. You can't even get close enough to scruff her. I picked her up off the street as an adult, and the only reason I was able to then...is because she came willingly when I told her to get in the car. One thing I will mention tho...not to upset you, but just to keep an eye out for...if your cat is frequently going off food that he would eat for a few daysIs he urinating more as well? Is he drinking more? When is the last time you had blood work done? (My Quintapus started that...progressively picky eatingturned out his kidneys had started to fail.) Oh, and with all due respect to Chris, yes try the pill pockets (but they cost about $4-5 a pouch), but not one of my animals, or my extended family's animals will touch them. I used to hide pills in oyster meat, a little bit of tuna or white fish...scallops sardines (rinse the salt) make a nice disguise...or even spam-(but only use a little bit spam has a LOT of salt). Good luck. T */Mari Kolbe [EMAIL PROTECTED]/* wrote: T: Very interesting - how did you ascertain that it was the red dyes? I have long suspected that it was the dyes in the various foods that have caused many of mine to vomit their food so I have been not feeding anything that obviously has colored kibble in it. Are all the dyes marked as Red Dye #xx or are some of them disguised as other chemical names? How do Coebeio's allergies manifest themselves? We currently have a four year old cerebellar hypoplasia cat who is a manx mix totally blind epileptic (his identical sister is totally blind and deaf). He was fine up until about a year ago and then started digging around his face and neck - literally raw. We at first thought earmites and had him
RE: Re: Opinions wanted on Royal Canin v. Wellness please
Have you tried using Pill Pocketsthey are little mushy, gummy treats that are made like a pocket. You put pill in it then squish the treat around it. I think that the consistency smell prevent the cat from figuring out theres a pill in there. My guys generally like those. You can search on web for Pill Pockets to get the best price.. Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mari Kolbe Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2005 11:12 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Norton AntiSpam] Re: Opinions wanted on Royal Canin v. Wellness please T: Very interesting - how did you ascertain that it was the red dyes? I have long suspected that it was the dyes in the various foods that have caused many of mine to vomit their food so I have beennotfeeding anything that obviously has colored kibble in it. Are all the dyes marked as Red Dye #xx or are some of them disguised as other chemical names? How do Coebeio's allergies manifest themselves? We currently have afour year old cerebellar hypoplasia cat who isa manx mix totally blind epileptic (his identical sister is totally blind and deaf). He was fine upuntil about a year ago and then started digging around his face and neck - literally raw. We at first thought earmites andhad him checked. Allparasites, fleas, earmites - negative. Hisvet says food allergies and he has had a series of depo medrol injections which did nothing. Vet has had him on several of the different single source protein foods - no change. Currently he is on Royal Canins special allergydry food and we are not seeing any change. We have to feed him canned food as that is the only way to get his phenobarbitol into him for his seizures and we tried several different allergy canned foods. He will eat them a couple of days and then just stop eating - ANYTHING so we have gone back to canned cr** food to mix his meds in which I know is defeating the purpose. Any ideas on canned food that might be better for him that he will eat would be appreciated. He has to have the canned food for meds because while he only weighs 4#, being blind makes him totally freak if you try to administer meds to him any other way. And once he starts to panic, it brings on a seizure. (Little stinker won't eat the Eagle Pack canned and our Petco's quit carrying the Solid Gold which he would eat a few months ago...) Thanks again, T, for your input. /mari On 6/22/05, tamara stickler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mari, I feed Coebeio the hairball formula. She has horrible allergies, but it seems to be easy on her stomach and she likes it. Plus when Quintapus was alive, I bought it because it was low in phosphorous and he had CRF. Coey also eats the chicken, mixed in from time to time to keep her interest. A lot of cat foods have salmon or shell fish in them and oddly enough, Coebeio is allergic not to the grains, but to red food dye (which like the dyes in lipstick- comes from fish oil), salmon and shell fish. I also feed high quality cat canned food, such as : Solid Gold, Eagle pack, Merrick. Hope this helps. T Mari Kolbe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: T: Which Eagle Pack are you feeding? We have several with allergies and are having trouble finding a food that truly makes a difference. Someone gave me two different dry formula Eagle Pack foods and both had grains in them. Do you feed canned also? /mari (Spirit Cat) On 6/21/05, tamara stickler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kerry, Personally speaking, my cats did better on Wellness than Royal Canin. They like(d) both tho. I now feed Eagle Pack (because of Coebeio's allergies-she does better on it), BUT, I use other high quality cat foods, Wellness...Royal Canin, Wysong, Newmans, as treats instead of buying the more expensive cat treats that are basically just corn and by-products. Besides...two 6lb bags will last you12 months or more...for say...$20 total...when cat treats are what(?) $2 per pouch and that only lasts about a week. Just a thought. T -- /mari (SpiritCat) Until there are none, adopt one. SpiritCat and the Mooseheart Mumpkees of southeastern Texas [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- /mari (SpiritCat) Until there are none, adopt one. SpiritCat and the Mooseheart Mumpkees of southeastern Texas [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Opinions wanted on Royal Canin v. Wellness please
Mari, For the record, Coebeio isn't Felv+, I don't know if that makes a difference, but it might, so I thought you should know. Ok, red dyes. That finding was just by trial and error. It finally occured to me that when I feed her something with red dye in it...she'd break out around the face and neck start vomittingnot right away...but within several hours...or a day. I tested that ...and I'm now very certain that that as well as the salmon, shrimp crab are all contributing factors to her break-outs. NOT that she doesn't have them anymore...because she does..but they are less frequent. Now I only feed her chemical free, human grade, no preservative, no antibotic added, free ranged-meat contained foods. It seems to be helping somewhat. As for canned food, Solid Gold seems the most palitable and best quality, healthiest, for Coebeio. They have a website where you can order directly: http://www.solidgoldhealth.com/ As for the allergiesMy vet is still trying to help me to figure it all out as well. Getting rid of the dyes in the food helped. Getting rid of corn in the food helped. Not burning scented candles, not using deoterizors in the carpet ...helpedtrying to limit stress has helped. But yes, she still gets breakouts...from time to time, and I just can't figure out why. What makes it worse is I haven't been able to get her to the vet in ..oh, three years or so. While she is an indoor cat, when she doesn't want to be caught...she can't be caught. You can't even getclose enough to scruff her. I picked her up off the street as an adult, and the only reason I was able to then...is because she came willingly when I told her to get in the car. One thing I will mention tho...not to upset you, but just to keep an eye out for...if your cat is frequently going off food that he would eat for a few daysIs he urinating more as well? Is he drinking more? When is the last time you had blood work done? (My Quintapus started that...progressively "picky" eatingturned out his kidneys had started to fail.) Oh, and with all due respect to Chris, yes try the pill pockets (but they cost about $4-5 a pouch), but not one of my animals, or my extended family's animals will touch them. I used to hide pills in oyster meat, a little bit of tuna or white fish...scallops sardines (rinse the salt)make a nice disguise...or even spam-(but only use a little bit spam has a LOT of salt). Good luck. T Mari Kolbe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: T: Very interesting - how did you ascertain that it was the red dyes? I have long suspected that it was the dyes in the various foods that have caused many of mine to vomit their food so I have beennotfeeding anything that obviously has colored kibble in it. Are all the dyes marked as "Red Dye #xx" or are some of them disguised as other chemical names? How do Coebeio's allergies manifest themselves? We currently have afour year old cerebellar hypoplasia cat who isa manx mix totally blind epileptic (his identical sister is totally blind and deaf). He was fine upuntil about a year ago and then started digging around his face and neck - literally raw. We at first thought earmites andhad him checked. Allparasites, fleas, earmites - negative. Hisvet says food allergies and he has had a series of depo medrol injections which did nothing. Vet has had him on several of the different single source protein foods - no change. Currently he is on Royal Canins special allergydry food and we are not seeing any change. We have to feed him canned food as that is the only way to get his phenobarbitol into him for his seizures and we tried several different allergy canned foods. He will eat them a couple of days and then just stop eating - ANYTHING so we have gone back to canned cr** food to mix his meds in which I know is defeating the purpose. Any ideas on canned food that might be better for him that he will eat would be appreciated. He has to have the canned food for meds because while he only weighs 4#, being blind makes him totally freak if you try to administer meds to him any other way. And once he starts to panic, it brings on a seizure. (Little stinker won't eat the Eagle Pack canned and our Petco's quit carrying the Solid Gold which he would eat a few months ago...) Thanks again, T, for your input. /mari On 6/22/05, tamara stickler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mari, I feed Coebeio the hairball formula. She has horrible allergies, but it seems to be easy on her stomach and she likes it. Plus when Quintapus was alive, I bought it because it was low in phosphorous and he had CRF. Coey also eats the chicken, mixed in from time to time to keep her interest. A lot of cat foods have salmon or shell fish in them and oddly enough, Coebeio is allergic not to the grains, but to red food dye (which like the dyes in lipstick- comes from fish oil), salmon and shell fish. I also feed high quality cat canned food, such as : Solid Gold, Eagle pack, Merrick. Hope this helps. T Mari Kolbe
RE: Re: Opinions wanted on Royal Canin v. Wellness please
Tamara, you are right about the Pill Pockets it does not work for all cats but if it does it is easy! The strays I was feeding would not take them but a little ball of ham, liverwurst, or anything sort of smellythey wolfed up! Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of tamara stickler Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2005 3:51 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Norton AntiSpam] Re: Opinions wanted on Royal Canin v. Wellness please Mari, For the record, Coebeio isn't Felv+, I don't know if that makes a difference, but it might, so I thought you should know. Ok, red dyes. That finding was just by trial and error. It finally occured to me that when I feed her something with red dye in it...she'd break out around the face and neck start vomittingnot right away...but within several hours...or a day. I tested that ...and I'm now very certain that that as well as the salmon, shrimp crab are all contributing factors to her break-outs. NOT that she doesn't have them anymore...because she does..but they are less frequent. Now I only feed her chemical free, human grade, no preservative, no antibotic added, free ranged-meat contained foods. It seems to be helping somewhat. As for canned food, Solid Gold seems the most palitable and best quality, healthiest, for Coebeio. They have a website where you can order directly: http://www.solidgoldhealth.com/ As for the allergiesMy vet is still trying to help me to figure it all out as well. Getting rid of the dyes in the food helped. Getting rid of corn in the food helped. Not burning scented candles, not using deoterizors in the carpet ...helpedtrying to limit stress has helped. But yes, she still gets breakouts...from time to time, and I just can't figure out why. What makes it worse is I haven't been able to get her to the vet in ..oh, three years or so. While she is an indoor cat, when she doesn't want to be caught...she can't be caught. You can't even getclose enough to scruff her. I picked her up off the street as an adult, and the only reason I was able to then...is because she came willingly when I told her to get in the car. One thing I will mention tho...not to upset you, but just to keep an eye out for...if your cat is frequently going off food that he would eat for a few daysIs he urinating more as well? Is he drinking more? When is the last time you had blood work done? (My Quintapus started that...progressively picky eatingturned out his kidneys had started to fail.) Oh, and with all due respect to Chris, yes try the pill pockets (but they cost about $4-5 a pouch), but not one of my animals, or my extended family's animals will touch them. I used to hide pills in oyster meat, a little bit of tuna or white fish...scallops sardines (rinse the salt)make a nice disguise...or even spam-(but only use a little bit spam has a LOT of salt). Good luck. T Mari Kolbe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: T: Very interesting - how did you ascertain that it was the red dyes? I have long suspected that it was the dyes in the various foods that have caused many of mine to vomit their food so I have beennotfeeding anything that obviously has colored kibble in it. Are all the dyes marked as Red Dye #xx or are some of them disguised as other chemical names? How do Coebeio's allergies manifest themselves? We currently have afour year old cerebellar hypoplasia cat who isa manx mix totally blind epileptic (his identical sister is totally blind and deaf). He was fine upuntil about a year ago and then started digging around his face and neck - literally raw. We at first thought earmites andhad him checked. Allparasites, fleas, earmites - negative. Hisvet says food allergies and he has had a series of depo medrol injections which did nothing. Vet has had him on several of the different single source protein foods - no change. Currently he is on Royal Canins special allergydry food and we are not seeing any change. We have to feed him canned food as that is the only way to get his phenobarbitol into him for his seizures and we tried several different allergy canned foods. He will eat them a couple of days and then just stop eating - ANYTHING so we have gone back to canned cr** food to mix his meds in which I know is defeating the purpose. Any ideas on canned food that might be better for him that he will eat would be appreciated. He has to have the canned food for meds because while he only weighs 4#, being blind makes him totally freak if you try to administer meds to him any other way. And once he starts to panic, it brings on a seizure. (Little stinker won't eat the Eagle Pack canned and our Petco's quit carrying the Solid Gold which he would eat a few months ago...) Thanks again, T, for your input. /mari
Re: Opinions wanted on Royal Canin v. Wellness please
The only problem with Triumph is that it has a high phosphorous content. (NOT good for older kitties, or cats prone to kidney problems.) Just an FYI. Gloria Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey, I'll try it. Been looking around for something to order or buy locally. Thanks so much! GloriaOn Jun 21, 2005, at 4:41 PM, Nina wrote: My guys stuck their noses up at Wellness too. I just bought Triumph canned and my guys seem to like every flavor so far. It doesn't contain meat by-products, or veggies, but it does have rice flour and guar gum. Nina Gloria Lane wrote: I just tried Eagle Pack, but again, having trouble getting my guys to eat it! Any suggestions? Gloria On Jun 21, 2005, at 12:51 PM, tamara stickler wrote: Kerry, Personally speaking, my cats did better on Wellness than Royal Canin. They like(d) both tho. I now feed Eagle Pack (because of Coebeio's allergies-she does better on it), BUT, I use other high quality cat foods, Wellness...Royal Canin, Wysong, Newmans, as treats instead of buying the more expensive cat "treats" that are basically just corn and by-products. Besides...two 6lb bags will last you 12 months or more...for say...$20 total...when cat treats are what(?) $2 per pouch and that only lasts about a week. Just a thought. T Hideyo Yamamoto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: Kerry my friend is in the distribution business for natural pet food and she knows lots of about lots of different food I will give her a call and ask her about your question. Hideyo From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:Felvtalk- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of MacKenzie, Kerry N. Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2005 10:54 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Opinions wanted on Royal Canin v. Wellness please Hi all Does anyone have any opinion on the quality of Royal Canin dry cat food v. eg Wellness (or for that matter the new Evo)? My vet was extolling its and the company's virtues when I saw him recently and gave me a gratis 6lb bag for my FeLV kitties. (The dry they eat just now is Wellness and all my cats love it so much, and it seems to be doing them good, I'm almost loathe to try them on something else. But I could use a 6lb free bag.) If you guys think Royal Canin quality is as good as Wellness I will mix it in. If not, I'll pass it on to a shelter. Actually I just went on the web and here are the listed ingreds for both. Wellness looks superior. As an aside, my vet was very impressed by the following Royal Canin RD. Am I being just too cynical in thinking it's "toys for the boys" syndrome? Anyway, if anyone has any comments I'd love to hear them. I'm continually trying to educate myself on kitty nutrition. Thanks! Kerry Finding the Perfect Kibble Research Indicates: The size, shape and power of a cat's jaw depend on its age, breed and state of health. Nutritional Breakthroughs: Scientific and mechanical studies of kibble texture and elasticity led to the use of a Texturometer. This innovation determines kibble size, shape and thickness as well as elasticity and degree of penetration required for breakage. All contribute to producing the perfect kibble for each cat. Ingredients listed for Royal Canin dry: Chicken meal, brewers rice, corn gluten meal, chicken, corn, chicken fat (preserved with mixed tocopherols), pea fiber, beet pulp, chicken flavor, powdered cellulose, fish oil, dried egg products, brewers yeast, sodium bisulfate, potassium chloride, calcium carbonate, choline chloride, DL-methionine, taurine, natural antioxidant, iron proteinate, vitamin A acetate, vitamin D3 supplement, vitamin E supplement, zinc oxide, zinc proteinate, ferrous sulfate, manganese oxide, calcium pantothenate, manganese proteinate, niacin supplement, copper sulfate, riboflavin supplement, pyridoxine hydrochloride, thiamine mononitrate, copper proteinate, calcium iodate, folic acid, biotin, sodium selenite, vitamin B12 supplement. Guaranteed Analysis for Royal Canin dry: Crude Protein Not less than 32% Crude Fat Not less than 13% Crude Fiber Not more than 4% Moisture Not more than 10% Magnesium Not more than 0.095% Taurine Not less than 0.15% Omega 6* Not less than 1.9% Omega 3* Not less than 0.43% Calories (kcal/cup) 316 Ingredents listed for Wellness dry: Salmon, Deboned Turkey, Herring Meal, Salmon Meal, Menhaden Fishmeal, Ground Whole Oats, Brown Rice, Dried Whole Eggs, Dried Peas, Canola Oil (Preserved With Mixed Tocopherols), Herring Oil, Chicken Liver, Flaxseed, Cranberries, Blueberries, Taurine, Garlic, Alfalfa Leaf, Dried Kelp, Whole Ground Apples, Whole Ground Sweet Potatoes, Steamed Zucchini, Yucca Schidigera, Chicory Extract, Beta Carotene, Lactobacillus Plantarum, Enterococcus Faecium, Lactobacillus Casei, Lactobacillus Acidophilus, Choline Chloride, Calcium Carbonate, Zinc Proteinate (a chelated source of Zinc), Vitamin E supplement, Zinc Oxide, Ferrous Sulfate, Iron Proteinate (a chelated source of Iron), Manganese Proteinate (a chelated source of Manganese), Calcium
Re: Opinions wanted on Royal Canin v. Wellness please
T: Which Eagle Pack are you feeding? We have several with allergies and are having trouble finding a food that truly makes a difference. Someone gave me two different dry formula Eagle Pack foods and both had grains in them. Do you feed canned also? /mari (Spirit Cat) On 6/21/05, tamara stickler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kerry, Personally speaking, my cats did better on Wellness than Royal Canin. They like(d) both tho. I now feed Eagle Pack (because of Coebeio's allergies-she does better on it), BUT, I use other high quality cat foods, Wellness...Royal Canin, Wysong, Newmans, as treats instead of buying the more expensive cat treats that are basically just corn and by-products. Besides...two 6lb bags will last you12 months or more...for say...$20 total...when cat treats are what(?) $2 per pouch and that only lasts about a week. Just a thought. T -- /mari (SpiritCat)Until there are none, adopt one.SpiritCat and the Mooseheart Mumpkeesof southeastern Texas [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Opinions wanted on Royal Canin v. Wellness please
Mari, I feed Coebeio the hairball formula. She has horrible allergies, but it seems to be easy on her stomach and she likes it. Plus when Quintapus was alive, I bought it because it was low in phosphorous and he had CRF. Coey also eats the chicken, mixed in from time to time to keep her interest. A lot of cat foods have salmon or shell fish in them and oddly enough, Coebeio is allergic not to the grains, but to red food dye (which like the dyes in lipstick- comes from fish oil), salmon and shell fish. I also feed high quality cat canned food, such as : Solid Gold, Eagle pack, Merrick. Hope this helps. TMari Kolbe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: T: Which Eagle Pack are you feeding? We have several with allergies and are having trouble finding a food that truly makes a difference. Someone gave me two different dry formula Eagle Pack foods and both had grains in them. Do you feed canned also? /mari (Spirit Cat) On 6/21/05, tamara stickler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kerry, Personally speaking, my cats did better on Wellness than Royal Canin. They like(d) both tho. I now feed Eagle Pack (because of Coebeio's allergies-she does better on it), BUT, I use other high quality cat foods, Wellness...Royal Canin, Wysong, Newmans, as treats instead of buying the more expensive cat "treats" that are basically just corn and by-products. Besides...two 6lb bags will last you12 months or more...for say...$20 total...when cat treats are what(?) $2 per pouch and that only lasts about a week. Just a thought. T -- /mari (SpiritCat)Until there are none, adopt one.SpiritCat and the Mooseheart Mumpkeesof southeastern Texas[EMAIL PROTECTED]__Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
RE: Opinions wanted on Royal Canin v. Wellness please
Title: Opinions wanted on Royal Canin v. Wellness please Kerry my friend is in the distribution business for natural pet food and she knows lots of about lots of different food I will give her a call and ask her about your question. Hideyo From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of MacKenzie, Kerry N. Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2005 10:54 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Opinions wanted on Royal Canin v. Wellness please Hi all Does anyone have any opinion on the quality of Royal Canin dry cat food v. eg Wellness (or for that matter the new Evo)? My vet was extolling its and the company's virtues when I saw him recently and gave me a gratis 6lb bag for my FeLV kitties. (The dry they eat just now is Wellness and all my cats love it so much, and it seems to be doing them good, I'm almost loathe to try them on something else. But I could use a 6lb free bag.) If you guys think Royal Canin quality is as good as Wellness I will mix it in. If not, I'll pass it on to a shelter. Actually I just went on the web and here are the listed ingreds for both. Wellness looks superior. As an aside, my vet was very impressed by the following Royal Canin RD. Am I being just too cynical in thinking it's toys for the boys syndrome? Anyway, if anyone has any comments I'd love to hear them. I'm continually trying to educate myself on kitty nutrition. Thanks! Kerry Finding the Perfect Kibble Research Indicates: The size, shape and power of a cat's jaw depend on its age, breed and state of health. Nutritional Breakthroughs: Scientific and mechanical studies of kibble texture and elasticity led to the use of a Texturometer. This innovation determines kibble size, shape and thickness as well as elasticity and degree of penetration required for breakage. All contribute to producing the perfect kibble for each cat. Ingredients listed for Royal Canin dry: Chicken meal, brewers rice, corn gluten meal, chicken, corn, chicken fat (preserved with mixed tocopherols), pea fiber, beet pulp, chicken flavor, powdered cellulose, fish oil, dried egg products, brewers yeast, sodium bisulfate, potassium chloride, calcium carbonate, choline chloride, DL-methionine, taurine, natural antioxidant, iron proteinate, vitamin A acetate, vitamin D3 supplement, vitamin E supplement, zinc oxide, zinc proteinate, ferrous sulfate, manganese oxide, calcium pantothenate, manganese proteinate, niacin supplement, copper sulfate, riboflavin supplement, pyridoxine hydrochloride, thiamine mononitrate, copper proteinate, calcium iodate, folic acid, biotin, sodium selenite, vitamin B12 supplement. Guaranteed Analysis for Royal Canin dry: Crude Protein Not less than 32% Crude Fat Not less than 13% Crude Fiber Not more than 4% Moisture Not more than 10% Magnesium Not more than 0.095% Taurine Not less than 0.15% Omega 6* Not less than 1.9% Omega 3* Not less than 0.43% Calories (kcal/cup) 316 Ingredents listed for Wellness dry: Salmon, Deboned Turkey, Herring Meal, Salmon Meal, Menhaden Fishmeal, Ground Whole Oats, Brown Rice, Dried Whole Eggs, Dried Peas, Canola Oil (Preserved With Mixed Tocopherols), Herring Oil, Chicken Liver, Flaxseed, Cranberries, Blueberries, Taurine, Garlic, Alfalfa Leaf, Dried Kelp, Whole Ground Apples, Whole Ground Sweet Potatoes, Steamed Zucchini, Yucca Schidigera, Chicory Extract, Beta Carotene, Lactobacillus Plantarum, Enterococcus Faecium, Lactobacillus Casei, Lactobacillus Acidophilus, Choline Chloride, Calcium Carbonate, Zinc Proteinate (a chelated source of Zinc), Vitamin E supplement, Zinc Oxide, Ferrous Sulfate, Iron Proteinate (a chelated source of Iron), Manganese Proteinate (a chelated source of Manganese), Calcium Proteinate (a chelated source of Calcium), Niacin Supplement, Sodium Selenite, Vitamin A Acetate, Folic Acid, Cobalt Proteinate (a chelated source of Cobalt), Copper Sulfate, Cobalt Carbonate, Riboflavin Supplement (Vitamin B-2), Copper Proteinate (a chelated source of Copper), Thiamin Mononitrate (Vitamin B-1), Vitamin D-3 Supplement, Calcium Iodate, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride, Menadione Sodium Bisulfite Complex (Source of Vitamin K activity). Guaranteed Analysis for Wellness dry: Crude Protein Not Less Than 33.0% Crude Fat Not Less Than 19.0% Crude Fiber Not More Than 5.0% Moisture Not More Than 10.0% Ash Not More Than 6.0% Magnesium Not More Than 0.10% Taurine Not Less Than 0.18% Omega-6 (Linoleic Acid) Not Less Than 3.5% Omega-3 (Linolenic Acid) Not Less Than 1.1%* * Not recognized as an essential nutrient by the AAFCO Cat Food Nutrient Profile Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP is moving our Chicago office to the Hyatt Center, 71 S. Wacker Drive, Chicago, Illinois 60606. Email addresses, telephone numbers, and facsimile numbers remain unchanged. For more information, click the link below or copy / paste the link into the address bar of your Web browser: http://www.mayerbrownrowe.com/chicago/move.asp Please
RE: Opinions wanted on Royal Canin v. Wellness please
Title: Message Thanks Hideyo! -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hideyo YamamotoSent: Tuesday, June 21, 2005 11:57 AMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: RE: Opinions wanted on Royal Canin v. Wellness please Kerry my friend is in the distribution business for natural pet food and she knows lots of about lots of different food I will give her a call and ask her about your question. Hideyo From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of MacKenzie, Kerry N.Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2005 10:54 AMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Opinions wanted on Royal Canin v. Wellness please Hi all Does anyone have any opinion on the quality of Royal Canin dry cat food v. eg Wellness (or for that matter the new Evo)? My vet was extolling its and the company's virtues when I saw him recently and gave me a gratis 6lb bag for my FeLV kitties. (The dry they eat just now is Wellness and all my cats love it so much, and it seems to be doing them good, I'm almost loathe to try them on something else. But I could use a 6lb free bag.) If you guys think Royal Canin quality is as good as Wellness I will mix it in. If not, I'll pass it on to a shelter. Actually I just went on the web and here are the listed ingreds for both. Wellness looks superior. As an aside, my vet was very impressed by the following Royal Canin RD. Am I being just too cynical in thinking it's "toys for the boys" syndrome? Anyway, if anyone has any comments I'd love to hear them. I'm continually trying to educate myself on kitty nutrition. Thanks! Kerry Finding the Perfect Kibble Research Indicates: The size, shape and power of a cat's jaw depend on its age, breed and state of health. Nutritional Breakthroughs: Scientific and mechanical studies of kibble texture and elasticity led to the use of a Texturometer. This innovation determines kibble size, shape and thickness as well as elasticity and degree of penetration required for breakage. All contribute to producing the perfect kibble for each cat. Ingredients listed for Royal Canin dry: Chicken meal, brewers rice, corn gluten meal, chicken, corn, chicken fat (preserved with mixed tocopherols), pea fiber, beet pulp, chicken flavor, powdered cellulose, fish oil, dried egg products, brewers yeast, sodium bisulfate, potassium chloride, calcium carbonate, choline chloride, DL-methionine, taurine, natural antioxidant, iron proteinate, vitamin A acetate, vitamin D3 supplement, vitamin E supplement, zinc oxide, zinc proteinate, ferrous sulfate, manganese oxide, calcium pantothenate, manganese proteinate, niacin supplement, copper sulfate, riboflavin supplement, pyridoxine hydrochloride, thiamine mononitrate, copper proteinate, calcium iodate, folic acid, biotin, sodium selenite, vitamin B12 supplement. Guaranteed Analysis for Royal Canin dry: Crude Protein Not less than 32% Crude Fat Not less than 13% Crude Fiber Not more than 4% Moisture Not more than 10% Magnesium Not more than 0.095% Taurine Not less than 0.15% Omega 6* Not less than 1.9% Omega 3* Not less than 0.43% Calories (kcal/cup) 316 Ingredents listed for Wellness dry: Salmon, Deboned Turkey, Herring Meal, Salmon Meal, Menhaden Fishmeal, Ground Whole Oats, Brown Rice, Dried Whole Eggs, Dried Peas, Canola Oil (Preserved With Mixed Tocopherols), Herring Oil, Chicken Liver, Flaxseed, Cranberries, Blueberries, Taurine, Garlic, Alfalfa Leaf, Dried Kelp, Whole Ground Apples, Whole Ground Sweet Potatoes, Steamed Zucchini, Yucca Schidigera, Chicory Extract, Beta Carotene, Lactobacillus Plantarum, Enterococcus Faecium, Lactobacillus Casei, Lactobacillus Acidophilus, Choline Chloride, Calcium Carbonate, Zinc Proteinate (a chelated source of Zinc), Vitamin E supplement, Zinc Oxide, Ferrous Sulfate, Iron Proteinate (a chelated source of Iron), Manganese Proteinate (a chelated source of Manganese), Calcium Proteinate (a chelated source of Calcium), Niacin Supplement, Sodium Selenite, Vitamin A Acetate, Folic Acid, Cobalt Proteinate (a chelated source of Cobalt), Copper Sulfate, Cobalt Carbonate, Riboflavin Supplement (Vitamin B-2), Copper Proteinate (a chelated source of Copper), Thiamin Mononitrate (Vitamin B-1), Vitamin D-3 Supplement, Calcium Iodate, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride, Menadione Sodium Bisulfite Complex (Source of Vitamin K activity). Guaranteed Analysis for Wellness dry: Crude Protein Not Less Than 33.0% Crude Fat Not Less Than 19.0% Crude Fiber Not More Than 5.0% Moisture Not More Than 10.0% Ash Not More Than 6.0% Magnesium Not More Than 0.10% Taurine Not Less Than 0.18% Omega-6 (Linoleic Acid) Not Less Than 3.5% Omega-3 (Linolenic Acid) Not Less Than 1.1%* * Not recognized as an essential nutrient by the AAFCO Cat Food Nutrient Profile Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP is moving our Chicago office to the Hyatt Center, 71 S. Wacker Drive, Chicago, Illin
RE: Opinions wanted on Royal Canin v. Wellness please
Kerry, Personally speaking, my cats did better on Wellness than Royal Canin. They like(d) both tho. I now feed Eagle Pack (because of Coebeio's allergies-she does better on it), BUT, I use other high quality cat foods, Wellness...Royal Canin, Wysong, Newmans, as treats instead of buying the more expensive cat "treats" that are basically just corn and by-products. Besides...two 6lb bags will last you12 months or more...for say...$20 total...when cat treats are what(?) $2 per pouch and that only lasts about a week. Just a thought. THideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kerry my friend is in the distribution business for natural pet food and she knows lots of about lots of different food I will give her a call and ask her about your question. Hideyo From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of MacKenzie, Kerry N.Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2005 10:54 AMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Opinions wanted on Royal Canin v. Wellness please Hi all Does anyone have any opinion on the quality of Royal Canin dry cat food v. eg Wellness (or for that matter the new Evo)? My vet was extolling its and the company's virtues when I saw him recently and gave me a gratis 6lb bag for my FeLV kitties. (The dry they eat just now is Wellness and all my cats love it so much, and it seems to be doing them good, I'm almost loathe to try them on something else. But I could use a 6lb free bag.) If you guys think Royal Canin quality is as good as Wellness I will mix it in. If not, I'll pass it on to a shelter. Actually I just went on the web and here are the listed ingreds for both. Wellness looks superior. As an aside, my vet was very impressed by the following Royal Canin RD. Am I being just too cynical in thinking it's "toys for the boys" syndrome? Anyway, if anyone has any comments I'd love to hear them. I'm continually trying to educate myself on kitty nutrition. Thanks! Kerry Finding the Perfect Kibble Research Indicates: The size, shape and power of a cat's jaw depend on its age, breed and state of health. Nutritional Breakthroughs: Scientific and mechanical studies of kibble texture and elasticity led to the use of a Texturometer. This innovation determines kibble size, shape and thickness as well as elasticity and degree of penetration required for breakage. All contribute to producing the perfect kibble for each cat. Ingredients listed for Royal Canin dry: Chicken meal, brewers rice, corn gluten meal, chicken, corn, chicken fat (preserved with mixed tocopherols), pea fiber, beet pulp, chicken flavor, powdered cellulose, fish oil, dried egg products, brewers yeast, sodium bisulfate, potassium chloride, calcium carbonate, choline chloride, DL-methionine, taurine, natural antioxidant, iron proteinate, vitamin A acetate, vitamin D3 supplement, vitamin E supplement, zinc oxide, zinc proteinate, ferrous sulfate, manganese oxide, calcium pantothenate, manganese proteinate, niacin supplement, copper sulfate, riboflavin supplement, pyridoxine hydrochloride, thiamine mononitrate, copper proteinate, calcium iodate, folic acid, biotin, sodium selenite, vitamin B12 supplement. Guaranteed Analysis for Royal Canin dry: Crude Protein Not less than 32% Crude Fat Not less than 13% Crude Fiber Not more than 4% Moisture Not more than 10% Magnesium Not more than 0.095% Taurine Not less than 0.15% Omega 6* Not less than 1.9% Omega 3* Not less than 0.43% Calories (kcal/cup) 316 Ingredents listed for Wellness dry: Salmon, Deboned Turkey, Herring Meal, Salmon Meal, Menhaden Fishmeal, Ground Whole Oats, Brown Rice, Dried Whole Eggs, Dried Peas, Canola Oil (Preserved With Mixed Tocopherols), Herring Oil, Chicken Liver, Flaxseed, Cranberries, Blueberries, Taurine, Garlic, Alfalfa Leaf, Dried Kelp, Whole Ground Apples, Whole Ground Sweet Potatoes, Steamed Zucchini, Yucca Schidigera, Chicory Extract, Beta Carotene, Lactobacillus Plantarum, Enterococcus Faecium, Lactobacillus Casei, Lactobacillus Acidophilus, Choline Chloride, Calcium Carbonate, Zinc Proteinate (a chelated source of Zinc), Vitamin E supplement, Zinc Oxide, Ferrous Sulfate, Iron Proteinate (a chelated source of Iron), Manganese Proteinate (a chelated source of Manganese), Calcium Proteinate (a chelated source of Calcium), Niacin Supplement, Sodium Selenite, Vitamin A Acetate, Folic Acid, Cobalt Proteinate (a chelated source of Cobalt), Copper Sulfate, Cobalt Carbonate, Riboflavin Supplement (Vitamin B-2), Copper Proteinate (a chelated source of Copper), Thiamin Mononitrate (Vitamin B-1), Vitamin D-3 Supplement, Calcium Iodate, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride, Menadione Sodium Bisulfite Complex (Source of Vitamin K activity). Guaranteed Analysis for Wellness dry: Crude Protein Not Less Than 33.0% Crude Fat Not Less Than 19.0% Crude Fiber Not More Than 5.0% Moisture Not More Than 10.0% Ash Not More Than 6.0% Magnesium Not More Than 0.10% Taurine Not Less Than 0.18% Omega-6 (Linoleic Acid) Not Less Than 3.5% Omega-3 (Linolenic Acid) Not
Re: Opinions wanted on Royal Canin v. Wellness please
I've always had trouble getting my cats to eat Wellness.Gloria On Jun 21, 2005, at 11:54 AM, MacKenzie, Kerry N. wrote: Hi all Does anyone have any opinion on the quality of Royal Canin dry cat food v. eg Wellness (or for that matter the new Evo)? My vet was extolling its and the company's virtues when I saw him recently and gave me a gratis 6lb bag for my FeLV kitties. (The dry they eat just now is Wellness and all my cats love it so much, and it seems to be doing them good, I'm almost loathe to try them on something else. But I could use a 6lb free bag.) If you guys think Royal Canin quality is as good as Wellness I will mix it in. If not, I'll pass it on to a shelter. Actually I just went on the web and here are the listed ingreds for both. Wellness looks superior. As an aside, my vet was very impressed by the following Royal Canin RD. Am I being just too cynical in thinking it's toys for the boys syndrome? Anyway, if anyone has any comments I'd love to hear them. I'm continually trying to educate myself on kitty nutrition. Thanks! Kerry Finding the Perfect Kibble Research Indicates: The size, shape and power of a cat's jaw depend on its age, breed and state of health. Nutritional Breakthroughs: Scientific and mechanical studies of kibble texture and elasticity led to the use of a Texturometer. This innovation determines kibble size, shape and thickness as well as elasticity and degree of penetration required for breakage. All contribute to producing the perfect kibble for each cat. Ingredients listed for Royal Canin dry: Chicken meal, brewers rice, corn gluten meal, chicken, corn, chicken fat (preserved with mixed tocopherols), pea fiber, beet pulp, chicken flavor, powdered cellulose, fish oil, dried egg products, brewers yeast, sodium bisulfate, potassium chloride, calcium carbonate, choline chloride, DL-methionine, taurine, natural antioxidant, iron proteinate, vitamin A acetate, vitamin D3 supplement, vitamin E supplement, zinc oxide, zinc proteinate, ferrous sulfate, manganese oxide, calcium pantothenate, manganese proteinate, niacin supplement, copper sulfate, riboflavin supplement, pyridoxine hydrochloride, thiamine mononitrate, copper proteinate, calcium iodate, folic acid, biotin, sodium selenite, vitamin B12 supplement. Guaranteed Analysis for Royal Canin dry: Crude Protein Not less than 32% Crude Fat Not less than 13% Crude Fiber Not more than 4% Moisture Not more than 10% Magnesium Not more than 0.095% Taurine Not less than 0.15% Omega 6* Not less than 1.9% Omega 3* Not less than 0.43% Calories (kcal/cup) 316 Ingredents listed for Wellness dry: Salmon, Deboned Turkey, Herring Meal, Salmon Meal, Menhaden Fishmeal, Ground Whole Oats, Brown Rice, Dried Whole Eggs, Dried Peas, Canola Oil (Preserved With Mixed Tocopherols), Herring Oil, Chicken Liver, Flaxseed, Cranberries, Blueberries, Taurine, Garlic, Alfalfa Leaf, Dried Kelp, Whole Ground Apples, Whole Ground Sweet Potatoes, Steamed Zucchini, Yucca Schidigera, Chicory Extract, Beta Carotene, Lactobacillus Plantarum, Enterococcus Faecium, Lactobacillus Casei, Lactobacillus Acidophilus, Choline Chloride, Calcium Carbonate, Zinc Proteinate (a chelated source of Zinc), Vitamin E supplement, Zinc Oxide, Ferrous Sulfate, Iron Proteinate (a chelated source of Iron), Manganese Proteinate (a chelated source of Manganese), Calcium Proteinate (a chelated source of Calcium), Niacin Supplement, Sodium Selenite, Vitamin A Acetate, Folic Acid, Cobalt Proteinate (a chelated source of Cobalt), Copper Sulfate, Cobalt Carbonate, Riboflavin Supplement (Vitamin B-2), Copper Proteinate (a chelated source of Copper), Thiamin Mononitrate (Vitamin B-1), Vitamin D-3 Supplement, Calcium Iodate, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride, Menadione Sodium Bisulfite Complex (Source of Vitamin K activity). Guaranteed Analysis for Wellness dry: Crude Protein Not Less Than 33.0% Crude Fat Not Less Than 19.0% Crude Fiber Not More Than 5.0% Moisture Not More Than 10.0% Ash Not More Than 6.0% Magnesium Not More Than 0.10% Taurine Not Less Than 0.18% Omega-6 (Linoleic Acid) Not Less Than 3.5% Omega-3 (Linolenic Acid) Not Less Than 1.1%* * Not recognized as an essential nutrient by the AAFCO Cat Food Nutrient Profile Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP is moving our Chicago office to the Hyatt Center, 71 S. Wacker Drive, Chicago, Illinois 60606. Email addresses, telephone numbers, and facsimile numbers remain unchanged. For more information, click the link below or copy / paste the link into the address bar of your Web browser: http://www.mayerbrownrowe.com/chicago/move.asp Please Note: Some administrative functions will be located at 230 S. LaSalle, Chicago IL, 60604. IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed above as to tax matters was neither written nor intended by the sender or Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw
Re: Opinions wanted on Royal Canin v. Wellness please
I just tried Eagle Pack, but again, having trouble getting my guys to eat it! Any suggestions? Gloria On Jun 21, 2005, at 12:51 PM, tamara stickler wrote: Kerry, Personally speaking, my cats did better on Wellness than Royal Canin. They like(d) both tho. I now feed Eagle Pack (because of Coebeio's allergies-she does better on it), BUT, I use other high quality cat foods, Wellness...Royal Canin, Wysong, Newmans, as treats instead of buying the more expensive cat treats that are basically just corn and by-products. Besides...two 6lb bags will last you 12 months or more...for say...$20 total...when cat treats are what(?) $2 per pouch and that only lasts about a week. Just a thought. T Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kerry – my friend is in the distribution business for natural pet food and she knows lots of about lots of different food – I will give her a call and ask her about your question. Hideyo From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:Felvtalk- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of MacKenzie, Kerry N. Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2005 10:54 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Opinions wanted on Royal Canin v. Wellness please Hi all Does anyone have any opinion on the quality of Royal Canin dry cat food v. eg Wellness (or for that matter the new Evo)? My vet was extolling its and the company's virtues when I saw him recently and gave me a gratis 6lb bag for my FeLV kitties. (The dry they eat just now is Wellness and all my cats love it so much, and it seems to be doing them good, I'm almost loathe to try them on something else. But I could use a 6lb free bag.) If you guys think Royal Canin quality is as good as Wellness I will mix it in. If not, I'll pass it on to a shelter. Actually I just went on the web and here are the listed ingreds for both. Wellness looks superior. As an aside, my vet was very impressed by the following Royal Canin RD. Am I being just too cynical in thinking it's toys for the boys syndrome? Anyway, if anyone has any comments I'd love to hear them. I'm continually trying to educate myself on kitty nutrition. Thanks! Kerry Finding the Perfect Kibble Research Indicates: The size, shape and power of a cat's jaw depend on its age, breed and state of health. Nutritional Breakthroughs: Scientific and mechanical studies of kibble texture and elasticity led to the use of a Texturometer. This innovation determines kibble size, shape and thickness as well as elasticity and degree of penetration required for breakage. All contribute to producing the perfect kibble for each cat. Ingredients listed for Royal Canin dry: Chicken meal, brewers rice, corn gluten meal, chicken, corn, chicken fat (preserved with mixed tocopherols), pea fiber, beet pulp, chicken flavor, powdered cellulose, fish oil, dried egg products, brewers yeast, sodium bisulfate, potassium chloride, calcium carbonate, choline chloride, DL-methionine, taurine, natural antioxidant, iron proteinate, vitamin A acetate, vitamin D3 supplement, vitamin E supplement, zinc oxide, zinc proteinate, ferrous sulfate, manganese oxide, calcium pantothenate, manganese proteinate, niacin supplement, copper sulfate, riboflavin supplement, pyridoxine hydrochloride, thiamine mononitrate, copper proteinate, calcium iodate, folic acid, biotin, sodium selenite, vitamin B12 supplement. Guaranteed Analysis for Royal Canin dry: Crude Protein Not less than 32% Crude Fat Not less than 13% Crude Fiber Not more than 4% Moisture Not more than 10% Magnesium Not more than 0.095% Taurine Not less than 0.15% Omega 6* Not less than 1.9% Omega 3* Not less than 0.43% Calories (kcal/cup) 316 Ingredents listed for Wellness dry: Salmon, Deboned Turkey, Herring Meal, Salmon Meal, Menhaden Fishmeal, Ground Whole Oats, Brown Rice, Dried Whole Eggs, Dried Peas, Canola Oil (Preserved With Mixed Tocopherols), Herring Oil, Chicken Liver, Flaxseed, Cranberries, Blueberries, Taurine, Garlic, Alfalfa Leaf, Dried Kelp, Whole Ground Apples, Whole Ground Sweet Potatoes, Steamed Zucchini, Yucca Schidigera, Chicory Extract, Beta Carotene, Lactobacillus Plantarum, Enterococcus Faecium, Lactobacillus Casei, Lactobacillus Acidophilus, Choline Chloride, Calcium Carbonate, Zinc Proteinate (a chelated source of Zinc), Vitamin E supplement, Zinc Oxide, Ferrous Sulfate, Iron Proteinate (a chelated source of Iron), Manganese Proteinate (a chelated source of Manganese), Calcium Proteinate (a chelated source of Calcium), Niacin Supplement, Sodium Selenite, Vitamin A Acetate, Folic Acid, Cobalt Proteinate (a chelated source of Cobalt), Copper Sulfate, Cobalt Carbonate, Riboflavin Supplement (Vitamin B-2), Copper Proteinate (a chelated source of Copper), Thiamin Mononitrate (Vitamin B-1), Vitamin D-3 Supplement, Calcium Iodate, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride, Menadione Sodium Bisulfite Complex (Source of Vitamin K activity). Guaranteed Analysis for
Re: Opinions wanted on Royal Canin v. Wellness please
My guys stuck their noses up at Wellness too. I just bought Triumph canned and my guys seem to like every flavor so far. It doesn't contain meat by-products, or veggies, but it does have rice flour and guar gum. Nina Gloria Lane wrote: I just tried Eagle Pack, but again, having trouble getting my guys to eat it! Any suggestions? Gloria On Jun 21, 2005, at 12:51 PM, tamara stickler wrote: Kerry, Personally speaking, my cats did better on Wellness than Royal Canin. They like(d) both tho. I now feed Eagle Pack (because of Coebeio's allergies-she does better on it), BUT, I use other high quality cat foods, Wellness...Royal Canin, Wysong, Newmans, as treats instead of buying the more expensive cat treats that are basically just corn and by-products. Besides...two 6lb bags will last you 12 months or more...for say...$20 total...when cat treats are what(?) $2 per pouch and that only lasts about a week. Just a thought. T Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kerry – my friend is in the distribution business for natural pet food and she knows lots of about lots of different food – I will give her a call and ask her about your question. Hideyo From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:Felvtalk- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of MacKenzie, Kerry N. Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2005 10:54 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Opinions wanted on Royal Canin v. Wellness please Hi all Does anyone have any opinion on the quality of Royal Canin dry cat food v. eg Wellness (or for that matter the new Evo)? My vet was extolling its and the company's virtues when I saw him recently and gave me a gratis 6lb bag for my FeLV kitties. (The dry they eat just now is Wellness and all my cats love it so much, and it seems to be doing them good, I'm almost loathe to try them on something else. But I could use a 6lb free bag.) If you guys think Royal Canin quality is as good as Wellness I will mix it in. If not, I'll pass it on to a shelter. Actually I just went on the web and here are the listed ingreds for both. Wellness looks superior. As an aside, my vet was very impressed by the following Royal Canin RD. Am I being just too cynical in thinking it's toys for the boys syndrome? Anyway, if anyone has any comments I'd love to hear them. I'm continually trying to educate myself on kitty nutrition. Thanks! Kerry Finding the Perfect Kibble Research Indicates: The size, shape and power of a cat's jaw depend on its age, breed and state of health. Nutritional Breakthroughs: Scientific and mechanical studies of kibble texture and elasticity led to the use of a Texturometer. This innovation determines kibble size, shape and thickness as well as elasticity and degree of penetration required for breakage. All contribute to producing the perfect kibble for each cat. Ingredients listed for Royal Canin dry: Chicken meal, brewers rice, corn gluten meal, chicken, corn, chicken fat (preserved with mixed tocopherols), pea fiber, beet pulp, chicken flavor, powdered cellulose, fish oil, dried egg products, brewers yeast, sodium bisulfate, potassium chloride, calcium carbonate, choline chloride, DL-methionine, taurine, natural antioxidant, iron proteinate, vitamin A acetate, vitamin D3 supplement, vitamin E supplement, zinc oxide, zinc proteinate, ferrous sulfate, manganese oxide, calcium pantothenate, manganese proteinate, niacin supplement, copper sulfate, riboflavin supplement, pyridoxine hydrochloride, thiamine mononitrate, copper proteinate, calcium iodate, folic acid, biotin, sodium selenite, vitamin B12 supplement. Guaranteed Analysis for Royal Canin dry: Crude Protein Not less than 32% Crude Fat Not less than 13% Crude Fiber Not more than 4% Moisture Not more than 10% Magnesium Not more than 0.095% Taurine Not less than 0.15% Omega 6* Not less than 1.9% Omega 3* Not less than 0.43% Calories (kcal/cup) 316 Ingredents listed for Wellness dry: Salmon, Deboned Turkey, Herring Meal, Salmon Meal, Menhaden Fishmeal, Ground Whole Oats, Brown Rice, Dried Whole Eggs, Dried Peas, Canola Oil (Preserved With Mixed Tocopherols), Herring Oil, Chicken Liver, Flaxseed, Cranberries, Blueberries, Taurine, Garlic, Alfalfa Leaf, Dried Kelp, Whole Ground Apples, Whole Ground Sweet Potatoes, Steamed Zucchini, Yucca Schidigera, Chicory Extract, Beta Carotene, Lactobacillus Plantarum, Enterococcus Faecium, Lactobacillus Casei, Lactobacillus Acidophilus, Choline Chloride, Calcium Carbonate, Zinc Proteinate (a chelated source of Zinc), Vitamin E supplement, Zinc Oxide, Ferrous Sulfate, Iron Proteinate (a chelated source of Iron), Manganese Proteinate (a chelated source of Manganese), Calcium Proteinate (a chelated source of Calcium), Niacin Supplement, Sodium Selenite, Vitamin A Acetate, Folic Acid, Cobalt Proteinate (a chelated source of Cobalt), Copper Sulfate, Cobalt Carbonate, Riboflavin Supplement (Vitamin B-2), Copper
Re: Opinions wanted on Royal Canin v. Wellness please
Hey, I'll try it. Been looking around for something to order or buy locally. Thanks so much! Gloria On Jun 21, 2005, at 4:41 PM, Nina wrote: My guys stuck their noses up at Wellness too. I just bought Triumph canned and my guys seem to like every flavor so far. It doesn't contain meat by-products, or veggies, but it does have rice flour and guar gum. Nina Gloria Lane wrote: I just tried Eagle Pack, but again, having trouble getting my guys to eat it! Any suggestions? Gloria On Jun 21, 2005, at 12:51 PM, tamara stickler wrote: Kerry, Personally speaking, my cats did better on Wellness than Royal Canin. They like(d) both tho. I now feed Eagle Pack (because of Coebeio's allergies-she does better on it), BUT, I use other high quality cat foods, Wellness...Royal Canin, Wysong, Newmans, as treats instead of buying the more expensive cat treats that are basically just corn and by-products. Besides...two 6lb bags will last you 12 months or more...for say...$20 total...when cat treats are what(?) $2 per pouch and that only lasts about a week. Just a thought. T Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kerry – my friend is in the distribution business for natural pet food and she knows lots of about lots of different food – I will give her a call and ask her about your question. Hideyo From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:Felvtalk- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of MacKenzie, Kerry N. Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2005 10:54 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Opinions wanted on Royal Canin v. Wellness please Hi all Does anyone have any opinion on the quality of Royal Canin dry cat food v. eg Wellness (or for that matter the new Evo)? My vet was extolling its and the company's virtues when I saw him recently and gave me a gratis 6lb bag for my FeLV kitties. (The dry they eat just now is Wellness and all my cats love it so much, and it seems to be doing them good, I'm almost loathe to try them on something else. But I could use a 6lb free bag.) If you guys think Royal Canin quality is as good as Wellness I will mix it in. If not, I'll pass it on to a shelter. Actually I just went on the web and here are the listed ingreds for both. Wellness looks superior. As an aside, my vet was very impressed by the following Royal Canin RD. Am I being just too cynical in thinking it's toys for the boys syndrome? Anyway, if anyone has any comments I'd love to hear them. I'm continually trying to educate myself on kitty nutrition. Thanks! Kerry Finding the Perfect Kibble Research Indicates: The size, shape and power of a cat's jaw depend on its age, breed and state of health. Nutritional Breakthroughs: Scientific and mechanical studies of kibble texture and elasticity led to the use of a Texturometer. This innovation determines kibble size, shape and thickness as well as elasticity and degree of penetration required for breakage. All contribute to producing the perfect kibble for each cat. Ingredients listed for Royal Canin dry: Chicken meal, brewers rice, corn gluten meal, chicken, corn, chicken fat (preserved with mixed tocopherols), pea fiber, beet pulp, chicken flavor, powdered cellulose, fish oil, dried egg products, brewers yeast, sodium bisulfate, potassium chloride, calcium carbonate, choline chloride, DL-methionine, taurine, natural antioxidant, iron proteinate, vitamin A acetate, vitamin D3 supplement, vitamin E supplement, zinc oxide, zinc proteinate, ferrous sulfate, manganese oxide, calcium pantothenate, manganese proteinate, niacin supplement, copper sulfate, riboflavin supplement, pyridoxine hydrochloride, thiamine mononitrate, copper proteinate, calcium iodate, folic acid, biotin, sodium selenite, vitamin B12 supplement. Guaranteed Analysis for Royal Canin dry: Crude Protein Not less than 32% Crude Fat Not less than 13% Crude Fiber Not more than 4% Moisture Not more than 10% Magnesium Not more than 0.095% Taurine Not less than 0.15% Omega 6* Not less than 1.9% Omega 3* Not less than 0.43% Calories (kcal/cup) 316 Ingredents listed for Wellness dry: Salmon, Deboned Turkey, Herring Meal, Salmon Meal, Menhaden Fishmeal, Ground Whole Oats, Brown Rice, Dried Whole Eggs, Dried Peas, Canola Oil (Preserved With Mixed Tocopherols), Herring Oil, Chicken Liver, Flaxseed, Cranberries, Blueberries, Taurine, Garlic, Alfalfa Leaf, Dried Kelp, Whole Ground Apples, Whole Ground Sweet Potatoes, Steamed Zucchini, Yucca Schidigera, Chicory Extract, Beta Carotene, Lactobacillus Plantarum, Enterococcus Faecium, Lactobacillus Casei, Lactobacillus Acidophilus, Choline Chloride, Calcium Carbonate, Zinc Proteinate (a chelated source of Zinc), Vitamin E supplement, Zinc Oxide, Ferrous Sulfate, Iron Proteinate (a chelated source of Iron), Manganese Proteinate (a chelated source of Manganese), Calcium Proteinate (a chelated source of
