Re: socializing barn kittens

2007-12-20 Thread tamara stickler
Not to worry about the boy named Sadie.  I went to school with a guy named 
Sadee,...he was a Russian/Italian guy..and it was a family name!


   
  - Original Message - 
  From: Caroline Kaufmann 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2007 9:11 PM
  Subject: RE: socializing barn kittens
  
On that note, I was told many times by the initial rescuer of these kittens 
that they are all females.  The vet clinic that did their fvrcps, wormings, 
etc., marked them as all females.  I thought all got spayed yesterday.  But 
since I have had them, I kept calling the black one him and he and bud 
and lil guy and had to correct myself a lot.  Well, apparently not b/c I was 
right.  I am one of those people who just gets a sense of sex with cats- even 
teeny kittens- right away and I am usually never wrong.  So that is why this 
bothered me so much that I was told they were all girls b/c I just didn't get 
that from the black one.  But I went ahead and named them b/c I thought, well 
the 1st vet clinic said they were all girls  But when I went to check the 
black one's sutures tonight, the belly wasn't shaved and I was like what the 
H?  Low and behold, we have teeny little balls that were removed!  I was so 
happy-- mostly just to know that I was right GD it!  But I
 wish I hadn't named them.  I had named them: Ladee (sounds like Lady)- grey 
 white; Babee baby- all grey; and Sadee Sadie- my black one!  The double 
ee's are in honor of Monkee of course.  I thought those were about the cutest 
names ever and Sadee was my favorite.  I thought they would be fun to market 
with those names!  Oh well, back to the drawing board.  




   
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RE: socializing barn kittens

2007-12-19 Thread Chris
Fostered a little guy that somebody had dumped .. he was a real problem to
pick up-he'd hiss and curl up just as you described.  He'd also run a whole
lot faster than me and could get under things!   LOL  

 

I just made it a point to pick him up as much as I could.  He was around my
cats and I think that helped a whole lot cause once he started playing with
them and watching what they did, he figured it was OK.  I fed him with the
big guys and just being around, figuring out that the strange noises (TV,
vacumn, etc.) were OK, making his way to the food dish and the litter box
and the toys-all those things clicked and within a couple of weeks he was
ready to go.  He got adopted the 2nd day I brought him to the shelter (I
made a deal to bring him there during the day and pick him up at night).

 

My only suggestion is to do what you're doing-handle each of them as much as
possible, let them be kittens and find their food bowls and litter boxes,
and I bet it will work out.

 

Christiane Biagi

914-632-4672

Cell:  914-720-6888

[EMAIL PROTECTED]

 

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www.findkpets.org

 

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Caroline Kaufmann
Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2007 3:59 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: OT: socializing barn kittens

 

My other issue is that is took in 3 female barn kittens last Sat.  We are
estimating they are about 8 wks (just got spayed on Mon and all weigh almost
3 lbs).  They were born in a barn in Indiana- mom was dropped off on this
man's farm and had her kittens in the barn.  I don't know too many details,
but after they were born, they started coming out of the barn a little so
they were noticed by the farmer and his daughter.  They were not taken into
the house as far as I know they stayed in the barn until they were caught
and brought to me.  So my contact at the adoption agency obviously wanted to
get them fix and out of the bitter bitter cold and wants to see if they can
be socialized enough to be adopted out.  If not, they will have to
re-released to the barn.  She doesn't have the time/resources to take on
this project right now and she was given my name and number as the newest
kitten rehabber on the block I guess.  But I'm a rehabber of sick kittens-
that's my forte!  And these babies are the healthiest lil piggies I've seen
in a loong time (aw the irony).  (By the by, 5 of the 7 kittens that I
have nursed through illnesses and fostered since Sept. have been adopted!
The remaining ones are Yoda- who shows badly b/c he thinks I'm his mommy and
he has no intention of going anywhere...and the little booger is growing on
me daily anyway; and Possum (aka Possee- my little struggling underweight
darling who's finally growing and moving around now that we've gone through
a whole thing of Nutrical!  He's not caught up to Yoda yet, even tho they
are the same age, but there's been improvement.  He isn't show-ready yet so
I haven't even tried to adopt him yet.).  
 
Anyway, I don't know what I am doing with these barn kittens!  Other than
just generally forcing myself on them, I am kind of at a loss.  They're
not really wild like feral cats or anything, they just would prefer it if
you didn't touch them.  They kind of go into this panic mode when I do pick
them up by the scruff where they will just curl up their body like a ball
and they just kind of go to their happy place-- like lapse into a trance and
don't engage.  So people who don't truly know cats think they are darling
little docile things you can just hold forever, but it's not so.  I know if
you put them on the ground, they would be off and under something and you'd
never find them again.  It's like they go into survival mode when you hold
them, so people think they are fun to hold, but really, these little things
are dying on the inside while you are doing it!  They never purr when I
scratch them or handle them.  They will hiss sometimes when they first see
me or I reach for them, but it's really baby hissing and I totally ignore
it.  Of course, they are scared of sounds and some toys I originally gave
them, but we are making headway now b/c they love the cat teasers with
feathers, so I can get them to engage, but only for the purpose of playing.

 
Other than forced holding of them, what can I do to work on getting them to
engage with people- and even like them?  I hold them together as a group all
wrapped up in a towel- I thought that would lessen the trauma by them all
having each other. Plus, the farmer's daughter (hee hee!) favored only one
of them and held only that one kitten- so it's more socialized and easier to
hold than the other two.  It's actually really sad to see the effect that
that favoritism had on these babies!  I just want to be doing all that I can
b/c if they can't be socialized, they will have to be released and I will
feel like it's partly my fault-- I feel 

RE: socializing barn kittens

2007-12-19 Thread Caroline Kaufmann

Thanks!  That makes me feel better!  I do leave the TV on their room all day to 
force them to get used to human voices.  As far as food bowls and litter box- 
no problem (except for the inevitable laying in the litter box!).  Nothing is 
going to stop these little pigs from eating...trust me.  Especially when I 
bring them their wet kitten food at night (wh/ I'm sure they've never had)- I 
sit in front of their condo and stare at them-- they HATE it, but it's so funny 
to watch the test of wills going through their heads-- watching me, thinking 
I'm going to grab them, thinking they really want to eat that food, etc.  EVERY 
TIME, those pigs opt for eating their food- licking the bowls clean, while I 
hover over top of them!  They use the box fine.
 
I haven't mixed them with my older cats yet- I plan to, because one of them, 
LeeRoy, really likes all cats and is a great cat ambassador.  But I didn't want 
to stress them out so much so soon after their surgery...so maybe in a few days 
we will try that.  Supervised of course.
 
caroline 


From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: RE: socializing barn kittensDate: 
Wed, 19 Dec 2007 16:16:55 -0500






Fostered a little guy that somebody had dumped .. he was a real problem to pick 
up—he’d hiss and curl up just as you described.  He’d also run a whole lot 
faster than me and could get under things!   LOL  
 
I just made it a point to pick him up as much as I could.  He was around my 
cats and I think that helped a whole lot cause once he started playing with 
them and watching what they did, he figured it was OK.  I fed him with the big 
guys and just being around, figuring out that the strange noises (TV, vacumn, 
etc.) were OK, making his way to the food dish and the litter box and the 
toys—all those things clicked and within a couple of weeks he was ready to go.  
He got adopted the 2nd day I brought him to the shelter (I made a deal to bring 
him there during the day and pick him up at night).
 
My only suggestion is to do what you’re doing—handle each of them as much as 
possible, let them be kittens and find their food bowls and litter boxes, and I 
bet it will work out…
 

Christiane Biagi
914-632-4672
Cell:  914-720-6888
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
Katrina Animal Reunion Team (KART)
www.findkpets.org
 
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Caroline 
KaufmannSent: Wednesday, December 19, 2007 3:59 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: OT: 
socializing barn kittens
 
My other issue is that is took in 3 female barn kittens last Sat.  We are 
estimating they are about 8 wks (just got spayed on Mon and all weigh almost 3 
lbs).  They were born in a barn in Indiana- mom was dropped off on this man's 
farm and had her kittens in the barn.  I don't know too many details, but after 
they were born, they started coming out of the barn a little so they were 
noticed by the farmer and his daughter.  They were not taken into the house as 
far as I know they stayed in the barn until they were caught and brought to me. 
 So my contact at the adoption agency obviously wanted to get them fix and out 
of the bitter bitter cold and wants to see if they can be socialized enough to 
be adopted out.  If not, they will have to re-released to the barn.  She 
doesn't have the time/resources to take on this project right now and she was 
given my name and number as the newest kitten rehabber on the block I guess.  
But I'm a rehabber of sick kittens- that's my forte!  And these babies are the 
healthiest lil piggies I've seen in a loong time (aw the irony).  (By the 
by, 5 of the 7 kittens that I have nursed through illnesses and fostered since 
Sept. have been adopted!  The remaining ones are Yoda- who shows badly b/c he 
thinks I'm his mommy and he has no intention of going anywhere...and the little 
booger is growing on me daily anyway; and Possum (aka Possee- my little 
struggling underweight darling who's finally growing and moving around now that 
we've gone through a whole thing of Nutrical!  He's not caught up to Yoda yet, 
even tho they are the same age, but there's been improvement.  He isn't 
show-ready yet so I haven't even tried to adopt him yet.).   Anyway, I don't 
know what I am doing with these barn kittens!  Other than just generally 
forcing myself on them, I am kind of at a loss.  They're not really wild like 
feral cats or anything, they just would prefer it if you didn't touch them.  
They kind of go into this panic mode when I do pick them up by the scruff where 
they will just curl up their body like a ball and they just kind of go to their 
happy place-- like lapse into a trance and don't engage.  So people who don't 
truly know cats think they are darling little docile things you can just hold 
forever, but it's not so.  I know if you put them on the ground, they would be 
off and under something and you'd never find them again.  It's like they go 
into survival 

RE: socializing barn kittens

2007-12-19 Thread Susan Hoffman
You've found their Achilles heel -- their appetites!  Work it.  Meat baby food, 
a little roast chickenThey'll learn to appreciate people very quickly at 
that rate.

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Thanks!  That makes me feel better!  I do leave the TV on their room all day to 
force them to get used to human voices.  As far as food bowls and litter box- 
no problem (except for the inevitable laying in the litter box!).  Nothing is 
going to stop these little pigs from eating...trust me.  Especially when I 
bring them their wet kitten food at night (wh/ I'm sure they've never had)- I 
sit in front of their condo and stare at them-- they HATE it, but it's so funny 
to watch the test of wills going through their heads-- watching me, thinking 
I'm going to grab them, thinking they really want to eat that food, etc.  EVERY 
TIME, those pigs opt for eating their food- licking the bowls clean, while I 
hover over top of them!  They use the box fine.
 
I haven't mixed them with my older cats yet- I plan to, because one of them, 
LeeRoy, really likes all cats and is a great cat ambassador.  But I didn't want 
to stress them out so much so soon after their surgery...so maybe in a few days 
we will try that.  Supervised of course.
 
caroline 



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Subject: RE: socializing barn kittens
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that somebody had dumped .. he was a real problem to pick up—he’d hiss and curl 
up just as you described.  He’d also run a whole lot faster than me
 and could get under things!   LOL  
   
  I just made it a point to pick him up as much as I could.  He was around my 
cats and I think that helped a whole lot cause once he started playing with 
them and watching what they did, he figured it was OK.  I fed him with the big 
guys and just being around, figuring out that the strange noises (TV, vacumn, 
etc.) were OK, making his way to the food dish and the litter box and the 
toys—all those things clicked and within a couple of weeks he was ready to go.  
He got adopted the 2nd day I brought him to the shelter (I made a deal to bring 
him there during the day and pick him up at night).
   
  My only suggestion is to do what you’re doing—handle each of them as much as 
possible, let them be kittens and find their food bowls and litter boxes, and I 
bet it will work out…
   
Christiane Biagi
  914-632-4672
  Cell:  914-720-6888
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   
  Katrina Animal Reunion Team (KART)
  www.findkpets.org
   

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  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Caroline 
Kaufmann
Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2007 3:59 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: OT: socializing barn kittens


   
  My other issue is that is took in 3 female barn kittens last Sat.  We are 
estimating they are about 8 wks (just got spayed on Mon and all weigh almost 3 
lbs).  They were born in a barn in Indiana- mom was dropped off on this man's 
farm and had her kittens in the barn.  I don't know too many details, but after 
they were born, they started coming out of the barn a little so they were 
noticed by the farmer and his daughter.  They were not taken into the house as 
far as I know they stayed in the barn until they were caught and brought to me. 
 So my contact at the adoption agency obviously wanted to get them fix and out 
of the bitter bitter cold and wants to see if they can be socialized enough to 
be adopted out.  If not, they will have to re-released to the barn.  She 
doesn't have the time/resources to take on this project right now and she was 
given my name and number as the newest kitten rehabber on the block I guess.  
But I'm a rehabber of sick kittens- that's my forte! 
 And these babies are the healthiest lil piggies I've seen in a loong time 
(aw the irony).  (By the by, 5 of the 7 kittens that I have nursed through 
illnesses and fostered

Re: socializing barn kittens

2007-12-19 Thread Marylyn
Try Feliway and CatNap (Dr. Maier has some) to calm them.  Use the spray, not 
the plug ins.  Feed them in very small amounts numerous times a day and let 
them see you and associate you with the food.  

Watch out for those baby teeth.  Don't be afraid but know that they know how to 
protect themselves and, like any cornered critter, will fight.

Get a consult with Dr. Maier.she knows alot about this subject and, as 
you know, is great.  

 






 If you have men who will 
exclude any of God's creatures
 from the shelter of compassion 
and pity, you will have men who 
 will deal likewise with their 
fellow man.
  St. Francis
  - Original Message - 
  From: Caroline Kaufmann 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2007 2:59 PM
  Subject: OT: socializing barn kittens


  My other issue is that is took in 3 female barn kittens last Sat.  We are 
estimating they are about 8 wks (just got spayed on Mon and all weigh almost 3 
lbs).  They were born in a barn in Indiana- mom was dropped off on this man's 
farm and had her kittens in the barn.  I don't know too many details, but after 
they were born, they started coming out of the barn a little so they were 
noticed by the farmer and his daughter.  They were not taken into the house as 
far as I know they stayed in the barn until they were caught and brought to me. 
 So my contact at the adoption agency obviously wanted to get them fix and out 
of the bitter bitter cold and wants to see if they can be socialized enough to 
be adopted out.  If not, they will have to re-released to the barn.  She 
doesn't have the time/resources to take on this project right now and she was 
given my name and number as the newest kitten rehabber on the block I guess.  
But I'm a rehabber of sick kittens- that's my forte!  And these babies are the 
healthiest lil piggies I've seen in a loong time (aw the irony).  (By the 
by, 5 of the 7 kittens that I have nursed through illnesses and fostered since 
Sept. have been adopted!  The remaining ones are Yoda- who shows badly b/c he 
thinks I'm his mommy and he has no intention of going anywhere...and the little 
booger is growing on me daily anyway; and Possum (aka Possee- my little 
struggling underweight darling who's finally growing and moving around now that 
we've gone through a whole thing of Nutrical!  He's not caught up to Yoda yet, 
even tho they are the same age, but there's been improvement.  He isn't 
show-ready yet so I haven't even tried to adopt him yet.).  
   
  Anyway, I don't know what I am doing with these barn kittens!  Other than 
just generally forcing myself on them, I am kind of at a loss.  They're not 
really wild like feral cats or anything, they just would prefer it if you 
didn't touch them.  They kind of go into this panic mode when I do pick them up 
by the scruff where they will just curl up their body like a ball and they just 
kind of go to their happy place-- like lapse into a trance and don't engage.  
So people who don't truly know cats think they are darling little docile things 
you can just hold forever, but it's not so.  I know if you put them on the 
ground, they would be off and under something and you'd never find them again.  
It's like they go into survival mode when you hold them, so people think they 
are fun to hold, but really, these little things are dying on the inside while 
you are doing it!  They never purr when I scratch them or handle them.  They 
will hiss sometimes when they first see me or I reach for them, but it's really 
baby hissing and I totally ignore it.  Of course, they are scared of sounds and 
some toys I originally gave them, but we are making headway now b/c they love 
the cat teasers with feathers, so I can get them to engage, but only for the 
purpose of playing.  
   
  Other than forced holding of them, what can I do to work on getting them to 
engage with people- and even like them?  I hold them together as a group all 
wrapped up in a towel- I thought that would lessen the trauma by them all 
having each other. Plus, the farmer's daughter (hee hee!) favored only one of 
them and held only that one kitten- so it's more socialized and easier to hold 
than the other two.  It's actually really sad to see the effect that that 
favoritism had on these babies!  I just want to be doing all that I can b/c if 
they can't be socialized, they will have to be released and I will feel like 
it's partly my fault-- I feel like I can't fail here.   It would be especially 
sad b/c these little things are cute cute!  They have those big round apple 
heads and pudgy faces and huge round eyes and they have medium fur that is 
really fluffy and poufy- very distinctive looking and I know if they didn't 
have people issues 

RE: socializing barn kittens

2007-12-19 Thread Chris
The little guy I fostered first latched on to my youngest (and smallest and
most playful cat)  He followed him around continuously and played non stop.
Then he latched on to my Tucson who just didn't know what to make of him
taking over her favorite 'napping' spot.  S, I think it does help to be
around socialized cats who can sort of show them the way.

 

One other thing-we must look like huge monsters to these little guys.  He
got more scared if he saw me coming to pick him up than if I just sort of
snuck up behind him and scooped him up!  It just got to be a game where I'd
scoop him up, nuzzle him a bit, and then put him down. but it seemed to work
with him.

 

Christiane Biagi

914-632-4672

Cell:  914-720-6888

[EMAIL PROTECTED]

 

Katrina Animal Reunion Team (KART)

www.findkpets.org

 

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Caroline Kaufmann
Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2007 4:31 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: RE: socializing barn kittens

 

Thanks!  That makes me feel better!  I do leave the TV on their room all day
to force them to get used to human voices.  As far as food bowls and litter
box- no problem (except for the inevitable laying in the litter box!).
Nothing is going to stop these little pigs from eating...trust me.
Especially when I bring them their wet kitten food at night (wh/ I'm sure
they've never had)- I sit in front of their condo and stare at them-- they
HATE it, but it's so funny to watch the test of wills going through their
heads-- watching me, thinking I'm going to grab them, thinking they really
want to eat that food, etc.  EVERY TIME, those pigs opt for eating their
food- licking the bowls clean, while I hover over top of them!  They use the
box fine.
 
I haven't mixed them with my older cats yet- I plan to, because one of them,
LeeRoy, really likes all cats and is a great cat ambassador.  But I didn't
want to stress them out so much so soon after their surgery...so maybe in a
few days we will try that.  Supervised of course.
 
caroline 



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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: RE: socializing barn kittens
Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 16:16:55 -0500

Fostered a little guy that somebody had dumped .. he was a real problem to
pick up-he'd hiss and curl up just as you described.  He'd also run a whole
lot faster than me and could get under things!   LOL  

 

I just made it a point to pick him up as much as I could.  He was around my
cats and I think that helped a whole lot cause once he started playing with
them and watching what they did, he figured it was OK.  I fed him with the
big guys and just being around, figuring out that the strange noises (TV,
vacumn, etc.) were OK, making his way to the food dish and the litter box
and the toys-all those things clicked and within a couple of weeks he was
ready to go.  He got adopted the 2nd day I brought him to the shelter (I
made a deal to bring him there during the day and pick him up at night).

 

My only suggestion is to do what you're doing-handle each of them as much as
possible, let them be kittens and find their food bowls and litter boxes,
and I bet it will work out.

 

Christiane Biagi

914-632-4672

Cell:  914-720-6888

[EMAIL PROTECTED]

 

Katrina Animal Reunion Team (KART)

www.findkpets.org http://www.findkpets.org/ 

 

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Caroline Kaufmann
Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2007 3:59 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: OT: socializing barn kittens

 

My other issue is that is took in 3 female barn kittens last Sat.  We are
estimating they are about 8 wks (just got spayed on Mon and all weigh almost
3 lbs).  They were born in a barn in Indiana- mom was dropped off on this
man's farm and had her kittens in the barn.  I don't know too many details,
but after they were born, they started coming out of the barn a little so
they were noticed by the farmer and his daughter.  They were not taken into
the house as far as I know they stayed in the barn until they were caught
and brought to me.  So my contact at the adoption agency obviously wanted to
get them fix and out of the bitter bitter cold and wants to see if they can
be socialized enough to be adopted out.  If not, they will have to
re-released to the barn.  She doesn't have the time/resources to take on
this project right now and she was given my name and number as the newest
kitten rehabber on the block I guess.  But I'm a rehabber of sick kittens-
that's my forte!  And these babies are the healthiest lil piggies I've seen
in a loong time (aw the irony).  (By the by, 5 of the 7 kittens that I
have nursed through illnesses and fostered since Sept. have been adopted!
The remaining ones are Yoda- who shows badly b/c he thinks I'm his mommy and
he has no intention of going anywhere

RE: socializing barn kittens

2007-12-19 Thread Caroline Kaufmann

Yes!  That is exactly what I told my mom!  That's the comparison I used.  That 
they make me feel bad about myself b/c of the way they look at me when I come 
in the room...they look UP at me like I'm the giant from Jack  the Beanstock 
and I'm there to eat them...and when they scamper away from me...I know I 
shouldn't let it affect me, but it hurts my feelings.  The way they look at me 
makes me feel like a big, fat bumbling idiot!  And it's in such contrast to my 
upstairs room of overly-socialized, babyfied, spoiled boy cats- Yoda, LeeRoy 
and Possee!  I go in that room and they all knock things over trying to get TO 
me as fast as possible!  If I bend over, LeeRoy jumps on my back and lays on 
it- licks my head, neck, hair- whatever.  He greets anyone that walks in the 
room like a dog- wags his long tail and talks.  Possee licks me to death on 
the face in the morning; Yoda tries to play it cool with me, but when I was 
gone Friday into Sat. for 24 hours, when I came back, wow, it was a 
love-fest...lil nerd missed me and couldn't help but purr and let me hold him.  
So I'm not used to that terrified look and it does make me sad.  I get pouty!  
I know Monkee's at the Rainbow Bridge laughing is black  white a$$ off at me!
caroline  


From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: RE: socializing barn kittensDate: 
Wed, 19 Dec 2007 17:09:39 -0500






The little guy I fostered first latched on to my youngest (and smallest and 
most playful cat)  He followed him around continuously and played non stop.  
Then he latched on to my Tucson who just didn’t know what to make of him taking 
over her favorite ‘napping’ spot.  S, I think it does help to be around 
socialized cats who can sort of show them the way.
 
One other thing—we must look like huge monsters to these little guys.  He got 
more scared if he saw me coming to pick him up than if I just sort of snuck up 
behind him and scooped him up!  It just got to be a game where I’d scoop him 
up, nuzzle him a bit, and then put him down… but it seemed to work with him…
 

Christiane Biagi
914-632-4672
Cell:  914-720-6888
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
Katrina Animal Reunion Team (KART)
www.findkpets.org
 
Join Us  Help Reunite Katrina-displaced Families with their Animals


From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Caroline 
KaufmannSent: Wednesday, December 19, 2007 4:31 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: RE: 
socializing barn kittens
 
Thanks!  That makes me feel better!  I do leave the TV on their room all day to 
force them to get used to human voices.  As far as food bowls and litter box- 
no problem (except for the inevitable laying in the litter box!).  Nothing is 
going to stop these little pigs from eating...trust me.  Especially when I 
bring them their wet kitten food at night (wh/ I'm sure they've never had)- I 
sit in front of their condo and stare at them-- they HATE it, but it's so funny 
to watch the test of wills going through their heads-- watching me, thinking 
I'm going to grab them, thinking they really want to eat that food, etc.  EVERY 
TIME, those pigs opt for eating their food- licking the bowls clean, while I 
hover over top of them!  They use the box fine. I haven't mixed them with my 
older cats yet- I plan to, because one of them, LeeRoy, really likes all cats 
and is a great cat ambassador.  But I didn't want to stress them out so much so 
soon after their surgery...so maybe in a few days we will try that.  Supervised 
of course. caroline 



From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: RE: socializing barn kittensDate: 
Wed, 19 Dec 2007 16:16:55 -0500

Fostered a little guy that somebody had dumped .. he was a real problem to pick 
up—he’d hiss and curl up just as you described.  He’d also run a whole lot 
faster than me and could get under things!   LOL  
 
I just made it a point to pick him up as much as I could.  He was around my 
cats and I think that helped a whole lot cause once he started playing with 
them and watching what they did, he figured it was OK.  I fed him with the big 
guys and just being around, figuring out that the strange noises (TV, vacumn, 
etc.) were OK, making his way to the food dish and the litter box and the 
toys—all those things clicked and within a couple of weeks he was ready to go.  
He got adopted the 2nd day I brought him to the shelter (I made a deal to bring 
him there during the day and pick him up at night).
 
My only suggestion is to do what you’re doing—handle each of them as much as 
possible, let them be kittens and find their food bowls and litter boxes, and I 
bet it will work out…
 

Christiane Biagi
914-632-4672
Cell:  914-720-6888
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
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www.findkpets.org
 
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Caroline 
KaufmannSent: Wednesday, December 19, 2007 3:59 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: OT: 
socializing barn kittens
 
My other issue

Re: socializing barn kittens

2007-12-19 Thread Marylyn
Ask Monkee to help you.  

The Royal Princess Kitty Katt hid from me for months after she had to come live 
with me.  She was an almost grown feral when she decided to move in with my 
parents..long story but I slept on the floor with her (reducing my size 
considerably--you might try it with your little ones.  Maybe prop yourself up 
on a pillow and read aloud to them or just be there with them).  Dr. Boswell 
suggested I try Feliway and I went thru several bottles spraying me, my clothes 
and especially my hands.  Everything came together.  FYI:  Kitty had a right to 
really dislike me.  I took her to the vet's, cut her nails, pilled her, caught 
her etc.  And, worst of all, brought in dogs!!!  

You can do this.  Just remember ferals and barn cats are not born to be pets.  
They can easily become pets but on their terms not yours or mine.  And, when 
they make that decision, they are the most wonderful friends.  You know you 
have been selected.  






 If you have men who will 
exclude any of God's creatures
 from the shelter of compassion 
and pity, you will have men who 
 will deal likewise with their 
fellow man.
  St. Francis
  - Original Message - 
  From: Caroline Kaufmann 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2007 4:30 PM
  Subject: RE: socializing barn kittens


  Yes!  That is exactly what I told my mom!  That's the comparison I used.  
That they make me feel bad about myself b/c of the way they look at me when I 
come in the room...they look UP at me like I'm the giant from Jack  the 
Beanstock and I'm there to eat them...and when they scamper away from me...I 
know I shouldn't let it affect me, but it hurts my feelings.  The way they look 
at me makes me feel like a big, fat bumbling idiot!  And it's in such contrast 
to my upstairs room of overly-socialized, babyfied, spoiled boy cats- Yoda, 
LeeRoy and Possee!  I go in that room and they all knock things over trying to 
get TO me as fast as possible!  If I bend over, LeeRoy jumps on my back and 
lays on it- licks my head, neck, hair- whatever.  He greets anyone that walks 
in the room like a dog- wags his long tail and talks.  Possee licks me to 
death on the face in the morning; Yoda tries to play it cool with me, but when 
I was gone Friday into Sat. for 24 hours, when I came back, wow, it was a 
love-fest...lil nerd missed me and couldn't help but purr and let me hold him.  
So I'm not used to that terrified look and it does make me sad.  I get pouty!  
I know Monkee's at the Rainbow Bridge laughing is black  white a$$ off at me!
  caroline  





From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: RE: socializing barn kittens
Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 17:09:39 -0500


The little guy I fostered first latched on to my youngest (and smallest and 
most playful cat)  He followed him around continuously and played non stop.  
Then he latched on to my Tucson who just didn’t know what to make of him taking 
over her favorite ‘napping’ spot.  S, I think it does help to be around 
socialized cats who can sort of show them the way.



One other thing—we must look like huge monsters to these little guys.  He 
got more scared if he saw me coming to pick him up than if I just sort of snuck 
up behind him and scooped him up!  It just got to be a game where I’d scoop him 
up, nuzzle him a bit, and then put him down… but it seemed to work with him…



Christiane Biagi

914-632-4672

Cell:  914-720-6888

[EMAIL PROTECTED]



Katrina Animal Reunion Team (KART)

www.findkpets.org



Join Us  Help Reunite Katrina-displaced Families with their Animals

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Caroline 
Kaufmann
Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2007 4:31 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: RE: socializing barn kittens



Thanks!  That makes me feel better!  I do leave the TV on their room all 
day to force them to get used to human voices.  As far as food bowls and litter 
box- no problem (except for the inevitable laying in the litter box!).  Nothing 
is going to stop these little pigs from eating...trust me.  Especially when I 
bring them their wet kitten food at night (wh/ I'm sure they've never had)- I 
sit in front of their condo and stare at them-- they HATE it, but it's so funny 
to watch the test of wills going through their heads-- watching me, thinking 
I'm going to grab them, thinking they really want to eat that food, etc.  EVERY 
TIME, those pigs opt for eating their food- licking the bowls clean, while I 
hover over top of them!  They use the box fine.
 
I haven't mixed them with my older cats

Re: socializing barn kittens

2007-12-19 Thread Marylyn
When you stare at them you are challenging them.  I know it is fun but you need 
to look at them thru almost closed eyes.  You are threatening to them.  I found 
out the hard way.  I thought you could stare down a cat like you can some dogs. 
 NOPE.  They are CAT.






 If you have men who will 
exclude any of God's creatures
 from the shelter of compassion 
and pity, you will have men who 
 will deal likewise with their 
fellow man.
  St. Francis
  - Original Message - 
  From: Caroline Kaufmann 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2007 4:30 PM
  Subject: RE: socializing barn kittens


  Yes!  That is exactly what I told my mom!  That's the comparison I used.  
That they make me feel bad about myself b/c of the way they look at me when I 
come in the room...they look UP at me like I'm the giant from Jack  the 
Beanstock and I'm there to eat them...and when they scamper away from me...I 
know I shouldn't let it affect me, but it hurts my feelings.  The way they look 
at me makes me feel like a big, fat bumbling idiot!  And it's in such contrast 
to my upstairs room of overly-socialized, babyfied, spoiled boy cats- Yoda, 
LeeRoy and Possee!  I go in that room and they all knock things over trying to 
get TO me as fast as possible!  If I bend over, LeeRoy jumps on my back and 
lays on it- licks my head, neck, hair- whatever.  He greets anyone that walks 
in the room like a dog- wags his long tail and talks.  Possee licks me to 
death on the face in the morning; Yoda tries to play it cool with me, but when 
I was gone Friday into Sat. for 24 hours, when I came back, wow, it was a 
love-fest...lil nerd missed me and couldn't help but purr and let me hold him.  
So I'm not used to that terrified look and it does make me sad.  I get pouty!  
I know Monkee's at the Rainbow Bridge laughing is black  white a$$ off at me!
  caroline  





From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: RE: socializing barn kittens
Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 17:09:39 -0500


The little guy I fostered first latched on to my youngest (and smallest and 
most playful cat)  He followed him around continuously and played non stop.  
Then he latched on to my Tucson who just didn’t know what to make of him taking 
over her favorite ‘napping’ spot.  S, I think it does help to be around 
socialized cats who can sort of show them the way.



One other thing—we must look like huge monsters to these little guys.  He 
got more scared if he saw me coming to pick him up than if I just sort of snuck 
up behind him and scooped him up!  It just got to be a game where I’d scoop him 
up, nuzzle him a bit, and then put him down… but it seemed to work with him…



Christiane Biagi

914-632-4672

Cell:  914-720-6888

[EMAIL PROTECTED]



Katrina Animal Reunion Team (KART)

www.findkpets.org



Join Us  Help Reunite Katrina-displaced Families with their Animals

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Caroline 
Kaufmann
Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2007 4:31 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: RE: socializing barn kittens



Thanks!  That makes me feel better!  I do leave the TV on their room all 
day to force them to get used to human voices.  As far as food bowls and litter 
box- no problem (except for the inevitable laying in the litter box!).  Nothing 
is going to stop these little pigs from eating...trust me.  Especially when I 
bring them their wet kitten food at night (wh/ I'm sure they've never had)- I 
sit in front of their condo and stare at them-- they HATE it, but it's so funny 
to watch the test of wills going through their heads-- watching me, thinking 
I'm going to grab them, thinking they really want to eat that food, etc.  EVERY 
TIME, those pigs opt for eating their food- licking the bowls clean, while I 
hover over top of them!  They use the box fine.
 
I haven't mixed them with my older cats yet- I plan to, because one of 
them, LeeRoy, really likes all cats and is a great cat ambassador.  But I 
didn't want to stress them out so much so soon after their surgery...so maybe 
in a few days we will try that.  Supervised of course.
 
caroline 






From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: RE: socializing barn kittens
Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 16:16:55 -0500

Fostered a little guy that somebody had dumped .. he was a real problem to 
pick up—he’d hiss and curl up just as you described.  He’d also run a whole lot 
faster than me and could get under things!   LOL  



I

RE: socializing barn kittens

2007-12-19 Thread Caroline Kaufmann

They are actually doing really well so far.  I have one sitting in my lap right 
now napping, but when I starting typing on the keyboard, she woke up a little 
and just follows the cursor with her eyes!  But no freak-out or anything.  I 
also discovered the other night that they will nap while I hold all 3 of them 
together wrapped in a blanket- the kitty burrito- while I work on the 
computer.  They love to watch the cursor being moved by the mouse!  
 
I would say at this point they are tamer than ferals and I guess that is why I 
used the term socialization.  Tonight, I've had two of them lick turkey baby 
food off my finger-- they are such suckers for food- little fatties, so I think 
that is huge!  And the black one, whom I have never heard meow- only hiss at 
me- meowed at me tonight AFTER I PUT IT BACK IN THE CAT CONDO!  Looked right at 
me and meowed... a bunch of times.  So I gave him more baby food- which he ate.
 
On that note, I was told many times by the initial rescuer of these kittens 
that they are all females.  The vet clinic that did their fvrcps, wormings, 
etc., marked them as all females.  I thought all got spayed yesterday.  But 
since I have had them, I kept calling the black one him and he and bud 
and lil guy and had to correct myself a lot.  Well, apparently not b/c I was 
right.  I am one of those people who just gets a sense of sex with cats- even 
teeny kittens- right away and I am usually never wrong.  So that is why this 
bothered me so much that I was told they were all girls b/c I just didn't get 
that from the black one.  But I went ahead and named them b/c I thought, well 
the 1st vet clinic said they were all girls  But when I went to check the 
black one's sutures tonight, the belly wasn't shaved and I was like what the 
H?  Low and behold, we have teeny little balls that were removed!  I was so 
happy-- mostly just to know that I was right GD it!  But I wish I hadn't named 
them.  I had named them: Ladee (sounds like Lady)- grey  white; Babee 
baby- all grey; and Sadee Sadie- my black one!  The double ee's are in 
honor of Monkee of course.  I thought those were about the cutest names ever 
and Sadee was my favorite.  I thought they would be fun to market with those 
names!  Oh well, back to the drawing board.  


From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Re: socializing barn kittensDate: 
Wed, 19 Dec 2007 17:28:48 -0600



When you stare at them you are challenging them.  I know it is fun but you need 
to look at them thru almost closed eyes.  You are threatening to them.  I found 
out the hard way.  I thought you could stare down a cat like you can some dogs. 
 NOPE.  They are CAT.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 If you have men who will 
exclude any of God's creatures 
from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who  
will deal likewise with their fellow man.   
   St. Francis

- Original Message - 
From: Caroline Kaufmann 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2007 4:30 PM
Subject: RE: socializing barn kittens
Yes!  That is exactly what I told my mom!  That's the comparison I used.  That 
they make me feel bad about myself b/c of the way they look at me when I come 
in the room...they look UP at me like I'm the giant from Jack  the Beanstock 
and I'm there to eat them...and when they scamper away from me...I know I 
shouldn't let it affect me, but it hurts my feelings.  The way they look at me 
makes me feel like a big, fat bumbling idiot!  And it's in such contrast to my 
upstairs room of overly-socialized, babyfied, spoiled boy cats- Yoda, LeeRoy 
and Possee!  I go in that room and they all knock things over trying to get TO 
me as fast as possible!  If I bend over, LeeRoy jumps on my back and lays on 
it- licks my head, neck, hair- whatever.  He greets anyone that walks in the 
room like a dog- wags his long tail and talks.  Possee licks me to death on 
the face in the morning; Yoda tries to play it cool with me, but when I was 
gone Friday into Sat. for 24 hours, when I came back, wow, it was a 
love-fest...lil nerd missed me and couldn't help but purr and let me hold him.  
So I'm not used to that terrified look and it does make me sad.  I get pouty!  
I know Monkee's at the Rainbow Bridge laughing is black  white a$$ off at 
me!caroline  


From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: RE: socializing barn kittensDate: 
Wed, 19 Dec 2007 17:09:39 -0500





The little guy I fostered first latched on to my youngest (and smallest and 
most playful cat)  He followed him around continuously and played non stop.  
Then he latched on to my Tucson who just didn’t know what to make of him taking 
over her favorite ‘napping’ spot.  S, I think it does help to be around 
socialized cats who can sort of show them the way.
 
One other

RE: socializing barn kittens

2007-12-19 Thread Chris
Best ideas I have would be to let them romp around with the older guys as
soon as you can and to just always pick them up, nuzzle and put down-make it
a game with them.  One thing about kittens-they just love to play!

 

Christiane Biagi

914-632-4672

Cell:  914-720-6888

[EMAIL PROTECTED]

 

Katrina Animal Reunion Team (KART)

www.findkpets.org

 

Join Us  Help Reunite Katrina-displaced Families with their Animals

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Caroline Kaufmann
Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2007 5:31 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: RE: socializing barn kittens

 

Yes!  That is exactly what I told my mom!  That's the comparison I used.
That they make me feel bad about myself b/c of the way they look at me when
I come in the room...they look UP at me like I'm the giant from Jack  the
Beanstock and I'm there to eat them...and when they scamper away from me...I
know I shouldn't let it affect me, but it hurts my feelings.  The way they
look at me makes me feel like a big, fat bumbling idiot!  And it's in such
contrast to my upstairs room of overly-socialized, babyfied, spoiled boy
cats- Yoda, LeeRoy and Possee!  I go in that room and they all knock things
over trying to get TO me as fast as possible!  If I bend over, LeeRoy jumps
on my back and lays on it- licks my head, neck, hair- whatever.  He greets
anyone that walks in the room like a dog- wags his long tail and talks.
Possee licks me to death on the face in the morning; Yoda tries to play it
cool with me, but when I was gone Friday into Sat. for 24 hours, when I came
back, wow, it was a love-fest...lil nerd missed me and couldn't help but
purr and let me hold him.  So I'm not used to that terrified look and it
does make me sad.  I get pouty!  I know Monkee's at the Rainbow Bridge
laughing is black  white a$$ off at me!
caroline  



  _  

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: RE: socializing barn kittens
Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 17:09:39 -0500

The little guy I fostered first latched on to my youngest (and smallest and
most playful cat)  He followed him around continuously and played non stop.
Then he latched on to my Tucson who just didn't know what to make of him
taking over her favorite 'napping' spot.  S, I think it does help to be
around socialized cats who can sort of show them the way.

 

One other thing-we must look like huge monsters to these little guys.  He
got more scared if he saw me coming to pick him up than if I just sort of
snuck up behind him and scooped him up!  It just got to be a game where I'd
scoop him up, nuzzle him a bit, and then put him down. but it seemed to work
with him.

 

Christiane Biagi

914-632-4672

Cell:  914-720-6888

[EMAIL PROTECTED]

 

Katrina Animal Reunion Team (KART)

www.findkpets.org http://www.findkpets.org/ 

 

Join Us  Help Reunite Katrina-displaced Families with their Animals

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Caroline Kaufmann
Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2007 4:31 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: RE: socializing barn kittens

 

Thanks!  That makes me feel better!  I do leave the TV on their room all day
to force them to get used to human voices.  As far as food bowls and litter
box- no problem (except for the inevitable laying in the litter box!).
Nothing is going to stop these little pigs from eating...trust me.
Especially when I bring them their wet kitten food at night (wh/ I'm sure
they've never had)- I sit in front of their condo and stare at them-- they
HATE it, but it's so funny to watch the test of wills going through their
heads-- watching me, thinking I'm going to grab them, thinking they really
want to eat that food, etc.  EVERY TIME, those pigs opt for eating their
food- licking the bowls clean, while I hover over top of them!  They use the
box fine.
 
I haven't mixed them with my older cats yet- I plan to, because one of them,
LeeRoy, really likes all cats and is a great cat ambassador.  But I didn't
want to stress them out so much so soon after their surgery...so maybe in a
few days we will try that.  Supervised of course.
 
caroline 

  _  

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: RE: socializing barn kittens
Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 16:16:55 -0500

Fostered a little guy that somebody had dumped .. he was a real problem to
pick up-he'd hiss and curl up just as you described.  He'd also run a whole
lot faster than me and could get under things!   LOL  

 

I just made it a point to pick him up as much as I could.  He was around my
cats and I think that helped a whole lot cause once he started playing with
them and watching what they did, he figured it was OK.  I fed him with the
big guys and just being around, figuring out that the strange noises (TV,
vacumn, etc.) were OK, making his way to the food dish and the litter box
and the toys-all those things clicked and within a couple of weeks he was
ready to go.  He got adopted

Re: socializing barn kittens

2007-12-19 Thread Kelley Saveika
Sounds like you're doing a great job!:)
-- 
Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time.

http://www.rescuties.org

Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life!

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20

http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties*

Please help Clarissa!

http://rescuties.chipin.com/clarissasheart


Re: socializing barn kittens

2007-12-19 Thread Marylyn







 If you have men who will 
exclude any of God's creatures
 from the shelter of compassion 
and pity, you will have men who 
 will deal likewise with their 
fellow man.
  St. Francis
  - Original Message - 
  From: Marylyn 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2007 1:22 AM
  Subject: Re: socializing barn kittens


  You may want to get a laser pointer (Office Depot, Wal-Mart etc) to use with 
the little ones.  Just be extremely careful with their eyes.  Some cats love to 
chase the dot and, since these are motherless, they need some training in 
hunting.  Like it or not, they may return to a barn and need skills there that 
house cats don't use.  If the male has been neutered at such a young age he 
will have a particularly rough time.   

  PS:  You are doing great.  The ones who have come to live with me were grown 
and feral.  I've worked with a lot of semi-ferals and throw-aways.  It is 
difficult but extremely rewarding.  Again, check with with Dr. Maier for really 
good ideas.  She does a lot of this work and you already know her.   






   If you have men who will 
exclude any of God's creatures
   from the shelter of 
compassion and pity, you will have men who 
   will deal likewise with 
their fellow man.
St. Francis
- Original Message - 
From: Caroline Kaufmann 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2007 9:11 PM
Subject: RE: socializing barn kittens


They are actually doing really well so far.  I have one sitting in my lap 
right now napping, but when I starting typing on the keyboard, she woke up a 
little and just follows the cursor with her eyes!  But no freak-out or 
anything.  I also discovered the other night that they will nap while I hold 
all 3 of them together wrapped in a blanket- the kitty burrito- while I work 
on the computer.  They love to watch the cursor being moved by the mouse!  
 
I would say at this point they are tamer than ferals and I guess that is 
why I used the term socialization.  Tonight, I've had two of them lick turkey 
baby food off my finger-- they are such suckers for food- little fatties, so I 
think that is huge!  And the black one, whom I have never heard meow- only hiss 
at me- meowed at me tonight AFTER I PUT IT BACK IN THE CAT CONDO!  Looked right 
at me and meowed... a bunch of times.  So I gave him more baby food- which he 
ate.
 
On that note, I was told many times by the initial rescuer of these kittens 
that they are all females.  The vet clinic that did their fvrcps, wormings, 
etc., marked them as all females.  I thought all got spayed yesterday.  But 
since I have had them, I kept calling the black one him and he and bud 
and lil guy and had to correct myself a lot.  Well, apparently not b/c I was 
right.  I am one of those people who just gets a sense of sex with cats- even 
teeny kittens- right away and I am usually never wrong.  So that is why this 
bothered me so much that I was told they were all girls b/c I just didn't get 
that from the black one.  But I went ahead and named them b/c I thought, well 
the 1st vet clinic said they were all girls  But when I went to check the 
black one's sutures tonight, the belly wasn't shaved and I was like what the 
H?  Low and behold, we have teeny little balls that were removed!  I was so 
happy-- mostly just to know that I was right GD it!  But I wish I hadn't named 
them.  I had named them: Ladee (sounds like Lady)- grey  white; Babee 
baby- all grey; and Sadee Sadie- my black one!  The double ee's are in 
honor of Monkee of course.  I thought those were about the cutest names ever 
and Sadee was my favorite.  I thought they would be fun to market with those 
names!  Oh well, back to the drawing board.  




--
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Subject: Re: socializing barn kittens
  Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 17:28:48 -0600


  When you stare at them you are challenging them.  I know it is fun but 
you need to look at them thru almost closed eyes.  You are threatening to them. 
 I found out the hard way.  I thought you could stare down a cat like you can 
some dogs.  NOPE.  They are CAT.






   If you have men who will 
exclude any of God's creatures
   from the shelter of 
compassion and pity, you will have men who