Re: To Caroline: Re: Anemia Issues
Thank you, Hideyo Consciousness is Causal and Physicality is its Manifestation. On Jun 29, 2007, at 8:00 AM, HIDEYO YAMAMOTO wrote: Indeed - I know it's hard -- but we need to do our best to give all the love and joy we can give as they certainly deserve it-- when I was losing eight kitties one after the other.. I was overwhelmed with the depression --and eventually, I learned to live in the moment.. I loved all of them like there is no tomorrow -- hold them and tel them how beautiful they are.. the pain we are going through is only temprary and we will always be together no matter what -- there is nothing that can separate us -- There was a quote I saw some place goes something like. Stop telling God how big strom is, but start telling storm, how big god is.. something like that.. I just try not to think of how big the pain and sorrow is.. but strated to think how big and powerful our love and bond with each other is.. much love, Hideyo - Original Message - From: Susan Dubose To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, June 29, 2007 5:40 AM Subject: Re: To Caroline: Re: Anemia Issues Wise words, Marylyn... Wise words... Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent - Original Message - From: Marylyn To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, June 29, 2007 4:07 AM Subject: Re: To Caroline: Re: Anemia Issues Please do not grieve too much before it is timeit will take the joy of having Sammy and the others with you now away. It is so very difficult but try. Live each moment with the wonderful little ones. That is how they do it. One moment at a time. When it is time to grieve go ahead and loose it . There is no shame in tears. If we live every minute dreading the death of a loved one we have no time for joy. And we are all dying. Everyone of us started dying the minute we took our first breathe. Bless you and Sammy and his brothers.bless all the little ones and their best friends. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis
Re: To Caroline: Re: Anemia Issues
Living for the day is very important. After I took in 4 felv+ cats I realized this even more. Now whenever anyone of my cats comes up to me and meows, or paws @ me, I drop whatever it is that I am doing and they either get a kiss, a petting or I pick them up hug them. And I tell them how much I love them a lot more often. I think they are trying to tell you something when they solicit your attention. Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent - Original Message - From: Taylor Scobie Humphrey To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2007 1:05 AM Subject: Re: To Caroline: Re: Anemia Issues Thank you, Hideyo Consciousness is Causal and Physicality is its Manifestation. On Jun 29, 2007, at 8:00 AM, HIDEYO YAMAMOTO wrote: Indeed - I know it's hard -- but we need to do our best to give all the love and joy we can give as they certainly deserve it-- when I was losing eight kitties one after the other.. I was overwhelmed with the depression --and eventually, I learned to live in the moment.. I loved all of them like there is no tomorrow -- hold them and tel them how beautiful they are.. the pain we are going through is only temprary and we will always be together no matter what -- there is nothing that can separate us -- There was a quote I saw some place goes something like. Stop telling God how big strom is, but start telling storm, how big god is.. something like that.. I just try not to think of how big the pain and sorrow is.. but strated to think how big and powerful our love and bond with each other is.. much love, Hideyo
To Caroline: Re: Anemia Issues
Hi Caroline, Well, considering that it is rare, but possible, for Monkee to start making RBC's again, I would start the Epogen today if it were my kitty. He doesn't have time for you to wait, as transfusions buy precious but little time, and I don't think Monkee has a shot without something like the Epogen to stimulate RBC production. I would call your vet and even if she's not crazy about it, tell her it won't hurt and she might possibly learn something new. You may also need to consider one more transfusion to give the Epogen time to work, if it's going to. I am praying for another miracle, like Belinda had with her furbaby Bailey. And I am so happy to hear that Monkee is his old self again. Isn't it just wonderful to witness that? It's like a miracle in and of itself. :) Wendy Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ Now that's room service! Choose from over 150,000 hotels in 45,000 destinations on Yahoo! Travel to find your fit. http://farechase.yahoo.com/promo-generic-14795097
Re: To Caroline: Re: Anemia Issues
Caroline, I'm in the same boat with my little Sammy. He and his two brothers (triplets--I raised 'em from infancy with no catmommy so they are my tiny kidlets--who knew they'd be cats!?) were negative for FeLV and then at nine months Sammy had really alarming big swollen glands like--poof!--one morning and after tests found out on Monday that my tough little character was FeLV+ and on Tuesday that he had lymphoma. Tears, tears. He has gone out of remission after nearly three very good months and now he's got at most two months with a new chemotherapy protocol and I am trying not to lose it here. At least thank God he will see his first birthday and that of his sibbies. So far his sibbies remain FeLV- and I just don't know how they will be without their sib in a few months. Or how I will be, for that matter. I'm a wreck already, of course. Thinking of you, your mom and your darling Monkee, Taylor and the 3 Orange Boyz (my babies) Consciousness is Causal and Physicality is its Manifestation. On Jun 28, 2007, at 12:06 PM, wendy wrote: P.S. Chemo can cause anemia. I don't know if I mentioned this or not. :) Wendy --- Caroline Kaufmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Hi everyone. I wanted to provide an update on my FeLV pos. and lymphosarcoma cat Monkee. He saw his Vet yesterday to determine whether the Epogen had helped his anemia. The news was very bad. Apparently last week, when the anemia started, his Red Blood cell count was 13%. After a week ( 3 doses of the Epogen), his RBC count was actually worse, 10%. However, Monkee’s White Blood Cell count is normal (it was down last week) and his lymphocyte count is normal. Dr. Daley also found a lymph node in his groin that is enlarged (but it can’t be felt from the outside- it runs along the artery in the leg). His Vet said she thinks the FeLV is causing the problem, or it could be the lymphosarcoma, but when pressed, she said that she honestly doubted it was the cancer. She presented 3 options: (1) a bone marrow aspirate/biopsy to determine what is going on at the cellular level; however, it is invasive and Monkee would need sedation- which he couldn’t get anyway while so anemic (so he'd need a blood transfusion 1st, just to be able to do the biospy); However, the biopsy, in her opinion, would probably just tell us it’s FeLV causing the anemia; (2) a blood transfusion to literally buy me more time with him; (3) try another dose of chemo in hopes that the anemia is being caused by lymphosarcoma, although, as I said previously, she doubted it and that was a shot in the dark. My mother and I did not want to put this cat through chemo again (although he did very well with the first round). But now that he is actively anemic, there was no way I would do it, especially knowing that Dr. Daley really didn’t think the chemo would actually help the situation. We also didn’t want to put him through a bone marrow biopsy that would probably tell us what we already know, but don’t want to admit…that for four years, I had the healthiest, beefiest, toughest cat in the world, who never even suffered from a urinary tract infection; who was so healthy, I wanted to test him a 3rd time this summer for FeLV because I was sure he didn’t have it….To now, out of nowhere, in a span of 2 months, we have gone from that, to a severely anemic, suffering, FeLV cat with lymphosarcoma. Dr. Daley gave him days. Days. Which my mom and I were not prepared to hear at all. I mean, he is eating, drinking, using the litter box, he is thick (he was slightly overweight to begin with, so that is helping him now). Yes, he’s not “Monkee” as I have known him, but he just doesn’t look to me like he’s on his last leg. When we questioned her on the “days” prognosis she explained that due to the FeLV virus, and the anemia, his body is not making RBC and his brain is not getting enough oxygen and although he seems okay now, he is dizzy, lightheaded, probably having vertigo, and all of that will continue to get worse because his body is not manufacturing RBC- which carry oxygen in the blood, and eventually, his eating/drinking and making it to the litter box will all drop off. We asked what could be done and she said, if you “are not ready yet,” she recommended the blood transfusion, which will give him about two weeks, and then the benefits of the transferred blood will wear off and he will start suffering the anemia symptoms again because his body is not producing it’s own RBC. She also said that morally, with FeLV cats, she will do 2 blood transfusions, and then that is it. It is fighting a losing battle and that is as far as she will take it. I was wrecked and my mother was crying too. I decided to pull myself together and still take Monkee to the Holistic Vet, Dr. Susan Maier, after we left Dr. Daley’s. It was our first visit and I thought, I am so desperate right now, it can’t hurt. A funny story about this
Re: To Caroline: Re: Anemia Issues
Please do not grieve too much before it is timeit will take the joy of having Sammy and the others with you now away. It is so very difficult but try. Live each moment with the wonderful little ones. That is how they do it. One moment at a time. When it is time to grieve go ahead and loose it . There is no shame in tears. If we live every minute dreading the death of a loved one we have no time for joy. And we are all dying. Everyone of us started dying the minute we took our first breathe. Bless you and Sammy and his brothers.bless all the little ones and their best friends. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: Taylor Scobie Humphrey To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, June 29, 2007 2:01 AM Subject: Re: To Caroline: Re: Anemia Issues Caroline, I'm in the same boat with my little Sammy. He and his two brothers (triplets--I raised 'em from infancy with no catmommy so they are my tiny kidlets--who knew they'd be cats!?) were negative for FeLV and then at nine months Sammy had really alarming big swollen glands like--poof!--one morning and after tests found out on Monday that my tough little character was FeLV+ and on Tuesday that he had lymphoma. Tears, tears. He has gone out of remission after nearly three very good months and now he's got at most two months with a new chemotherapy protocol and I am trying not to lose it here. At least thank God he will see his first birthday and that of his sibbies. So far his sibbies remain FeLV- and I just don't know how they will be without their sib in a few months. Or how I will be, for that matter. I'm a wreck already, of course. Thinking of you, your mom and your darling Monkee, Taylor and the 3 Orange Boyz (my babies) Consciousness is Causal and Physicality is its Manifestation. On Jun 28, 2007, at 12:06 PM, wendy wrote: P.S. Chemo can cause anemia. I don't know if I mentioned this or not. :) Wendy --- Caroline Kaufmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Hi everyone. I wanted to provide an update on my FeLV pos. and lymphosarcoma cat Monkee. He saw his Vet yesterday to determine whether the Epogen had helped his anemia. The news was very bad. Apparently last week, when the anemia started, his Red Blood cell count was 13%. After a week ( 3 doses of the Epogen), his RBC count was actually worse, 10%. However, Monkee’s White Blood Cell count is normal (it was down last week) and his lymphocyte count is normal. Dr. Daley also found a lymph node in his groin that is enlarged (but it can’t be felt from the outside- it runs along the artery in the leg). His Vet said she thinks the FeLV is causing the problem, or it could be the lymphosarcoma, but when pressed, she said that she honestly doubted it was the cancer. She presented 3 options: (1) a bone marrow aspirate/biopsy to determine what is going on at the cellular level; however, it is invasive and Monkee would need sedation- which he couldn’t get anyway while so anemic (so he'd need a blood transfusion 1st, just to be able to do the biospy); However, the biopsy, in her opinion, would probably just tell us it’s FeLV causing the anemia; (2) a blood transfusion to literally buy me more time with him; (3) try another dose of chemo in hopes that the anemia is being caused by lymphosarcoma, although, as I said previously, she doubted it and that was a shot in the dark. My mother and I did not want to put this cat through chemo again (although he did very well with the first round). But now that he is actively anemic, there was no way I would do it, especially knowing that Dr. Daley really didn’t think the chemo would actually help the situation. We also didn’t want to put him through a bone marrow biopsy that would probably tell us what we already know, but don’t want to admit…that for four years, I had the healthiest, beefiest, toughest cat in the world, who never even suffered from a urinary tract infection; who was so healthy, I wanted to test him a 3rd time this summer for FeLV because I was sure he didn’t have it….To now, out of nowhere, in a span of 2 months, we have gone from that, to a severely anemic, suffering, FeLV cat with lymphosarcoma. Dr. Daley gave him days. Days. Which my mom and I were not prepared to hear at all. I mean, he is eating
Re: To Caroline: Re: Anemia Issues
Wise words, Marylyn... Wise words... Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent - Original Message - From: Marylyn To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, June 29, 2007 4:07 AM Subject: Re: To Caroline: Re: Anemia Issues Please do not grieve too much before it is timeit will take the joy of having Sammy and the others with you now away. It is so very difficult but try. Live each moment with the wonderful little ones. That is how they do it. One moment at a time. When it is time to grieve go ahead and loose it . There is no shame in tears. If we live every minute dreading the death of a loved one we have no time for joy. And we are all dying. Everyone of us started dying the minute we took our first breathe. Bless you and Sammy and his brothers.bless all the little ones and their best friends. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis
Re: To Caroline: Re: Anemia Issues
Indeed - I know it's hard -- but we need to do our best to give all the love and joy we can give as they certainly deserve it-- when I was losing eight kitties one after the other.. I was overwhelmed with the depression --and eventually, I learned to live in the moment.. I loved all of them like there is no tomorrow -- hold them and tel them how beautiful they are.. the pain we are going through is only temprary and we will always be together no matter what -- there is nothing that can separate us -- There was a quote I saw some place goes something like. Stop telling God how big strom is, but start telling storm, how big god is.. something like that.. I just try not to think of how big the pain and sorrow is.. but strated to think how big and powerful our love and bond with each other is.. much love, Hideyo - Original Message - From: Susan Dubosemailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgmailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, June 29, 2007 5:40 AM Subject: Re: To Caroline: Re: Anemia Issues Wise words, Marylyn... Wise words... Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.comhttp://www.petgirlspetsitting.com/ www.Tx.SiameseRescue.orghttp://www.tx.siameserescue.org/ www.shadowcats.nethttp://www.shadowcats.net/ As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent - Original Message - From: Marylynmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgmailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, June 29, 2007 4:07 AM Subject: Re: To Caroline: Re: Anemia Issues Please do not grieve too much before it is timeit will take the joy of having Sammy and the others with you now away. It is so very difficult but try. Live each moment with the wonderful little ones. That is how they do it. One moment at a time. When it is time to grieve go ahead and loose it . There is no shame in tears. If we live every minute dreading the death of a loved one we have no time for joy. And we are all dying. Everyone of us started dying the minute we took our first breathe. Bless you and Sammy and his brothers.bless all the little ones and their best friends. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis
To Caroline: Re: Anemia Issues
P.S. Chemo can cause anemia. I don't know if I mentioned this or not. :) Wendy --- Caroline Kaufmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Hi everyone. I wanted to provide an update on my FeLV pos. and lymphosarcoma cat Monkee. He saw his Vet yesterday to determine whether the Epogen had helped his anemia. The news was very bad. Apparently last week, when the anemia started, his Red Blood cell count was 13%. After a week ( 3 doses of the Epogen), his RBC count was actually worse, 10%. However, Monkees White Blood Cell count is normal (it was down last week) and his lymphocyte count is normal. Dr. Daley also found a lymph node in his groin that is enlarged (but it cant be felt from the outside- it runs along the artery in the leg). His Vet said she thinks the FeLV is causing the problem, or it could be the lymphosarcoma, but when pressed, she said that she honestly doubted it was the cancer. She presented 3 options: (1) a bone marrow aspirate/biopsy to determine what is going on at the cellular level; however, it is invasive and Monkee would need sedation- which he couldnt get anyway while so anemic (so he'd need a blood transfusion 1st, just to be able to do the biospy); However, the biopsy, in her opinion, would probably just tell us its FeLV causing the anemia; (2) a blood transfusion to literally buy me more time with him; (3) try another dose of chemo in hopes that the anemia is being caused by lymphosarcoma, although, as I said previously, she doubted it and that was a shot in the dark. My mother and I did not want to put this cat through chemo again (although he did very well with the first round). But now that he is actively anemic, there was no way I would do it, especially knowing that Dr. Daley really didnt think the chemo would actually help the situation. We also didnt want to put him through a bone marrow biopsy that would probably tell us what we already know, but dont want to admit that for four years, I had the healthiest, beefiest, toughest cat in the world, who never even suffered from a urinary tract infection; who was so healthy, I wanted to test him a 3rd time this summer for FeLV because I was sure he didnt have it .To now, out of nowhere, in a span of 2 months, we have gone from that, to a severely anemic, suffering, FeLV cat with lymphosarcoma. Dr. Daley gave him days. Days. Which my mom and I were not prepared to hear at all. I mean, he is eating, drinking, using the litter box, he is thick (he was slightly overweight to begin with, so that is helping him now). Yes, hes not Monkee as I have known him, but he just doesnt look to me like hes on his last leg. When we questioned her on the days prognosis she explained that due to the FeLV virus, and the anemia, his body is not making RBC and his brain is not getting enough oxygen and although he seems okay now, he is dizzy, lightheaded, probably having vertigo, and all of that will continue to get worse because his body is not manufacturing RBC- which carry oxygen in the blood, and eventually, his eating/drinking and making it to the litter box will all drop off. We asked what could be done and she said, if you are not ready yet, she recommended the blood transfusion, which will give him about two weeks, and then the benefits of the transferred blood will wear off and he will start suffering the anemia symptoms again because his body is not producing its own RBC. She also said that morally, with FeLV cats, she will do 2 blood transfusions, and then that is it. It is fighting a losing battle and that is as far as she will take it. I was wrecked and my mother was crying too. I decided to pull myself together and still take Monkee to the Holistic Vet, Dr. Susan Maier, after we left Dr. Daleys. It was our first visit and I thought, I am so desperate right now, it cant hurt. A funny story about this visit: Monkee totally perked up as soon as we left Dr. Daleys (he hates it there!). Dr. Maier has a few black and white clinic cats that roam around and as soon as we walked in, Monkee, in his carrier, freaked out (he hates other catswhich is probably why he ended up with FeLV to begin with!). I was carrying his carrier on my shoulder to an exam room and I instantly felt the carrier get completely light- there was no longer 13 lbs of weight on my shoulder! I didnt understand what happened, but I turned around and all I saw was black and white x 3 (Monkee is black and white), and I just grabbed the first black and white form that was closest to me, and thank god, it was Monkee! He had opened the front flap of his pet carrierwidened the zipper I guess with his paw and then his face, and jumped out in an effort to get the clinic cats that were following us to the exam room! I grabbed him just in time because he was already facing off against them ready to attack, and because he has FeLV, it scared me to death! But that is not the behavior of a cat on his
