Derek Buitenhuis writes:
> On 11/20/2023 3:44 PM, Thilo Borgmann via ffmpeg-devel wrote:
>> the results are available at [1]. As they confirm the just updated GA list
>> as
>> well as the update procedure twice a year on Jan 1st & Jul 1st, I think the
>> upcoming votes (extra GA members,
On 11/20/2023 3:44 PM, Thilo Borgmann via ffmpeg-devel wrote:
> the results are available at [1]. As they confirm the just updated GA list as
> well as the update procedure twice a year on Jan 1st & Jul 1st, I think the
> upcoming votes (extra GA members, TC/CC elections) can then proceed as
>
Hi,
This vote will be repeated from Sun 12th of November to Sunday 19th of November
so we don't have to move the following votes yet another time.
It will be using the list given by Josh [2] as it seems to be the closest to the
truth we can get. The old extra members of the GA have become void
tis 2023-11-14 klockan 18:46 +0200 skrev Rémi Denis-Courmont:
> Le tiistaina 14. marraskuuta 2023, 17.56.24 EET Tomas Härdin a écrit
> :
> > Ballots should be public IMO, secret voting is cowardice.
>
> The French (XIXth century) Empire used notoriously public ballots,
> and the
> results were
Rémi Denis-Courmont (12023-11-14):
> Like for example, people could give votes to associates of the leading
> contracting company of FFmpeg at the given time in hope of looking good to
> get
> subcontracted later. Or all legal VideoLAN members feeling morally obliged to
> vote for other
On 14 Nov 2023, at 20:32, Ronald S. Bultje wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 14, 2023 at 2:28 PM Nicolas George wrote:
>
>> but nobody here knows
>>
>
> Unsubstantiated FUD.
>
> Move on.
+1
There is no good in even more discussions right now.
If really many people think public ballots are a great idea,
On Tue, Nov 14, 2023 at 2:28 PM Nicolas George wrote:
> I hope you can grasp the difference between CAN and WOULD. That would be
> better than calling somebody's logical arguments “FUD”.
>
You're right, we should call things by their name, these arguments are
illogical.
--
Vittorio
On Tue, Nov 14, 2023 at 2:28 PM Nicolas George wrote:
> but nobody here knows
>
Unsubstantiated FUD.
Move on.
Ronald
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Ronald S. Bultje (12023-11-14):
> > Nothing prevents their boss from telling them how to vote, even if the
> > ballots are secret.
> How is this not just unsubstantiated FUD?
Because it is just plain logical truth: somebody's boss CAN do what I
described in the part of my mail that you just
Hi,
On Tue, Nov 14, 2023 at 1:44 PM Nicolas George wrote:
> Nothing prevents their boss from telling them how to vote, even if the
> ballots are secret.
>
How is this not just unsubstantiated FUD? We're discussing concerns that
are randomly thrown in without evidence that they're relevant or
Le tiistaina 14. marraskuuta 2023, 20.44.18 EET Nicolas George a écrit :
> Nothing prevents their boss from telling them how to vote, even if the
> ballots are secret.
Ultimately, nothing prevents their boss from literally telling them how to
vote. But obviously unless the boss is actively
Rémi Denis-Courmont (12023-11-14):
> The French (XIXth century) Empire used notoriously public ballots, and the
> results were skewed to say the least. There is a good reason why ballots are
> supposed to be confidential.
>
> And I don't think FFmpeg is immune to the same sort of issues.
Le tiistaina 14. marraskuuta 2023, 17.56.24 EET Tomas Härdin a écrit :
> Ballots should be public IMO, secret voting is cowardice.
The French (XIXth century) Empire used notoriously public ballots, and the
results were skewed to say the least. There is a good reason why ballots are
supposed to
On Tue, Nov 14, 2023 at 10:56 AM Tomas Härdin wrote:
> Ballot secrecy cannot actually be guaranteed. While I'm not versed in
> the specifics of CIVS, I doubt it has solved problems like evil
> sysadmin. Ballots should be public IMO, secret voting is cowardice.
> That way duplicate ballots are
tis 2023-11-14 klockan 13:49 +0100 skrev Thilo Borgmann via ffmpeg-
devel:
> Am 14.11.23 um 10:28 schrieb Tomas Härdin:
> > lör 2023-11-11 klockan 10:42 +0100 skrev Jean-Baptiste Kempf:
> > >
> > > You have been told, now, several times, that a list of email is a
> > > collection of Private
Am 14.11.23 um 10:28 schrieb Tomas Härdin:
lör 2023-11-11 klockan 10:42 +0100 skrev Jean-Baptiste Kempf:
You have been told, now, several times, that a list of email is a
collection of Private Information, according to a GDPR and that you
are a process of this PI, and therefore liable to the
lör 2023-11-11 klockan 10:42 +0100 skrev Jean-Baptiste Kempf:
>
> You have been told, now, several times, that a list of email is a
> collection of Private Information, according to a GDPR and that you
> are a process of this PI, and therefore liable to the law.
Everyone with a copy of the git
On Sun, Nov 12, 2023 at 07:34:07PM +0100, Anton Khirnov wrote:
> Quoting Michael Niedermayer (2023-11-12 19:02:31)
> > On Sun, Nov 12, 2023 at 06:43:28PM +0100, J. Dekker wrote:
> > > On Sun, Nov 12, 2023, at 18:31, Michael Niedermayer wrote:
> > > > On Sun, Nov 12, 2023 at 11:03:21AM -0300, James
Quoting Michael Niedermayer (2023-11-12 19:02:31)
> On Sun, Nov 12, 2023 at 06:43:28PM +0100, J. Dekker wrote:
> > On Sun, Nov 12, 2023, at 18:31, Michael Niedermayer wrote:
> > > On Sun, Nov 12, 2023 at 11:03:21AM -0300, James Almer wrote:
> > >> On 11/12/2023 10:59 AM, Thilo Borgmann via
On Sun, Nov 12, 2023 at 06:43:28PM +0100, J. Dekker wrote:
> On Sun, Nov 12, 2023, at 18:31, Michael Niedermayer wrote:
> > On Sun, Nov 12, 2023 at 11:03:21AM -0300, James Almer wrote:
> >> On 11/12/2023 10:59 AM, Thilo Borgmann via ffmpeg-devel wrote:
> >> > I will also start the repeat vote now
On Sun, Nov 12, 2023, at 18:31, Michael Niedermayer wrote:
> On Sun, Nov 12, 2023 at 11:03:21AM -0300, James Almer wrote:
>> On 11/12/2023 10:59 AM, Thilo Borgmann via ffmpeg-devel wrote:
>> > I will also start the repeat vote now and everybody can hold their
>> > horses before going to flamewar.
On Sun, Nov 12, 2023 at 11:03:21AM -0300, James Almer wrote:
> On 11/12/2023 10:59 AM, Thilo Borgmann via ffmpeg-devel wrote:
> > I will also start the repeat vote now and everybody can hold their
> > horses before going to flamewar. Depending on JB's explanations, he
> > might still prove that
On 11/12/2023 10:59 AM, Thilo Borgmann via ffmpeg-devel wrote:
I will also start the repeat vote now and everybody can hold their
horses before going to flamewar. Depending on JB's explanations, he
might still prove that the old vote is valid and this repeat vote
becomes void.
Or you could
On Sun, Nov 12, 2023 at 2:59 PM Thilo Borgmann via ffmpeg-devel <
ffmpeg-devel@ffmpeg.org> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> for privacy reasons I must use JB's quote as given in the archives and
> need to drag this reply up one level. If the addresses in the
> redacted part need to be referred to, they shall be
Hi,
for privacy reasons I must use JB's quote as given in the archives and need to
drag this reply up one level. If the addresses in the
redacted part need to be referred to, they shall be referred to as AddressA and
AddressB.
I will address more replies once time allows, JB's reply is
On Sat, Nov 11, 2023 at 2:22 AM Thilo Borgmann via ffmpeg-devel <
ffmpeg-devel@ffmpeg.org> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> in [1] JB listed his list of authorized voters for the "GA voters list
> updates"
> vote.
>
> This list does not correlate with the list Josh provided in [2].
> Neither does this list of 51
On Sat, Nov 11, 2023 at 05:58:43PM +0100, Nicolas George wrote:
> Michael Niedermayer (12023-11-11):
> > Also iam not sure resending mails to different addressed when they bounce
> > is safe
> > Lets just consider i receive a mail at niedermayer.cc, i could construct a
> > bounce and
> > send it
On Sat, 11 Nov 2023, at 17:58, Nicolas George wrote:
> Michael Niedermayer (12023-11-11):
>> Lets just consider i receive a mail at niedermayer.cc, i could construct a
>> bounce and
>> send it back while still voting with the token in it. If i now get a mail at
>> gmx.at
>> i could vote
Michael Niedermayer (12023-11-11):
> Also iam not sure resending mails to different addressed when they bounce is
> safe
> Lets just consider i receive a mail at niedermayer.cc, i could construct a
> bounce and
> send it back while still voting with the token in it. If i now get a mail at
>
Hi jb and everyone else
On Sat, Nov 11, 2023 at 10:54:20AM +0100, Jean-Baptiste Kempf wrote:
> On Sat, 11 Nov 2023, at 08:22, Thilo Borgmann via ffmpeg-devel wrote:
> > Neither does this list of 51 people [1] correlate to the 54 authorized
> > voters
> > (distinct email addresses) the CIVS
On 11/11/2023 4:22 AM, Thilo Borgmann via ffmpeg-devel wrote:
Hi,
in [1] JB listed his list of authorized voters for the "GA voters list
updates"
vote.
This list does not correlate with the list Josh provided in [2].
Neither does this list of 51 people [1] correlate to the 54 authorized
Le lauantaina 11. marraskuuta 2023, 13.15.37 EET Nicolas George a écrit :
> Rémi Denis-Courmont (12023-11-11):
> > 1) As far as was communicated, the total of alleged discrepancies in the
> > voter list could not affect the result. That makes the vote valid in my
> > book, and also in the legal or
Rémi Denis-Courmont (12023-11-11):
> 1) As far as was communicated, the total of alleged discrepancies in the
> voter
> list could not affect the result. That makes the vote valid in my book, and
> also in the legal or predecential standards in democracies: if elections were
> overturned for
Le lauantaina 11. marraskuuta 2023, 9.22.19 EET Thilo Borgmann via ffmpeg-devel
a écrit :
> As the admin responsible of the votes it is my duty to have supervision of
> all polls and thus it is my duty to declare this vote null and void for the
> flaws given above.
As noted several times by
On Sat, 11 Nov 2023, at 08:22, Thilo Borgmann via ffmpeg-devel wrote
> The authorized voters for the repeated vote [2] reads as follows:
>
> mich...@niedermayer.cc
> one...@gmail.com
> jamr...@gmail.com
> andreas.rheinha...@gmail.com
> s...@jkqxz.net
> c...@passwd.hu
> ceffm...@gmail.com
>
Nov 11, 2023, 08:58 by an...@khirnov.net:
> Also as I said before, option A won its contests against options B/C/D
> by 17/7, 23/1, and 17/7, respectively. You would thus need to change 10
> votes to have any chance of a different result. As the number of
> disputed voters is nowhere near 10,
> -Original Message-
> From: ffmpeg-devel On Behalf Of Anton
> Khirnov
> Sent: 2023年11月11日 15:58
> To: FFmpeg development discussions and patches
> Subject: Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [ANNOUNCE] Repeat vote: GA voters list updates
>
> Quoting Thilo Borgmann via ffmpeg
Quoting Thilo Borgmann via ffmpeg-devel (2023-11-11 08:22:19)
> Hi,
>
> in [1] JB listed his list of authorized voters for the "GA voters list
> updates"
> vote.
>
> This list does not correlate with the list Josh provided in [2].
The word 'correlate' does not mean what you seem to think it
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