as the grain in (say) Kodak Gold 100.
Rob
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gies.
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"Hersch Nitikman" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
perfect 0-0-255. If it is the sky, then it should elicit the response that
it is what a sky looks like...
Ultimately, if we're able to scan and print the pictures and we like the
results,
that's what really matters. :)
in general, an original oil
"Henry Richardson" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The Minolta Scan Elite, Scan Dual I, and Scan Speed also have single pass
multi-scanning.
Oops. This is mentioned in the Vuescan help file. My mistake. Anyway, a
lot
of scanners *can't* do it. :)
Rob
"Hersch Nitikman" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
As everyone knows, you can buy a plug-in outlet array that would have 3
sockets in exchange for the one it is plugged into. Would using one of
those to get the extra outlet to convert a 3-outlet unit to a 4 or
5-outlet
one cause big problems?
I
"Erik Kaffehr" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Yes, indeed. What I mean is that each line should be scanned twice, once
with
1x exposure and the second time with 8x exposure. After that the film
should
be stepped to the next position. Most scanner should be able to do
this
In theory but not in
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The film is wound around a small spool in the back of the
strip film holder, and it tends to curl if left in the holder
too long. This has nothing to do with the light source.
Eek! I just opened it up and had a look. This would be worst with the last
couple of
This evening I've been scanning a roll of Provia 100F with Vuescan. I took
these photos yesterday - a bright summer morning in sub-tropical Queensland
Australia. There are several photos with the sea in the
background, but the scanner just can't seem to see the subtle blue-green of
the shallower
"shAf" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Rob writes ...
Can I just ask - do you mean they can't be reproduced by a
reflective medium like a photograph? Surely pure red *does*
exist in the natural world, even if it's only in the light
of a rainbow or a laser beam for instance?
I am claiming
"Tony Sleep" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
There's no sign of weak cyans-blues in the LS30 Q60 samples, it's all
pretty even
and saturated. What does the LS30 Q60 look like on your monitor?
As it happens, after printing one of the photos last night and before
reading
this response, I started
"Roman Kielich" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
you are probably right. I got a roll of Supra 100 today. From promo info
it appears that fine grain is responsible for scanability, plus an
overcoat
to minimise scraches. Still, need few days to finish the roll.
Wish I could have bought just one! I
"Tony Sleep" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Don't get me wrong, Provia is wonderful stuff if you live somewhere sunny
or use a
studio.
I just shot a roll of 100F this morning in wonderful, sunny Queensland
Australia. :)
But the main feature of 100F that I love is the lack of apparent grain when
"Tony Sleep" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
but these are proper contact sheet size and include the film rebate -
or reasonable facsimile as they show no frame numbers or mfr info.
Oh! That *would* be useless due to the limitations of the digital
printing process.
Rob
Marc wrote:
Is it normal for the LS-30 to automatically eject the film
from the scanner after a certain amount of time of inactivity?
Yes. Presumably it's to avoid overheating the film.
Rob
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On Fri, 19 Jan 2001 09:29:57 +1000, Rob Geraghty wrote:
Yes. Presumably it's to avoid overheating the film.
This reminds me of a question I had recently based on curling comments
- I thought the "Coolscan" used LED's which didn't produce much heat?
Admittedly even a little heat builds
"Roman Kielich" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
suspect, kodak may have done similar. let me know teh results of your
experiment before February (I am heading to Coffs in two weeks).
On a related topic, here's two jpegs I scanned off the roll of Provia 400F.
The photo was scanned at 2700dpi using an
Roger wrote:
[snip]
So, unfortunately, you won't have a negative colour image
after the second (Colour) developer.
Doesn't this stuff relate to cross-processing somehow? Or is it only
possible to cross process from a neg film to E6 not the other way around?
Rob
"Roman Kielich" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
tell you anything? How many people would buy it? How many rolls? how much
can we (KOdak, Agfa, Fuji) make on it? what is return on investment? Big
companies answer to shareholders, not to whims of some
photo-digi-fanatics.
BTW speaking of supply and
"Roman Kielich" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
does anyone know, which feature of Kodak Supra makes it scanner friendly?
I just bought 5 rolls and will try it out this week - so I don't know
the answer to your question for sure yet. I *believe* it's a different
grain structure which produces less
"Roman Kielich" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
One Nikon LS30 buys at least 2 Nikon cameras.
I think you mean one LS2000 buys 2 Nikon cameras,
unless Nikon SLRs just got a lot cheaper than last I checked. ;)
Rob
John wrote:
Has anyone seen Provia 400F for sale? It was announced a while
ago but I haven't seen it.
I have just finished a roll of it, so it's available in Australia.
I haven't processed it yet to find out how it compares with 100F
for scanning purposes.
Rob
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Tony wrote:
On Tue, 16 Jan 2001 22:34:12 +1000 Rob Geraghty ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
I think you mean one LS2000 buys 2 Nikon cameras,
unless Nikon SLRs just got a lot cheaper than last I checked. ;)
Are F5's that cheap in USA?!
I don't know - I live in Australia! I was thinking along
. :) I believe some of the newer minilabs are actually
doing the 6x4's from scaning the film. Some of the local labs
are (presumably in a separate process to printing) scanning
the films an dmaking Kodak Picture CDs.
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to
400ASA would still have finer grain than a purpose made 400ASA film. Apparently
the increase in grain in 100F isn't that bad. In which case why did Fuji
bother making 400F?
Rob
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darkroom site?
If you grab some keywords from the above paragraph and feed them into hotbot
or some other search engine it should be easy to find Ian's site.
Rob
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multiple exposures and/or
multiple input ranges pretty much does the same thing,
doesn't it?
That's something else. I've tried to aviod the idea of hardware that is
variable because I'm just talking about a given piece of hardware - like
my LS30 - which can't vary the input to the D/A.
Rob
Rob
is up to
date, and install the security patches from Microsoft
so you are not vulnerable to viruses or worms which
exploit the holes in Microsoft's security. I use McAfee
Virus Scan.
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Try increasing the preview dpi and see if you get a closer match between
vuescan and PS.
- Original Message -
From: "Gordon Tassi" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2001 2:20 PM
Subject: Re: filmscanners: VueScan 6.4.x suggestion
Ed: I found the same
* for these
areas but less so for the more dense areas of the film.
In the case of a neg where you want to expand the subtle range of tonal
shifts in the neg, surely the more bits the merrier?
Rob
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to the
A/D, but I disagree that more bits are useless for most of the image - quite
the contrary.
Rob
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way!)
Rob
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g sense now? :)
Rob
PS My apologies to those increasingly disinterested in this thread - I was
hoping I could find a useful, practical conclusion at the end of it. Now
that I have one, I will try not to pursue the pedantic details. :)
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,
setting the LS2000 to similar output ought to create the same vibration.
Has anyone tried this? If it does generate jaggies on the LS2000 it would
be nice corroboration of the issue to report to Nikon.
Rob
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"Colin Maddock" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Won't the 12bit a/d converter allow the information
between 4mv and the 1mv noise level to be resolved?
It may, but I think Julian's point is valid which is that for
a given sensitivity from the analog circuitry, changing the
A/D won't make any
Hemingway described.
In fact, referring back to my argument above, there's no reason why an 8
bit per channel scanner couldn't have a dynamic range of (say) 4 if the
analog circuitry is capable of measuring that range of light intensities.
Rob
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the sound of your scanner I'd seriously look at getting it back to
Nikon for testing and maybe replacement of the stepper motor.
Rob
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"Oostrom, Jerry" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Perhaps that is the reason that at times it didn't work for some
people?
No, I'd say most people used the supplied URL and clicked on the download
button without finding the "Sign In" link, going through the login process
to get to the list of files
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Nikon is a big company, and I'll bet that their engineers don't even
know about the jaggies problem and the solution to this problem.
Does anyone have any ideas how we can raise this with Nikon tech support?
Maybe an email address we can get lots of Nikon scanner
"ALLM Rose" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
My LS-30 stutters and the light on the slide surface blinks on and off
occasionally when I scan-no matter what option-whether it is Nikonscan or
Vuescan.
AFAIK the LS30 normally does that at various stages in the process of
scanning. It has to do passes
or
the address itself.
Regards,
Rob
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Ed wrote:
log10(2^13) = 3.913
log10(2^14) = 4.214
Thanks, Ed! I remember Tony saying many times that there was no standard
way of calculating DR from scanners, but it looks like the manufacturers
have simply used the mathematics based on the bits from the A/D.
Rob
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Dave wrote:
yes, it also mentions April availability
(March for the LS-4000 ED; $1,695).
Wouldn't Nikon be expected to have a price comparable
to the Polaroid SS4000?
Regards,
Rob
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. For instance, a scanner may
have wonderful DR but poor sharpness or poor accuracy
of colour reproduction. Or conversely it may have
excellent clarity and colour reproduction but not the
best dynamic range. If the noise is low, a poor DR
may not matter *too* much in a lot of situations.
Rob
Rob
Michael Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
one is D)... but how do I get Photoshop to use the new D drive whenever
it needs to while processing the image... I bought this thing to speed
up my scan times and Photoshop times Thanks...
Look at the scratch disk settings in the Preferences in PS.
Lynda Farabee [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
My first problem is making multiple scans with Coolscan II. The
software indicates a strip of negs can be scanned at once. But I get
one scanned and then nothing more.??? How do I get multiple
scans? -L
It's really easy to do with Vuescan, but
Mikkel Høj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
It takes some time to update my screen in PS6.
(On a PC with enough RAM and a PIII processsor.)
Is it my no name (2D, 8 MB shared) graphics card? Or?
Watch the hard drive for activity. It's likely that the process you are
waiting for has
caused PS to write
Bob Glenna Marin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The way an OS sets up a RAM disk is by "stealing" or allocating some RAM
from main memory.
I'm aware of that. I program computers for a living. :)
This is, essentially what PS is doing normally.
In some respects yes - for things like the workspace
Henry Richardson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I sent my first message to this list yesterday and I don't know if it
actually got out since I have not received any replies. I will send it
again. I hope someone can help.
I for one was waiting for a response from Ed.
in always using the Clean
Laurie Solomon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I am surprised you did not know that [RC prints] were not as archival
as fiber based prints and that you are surprised by this. However, I
bet you knew it all along and are just pulling out legs. :-)
Yeah, I knew that only the archival reliability of
Michael Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hey, Rob, I wouldn't be so quick to say that what you shoot today might
not be of
interest to someone in 50 years. Quite the contrary... one reason, I have
seen
your web page, you have a lot of nice shots...
Thanks, Mike. :) Now if only I could make
Chris McBrien [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
also the more images that we can store on a piece of media,
the more 'we' are liable to loose should the media fail. I can just
get one image from my FujiFilm MX2900 Zoom onto a 1.44MB floppy. It
could be argued that I may just loose one image if
:-) I was trying to avoid the confusion of explaining 2 things at once,
but did manage to word it misleadingly. Just pretend it's a Kodak
RFS3570, they use a matrixCCD ;)
Fair enough! For the purposes of the explanation, I don't think it's a
significant issue.
Rob
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as a plugin would be crippled.
Rob
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lides away from humidity and heat when I
live in a sub-tropical area.
I'm not disagreeing that Kodachrome and archival BW prints are the best
long term storage we know about for certain at the moment. I'm only saying
they're impractical for a lot of people.
Rob
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st and scratches without an
IR channel but it works much better *with* an IR channel. There's other
software which attempts to remove dust and scratches - I think Polaroid's
Insight has such a filter, and I think there's one in PS5 (or later) as
well.
Rob
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Pete wrote:
Rob Geraghty wrote:
Oh. I didn't realise you were talking about a system
that required a change in the signal from the camera onward.
C'mon Rob, you're windin' me up entcha? I'm sure you
know that I meant the HDTV camera, and not our still cameras.
I knew you were talking about
kes a film scanner with 2700dpi
resolution for the kinds of prices flatbeds have come down to.
Rob
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t be worth confusing people with.
Only pedants like me would point it out. ;)
Rob
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actical
alternatives at the moment, so we just need to know how to make the best
of what we have.
Rob
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digicams, but they
aren't cheap (yet)!
Having said that, Acer seems to have taken the bull by the horns in providing
a reasonably priced film scanner with ICE.
Rob
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Most of Timo's mistaken impressions about scanning negatives
come from his trying to use a UMAX PowerLook III scanner
to scan negatives.
Ed, does vuescan work with any USB scanners in Windows and if so, which
ones?
Also, do you (or does anyone on the list) know
appearing in scans of negative film.
Why would you want to do it... haven't we been talking about increased
apparent grain for a couple of years now?
How does interpolation increase grain?
Er - I thought we were talking about *decreasing* the apparent grain by
filtering?
Rob
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: "20001201 0101".
I still have to find a program to track all the pictures, since a naming
convention like that clearly doesn't tell you what's in the picture!
Rob
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instead of 8 bits per channel.
Do the filter in Photoshop work with 16bit data yet?
Rob
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. I can undersand you wondering why anyone would want to
increase it even more.
Rob
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. :(
Rob
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ly another technique to look at.
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ered
closer together than "1" and "2". If you name the files "name01"..."name36",
your problem should go away.
Regards,
Rob
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looks random if you
don't know about the ASCII sorting. Once you understand that, it's easy
to get the sorting right with leading zeroes.
Rob
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ot;1-bit filter" or something like that.
Rob
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haven't scanner manufacturers used anti-aliasing filters of some
description in the input stages of their designs?
Rob
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Tony Sleep [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'm not going to try and explain this properly without graphics, as (heck,
is that the
time) I have work to do, and it will be instantly obvious what the problem
is from a
web page I am working on.
Speaking of web pages, I just modified my scanning page,
at the nyquist limit. Presumably
in some way this is analogous to what "true fractals" does?
Rob
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=shAf= [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I wonder if they could impliment profiles the same as Adobe ...
Profile support is already there, but the program itself only supports the
sRGB colour space.
Maybe you could ask in the PSP newsgroup? Kris from JASC is always
listening for good
ideas.
Craig W. Shier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
physically implementable scanner. If the sample areas
are sufficiently samll. i.e. if they do not overlap,
there will be no reduction in sharpness for a
sufficiently high resolution scan. For example, if
your lens resolves 50 lppm, a 2540 dpi scan
the cause of increased apparent grain and as Tony
mentioned, colour distortions.
Regards,
Rob
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photographic types a little better. :)
Rob
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Austin Franklin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Interesting! Is aliasing THE reason why scanning loses some sharpness.
What do you think aliasing is? I am curious what you base your claim
above
on, and I do not believe it is a correct statement.
In my experience with the LS30, aliasing doesn't
Verbeke Jean-Pierre [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Since the purchase of the LS2000 I noticed some fair amount of black noise
and posterisation.
Have you checked Nikonscan to see if it is set for 16bit output?
Rob
Roman Kielich® [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[re edge preserving smooth]
does it work in Photoshop? is it one of *.8?? kind?
Worse than that - it's an integral component of PSP7. :)
Rob
Pete wrote:
Anyway, this is definitely NOT the way that the human eye works.
I don't think anyone has made a biological light sensor for colour
calibration. :)
The human eye has only 3 colour sensors, with nearly 100%
overlap in their spectral responses.
I'm reasonably certain this is
Julian Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I haven't been in the loop on this, but Rob's preference for slides over
negs on his LS30 surprises me - I get satisfying negative scans now out of
my Nikon scanner but still have trouble with slides.
From what you write later, it sounds like you
Tony Sleep [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I suspect that much of the problem is the LS30 sensitivity to film grain,
which may be
producing a lot of aliasing 'noise' with some neg films.
Speaking of which, did anyone try Kodak Supra 100 or 400? How does it
compare with Fuji 100?
Rob
Richard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Monitor yes, printer no. You need a flatbed to scan back in a test
print
produced by the profiling software in order to make a profile for the
printer.
This seems a mad way to go about profiling. Wouldn't it make more sense
for
Optical to supply a special
Colin Maddock [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Rob Geraghty wrote:
I have found (thanks to the folks in the PSP newsgroup) a filter in PSP7
which looks *really* useful. It's an edge preserving smooth. It seems
to
work really well to remove grain without losing focus in the image.
On a general note
Tony Sleep [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Yes, probably a factor. Another possibility is the limited bit depth of
the
LS30. This would be more of an issue on negs than slides due to the
compressed
range of negatives.
It should be the opposite.
Agreed!!!
Rob
Theo Heindl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Perfection 1640 Photo is on my short list for quite a wile but have been
wondering about the stated resolution (1600x3200). I need a scanner
which does 35 mm slides negatives (my hobby) and microfiche to scan
store my spar parts on the PC (for bussiness)
Roman Kielich® [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
negs and slides are very alike. Both use silver halides, and multiple
layer
design (2-3 layers for one band, varied speed). Even films like Astia
100 -
3 yellow, 3 magenta, 3 cyan, plus auxiliary. This is a common concept.
Sure, but I was thinking of
or any other Nikon scanner.
Rob
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it is compressed? Wouldn't the least significant
bits be the dark areas in slides and beyond the brightest parts of negs?
Rob
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Michael Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I find it hard to understand why people insist on using slide film for
studio work.
Because you can colour match from the original, and they scan a whole lot
better than negs.
Many publishers still insist on transparencies.
Rob
looks fine as a photographic print is really
hard to get to look as good as a scan. Slides are much simpler to work
with, at least in my experience with the LS30.
Rob
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for whatever purpose *you* need, and see which
works best for you.
Rob
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Rick Trankle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Where does one get a piece of ND filter? Does this refer to NEUTRAL
DENSITY (ND) FILTER? Will a piece of lighting gel do?
If you just want film without colour, wouldn't a silver based BW film work?
Rob
tioned IDE
RAID arrays elsewhere).
Rob
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scanned? If it is of importance, it sounds
like you need to shoot another roll of film to get the exposure right -
then try the LS30 with both Nikonscan and Vuescan.
Which version of Nikonscan are you using? Is the autofocus enabled?
Rob
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h for what and whom?
Rob
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- but for for those of us with less money and less than perfect
operating conditions, an IDE array gets results which are greatly improved
over normal IDE for quite a low price.
Rob
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-
but since buying the film scanner it's getting annoying!
Tony, I hope this isn't OT - I find the speed of loading and saving scans
one of the most annoying aspects of using the film scanner.
Rob
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