[filmscanners] Re: Color spaces for different purposes

2002-06-09 Thread Anthony Atkielski
Tony writes: This is only a minor sharpening to restore the sharpness of the original ... Sharpness cannot be restored, it can only be simulated. Sharpening causes deterioration in image quality, so it should be avoided until the image is about to be prepared for a specific use. I archive

[filmscanners] Re: Color spaces for different purposes

2002-06-09 Thread Anthony Atkielski
Laurie writes: Theoretically maybe ... All images are bitmaps at the time of sharpening. The format in which they were or will be stored is irrelevant. Additionally, all sharpening degrades an image, so it should not be carried out for images that are being archived, as you may need the

[filmscanners] Re: Color spaces for different purposes

2002-06-09 Thread Anthony Atkielski
Ken writes: But when printing it's best to go direct from the TIFF isn't it? It doesn't matter. When producing for the web, yes, I go to jpeg and then sharpen. You can't. All images are bitmaps while you are manipulating them. JPEG and TIFF are just file formats.

[filmscanners] Re: Color spaces for different purposes

2002-06-09 Thread Anthony Atkielski
Preston writes: One pre-press expert in my area recommends ColorMatchRGB instead of Adobe98 for pre-press work. Is this a Mac vs. PC thing? No, it is more of a printed-on-paper vs. electronic-display thing. ColorMatchRGB is designed for print, whereas Adobe98 is for more general use and has

[filmscanners] Re: Color spaces for different purposes

2002-06-09 Thread Anthony Atkielski
Ken writes: ... but could someone offer a technical explanation of why sharpening has so much more visible effect on jpegs as opposed to TIFFs? It doesn't. Unsubscribe by mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], with

[filmscanners] Re: Color spaces for different purposes

2002-06-09 Thread Anthony Atkielski
Laurie writes: ... how does one sharpen between the conversion stage and the compression stage? One does not. There seems to be a widespread misconception here. While you are editing an image, it _does not have_ a format; it isn't JPEG, or TIFF, or anything else. The image is stored on a

[filmscanners] Re: Color spaces for different purposes

2002-06-09 Thread Anthony Atkielski
Maris writes: Sharpening at that point was what I was suggesting, before saving as a more-compressed JPG. Sharpening permanently diminishes the quality of an image, and it also makes the resulting JPEG file somewhat larger.

[filmscanners] Re: Color spaces for different purposes

2002-06-09 Thread Don Marcotte
I support Ken. I'm currently scanning a large number of rolls of negative film. They are just 10x.6.67 inch by 72 ppi images for screen display. I'm keeping them in an electronic catalog of my images. Unless something has changed in Photo Shop 7, which I recently acquired, sharpening is much more

[filmscanners] Re: Color spaces for different purposes

2002-06-09 Thread Andrew Darlow
Tomek Zakrzewski [EMAIL PROTECTED] asked: What color spaces is best to choose for the following purposes: - printed material, for example a magazine or a photographic book - stock photography (image bank) - inkjet and Maris V. Lidaka Sr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] suggested: I also would suggest Adobe

[filmscanners] Re: Color spaces for different purposes

2002-06-09 Thread Maris V. Lidaka Sr.
- Original Message - From: Andrew Darlow [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, June 09, 2002 9:55 AM Subject: [filmscanners] Re: Color spaces for different purposes Tomek Zakrzewski [EMAIL PROTECTED] asked: What color spaces is best to choose for the following purposes: - printed

[filmscanners] RE: Color spaces for different purposes

2002-06-09 Thread Laurie Solomon
] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Anthony Atkielski Sent: Sunday, June 09, 2002 3:29 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [filmscanners] Re: Color spaces for different purposes Laurie writes: ... how does one sharpen between the conversion stage and the compression stage? One does

[filmscanners] RE: Color spaces for different purposes

2002-06-09 Thread Laurie Solomon
Of Anthony Atkielski Sent: Sunday, June 09, 2002 3:24 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [filmscanners] Re: Color spaces for different purposes Laurie writes: Theoretically maybe ... All images are bitmaps at the time of sharpening. The format in which they were or will be stored is irrelevant

[filmscanners] Re: Color spaces for different purposes

2002-06-09 Thread Anthony Atkielski
Laurie writes: In practice, I do not think they are seperable so as to allow some other action to be carried out between the two processes, although it may be theoretically possible. JPEG encoding requires the rough equivalent of a Fourier transformation on the data; once that is

[filmscanners] RE: Color spaces for different purposes

2002-06-09 Thread Laurie Solomon
: Sunday, June 09, 2002 8:16 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [filmscanners] Re: Color spaces for different purposes Laurie writes: In practice, I do not think they are seperable so as to allow some other action to be carried out between the two processes, although it may be theoretically possible

[filmscanners] RE: Color spaces for different purposes

2002-06-08 Thread michael shaffer
Tomek writes ... What color spaces is best to choose for the following purposes: - printed material, for example a magazine or a photographic book - stock photography (image bank) - inkjet I want to scan my images in the most appropriate color space for the purpose but don't want to use

[filmscanners] Re: Color spaces for different purposes

2002-06-08 Thread Tony Terlecki
On Sat, Jun 08, 2002 at 11:41:40AM +0200, Tomek Zakrzewski wrote: What color spaces is best to choose for the following purposes: - printed material, for example a magazine or a photographic book - stock photography (image bank) - inkjet I want to scan my images in the most appropriate color

[filmscanners] Re: Color spaces for different purposes

2002-06-08 Thread Ken Durling
On Sat, 8 Jun 2002 16:17:30 +0100, you wrote: Personally I do some sharpening for an archival image that may end up going to different outputs. This is only a minor sharpening to restore the sharpness of the original which is almost always softened by the scanning process. Most images will

[filmscanners] Re: Color spaces for different purposes

2002-06-08 Thread Maris V. Lidaka Sr.
Probably the artifacts created in the compression process. It would probably be better to convert to JPG first and then sharpen. Maris - Original Message - From: Ken Durling [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, June 08, 2002 11:05 AM Subject: [filmscanners] Re: Color

[filmscanners] RE: Color spaces for different purposes

2002-06-08 Thread Laurie Solomon
] Subject: [filmscanners] Re: Color spaces for different purposes Probably the artifacts created in the compression process. It would probably be better to convert to JPG first and then sharpen. Maris - Original Message - From: Ken Durling [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent

[filmscanners] Re: Color spaces for different purposes

2002-06-08 Thread Ken Durling
On Sat, 8 Jun 2002 11:56:29 -0500, you wrote: Theoretically maybe; but out of curiosity, how does one do this in actuality when one would have to first decompress the JPG file before one could carry out the sharpening operations. Afterwhich, one would then recompress the file again in its

[filmscanners] RE: Color spaces for different purposes

2002-06-08 Thread Laurie Solomon
AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [filmscanners] Re: Color spaces for different purposes Tomek Zakrzewski [EMAIL PROTECTED] asked: What color spaces is best to choose for the following purposes: - printed material, for example a magazine or a photographic book - stock photography (image bank

[filmscanners] Re: Color spaces for different purposes

2002-06-08 Thread Ken Durling
On Sat, 8 Jun 2002 11:33:05 -0500, you wrote: Probably the artifacts created in the compression process. It would probably be better to convert to JPG first and then sharpen. But when printing it's best to go direct from the TIFF isn't it? This is where I run into it. When producing for the

[filmscanners] Re: Color spaces for different purposes

2002-06-08 Thread Maris V. Lidaka Sr.
08, 2002 11:58 AM Subject: [filmscanners] Re: Color spaces for different purposes On Sat, 8 Jun 2002 11:56:29 -0500, you wrote: Theoretically maybe; but out of curiosity, how does one do this in actuality when one would have to first decompress the JPG file before one could carry out

[filmscanners] Re: Color spaces for different purposes

2002-06-08 Thread Maris V. Lidaka Sr.
: [filmscanners] Re: Color spaces for different purposes On Sat, 8 Jun 2002 11:33:05 -0500, you wrote: Probably the artifacts created in the compression process. It would probably be better to convert to JPG first and then sharpen. But when printing it's best to go direct from the TIFF isn't

[filmscanners] RE: Color spaces for different purposes

2002-06-08 Thread Laurie Solomon
in the compressed JPG. Maris - Original Message - From: Laurie Solomon [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, June 08, 2002 11:56 AM Subject: [filmscanners] RE: Color spaces for different purposes It would probably be better to convert to JPG first and then sharpen

[filmscanners] RE: Color spaces for different purposes

2002-06-08 Thread Laurie Solomon
: [filmscanners] Re: Color spaces for different purposes On Sat, 8 Jun 2002 11:56:29 -0500, you wrote: Theoretically maybe; but out of curiosity, how does one do this in actuality when one would have to first decompress the JPG file before one could carry out the sharpening operations. Afterwhich, one

[filmscanners] Re: Color spaces for different purposes

2002-06-08 Thread Maris V. Lidaka Sr.
JPG. Maris - Original Message - From: Laurie Solomon [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, June 08, 2002 3:35 PM Subject: [filmscanners] RE: Color spaces for different purposes Alas, either I am misunderstanding you or I am terribly confused; both options are entirely

[filmscanners] RE: Color spaces for different purposes

2002-06-08 Thread Laurie Solomon
, 2002 4:40 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [filmscanners] Re: Color spaces for different purposes At this point it's moot since Ken said he resizes in TIFF and sharpens, but I think you are correct - conversion from TIFF to JPG reduces file size and apparently compresses, I would think to Maximum