upgrading to Photoshop CS
On Wednesday, November 12, 2003, at 11:05 PM, KARL SCHULMEISTERS wrote:
The nice thing about Elements, is that it allows you to upgrade to
full PS
for a discount.
Having worked with Photoshop Cs for about a week I am pretty impressed
and certainly think it is worth
The nice thing about Elements, is that it allows you to upgrade to full PS
for a discount.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, November 10, 2003 10:27 PM
Subject: [filmscanners] RE: PS Elements 2.0
No to both questions, that is no 16bit
David,
I think you have pre-judged the issue and are mixing emotional rhetoric with
supportable and reproducible/verifiable results.
your arguement that on a 'pixel level' film scans aren't the same quality as
10D images is a prime example.
a) its not clear what comparison metric you are using
b)
Thats what I get for doing math late at night, my bad.
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From: Paul D. DeRocco [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 10:19 PM
Subject: [filmscanners] RE: Pixels and Prints
From: KARL SCHULMEISTERS
Realistically, a 6mPixel camera
Upsampling always results in some loss - it might be artifacts, it might be
loss of tonal gradation. My math was late night error. My practical
experience is that I have yet to see a digicam image of less than 10+mPixels
that looks as good printed at 11x17 as 35mm scanned at 4000dpi printed to
The idea that you won't have grain is somewhat misleading. When you
upsize to 11x17, you will have the equiv of grain in the form of digital
artifacts. At even 8x10, I can tell the difference between a 35mm film
image and a 6mpixel Camera, and it is even more obvious at 11x17.
Realistically, a
Ok, I'll try it and see - 14 stops huh?! hmmm
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From: Tony Sleep [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, October 17, 2003 2:10 AM
Subject: [filmscanners] Re: scanning TMAX 3200
KARL SCHULMEISTERS wrote:
The reason I question the 'great dynamic range
The reason I question the 'great dynamic range' is that the best color films
only get about 7-8 stops of dynamic range. And since chromogenic BW films
essentially use the same technology/photochemistry, I'd be very surprised if
they can exceed that (slide film is around 4-5 stops). The
] Re: scanning TMAX 3200
on 10/13/03 7:57 AM, KARL SCHULMEISTERS at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Besides the sharpness of BW film that others have commented on, BW film
has much greater dynamic range than color film (some film approaches 12
stops), an you can control contrast in 'difficult
: don schaefer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, October 13, 2003 7:40 PM
Subject: [filmscanners] Re: TMAX/grain/BWscanning/dynamic range
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 06:57:38 -0700
From: KARL SCHULMEISTERS [EMAIL PROTECTED]
BW film has much
Good point about the one hour type lab. I develop my own BW - though I
know of 3 good labs in town to which I send most of the color work. One of
them does excellent drum scans which I go to when I have an image I really
want to get 'right'. Still saving up for my own Imacon.
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Besides the sharpness of BW film that others have commented on, BW film
has much greater dynamic range than color film (some film approaches 12
stops), an you can control contrast in 'difficult' situations via Zone
System manipulations.
Lots of reasons to shoot BW -
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The Sigma cameras with Foveon chips are getting an anecdotal reputation of
having difficulty with color fidelity.
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From: Arthur Entlich [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, September 12, 2003 3:20 PM
Subject: [filmscanners] Re: Why DSLR ouput looks
There is another aspect of digicams that should be driving their prices
lower than they have been so far:
Shutter cycle life. The best shutters in the world have a theoretical cycle
life of around 300,000 cycles. Practical shutter life spans are closer to
150,000-200,000.So on a $2000
I worked for Corbis back in the days when they were first setting up their
labs, and while I wasn't directly involved with the lab work or the image
taxonomy, a good friend of mine was the guy who designed their initial
scanning labs. The room was a restricted room, ventilated with prefiltered
Laurie
Your point about the use of tilt-shift etc. controls for architectural is
well made. In my minds eye I was seeing the classic Arch Dig. image of some
new-fangled interior shot - which is far more about lighting than the use of
the controls. For interior work you aren't using selective
Windows XP comes with a simple version of that built right into the default
image viewer.
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From: Michael Eisenstadt [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, December 02, 2002 3:04 PM
Subject: [filmscanners] Re: Looking for simple presentation software
If
I know this is a bit old but I also agree that price points will come down.
Moore's Second Law of Computers is that the 'price of silicon acerage' is
constant. IE as density goes up, the only way to bring cost down is to
bring size down. There are all sorts of factors in this, including yield
Having been on the road now a lot since Sept 11, the deal is that unless you
do the kind of search and interview that El Al does, all the 1st World
airport screening does is screen out the idiots who after having one two
many cocktails on the plane, MIGHT pull out a gun.
It doesn't take much
Well whether or not the 'official process' has been followed is somewhat
irrelevant. I just got back from a multi-stop hop into, within and back
home from Europe. Here is what I found
I took all my film, put it in a ziplock baggy, and made sure I had some 1600
in there marked PUSH. With that
I just got done with a 2 week trip through Europe. I did the bit of mixing
various film speeds including Provia 1600 marked as Push 3200. I had no
hassles at SeaTac, OHare, Charles-DeGaulle intra-europe, Munich
intra-europe, Turin intra-Europe. But at CDG headed for the USA I almost
lost all of
: Color Negative Film Poll
Karl Schulmeisters wrote:
Their comment: Get a Film Bag so that everything can go trough the
scanner...
I think that they can pump up the dose and see through the bags as well if
they
look suspicious.
rob
and compressed air from a rather healthy air compressor (not damaging neg,
however),
What PSI are you using as your threshold?
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From: jimhayes [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2001 7:48 AM
Subject: Re: filmscanners: Dust in
My understanding is that it is the lacquer finish coat that causes the
degradation. IE exposure to light and to airborne oxidants slowly makes it
opaque enough to cause read errors.
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From: David Lewiston [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, September
I've used these in other situations (air horn for sailboat racing) and they
work well.
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From: Gregory Georges [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, September 17, 2001 8:02 AM
Subject: RE: filmscanners: brandnew user queries
I saw them at CompUSA.
Respectfully
Creativity in and of itself, is not that scarce. OTOH, creative works, that
contain a message that translates generally are. My wife owns a gallery and
art school. The number of folks who come in with SOMETHING created, and the
creativity of even the grade school participants
Thanks I've always wondered what the big deal with glass carriers was
because I figured dust would be a hassle, and any glass between the negative
and the sensor (be it CCD or PhotoPaper) simply serves to decrease contrast.
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From: Tony Sleep [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To:
My understanding of Newton Rings is that they came from the same source as
the rainbow on an oil-slick or a thin prism put on a reflector. Namely you
are getting 1/2 wave interference patterns from the light reflected at each
boundary layer - a boundary layer is where the optical density, (or
Under Windows 2000 Pro onwards, SCSI drives are PnP.
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From: Ian Boag [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2001 6:50 PM
Subject: RE: filmscanners: Best filmscanner, period!!! (strange title!)
Wotta crusty old bastard. Have to say though
There are a couple of other considerations why MF is popular in wedding
photos
Lots of weddings are shot in poor light - both during the ceremony and the
candids, there is only so much the portable flash can do. MF film, because
of its larger image gathering area, performs better in the 'lower
regards--LRA
From: Arthur Entlich [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: filmscanners: Best digital archive medium for scans?
Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 01:26:22 -0700
Karl Schulmeisters wrote:
So for a 20 year archive, I would print to 2
I will need to look at iView (though I currently run on the PC platform).
My base requirements are just the ability to track images based on keywords,
date, serial number, submission history, submission status, rights status,
and possibly a thumbnail (I don't scan everything).
The ideal would
Respectfully, I agree with much of the below but there are some things I
disagree with. I work for a company that was involved in a major lawsuit.
At the time of discovery I worked for the IT department and watched the
furious scramble to comply with the subpoenas issued for the backed up data.
I'm looking for some recommendations on what image management software folks
are using. The size of my image collection, both scanned and unscanned is
growing past my normal haphazard filing systems capabilities. Given the
amount of images being scanned, anyone have any recommendations?
Remmember that Sony is the only monitor that supports the Trinitron mask,
which gives you better image clarity than any other shadow mask technology.
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From: Maris V. Lidaka, Sr. [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, August 05, 2001 11:48 AM
Subject: Re:
I'm having a devil of a time getting my new HP 5370 to work with Win2K. Its
'new to me' though pretty much fresh out of the box. So I ordered the
driver disk from HP. They in their infinite wisdom, sent me a disk for the
5300, which I promptly installed.
My first clue was when the scanner
The 'name' or 'id' of a USB device is transmitted by the device itself if it
is fully compatible with the USB spec. The 'new hardware wizard' compares
the name to its list of 'installed devices' and if it doesn't recognize it,
it prompts you.
So you have to have a fully sucessful install for
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Tony Sleep wrote:
On Sun, 24 Jun 2001 01:15:00 -0700 Karl Schulmeisters
([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
Respectfully, many pros are switching to digital.
For newspaper use it's standard now. But I was recently speaking to
an AP
photographer who
And the heat is the issue in the case of the Betteman archive. As I
understood the article, the storage in NYC wasn't very well conditioned.
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From: Arthur Entlich [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2001 1:50 AM
Subject: Re: filmscanners:
Well since the film I have from HS is some 30yrs
old, and has been treated awfully for the most part, and still hasn't shown
film-base deterioration, I don't think its nearly as big an emergency as the
below describes.
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From:
Hersch Nitikman
To:
Respectfully, many pros are switching to
digital. Lucas recently was quoted as saying that he can think of no
reason to go back to film (having shot with digital HD). Sports
Photogs at Sydney 2000 were finding that the Canon D-30 gave them as good a
result of freeze-frame action as Provia
Well this has another 'permanence problem'. I still have in my 'archive' of
storage media
2 9track 6250 tapes (from less than 20 yrs ago and now effectively
unreadable)
6 8 Floppy disks (now unreadable)
3 IoMega removable disks (from 10 years ago - now unreadable)
lots of 3.5 floppies, which are
Depends on the work. In some image, grain is desirable. Biggest I've
printed is 36x 48 - but I am interested in doing some printing with
painted on emulsion. The biggest 4x5 I've seen enlarged with nary a trace
of grain was about 80x64 Sure you can do that with a digital back fo a
4x5, but
Of course, you could always make many backup
copies since you'd only need one percent as many CDs
The problem is that you need to remmember to make a
third backup about 3/4 through the MTBF to be able to propogate your data
forwards.
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From:
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' corresponding to each
| gradation of 'K'. Clearly there is more gamut in CMYK.
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| From: Karl Schulmeisters [EMAIL PROTECTED]
| To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
| Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2001 7:32 PM
| Subject: Re: filmscanners: which space?
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| I'm not a photoshop expert
CMYK is not a reduced color space compared to RGB. Printer CMYK is. But
that is because the color space of the inks is more reduced. In essence,
this isn't any different than manipulating The Zone System - ie where the
dynamic range of paper is less than the dynamic range of film, which in
I'm not a photoshop expert. I do know a bit about the abstract math behind
the colorimetry. I don't see why you would not be able to do what you
suggest.
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From: Robert E. Wright [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2001 6:55 PM
Subject: Re:
spaces with
the X axis going 'into' the page, for RGB, you would see only one 'sheet' of
color space. For CMYK you would see a 'sheet' corresponding to each
gradation of 'K'. Clearly there is more gamut in CMYK.
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From: Karl Schulmeisters [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL
That's not exactly the case. What is the case is that a particular Hue,
Intensity value - what our eyes perceive as a unique 'color value' can be
rendered with multiple combinations of RGB. The same is not true for CYMK
So when you map from RGB into ANY color space, you essentially lose some
Subject: Re: filmscanners: What causes this and is there any easy solution ?
Karl Schulmeisters wrote:
I don't think this is the case. Otherwise you would have seen this
phenomenon from enlargements made from transparencies long ago.
Consider
this, the human eye can resolve about 1 minute
: which space?
Which is fine by me - so long as RxGxBx look the same as Rx'Gx'Bx' my
result
will be what I want it to be.
Maris
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From: Karl Schulmeisters [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2001 2:23 AM
Subject: Re: filmscanners: which
Vai jus esat latvietis?
Karlis Schulmeisters
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From: Maris V. Lidaka, Sr. [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, May 18, 2001 6:28 PM
Subject: Re: filmscanners: Filmscanning vs. Flatbedding
And, of course, the color gamut of film is greater than that
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