Re: [Finale] Garritan and other stuff

2005-02-09 Thread A-NO-NE Music
Darcy James Argue / 05.2.10 / 00:09 AM wrote: No, it absolutely does. Let me try one last time: Dog bites man. Man bites dog. What's the difference? Same three words. Different meaning. What accounts for the difference? Grammar. Grammar controls meaning. Or may be the grammar style is

Re: [Finale] Garritan and other stuff

2005-02-09 Thread Darcy James Argue
On 10 Feb 2005, at 12:26 AM, David W. Fenton wrote: On 10 Feb 2005 at 0:09, Darcy James Argue wrote: No, it absolutely does. Let me try one last time: Dog bites man. Man bites dog. What's the difference? Same three words. Different meaning. What accounts for the difference? The fact that

Re: [Finale] Garritan and other stuff

2005-02-09 Thread Owain Sutton
David W. Fenton wrote: On 9 Feb 2005 at 6:40, dhbailey wrote: A friend of mine who is a professional violinist and violin teacher has explained to me the importance of physical memory for the solo violinist in regard to intonation as opposed to having a good ear. The point is that hitting

Re: [Finale] TGTools v2.32

2005-02-09 Thread Jari Williamsson
Matthew Hindson Fastmail Account wrote: Agreed. If it were only as simple as having a window with the staff, clef, sharps, flats, naturals, and being able to drag the symbols to where they are required on the staff, it would be great! Yes, it's a big help not having to touch that dialog box. I

Re: [Finale] Garritan and other stuff

2005-02-09 Thread dhbailey
Christopher Smith wrote: On Feb 8, 2005, at 7:52 PM, David W. Fenton wrote: I just pointed out that if the music is incomprehensible without reference to outside information that is not musical in nature, then it's not very good music. Well, I guess we will have to agree to disagree there. I

Re: [Finale] Garritan and other stuff

2005-02-09 Thread dhbailey
Mark D Lew wrote: On Feb 8, 2005, at 4:52 PM, David W. Fenton wrote: . . . Is it important to know that _The Magic Flute_ is full of Masonic symbolism? . . . Perhaps, because otherwise, it's fairly incoherent. I would say that proves that it's not a very good opera. The fact that Flute has

Re: [Finale] Garritan and other stuff

2005-02-09 Thread dhbailey
David W. Fenton wrote: On 8 Feb 2005 at 17:56, Mark D Lew wrote: On Feb 8, 2005, at 4:52 PM, David W. Fenton wrote: . . . Is it important to know that _The Magic Flute_ is full of Masonic symbolism? . . . Perhaps, because otherwise, it's fairly incoherent. I would say that proves that it's not a

Re: [Finale] Garritan and other stuff

2005-02-09 Thread dhbailey
Darcy James Argue wrote: [snip] Both a human and a pool-playing robot (like, say, Deep Green -- http://www.ece.queensu.ca/hpages/faculty/greenspan/) have to solve exactly the same problem, which happens to be a problem of applied physics. So one solves it with neurons and one solves it with

Re: [Finale] Garritan and other stuff

2005-02-09 Thread Richard Yates
Do you consciously think about grammar when you speak? Is grammar significant to communication? - Darcy Can someone communicate effectively without having consciously learned the rules of grammar specifically (as opposed to picking up general concepts of communication)? Certainly, children

Re: [Finale] Title pages Text block manager

2005-02-09 Thread Jari Williamsson
d. collins wrote: Jari Williamsson écrit: For now, the workaround is to right-click on the text block in TBM and use Copy to other document..., available in the 0.18 betas. This can copy the text block directly to other opened documents (without going though the TBM Clipboard). I was just

Re: [Finale] Fin another long time question

2005-02-09 Thread Raymond Horton
A-NO-NE Music wrote: I hope my erratic grammar passes for communication here :-) Seriously, I wish if I had any talent in linguistics. I just don't have a heart for it. Do not about it worry. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu

[Finale] Physics in music

2005-02-09 Thread Chuck Israels
I am acutely aware of the physics involved in music - always, albeit at a subconscious level that some might describe as trivial. As I am planning sounds - is the piano lid open or closed, French Horns face backward and spread their sound, gut strings sound different than steel, French double

Re: [Finale] Garritan and other stuff - Magic Flute

2005-02-09 Thread Raymond Horton
Dennis Bathory-Kitsz wrote: Hey, I'm not ignoring it! I was just trying to resist the urge to make my no-doubt-anticipated musico-politically incorrect two-finger mouth salute over Mozart's incessantly repetitive noodling. I feel for you, too, Dennis.

Re: [Finale] Fin another long time question

2005-02-09 Thread Christopher Smith
On Wednesday, February 9, 2005, at 11:33 AM, Raymond Horton wrote: A-NO-NE Music wrote: I hope my erratic grammar passes for communication here :-) Seriously, I wish if I had any talent in linguistics. I just don't have a heart for it. Do not about it worry. That's the kind of tomfoolery up

Re: [Finale] Garritan and other stuff

2005-02-09 Thread Darcy James Argue
On 09 Feb 2005, at 7:07 AM, dhbailey wrote: Richard Yates wrote: Do you consciously think about grammar when you speak? Is grammar significant to communication? - Darcy Oooh, good one! Can someone communicate effectively without having consciously learned the rules of grammar specifically (as

Re: [Finale] Garritan and other stuff

2005-02-09 Thread John Howell
At 10:33 AM -0500 2/9/05, dhbailey wrote: Could you please explain what aspects of physics are in my conscious thought while I'm playing the trumpet? Physics is the science which defines and describes in precise detail the actions and interactions. I don't concede that we're discussing

Re: [Finale] Garritan and other stuff

2005-02-09 Thread Andrew Stiller
Andrew suggested that history's verdict on Janacek is long since in. I think it's way too soon to say that. I can think of a dozen opera composers who were considered great 75 years after their death but were discarded by history 50 years later. (Plus a few more who were great for a

Re: [Finale] Physics in music

2005-02-09 Thread Christopher Smith
On Wednesday, February 9, 2005, at 12:42 PM, Phil Daley wrote: At 2/9/2005 11:54 AM, Chuck Israels wrote: I am acutely aware of the physics involved in music - always, albeit at a subconscious level that some might describe as trivial. As I am planning sounds - is the piano lid open or closed,

Re: [Finale] Garritan and other stuff

2005-02-09 Thread Christopher Smith
On Wednesday, February 9, 2005, at 03:02 PM, Andrew Stiller wrote: I cannot think of a single composer, in any genre, who having been considered great at the age of 150, came to be considered insignificant, or even minor, at any later time. Composers, living or dead, do tend to go out of

Re: [Finale] Garritan and other stuff

2005-02-09 Thread Mark D Lew
On Feb 9, 2005, at 12:02 PM, Andrew Stiller wrote: First of all, Janacek is not an opera composer--he wrote important music in a wide variety of genres, and even were all his operas to be forgotten the remaining body of work would be more than sufficient to maintain his standing as a major

Re: [Finale] Garritan and other stuff

2005-02-09 Thread Mark D Lew
On Feb 9, 2005, at 1:01 PM, Owain Sutton wrote: For composers of age of 150, the limiting date is 1855. So your description actually focuses on a few decades of composition, and on those composers' current reputation. It neither proves nor demonstrates anything. How do you figure only a few

Re: [Finale] Garritan and other stuff

2005-02-09 Thread Mark D Lew
On Feb 9, 2005, at 3:16 PM, Dennis Bathory-Kitsz wrote: Since he dangle his grammatical temporal dongle, I wonder if he'd clarify if he meant the fame from the late 18th century on, or the composer from the late 18th century on. Ah, now I see the confusion. I assumed he meant fame from the late

[Finale] Lyric problem (Mac)

2005-02-09 Thread MacMusicInc
Two companies I work for use Times Semibold font for lyrics. I'm using Mac Finale 2004c and Mac OS 10.3.5 on a G4 powerbook. I've always used "1. Xxx" at the beginning of the verses with an "option space" to hold everything together as one syllable. In F2004c Times Semibold looks fine on the

[Finale] Re: Garritan and other stuff

2005-02-09 Thread Rudolf van Berkum
Ken Moore commented: If by comprehensibility you mean the same as I do, then I agree.OTOH, I don't see how you could get any grasp on meaning (which is very tenuous concept in music, IMO) without reference to outside information. in response to David Bailey: I never claimed the right to make

Re: [Finale] 2005b fix

2005-02-09 Thread Michael B. Pilgrim
http://www.finalemusic.com/downloads/download_file.asp?id=308 At 08:54 PM 2/9/2005 -0500, you wrote: DId Coda post a new build or something? - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu

Re: [Finale] Garritan and other stuff

2005-02-09 Thread Richard Yates
Could you please explain what aspects of physics are in my conscious thought while I'm playing the trumpet? You are calculating the air pressures necessary using Bernoulli's Principle and the modulus of elasticity of skin as it relates to the natural vibrational frequency of the air column from

Re: [Finale] Garritan and other stuff

2005-02-09 Thread Richard Yates
Bernouli's law, actually, making the lips buzz like any other double (or single) reeds. Same law that holds up both fixed-wing and rotary-wing aircraft. John I cannot believe that someone else also mentioned Bernoulli! By the way, I heard somewhere recently that the relative force of

Re: [Finale] TAN Magic Flute (was Garritan and other stuff)

2005-02-09 Thread David W. Fenton
On 8 Feb 2005 at 19:38, Mark D Lew wrote: On Feb 8, 2005, at 6:05 PM, David W. Fenton wrote: No one is a bigger fan of Mozart than I am. But I have always felt that the Magic Flute is incoherent *as an opera* (or Singspiel, technically speaking, I guess). If it did not have some of the

Re: [Finale] Garritan and other stuff

2005-02-09 Thread David W. Fenton
On 9 Feb 2005 at 0:27, Darcy James Argue wrote: On 08 Feb 2005, at 7:30 PM, David W. Fenton wrote: On 8 Feb 2005 at 1:31, Darcy James Argue wrote: Please explain how you would build a pool-playing robot without including some sort of physics module in the AI. A human pool player

Re: [Finale] Garritan and other stuff

2005-02-09 Thread David W. Fenton
On 8 Feb 2005 at 22:07, Richard Yates wrote: Do you consciously think about grammar when you speak? Is grammar significant to communication? - Darcy Oooh, good one! No, it's the same question as before, and the answer is that it is significant to *enabling* it, but does not necessarily

Re: [Finale] Re: Finale Digest, Vol 19, Issue 16

2005-02-09 Thread David W. Fenton
On 9 Feb 2005 at 10:40, Ken Moore wrote: In message [EMAIL PROTECTED] David W. Fenton writes: Well, now you're in a whole different set of issues, none of which are fundamental to the meaning and comprehensibility of music. I'm not sure that I understand your use of the terms meaning and

Re: [Finale] Garritan and other stuff

2005-02-09 Thread Richard Yates
That doesn't mean grammar has any significance to the meaning of any particular utterance (though it certainly *could*). If you really believe this then I can only assume that you have a rather nonstandard definition of 'grammar' in mind. Can you write some examples of utterances in which you

Re: [Finale] Garritan and other stuff

2005-02-09 Thread David W. Fenton
On 9 Feb 2005 at 6:33, dhbailey wrote: Christopher Smith wrote: On Feb 8, 2005, at 7:52 PM, David W. Fenton wrote: I just pointed out that if the music is incomprehensible without reference to outside information that is not musical in nature, then it's not very good music.

Re: [Finale] Garritan and other stuff

2005-02-09 Thread David W. Fenton
On 9 Feb 2005 at 6:40, dhbailey wrote: Darcy James Argue wrote: [snip] Both a human and a pool-playing robot (like, say, Deep Green -- http://www.ece.queensu.ca/hpages/faculty/greenspan/) have to solve exactly the same problem, which happens to be a problem of applied physics.

Re: [Finale] Garritan and other stuff

2005-02-09 Thread David W. Fenton
On 9 Feb 2005 at 5:19, Richard Yates wrote: Do you consciously think about grammar when you speak? Is grammar significant to communication? - Darcy Can someone communicate effectively without having consciously learned the rules of grammar specifically (as opposed to picking up

Re: [Finale] 2005b fix

2005-02-09 Thread Allen Fisher
No. We haven't changed it. The only fix (outside of HP and SmartMusic Marker PI's) was the insert measure problem. On 2/9/05 8:45 PM, Darcy James Argue [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I meant Did Coda post a new build of *FinMac2005b* -- which I downloaded and installed as soon as it was announced.

Re: [Finale] Garritan and other stuff

2005-02-09 Thread David W. Fenton
On 9 Feb 2005 at 6:48, Richard Yates wrote: I don't think anybody has said physics has no significance, just that it is not part of people's conscious thought processes while making music or playing pool. My part of this thread has been to respond to the post that said: Physics is

Re: [Finale] Garritan and other stuff

2005-02-09 Thread David W. Fenton
On 9 Feb 2005 at 19:28, Richard Yates wrote: That doesn't mean grammar has any significance to the meaning of any particular utterance (though it certainly *could*). If you really believe this then I can only assume that you have a rather nonstandard definition of 'grammar' in mind. Can

Re: [Finale] Garritan and other stuff

2005-02-09 Thread David W. Fenton
On 9 Feb 2005 at 19:37, Richard Yates wrote: It seems to me that you are willfully re-reading everything I've written -- I'm talking about *musical* significance, and always have been, and quite clearly. There are those asterisks again! . . . Asterisks are not equal to quotation marks.

Re: [Finale] Garritan and other stuff

2005-02-09 Thread Richard Yates
That doesn't mean grammar has any significance to the meaning of any particular utterance (though it certainly *could*). If you really believe this then I can only assume that you have a rather nonstandard definition of 'grammar' in mind. Can you write some examples of utterances in

Re: [Finale] Garritan and other stuff

2005-02-09 Thread David W. Fenton
On 10 Feb 2005 at 0:09, Darcy James Argue wrote: On 10 Feb 2005, at 12:04 AM, David W. Fenton wrote: On 9 Feb 2005 at 23:58, Darcy James Argue wrote: On 09 Feb 2005, at 10:36 PM, David W. Fenton wrote: Physics has no necessary *musical* significance, just has grammar has no

Re: [Finale] Garritan and other stuff

2005-02-09 Thread David W. Fenton
On 9 Feb 2005 at 21:11, Richard Yates wrote: That doesn't mean grammar has any significance to the meaning of any particular utterance (though it certainly *could*). If you really believe this then I can only assume that you have a rather nonstandard definition of 'grammar' in