Re: [Finale] Finale import into Sibelius question

Raymond Horton wrote: I would like, if possible, to share some Finale files with an acquaintance in another city who has Sibelius 2.1 (Windows, I believe). I know nothing of Sibelius, and the acquaintance seems fairly stymied by it all. Is Finale import into Sibelius 2.1 possible? I can s

Re: Subject: Re: [Finale] music literacy

[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > The Music Man had "rap-like" passages (i.e. parts of "You've Got > Trouble") which led to fully pitched-tone cadences as the climax... Not all. "Rock Island", the opening number, is entirely spoken in rhythm (although I think the orchestra does play a chord after the

Re: [Finale] Finale import into Sibelius question

Yes Sibelius can read Finale files. With your friend's v.2.1, it is probably best to send both a native Finale file (run update layout right before saving) and also an ETF file. The ETF usually imports better. Use you Finale 2004 or earlier. Current versions of both Finale (05-06) and Sibelius (

Re: [Finale] music literacy

On Apr 1, 2006, at 5:21 AM, Peter Taylor wrote: With no disrespect to them, can you imagine Ringo Starr or Charlie Watts being given today's hyped-up promotion? Like the man said, theirs is not the sort of talent they're looking for. Not disputing your general point, but just to be clear:

[Finale] Finale import into Sibelius question

I would like, if possible, to share some Finale files with an acquaintance in another city who has Sibelius 2.1 (Windows, I believe). I know nothing of Sibelius, and the acquaintance seems fairly stymied by it all. Is Finale import into Sibelius 2.1 possible? I can send older versions of

Re: [Finale] music literacy

On 1 Apr 2006 at 13:51, Andrew Stiller wrote: > On Apr 1, 2006, at 1:04 PM, Phil Daley wrote: > > > Could you make a score of a "rap piece" so that another group could > > perform it and it would be identical to the original performance? > > (By which I mean, the same pitches.) > > Of course one

Re: [Finale] music literacy

On 1 Apr 2006 at 6:19, Robert C L Watson wrote: > >> Nope. They came long before rap. And their origins are G&S patter > >> songs and Noel Coward. > > And they too are rap. > > Rap is not new. It is ancient. > > One of many online sources tells us: > "Rap's origins stretch far back to African o

Re: [Finale] music literacy

On 1 Apr 2006 at 0:05, Robert C L Watson wrote: > > ...Thus, one might reasonably say that the parlato songs > > in The Music Man are a form of rap ... < > > Nope. They came long before rap. And their origins are G&S patter > songs and Noel Coward. They may have come before the genre we call

Re: [Finale] OT: RIP Jackie McLean

Don Alias has passed as well. - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://secretsociety.typepad.com Brooklyn, NY On 01 Apr 2006, at 5:20 PM, Carl Dershem wrote: Eric Dannewitz wrote: I also hear a rumor that Michael Brecker has died. http://forums.chisham.com/viewtopic.p

RE: [Finale] music literacy

> > > On 01 Apr 2006, at 8:21 AM, Peter Taylor wrote: > > > >> Gone are the days when a few ordinary-looking local lads > in Liverpool > >> could form their own little group, write their own music, > practice at > >> each other's houses, play at local dance halls and get > discovered by

Re: [Finale] music literacy

On 01 Apr 2006, at 5:40 PM, Peter Taylor wrote: On 01 Apr 2006, at 8:21 AM, Peter Taylor wrote: Gone are the days when a few ordinary-looking local lads in Liverpool could form their own little group, write their own music, practice at each other's houses, play at local dance halls a

Re: [Finale] music literacy

- Original Message - From: "Darcy James Argue" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Saturday, April 01, 2006 8:11 PM Subject: Re: [Finale] music literacy On 01 Apr 2006, at 8:21 AM, Peter Taylor wrote: Gone are the days when a few ordinary-looking local lads in Liverpool could form thei

Re: [Finale] OT: RIP Jackie McLean

Eric Dannewitz wrote: I also hear a rumor that Michael Brecker has died. http://forums.chisham.com/viewtopic.php?t=13767 I hope this is a really BAD April fools joke If so, it would be in incredibly bad taste. What a loss! :( cd -- http://www.livejournal.com/users/dershem/# _

Re: [Finale] OT: RIP Jackie McLean

I also hear a rumor that Michael Brecker has died. http://forums.chisham.com/viewtopic.php?t=13767 I hope this is a really BAD April fools joke Darcy James Argue wrote: - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://secretsociety.typepad.com Brooklyn, NY

[Finale] OT: RIP Jackie McLean

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Re: [Finale] music literacy

At 1:04 PM -0500 4/1/06, Phil Daley wrote: At 4/1/2006 12:32 PM, Andrew Stiller wrote: >OK, you started this one, so you can answer it first - how DO you define >music? Pitch and rhythm. Words are secondary. Rap has rhythm. End of story. Every rap song I have ever heard includes at l

Re: [Finale] music literacy

At 5:38 PM +0100 4/1/06, Peter Taylor wrote: - Original Message - From: "John Howell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Saturday, April 01, 2006 3:37 PM Subject: Re: [Finale] music literacy (long) At 2:21 PM +0100 4/1/06, Peter Taylor wrote: Gone are the days when a few ordinary-looking l

Re: [Finale] music literacy

Here is a blog entry by composer Derek Bermel talking in some detail about the seminal hiphop record _Paid in Full_ by Eric B. and Rakim: Bermel has won the Rome prize, a Guggenheim and a Fulbright fellowship. I recently

Re: [Finale] Clef Question (literate or not...)

The best method I know is to use extra measures with blank notation and invisible barlines. Michael Cook On 1 Apr 2006, at 20:45, Rob Deemer wrote: Apologies for breaking into y'all's chat on generational gaps, immigration and American Idol... I've been working on some examples for a textbo

RE: [Finale] Clef Question (literate or not...)

Title: Message You could change to the relative major/minor, and uncheck 'cancel outgoing key signature' in document options/key signature.  However, this might cause havoc with accidentals etc., depending on the specific music in question.     -Original Message-From: [EMAIL

Re: [Finale] music literacy

On 01 Apr 2006, at 8:21 AM, Peter Taylor wrote: Gone are the days when a few ordinary-looking local lads in Liverpool could form their own little group, write their own music, practice at each other's houses, play at local dance halls and get discovered by talent scouts. Replace "Liverpoo

Re: [Finale] music literacy

On Apr 1, 2006, at 1:08 PM, Phil Daley wrote: At 4/1/2006 12:32 PM, Andrew Stiller wrote: My own _A Descent into the Maelstrom_ contains no >definite pitches. Is it not music? If not, what is it? Or are you >saying it isn't even art? Is it possible to two different groups to perform it and

Re: [Finale] music literacy

On Apr 1, 2006, at 1:04 PM, Phil Daley wrote: Could you make a score of a "rap piece" so that another group could perform it and it would be identical to the original performance? (By which I mean, the same pitches.) Of course one could. Probably has. Which is not to say that there is not

[Finale] Clef Question (literate or not...)

Apologies for breaking into y'all's chat on generational gaps, immigration and American Idol...I've been working on some examples for a textbook gig and have been frustrated by one of Finale's (albeit totally rational) issues. For a normal piece of music with key changes and clef changes, key chang

Re: [Finale] music literacy

On Apr 1, 2006, at 12:52 PM, Mark D Lew wrote: I don't think Schubert was influenced by Irish bards either, but I think it's reasonable to label either of them as "song". I read a highly interesting paper, long ago, that identified a "bardic stance" taken in some Romantic music and character

Re: [Finale] music literacy

The messages crossed. Happens to me all the time. --Andrew On Apr 1, 2006, at 12:47 PM, Mark D Lew wrote: On Apr 1, 2006, at 9:32 AM, Andrew Stiller wrote: Every rap song I have ever heard includes at least fragments of melody. In the overarching category of hip-hop (which I am interested

Re: [Finale] music literacy

At 10:49 AM -0500 3/31/06, Williams, Jim wrote: Did Elvis's music openly advocate killing policemen? No, but the Jefferson Airplane did, at least once. They also wrote a song glorifying cannibalism. Did swing music openly advocate sexual promiscuity with no regard to its physical or e

Re: [Finale] music literacy

I'm afraid I have to agree. One would never dare fault Stravinsky or Crumb for weak voice leading or abandoning functional harmony. Their music just isn't about those things. Neither, by and large, is rock. On Mar 31, 2006, at 12:42 PM, Owain Sutton wrote: These aren't observations of "purely

Subject: Re: [Finale] music literacy

In a message dated 4/1/06 1:01:24 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: From: "Robert C L Watson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [Finale] music literacy > ...Thus, one might reasonably say that the parlato songs in The Music Man are a form of rap ... < Nope. They came long before rap. And their origins

Re: [Finale] music literacy

At 4/1/2006 12:32 PM, Andrew Stiller wrote: >Besides, by your definition many percussion ensemble works (notably >_Ionisation_) are not music--unless you count the piano tone-clusters >at the end as pitch. My own _A Descent into the Maelstrom_ contains no >definite pitches. Is it not music? If no

Re: [Finale] music literacy

At 4/1/2006 12:32 PM, Andrew Stiller wrote: >> >OK, you started this one, so you can answer it first - how DO you >> define >> >music? >> >> Pitch and rhythm. Words are secondary. >> >> Rap has rhythm. End of story. > >Every rap song I have ever heard includes at least fragments of melody. >In

Re: [Finale] music literacy

On Apr 1, 2006, at 3:19 AM, Robert C L Watson wrote: "Rap's origins stretch far back to African oral tradition; it has a more immediate predecessor in the spoken-word expressionism of 60s activists like the Last Poets, or LeRoi Jones (later known as Amiri Baraka), who performed activist poetr

Re: [Finale] music literacy

On Apr 1, 2006, at 9:32 AM, Andrew Stiller wrote: Every rap song I have ever heard includes at least fragments of melody. In the overarching category of hip-hop (which I am interested to note has not been mentioned once in this thread), pitch dominates. Perhaps our messages crossed, but in a

Re: [Finale] music literacy

>OK, you started this one, so you can answer it first - how DO you define >music? Pitch and rhythm. Words are secondary. Rap has rhythm. End of story. Phil Daley Every rap song I have ever heard includes at least fragments of melody. In the overarching category of hip-hop (which I am inte

Re: [Finale] music literacy

The whole country is becoming more splintered by the millions of illegal immigrants who refuse to learn English. Phil Daley Name three. They must be both illegal, and have refused the opportunity to learn English when offered. Andrew Stiller Kallisti Music Press http://home.netcom.com/~kall

Re: [Finale] music literacy

- Original Message - From: "John Howell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Saturday, April 01, 2006 3:37 PM Subject: Re: [Finale] music literacy (long) At 2:21 PM +0100 4/1/06, Peter Taylor wrote: Gone are the days when a few ordinary-looking local lads You know what? I don't think t

Re: [Finale] music literacy (long)

At 2:21 PM +0100 4/1/06, Peter Taylor wrote: For me, there are two big differences between the music of the 60's and now. Today we have an enormous range of electronic sounds and effects that weren't dreamed of then, and the style of composition and record production has inevitably broadened

Re: [Finale] music literacy

On 31-Mar-06, at 3:54 PM, dhbailey wrote: Dylan said it best: "Mothers and Fathers throughout the land, Don't criticize what you can't understand. Your sons and your daughters are beyond your command, The old road is rapidly aging. Please get out of the new one if you can't lend a hand, For the

Re: [Finale] music literacy

- Original Message - From: "Mark D Lew" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Saturday, April 01, 2006 6:01 AM Subject: Re: [Finale] music literacy "It's clear that you have a lot of vocal talent, but it's really not the kind of talent we're looking for here." For me, there are two big dif

Re: [Finale] music literacy

Nope. They came long before rap. And their origins are G&S patter songs and Noel Coward. And they too are rap. Rap is not new. It is ancient. One of many online sources tells us: "Rap's origins stretch far back to African oral tradition; it has a more immediate predecessor in the spoken-word