On 02 May 2007, at 12:54 AM, Randolph Peters wrote:
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Amen, Randolph. Great comments and insight.
Cheers,
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Randolph Peters wrote:
It's been my experience that conductors do not like long measures
of slow tempo.
John Howell wrote:
OH? conductors do what is necessary to serve the music. I can't
imagine what such a generalization could have grown out of.
I'm talking about MY real world experience
On May 1, 2007, at 10:22 PM, John Howell wrote:
You've had some awfully good advice. I'd just like to ask why
you're curious about how to conduct it? Any first-semester
conducting student could answer the question.
And do pay attention to David Fenton's comments. The meter chosen
shou
At 2:26 PM -0500 5/1/07, Randolph Peters wrote:
It's been my experience that conductors do not like long measures of
slow tempo.
OH? conductors do what is necessary to serve the music. I can't
imagine what such a generalization could have grown out of.
Making twice as many measures in 6/
At 2:15 PM -0400 5/1/07, timothy.key.price wrote:
If there are some on this list who might offer some advice, I have a
question: A section of amorphous music for stings is now in 12/8
time at 1/8-50 which is very slow and no beat is stressed. As
each of the many voice lines moves on a dif
Having just recently performed Beethoven's Sixth Symphony I have an
additional comment on the 12/8 movement. When you start to subdivide the
measure into 12 pulses the tempo will drag. Many years ago I recall my
conducting professor standing at my elbow and saying many times, "Don't
subdivide; it
Thanks to everyone who replied. I have a very much clearer
understanding of the issues so can resolve it with the better
notation, now that I understand the alternatives.
It was a new situation for me; it had evolved and hadn't really
considered it much before.
Thank you again,
tim
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Man, I've tried saying "comfortable" several times, and I always get
4 syllables. Sorry.
Dean
On May 1, 2007, at 1:13 PM, Andrew Stiller wrote:
On Apr 30, 2007, at 1:05 PM, shirling & neueweise wrote:
At 00:36 -0700 4/30/07, Mark D Lew wrote:
Suppose your lyric has "comfortable" and you
I would respectfully disagree. The sound (sans the "r") Marshall does
in fact espouse, the [3], when sung by any culture, if it is pure, to
my ear does not sound British or affected. I've listened really
carefully to my choirs and other American choirs sing most all styles
of music, and whe
At 3:58 PM -0400 5/1/07, Christopher Smith wrote:
John Howell wrote:
For us that don't actively pronounce the "r" in words, "girl" is
pronounced with a neutral vowel. The r isn't heard at all.
I'm not sure who wrote that, but Andrew misquoted; it was not I.
Especially if you're from "Joi
With three syllables I'm afraid I would pronounce that as comf'-ta-ble. (And
I am more comfortable using the apostrophe in this instance).
John R
On 5/1/07 4:13 PM, "Andrew Stiller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> On Apr 30, 2007, at 1:05 PM, shirling & neueweise wrote:
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>> At 00:36 -070
John Howell wrote:
For us that don't actively pronounce the "r" in words, "girl" is
pronounced with a neutral vowel. The r isn't heard at all.
Especially if you're from "Joisey" (New Jersey) where they might say
"goil".
8-)
My favourite sung "r" is in Flanders and Swann's "Pee, Poo, B
On Apr 30, 2007, at 1:05 PM, shirling & neueweise wrote:
At 00:36 -0700 4/30/07, Mark D Lew wrote:
Suppose your lyric has "comfortable" and you want it to be sung in
the common way on three syllables, how would you spell/hyphenate
that?
com-forta-ble. Similarly with "Wednes-day" and so
On May 1, 2007, at 10:33 AM, Ken Moore wrote:
Does anyone else out there say "eye-ruhn"?
I don't know about that, but I was startled to hear the first D in
"Wednesday" pronounced by whatever famous actress it was that did the
voiceover in that movie about the guy who discovers he's a char
On 1-May-07, at 3:26 PM, Randolph Peters wrote:
timothy.key.price wrote:
If there are some on this list who might offer some advice, I have
a question: A section of amorphous music for stings is now in
12/8 time at 1/8-50 which is very slow and no beat is
stressed. [snip]
Or
On Apr 30, 2007, at 6:16 PM, Matthew Hindson fastmail acct wrote:
John Howell wrote:
For us that don't actively pronounce the "r" in words, "girl" is
pronounced with a neutral vowel. The r isn't heard at all.
Similarly for "fire". In such occasions it may well be worth
hyphenating as "fi
timothy.key.price wrote:
If there are some on this list who might offer some advice, I have a
question: A section of amorphous music for stings is now in 12/8
time at 1/8-50 which is very slow and no beat is stressed. [snip]
Or should I rewrite it and absolutely choose another meter
On Apr 30, 2007, at 5:02 PM, Dean M. Estabrook wrote:
Good point ... Marshall uses "learn" as the vowel sound model.
Dean
On Apr 30, 2007, at 1:46 PM, John Howell wrote:
Well, I don't know IPA, but could you describe what you mean by [3]
by analogy with other standard English words. Otherw
The opening of the Firebird is another case of beating 12s. From the
other side of the stand, I've encountered some bizarre and meaningless
hand-waving. My preference is for a large slow 4-beat motion, each step
of which is divided with two smaller beats to indicate the quaver
motion. This avoid
12/8 is usually conducted in 4, or if it's extremely slow each beat
is subdivided into three. The slow movement of Beethoven's 6th
Symphony (Beethoven's MM being dotted quarter = 50) is conducted in 4.
12/8 is never conducted in 3 sets of 4/8: if the measures are
rhythmically so divided, th
On 1 May 2007 at 14:15, timothy.key.price wrote:
> Or should I rewrite it and absolutely choose another meter
> and increase the note value?
Yes.
If it's not in 12/8, don't notate it in 12/8. Putting it in 12/8
means that there *is* an emphasis on 4 beats of dotted quarter. If
there
On 1-May-07, at 2:15 PM, timothy.key.price wrote:
If there are some on this list who might offer some advice, I have
a question: A section of amorphous music for stings is now in 12/8
time at 1/8-50 which is very slow and no beat is stressed. As
each of the many voice lines moves on
If there are some on this list who might offer some advice, I have a
question: A section of amorphous music for stings is now in 12/8
time at 1/8-50 which is very slow and no beat is stressed. As
each of the many voice lines moves on a different beat, the 12/8
allows for this type of
On 1-May-07, at 1:05 PM, John Howell wrote:
I think part of the problem is that when people think of singing an
"r," they automatically think of the hard Canadian or upper
Midwestern "r," which is very tense and blocks the sound with a
raised middle of the tongue. And then they demonstr
On 1 May 2007 at 13:39, Phil Daley wrote (nothing quoted here):
> At 5/1/2007 01:13 PM, David W. Fenton wrote:
>
> >On 1 May 2007 at 6:34, Phil Daley wrote:
> >> On a windows pc, the screen display is much worse than your
> >> original post.
> >
> >It's no different on my screen! I haven't d
At 5/1/2007 01:13 PM, David W. Fenton wrote:
>On 1 May 2007 at 6:34, Phil Daley wrote:
>> On a windows pc, the screen display is much worse than your original
>> post.
>
>It's no different on my screen! I haven't done a file compare, but
>the file is exactly the same size as the original (though
On 1 May 2007 at 6:34, Phil Daley wrote:
> At 4/30/2007 07:45 PM, David W. Fenton wrote:
>
> >I've recreated the PDF optimized for portability (the default was
> >optimized for speed), and it's here: >
> >http://www.dfenton.com/Collegium/Gibbons/Gibbons-LordGrantGrace2.pdf
>
> On a windows pc
At 8:08 PM -0700 4/30/07, Mark D Lew wrote:
On Apr 30, 2007, at 1:46 PM, John Howell wrote:
Well, I don't know IPA, but could you describe what you mean by [3]
by analogy with other standard English words. Otherwise I can't
tell what you're suggesting.
Well if you don't know IPA you probabl
A good point, with which I concur most ha-tih-lee.
Dean
On May 1, 2007, at 1:15 AM, Mark D Lew wrote:
On Apr 30, 2007, at 8:55 PM, Dean M. Estabrook wrote:
I would and do ask for that vowel even if we aren't doing G&S, or
whatever. It just sings well to eliminate the "r", and to my
Americ
When I speak, I also say, "eye-urn." I would direct my choir to
sing, "ah-ih-ruhn." The difference being the treatment of the
diphthong on the first syllable. I think I picked that mode up from
Shaw, as a part of his (and mine) never-ending battle to exhort
choirs to differentiate between
Mark D Lew <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Side note: Personally, I pronounce "i-ron" like
"eye-ruhn" even in ordinary speech, and it is a
source of ongoing amusement to my wife to point out
that everyone else in the world says "eye-urn".
Surely I'm not the only one. Does anyone else out
there
I've seen this before, in 2006. I don't remember now what I did to
solve it, but it was something unexpected yet totally logical in
retrospect. I hadn't scanned anything, though.
It also appears in Scroll View with measure 20 as the left-most
measure. Furthermore, the dashes (it looks like
Hi all,
I got strange lines appearing and disappearing without any logical reason. I
found a solution to my problem (see below), but can't understand where these
lines come from.
If you have twenty seconds, have a look on this:
http://ju.educanet2.ch/bernard.nussbaumer/Finale/strange_lines.jpg
At 4/30/2007 06:04 PM, John Howell wrote:
>I wish someone could explain about YouTube to me. Every time I
>follow a link there, it seems to take over my computer and i can't DO
>anything. I can't even make it stop without forcing my browser to
>quit. Mostly I get a spinning color wheel, visual
At 4/30/2007 07:45 PM, David W. Fenton wrote:
>I've recreated the PDF optimized for portability (the default was
>optimized for speed), and it's here:
>
>http://www.dfenton.com/Collegium/Gibbons/Gibbons-LordGrantGrace2.pdf
On a windows pc, the screen display is much worse than your original post
Seeing that the Mitchells do not wish to explain themselves in detail - you
have to buy the book and CD - it sounds like a money-making venture to me.
I know a lot of fifteenth century music and the Mitchells' sample sounds
more like Arvo Part's tintinnabulations. However, they would be correct t
On Apr 30, 2007, at 8:55 PM, Dean M. Estabrook wrote:
I would and do ask for that vowel even if we aren't doing G&S, or
whatever. It just sings well to eliminate the "r", and to my
American ear, does not sound at all affected, unless you speak it,
not sing it. If one is doing Sprectstimme
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