Re: [Finale] Finale in the Education Market (Was Dynamic Parts)

2005-07-10 Thread David W. Fenton
On 10 Jul 2005 at 19:17, Dennis Bathory-Kitsz wrote: > At 05:48 PM 7/10/05 -0400, David W. Fenton wrote: > >I don't quite get this criticism. > >Using the Sibelius 4 demo and my copy of WinFin2K3, if I launch the > >new document wizard and use Finale in Simple Entry mode, it works > >almost precis

Re: [Finale] Finale in the Education Market (Was Dynamic Parts)

2005-07-10 Thread Dennis Bathory-Kitsz
At 05:48 PM 7/10/05 -0400, David W. Fenton wrote: >I don't quite get this criticism. >Using the Sibelius 4 demo and my copy of WinFin2K3, if I launch the >new document wizard and use Finale in Simple Entry mode, it works >almost precisely the same way as Sibelius. Once you're there, which is far

Re: [Finale] Finale in the Education Market (Was Dynamic Parts)

2005-07-10 Thread David W. Fenton
On 10 Jul 2005 at 15:37, Lon Price wrote: > On Jul 10, 2005, at 2:48 PM, David W. Fenton wrote: > > > But once you're in simple entry, I just don't seen enough > > differences to make a difference, except for the kindergarten large > > size of the page layout in Finale (something that has always

Re: [Finale] Finale in the Education Market (Was Dynamic Parts)

2005-07-10 Thread Ken Durling
At 03:37 PM 7/10/2005, you wrote: In other words, Sibelius allows mid-measure note entry (in an empty measure), while Finale doesn't. This was new in v.3, and a relief it was! Ken ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailm

Re: [Finale] Finale in the Education Market (Was Dynamic Parts)

2005-07-10 Thread Lon Price
On Jul 10, 2005, at 2:48 PM, David W. Fenton wrote:But once you're in simple entry, I just don't seen enough differences  to make a difference, except for the kindergarten large size of the  page layout in Finale (something that has always made no sense to me  at all).  I just tried setting up a p

Re: [Finale] Finale in the Education Market (Was Dynamic Parts)

2005-07-10 Thread David W. Fenton
On 10 Jul 2005 at 9:46, Dennis Bathory-Kitsz wrote: > Run even new versions of Sibelius and Finale side-by-side. Which one > can you start plunking at and have it put music on the screen? > Sibelius. Even with a template set to come up immediately, Finale > wants you to be too informed first, almo

Re: [Finale] Finale in the Education Market (Was Dynamic Parts)

2005-07-10 Thread Johannes Gebauer
Robert Patterson schrieb: That said, I still think Steve Jobs cut the knees out from under his developers by cutting off OS9 booting one year too soon. And it is a continuing pattern... That may be the case, but Sibelius managed anyway, and by the looks of it will manage the move to Inte

Re: [Finale] Finale in the Education Market (Was Dynamic Parts)

2005-07-10 Thread Rocky Road
I am probably going to have to buy a copy of Sibelius soon, just so that our school can cater for students who already have this package at home and are more used to it. If a student from our school goes to a shop without talking to me first, they always seem to be directed to Sibelius. I hav

Re: [Finale] Finale in the Education Market (Was Dynamic Parts)

2005-07-10 Thread Robert Patterson
John Howell wrote: MakeMusic lost us as steady and reliable customers the year our incoming students had Macs with OS X, and Finale for OS X did not exist. This had absolutely nothing to do with marketing, and everything to do with a complete missreading of the market and a complete failure

Re: [Finale] Finale in the Education Market (Was Dynamic Parts)

2005-07-10 Thread John Howell
At 1:27 PM +1000 7/10/05, Rocky Road wrote: My school here in Sydney, Australia uses Finale, but this is because I like it and I introduced it here when we brought computers into the music department some years back (being head of music has its privileges :-) ). However, all around us, it s

Re: [Finale] Finale in the Education Market (Was Dynamic Parts)

2005-07-10 Thread Dennis Bathory-Kitsz
At 08:34 AM 7/10/05 -0400, dhbailey wrote: >It does make me wonder where Finale are getting their educational market >input from, since Sibelius seems to be winning the battle hands-down! >My city just built a new high school and rebuilt the old high school, so >now we have two 4-year high schoo

Re: [Finale] Finale in the Education Market (Was Dynamic Parts)

2005-07-10 Thread Matthew Hindson Fastmail Account
Rocky Road wrote: My school here in Sydney, Australia uses Finale, but this is because I like it and I introduced it here when we brought computers into the music department some years back (being head of music has its privileges :-) Indeed it does! There has to be some sort of tradeo

Re: [Finale] Finale in the Education Market (Was Dynamic Parts)

2005-07-10 Thread dhbailey
Rocky Road wrote: [snip]> not greatly technology savvy (or interested) and will go with the marketing flow. Even if Finale lift their game they will need to win over the Retailers and Trade Show marketers. It does make me wonder where Finale are getting their educational market input from,

Re: [Finale] Finale in the Education Market (Was Dynamic Parts)

2005-07-10 Thread Johannes Gebauer
Rocky Road schrieb: My school here in Sydney, Australia uses Finale, but this is because I like it and I introduced it here when we brought computers into the music department some years back (being head of music has its privileges :-) ). However, all around us, it seems to be all Sibelius

[Finale] Finale in the Education Market (Was Dynamic Parts)

2005-07-09 Thread Rocky Road
David (and then Darcy) wrote: If Finale doesn't start listening to its core users and stop dicking around with fancy playback issues, it's going to lose the entire educational and professional market, plain and simple. David, this is a baseless assertion. First, hardcore engravers don't dr