Re: [Finale] Organ dynamics

2010-04-25 Thread A-NO-NE Music
On 2010/04/18, at 21:56, Ryan Beard wrote: Perhaps I should clarify my situation. I'm engraving a piece for organ by a dead composer. He has marked dynamics in the music. Sometimes there's one marking under the top staff only. Sometimes there's a marking under all three staves. Sometimes

Re: [Finale] Organ dynamics

2010-04-19 Thread timothy . price
Am adding the earlier email, John. It seems to suggest that dynamics not be included in writing for the organ today. That was something I would like to make clear: that dynamics are important in indicating how a piece is to be interpreted, according to the composer. Have no idea why explicit

RE: [Finale] Organ dynamics

2010-04-19 Thread Roger Cain
change volume and tone dramatically. Roger -Original Message- From: finale-boun...@shsu.edu [mailto:finale-boun...@shsu.edu] On Behalf Of Ryan Beard Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2010 9:57 PM To: finale@shsu.edu Subject: Re: [Finale] Organ dynamics Wow. Didn't mean to start up such a debate

Re: [Finale] Organ dynamics

2010-04-19 Thread John Howell
Thank you, Tim. I see the problem. When I wrote everything, I was referring to stop selection rather than to the use of dynamic markings, as the following sentence was intended to make clear. John At 7:05 AM -0400 4/19/10, timothy.price wrote: Am adding the earlier email, John. It seems

RE: [Finale] Organ dynamics

2010-04-19 Thread arabushka
changes to manuals which can change volume and tone dramatically. Roger -Original Message- From: finale-boun...@shsu.edu [mailto:finale-boun...@shsu.edu] On Behalf Of Ryan Beard Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2010 9:57 PM To: finale@shsu.edu Subject: Re: [Finale] Organ dynamics Wow

Re: [Finale] Organ dynamics

2010-04-18 Thread John Howell
At 3:30 PM -0700 4/17/10, Ryan wrote: Where is it necessary to place the dynamics when writing for organ? The manuscript I'm working from isn't consistent in the placement of dynamics. It also doesn't specify individual stops to use (for example, a trumpet stop that would naturally sound louder

Re: [Finale] Organ dynamics

2010-04-18 Thread timothy . price
On Apr 17, 2010, at 7:50 PM, David W. Fenton wrote: The player could tell from the content of the music what was intended in regard to all of those parameters. So can any properly-trained modern organist. That may be the problem with the academic world view of music, thus one might read a

Re: [Finale] Organ dynamics

2010-04-18 Thread David W. Fenton
On 18 Apr 2010 at 9:40, timothy.price wrote: On Apr 17, 2010, at 7:50 PM, David W. Fenton wrote: The player could tell from the content of the music what was intended in regard to all of those parameters. So can any properly-trained modern organist. Note that this comment is taken

Re: [Finale] Organ dynamics

2010-04-18 Thread timothy . price
On Apr 18, 2010, at 4:24 PM, David W. Fenton wrote: On 18 Apr 2010 at 9:40, timothy.price wrote: On Apr 17, 2010, at 7:50 PM, David W. Fenton wrote: The player could tell from the content of the music what was intended in regard to all of those parameters. So can any properly-trained modern

Re: [Finale] Organ dynamics

2010-04-18 Thread David W. Fenton
On 18 Apr 2010 at 19:58, timothy.price wrote: On Apr 18, 2010, at 4:24 PM, David W. Fenton wrote: On 18 Apr 2010 at 9:40, timothy.price wrote: On Apr 17, 2010, at 7:50 PM, David W. Fenton wrote: The player could tell from the content of the music what was intended in regard to all of

Re: [Finale] Organ dynamics

2010-04-18 Thread Ryan Beard
Wow. Didn't mean to start up such a debate! Perhaps I should clarify my situation. I'm engraving a piece for organ by a dead composer. He has marked dynamics in the music. Sometimes there's one marking under the top staff only. Sometimes there's a marking under all three staves. Sometimes

Re: [Finale] Organ dynamics

2010-04-18 Thread David W. Fenton
On 18 Apr 2010 at 18:56, Ryan Beard wrote: Perhaps I should clarify my situation. I'm engraving a piece for organ by a dead composer. He has marked dynamics in the music. Sometimes there's one marking under the top staff only. Sometimes there's a marking under all three staves. Sometimes

Re: [Finale] Organ dynamics

2010-04-18 Thread John Howell
At 7:58 PM -0400 4/18/10, timothy.price wrote: Don't pay any attention to non-organist comments, they can be misleading. If that's referring to me, No, I was not referring to you, but to John Howell's previous comment about thinking it best not to include dynamic markings, but that he was

Re: [Finale] Organ dynamics

2010-04-18 Thread Noel Stoutenburg
Ryan, If you are not familiar with the conventions of music notation for the organ in the place and at the time the composer lived, the best thing to do is to consult with someone who is. Take the MS, or a printout of your notesetting effort to an experienced organist, and get their opinions.

[Finale] Organ dynamics

2010-04-17 Thread Ryan
Where is it necessary to place the dynamics when writing for organ? The manuscript I'm working from isn't consistent in the placement of dynamics. It also doesn't specify individual stops to use (for example, a trumpet stop that would naturally sound louder than a flute stop), so can one dynamic

Re: [Finale] Organ dynamics

2010-04-17 Thread Noel Stoutenburg
Ryan wrote: Where is it necessary to place the dynamics when writing for organ? Based upon my study of the organ, it varies depending upon the location, period and style in which the work is written, and in more recent years, even from one composer to another. . The manuscript I'm

Re: [Finale] Organ dynamics

2010-04-17 Thread Ryan
Thanks for your advice. The composer is deceased, so I can't consult with him. Would I be safe in supplying one dynamic for the manuals' staves and a separate dynamic for the pedals? Most passages in this work will show the same dynamic in both places. On Sat, Apr 17, 2010 at 3:50 PM, Noel

RE: [Finale] Organ dynamics

2010-04-17 Thread James Gilbert
Ryan wrote: Where is it necessary to place the dynamics when writing for organ? The manuscript I'm working from isn't consistent in the placement of dynamics. It also doesn't specify individual stops to use (for example, a trumpet stop that would naturally sound louder than a flute stop), so

Re: [Finale] Organ dynamics

2010-04-17 Thread David W. Fenton
On 17 Apr 2010 at 19:11, James Gilbert wrote: If I remember correctly, some, if not most of Bach's organ music doesn't have registrations or dynamics. Absolutely none of Bach's organ music has registration or dynamics or tempo markings, and so far as I can recall, no articulations, either.

Re: [Finale] Organ dynamics

2010-04-17 Thread David W. Fenton
On 17 Apr 2010 at 15:30, Ryan wrote: Where is it necessary to place the dynamics when writing for organ? There is simply no cut-and-dried answer to this question. Each manual and pedal could have a different registration and thus, different dynamics. A single staff in the score could indicate