Re: [Finale] OT: con sord + harmonics

2009-07-27 Thread Robert Patterson
In my experience, neither conductors nor string players like the combination very much. It makes the harmonic sound very tentative, and I think it is harder to produce. I called for this combination once, and the conductor asked me to let them remove the mutes. But I liked the effect and asked

Re: [Finale] OT: con sord + harmonics

2009-07-27 Thread Owain Sutton
Yes, many players will react with distaste at the possibility - but then again, many pretty much avoid ever playing a true sul pont, too. For an example, I'm fairly sure the end of the Nocturne from the Britten op. 6 suite, featuring both natural and artificial harmonics, is muted. (My music

RE: [Finale] OT: con sord + harmonics

2009-07-27 Thread Colin Broom
Just to clarify, this would be in the context of a string quartet, not an orchestral context. Thanks for the responses thus far. C. -- Colin Broom -- Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2009 17:24:57 +0100 From: owainsut...@gmail.com To: finale@shsu.edu Subject: Re: [Finale] OT: con sord + harmonics

Re: [Finale] OT: con sord + harmonics

2009-07-27 Thread Owain Sutton
:57 +0100 From: owainsut...@gmail.com To: finale@shsu.edu Subject: Re: [Finale] OT: con sord + harmonics Yes, many players will react with distaste at the possibility - but then again, many pretty much avoid ever playing a true sul pont, too. For an example, I'm fairly sure the end

Re: [Finale] OT: con sord + harmonics

2009-07-27 Thread John Howell
At 3:54 PM +0100 7/27/09, Colin Broom wrote: I figure there's a lot of epxerienced strong players and orchestrators out there, and I've read some very good advice here before, so here goes: Can anyone tell me (as much as it is possible to describe something like this) on an orchestral string

Re: [Finale] OT: con sord + harmonics

2009-07-27 Thread David Froom
Colin, Take a listen to Webern's Op. 5 String Quartet, 4th movement. Here is a pdf of the score at the IMSLP: http://imslp.info/files/imglnks/usimg/a/a8/IMSLP00370-Webern_-_Five_movements_for_String_Quartet_Op5.pdf The whole movement is mit Dämpfer four all four. There is a harmonic in the

Re: [Finale] OT: con sord + harmonics

2009-07-27 Thread arabushk
Not to mention those string players who wouldn't play pizzicato for Monteverdi since they considered it a bastardization of the instrument! ajr At 3:54 PM +0100 7/27/09, Colin Broom wrote: I figure there's a lot of epxerienced strong players and orchestrators out there, and I've read some very

Re: [Finale] OT: con sord + harmonics

2009-07-27 Thread Dean M. Estabrook
Isn't it strange the way the mind (at least, mine) works. Until I read this post, at age 69, my brain had never connected Sul Pont with say, Ponte Vecchio. Oh, duh ... I says, I was in Venice decades ago, and never processed the Italian word for Bridge until today. So, thanks to you guys