Re: [Finale] Pesky Page Turns

2006-02-19 Thread Michael Cook
On 18 Feb 2006, at 23:46, John Bell wrote: On 18 Feb 2006, at 22:38, Darcy James Argue wrote: However, with string sections, you have a lot more leeway than you do with winds or solo strings, as half the section can keep playing while their stand partners turn the page. No Darcy please!

Re: [Finale] Pesky Page Turns

2006-02-19 Thread Johannes Gebauer
On 19.02.2006 Michael Cook wrote: Yes, do put page turns in loud passages if possible. The noise of a lot of pages turning can be very distracting: let your violins turn in a tutti passage where, I repeat, you will not notice the difference in sound while half of them stop playing to turn the

Re: [Finale] Pesky Page Turns

2006-02-19 Thread Godofredo Romero
one way would be to use a "fermata" at the end of page two. gr Kim Patrick Clow wrote: I am working on a short sinfonia (movements are about 90 measures long). The 2 Violin parts are the more sophisticated (versus the Viola and 'Cello parts). I absolutely can not the 2 Violin

Re: [Finale] Pesky Page Turns

2006-02-19 Thread Johannes Gebauer
On 19.02.2006 Godofredo Romero wrote: one way would be to use a fermata at the end of page two. An extremely bad way if you ask me. Don't do that if at all avoidable. Johannes -- http://www.musikmanufaktur.com http://www.camerata-berolinensis.de

Re: [Finale] Pesky Page Turns

2006-02-19 Thread Johannes Gebauer
Thinking about this in more detail, I would add that page turns have to be at different places in chamber music and orchestral music. Eg, in a string quartet it is possible to have a page turn during a GP (although it does depend on the GP). It is also possible to have a page turn during a

Re: [Finale] Pesky Page Turns

2006-02-18 Thread Darcy James Argue
At least in the studio/B'way world, three-page flat parts (without a page turn) are perfectly acceptable, so long as fits on a standard music stand. (It's okay if the left and right edges hang off the edge of the stand, so long as the part is stable.) If a flat three-page part isn't an

RE: [Finale] Pesky Page Turns

2006-02-18 Thread Lee Actor
I am working on a short sinfonia (movements are about 90 measures long). The 2 Violin parts are the more sophisticated (versus the Viola and 'Cello parts). I absolutely can not the 2 Violin parts to fit on two pages (which would be the optimal way to do it). Is it *that* bad to have this one

Re: [Finale] Pesky Page Turns

2006-02-18 Thread John Bell
On 18 Feb 2006, at 22:38, Darcy James Argue wrote:However, with string sections, you have a lot more leeway than you do with winds or solo strings, as half the section can keep playing while their stand partners turn the page. No Darcy please! That is not

Re: [Finale] Pesky Page Turns

2006-02-18 Thread Carl Dershem
John Bell wrote: On 18 Feb 2006, at 22:38, Darcy James Argue wrote: However, with string sections, you have a lot more leeway than you do with winds or solo strings, as half the section can keep playing while their stand partners turn the page. No Darcy please! That is not acceptable!

Re: [Finale] Pesky Page Turns

2006-02-18 Thread Johannes Gebauer
On 18.02.2006 Kim Patrick Clow wrote: I am working on a short sinfonia (movements are about 90 measures long). The 2 Violin parts are the more sophisticated (versus the Viola and 'Cello parts). I absolutely can not the 2 Violin parts to fit on two pages (which would be the optimal way to do

Re: [Finale] Pesky Page Turns

2006-02-18 Thread Johannes Gebauer
On 18.02.2006 John Bell wrote: On 18 Feb 2006, at 22:38, Darcy James Argue wrote: However, with string sections, you have a lot more leeway than you do with winds or solo strings, as half the section can keep playing while their stand partners turn the page. No Darcy please! That is not

Re: [Finale] Pesky Page Turns

2006-02-18 Thread John Bell
Presumably because the judgement was made that in that particular passage that would sound alright! John On 18 Feb 2006, at 23:23, Owain Sutton wrote: John Bell wrote: Because something is commonplace doesn't mean it's OK. I would always rescore the music rather than allow half of a

Re: [Finale] Pesky Page Turns

2006-02-18 Thread Christopher Smith
On Feb 18, 2006, at 9:54 PM, Kim Patrick Clow wrote: Johannes,   I am definitely a he, not a she ;) Just wanted to clarify that.  *wink* Kim Patrick Clow, meet Darcy James Argue. I'm sure you two guys have a lot in common. 8-) Christopher P.S., around here Johanne (no s) is definitely a

Re: [Finale] Pesky Page Turns

2006-02-18 Thread John Howell
At 10:46 PM + 2/18/06, John Bell wrote: On 18 Feb 2006, at 22:38, Darcy James Argue wrote: However, with string sections, you have a lot more leeway than you do with winds or solo strings, as half the section can keep playing while their stand partners turn the page. No Darcy please!

Re: [Finale] Pesky Page Turns

2006-02-18 Thread John Howell
And that is where your control ends. The final decisions will be reached by the conductor, concertmaster and/or section leaders, so you MUST leave them with no other choice in the matter if you can't accept the tradeoff. And the interesting thing (and don't ANYBODY tell the orchestras'

Re: [Finale] Pesky Page Turns

2006-02-18 Thread John Howell
At 5:28 PM -0500 2/18/06, Kim Patrick Clow wrote: I am working on a short sinfonia (movements are about 90 measures long). The 2 Violin parts are the more sophisticated (versus the Viola and 'Cello parts). I absolutely can not the 2 Violin parts to fit on two pages (which would be the

Re: [Finale] Pesky Page Turns

2006-02-18 Thread John Howell
At 10:18 PM -0500 2/18/06, Christopher Smith wrote: On Feb 18, 2006, at 9:54 PM, Kim Patrick Clow wrote: Johannes, I am definitely a he, not a she ;) Just wanted to clarify that. *wink* Kim Patrick Clow, meet Darcy James Argue. I'm sure you two guys have a lot in common. 8-)

Re: [Finale] Pesky Page Turns

2006-02-18 Thread John Bell
Yes, Johannes, I was thinking of living composers. If the composer is dead and buried he/she will not be in a position to contribute to the discussion. I would not contemplate editing the work of a dead composer in order to make page turns. Regards John On 19.02.2006 John Bell wrote:

Re: [Finale] Pesky Page Turns

2006-02-18 Thread John Bell
And while I'm at it, is your statement that you cannot do the part on two pages based on your perception that it is too crowded, and have you compared it with Breitkopf parts for the standard literature which are perfectly readable even if more crowded than many modern parts? My name,

Re: [Finale] Pesky Page Turns

2006-02-18 Thread Johannes Gebauer
On 19.02.2006 Kim Patrick Clow wrote: I am definitely a he, not a she ;) Just wanted to clarify that. *wink* Oohps, sorry. I used to know a female Kim, and drew the conclusion without really noticing the Patrick! Sincere appologies! Johannes -- http://www.musikmanufaktur.com