RE: [Finale] Re: reduction size (was Pesky Page Turns)

2006-02-23 Thread Williams, Jim
Ah, another alumnus of 1527 1/2 North Vine St. in Hollywood!!! I wonder if they're still there. We used engrossing ink, which most people have never heard of. There is a character who posts under the NOM DE FINALE of N. Grossingink. 'Zat you??

Re: [Finale] Re: reduction size (was Pesky Page Turns)

2006-02-20 Thread John Howell
At 1:54 PM -0800 2/19/06, Chuck Israels wrote: *The most readable staff size is 8.5mm, measured from the bottom to the top of the staff. I think that's 100%, and looks too large to my eye. On a music stand, with a stand partner, with a reading distance of 30-36 to the far side of the

Re: [Finale] Re: reduction size (was Pesky Page Turns)

2006-02-20 Thread John Howell
At 3:07 PM -0800 2/19/06, Dean M. Estabrook wrote: Mein Gott ... I'm just remembering my MA Thesis, which composed in 1965 or so, and consists of 87 pages of score for 22 wind instruments. I, of course, hand copied the thing using india ink on vellum from Cameo Music in Hollywood, working 8

Re: [Finale] Re: reduction size (was Pesky Page Turns)

2006-02-20 Thread Richard Smith
Mine was Alpheus but about a year ago I donated it to someone who would use it. Richard Smith www.rgsmithmusic.com - Original Message - From: John Howell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: finale@shsu.edu Sent: Monday, February 20, 2006 7:53 AM Subject: Re: [Finale] Re: reduction size (was Pesky

Re: [Finale] Re: reduction size (was Pesky Page Turns)

2006-02-20 Thread Johannes Gebauer
On 20.02.2006 John Howell wrote: I think that's 100%, and looks too large to my eye. On a music stand, with a stand partner, with a reading distance of 30-36 to the far side of the page, and eyes that need trifocals? The guideline specifies strings, and strings have stand partners (give or

Re: [Finale] Re: reduction size (was Pesky Page Turns)

2006-02-20 Thread Raymond Horton
I think everybody agrees that rehearsal numbers or letters every ten bars is a bad idea. Stravinsky used them in late scores. IM(very)HO it was his way of seeming as detached and unemotional as possible about his music and telling the performers you figure it out. But he was Stravinsky.

Re: [Finale] Re: reduction size (was Pesky Page Turns)

2006-02-20 Thread Andrew Stiller
I think that's 100%, and looks too large to my eye. On a music stand, with a stand partner, with a reading distance of 30-36 to the far side of the page, and eyes that need trifocals? The guideline specifies strings, and strings have stand partners (give or take the bass section). One of

Re: [Finale] Re: reduction size (was Pesky Page Turns)

2006-02-20 Thread Raymond Horton
John Howell wrote: At 3:07 PM -0800 2/19/06, Dean M. Estabrook wrote: Mein Gott ... I'm just remembering my MA Thesis, which composed in 1965 or so, and consists of 87 pages of score for 22 wind instruments. I, of course, hand copied the thing using india ink on vellum from Cameo Music in

Re: [Finale] Re: reduction size (was Pesky Page Turns)

2006-02-20 Thread Dean M. Estabrook
I often wondered what happened to Cameo too man, that was a long time ago. I still have my electric eraser sitting hard by me, like an old soldier longing for the sounds of the battlefield. Might hang on to the vellums, who knows, perhaps a museum might place some value on the antiquities

Re: [Finale] Re: reduction size (was Pesky Page Turns)

2006-02-20 Thread Don Hart
on 2/20/06 12:05 PM, Raymond Horton at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Later, one of the Cameo main employee's started her own company - what was that name? Unless that scenario played out more than once I believe you're thinking of Judy Green, and I thought she came from Alpheus. My wife

RE: [Finale] Re: reduction size (was Pesky Page Turns)

2006-02-20 Thread Joel Sears
I think Cameo became Judy Green Music, which is the only one left. Joel Sears -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dean M. Estabrook Sent: Monday, February 20, 2006 12:22 PM To: finale@shsu.edu Subject: Re: [Finale] Re: reduction size

RE: [Finale] Re: reduction size (was Pesky Page Turns)

2006-02-20 Thread Joel Sears
, 2006 12:51 PM To: finale@shsu.edu Subject: Re: [Finale] Re: reduction size (was Pesky Page Turns) on 2/20/06 12:05 PM, Raymond Horton at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Later, one of the Cameo main employee's started her own company - what was that name? Unless that scenario played out more than once

Re: [Finale] Re: reduction size (was Pesky Page Turns)

2006-02-20 Thread Bob Florence
I often wondered what happened to Cameo too man, that was a long time ago. I still have my electric eraser sitting hard by me, like an old soldier longing for the sounds of the battlefield. Might hang on to the vellums, who knows, perhaps a museum might place some value on the antiquities

RE: [Finale] Re: reduction size (was Pesky Page Turns)

2006-02-20 Thread Joel Sears
1:43 PM To: finale@shsu.edu Subject: Re: [Finale] Re: reduction size (was Pesky Page Turns) I often wondered what happened to Cameo too man, that was a long time ago. I still have my electric eraser sitting hard by me, like an old soldier longing for the sounds of the battlefield. Might

Re: [Finale] Re: reduction size (was Pesky Page Turns) Very OT

2006-02-20 Thread Dean M. Estabrook
If memory serves, was there not a great pizza place on Hollywood and Vine, wherein the waiters all sang operatic arias? Dean On Feb 20, 2006, at 1:21 PM, Joel Sears wrote: Hi Bob, As I remember, you got to Cameo from the alley, on the second floor, just south of Hollywood, on Vine. I don't

RE: [Finale] Re: reduction size (was Pesky Page Turns)

2006-02-20 Thread Lee Actor
In the past I used to use 100% page scale of Finale's default 85% system scaling for parts, but recently I've been using 90% page scale, which even to this aging string player's eyes is quite easy to read. I use a music spacing scaling factor of 1.4 for parts (1.6179 for scores). My parts are

Re: [Finale] Re: reduction size (was Pesky Page Turns) Very OT

2006-02-20 Thread ThomaStudios
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Re: [Finale] Re: reduction size (was Pesky Page Turns)

2006-02-20 Thread Raymond Horton
Now my memory is jogged! We are talking about the same original company. Cameo's name was changed to Alpheus about 1973-4, and a couple of years later Judy Green left Alpheus to form Judy Green Music. Alpheus does not appear to exist any longer, but Judy Green does indeed still exist at:

Re: [Finale] Re: reduction size (was Pesky Page Turns)

2006-02-19 Thread David W. Fenton
On 19 Feb 2006 at 12:21, Chuck Israels wrote: There are times that I think reducing the staff size and increasing the amount of white space around staves and other objects actually might make the music more legible. I'm presently struggling with a chronic eye problem (uveitis) that at

RE: [Finale] Re: reduction size (was Pesky Page Turns)

2006-02-19 Thread Williams, Jim
of Chuck Israels Sent: Sun 19-Feb-06 15:21 To: finale@shsu.edu Subject: [Finale] Re: reduction size (was Pesky Page Turns) I've been thinking about this lately. I've been using a 95% staff size reduction on large (9.5 x 12.5) parts paper, and it's more than readable at a considerable distance

Re: [Finale] Re: reduction size (was Pesky Page Turns)

2006-02-19 Thread Chuck Israels
On Feb 19, 2006, at 12:52 PM, David W. Fenton wrote: On 19 Feb 2006 at 12:21, Chuck Israels wrote: There are times that I think reducing the staff size and increasing the amount of white space around staves and other objects actually might make the music more legible. I'm presently

Re: [Finale] Re: reduction size (was Pesky Page Turns)

2006-02-19 Thread Johannes Gebauer
This discussion reminds me of playing a Schubert Symphony from Bärenreiter parts recently, and getting very annoyed about their illegible accidentals. Especially flats and naturals look very alike from the normal reading distance in a violin section. We wrote a lot of them on top, especially

Re: [Finale] Re: reduction size (was Pesky Page Turns)

2006-02-19 Thread Chuck Israels
Hi Jim, (Yes, I will get to listen to your CD - probably today or tomorrow - sorry!) On Feb 19, 2006, at 1:08 PM, Williams, Jim wrote: Hi, Chuck! I was looking at this issue just today and got some guidelines from the Major Orchestra Librarians' Association (MOLA) *There should be

Re: [Finale] Re: reduction size (was Pesky Page Turns)

2006-02-19 Thread Noel Stoutenburg
Williams, Jim wrote: *60- or 70-lb offset paper, printed both sides. snippage PS: WHERE DO YOU GET THE PARTS PAPER??? A paper vendor that services the printing trade should have this in stock. Major cities have several. If you check the website of offset printing manufacturers (four