Re: [Finale] beaming question

2011-01-10 Thread Aaron Sherber
On 1/10/2011 2:11 PM, dc wrote: In 6/8, how can I get Finale to not beam together notes that are separated by rests (two 8ths separated by a rest, for instance)? Make sure your time signature is 6 x eighth note, not 2 x dotted quarter. Or use Utilities | Rebeam to Time Signature to accomplish

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2011-01-10 Thread Aaron Sherber
On 1/10/2011 3:32 PM, dc wrote: I want: 8 8 8 beamed (in the same beat, of course) but not 8 _ 8 Well, you can break all the beams by hand, of course, but that's not a great solution if you're talking about a long passage. You can also do this with TGTools Bream Breaker. Aaron.

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2011-01-10 Thread David H. Bailey
On 1/10/2011 3:15 PM, Aaron Sherber wrote: On 1/10/2011 2:11 PM, dc wrote: In 6/8, how can I get Finale to not beam together notes that are separated by rests (two 8ths separated by a rest, for instance)? Make sure your time signature is 6 x eighth note, not 2 x dotted quarter. Or use

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2011-01-10 Thread Mark McCarron
try document optionsbeaming Mark --- On Mon, 1/10/11, dc den...@free.fr wrote: From: dc den...@free.fr Subject: {Spam} Re: [Finale] beaming question To: finale@shsu.edu, finale@shsu.edu Date: Monday, January 10, 2011, 3:32 PM Aaron Sherber écrit: Make sure your time signature is 6 x

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2011-01-10 Thread Steve Parker
If there are a large number of bars in a row to be fixed you can also use the 6 x 8 time signature with 'different sig for display' so that finale doesn't add a redundant time sig announcement. Steve P. On 10 Jan 2011, at 20:49, David H. Bailey wrote: On 1/10/2011 3:15 PM, Aaron Sherber

Re: [Finale] beaming question

2011-01-10 Thread Williams, Jim
I'm not near finale now, but there is a document option called beam over rests that can be turned on or off, isn't there? Sent from my iPhone, so please pardon all the typos. On Jan 10, 2011, at 4:26 PM, dc den...@free.fr wrote: David H. Bailey écrit: In Finale these days it seems we have a

Re: [Finale] beaming question

2011-01-10 Thread Steve Parker
No, the option is to extend the beam over a rest to the right side of the beam. Steve P. On 10 Jan 2011, at 21:29, Williams, Jim jwilli...@franklincollege.edu wrote: I'm not near finale now, but there is a document option called beam over rests that can be turned on or off, isn't there?

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2011-01-10 Thread Aaron Sherber
On 1/10/2011 4:23 PM, dc wrote: Couldn't a plug-in check this and remove all the beams over rests? TGTools Beam Breaker ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale

Re: [Finale] Beaming question

2006-01-15 Thread Aaron Sherber
At 03:11 PM 1/15/2006, Mike Greensill wrote: I've forgotten how to prevent Finale from beaming across all 4 eight note beats when writing two eight notes, an eight note rest, then an eight note. Options | Document Options | Beams. Uncheck 'Include rests when beaming in groups of four'. Note

Re: [Finale] Beaming question

2006-01-15 Thread John Roberts
It's in Options:Document Options:Beamimg. There's a check box to beam 8th notes in groups of 4 in common time, also one to include rests in the groups or not. (And you should upgrade to 2006c). John Roberts On 1/15/06 3:11 PM, Mike Greensill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've forgotten how to

Re: [Finale] Beaming question

2006-01-15 Thread Mike Greensill
Options | Document Options | Beams Thanks guys, that's it! If only I could remember settings in Finale as well as tunes I learnt 40 years ago. Mike Greensill www.mikegreensill.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu

Re: [Finale] BEAMing question

2005-12-23 Thread Christopher Smith
On Dec 23, 2005, at 4:23 PM, Kim Richmond wrote: I have two beats filled with a dotted eight, a sixteen, and two eighth notes. How do I get them to beam together (on a regular basis)? All the best, KIM R Assuming 4/4... If you select the time signature tool, double click the first

Re: [Finale] BEAMing question

2005-12-23 Thread John Bell
Christopher Smith wrote:Assuming 4/4... If you select the time signature tool, double click the first measure, and click More Options, you can have 4/4 display while Finale thinks it is in 2/2. Then beaming will be to the half note by default. The only problem with this is that Finale will only

Re: [Finale] BEAMing question

2005-12-23 Thread Christopher Smith
On Dec 23, 2005, at 8:05 PM, John Bell wrote: Christopher Smith wrote: Assuming 4/4... If you select the time signature tool, double click the first measure, and click More Options, you can have 4/4 display while Finale thinks it is in 2/2. Then beaming will be to the half note by

Re: [Finale] Beaming question

2005-11-07 Thread Andrew Stiller
D. Fenton: I don't feel the non-beaming [of old vocal music] conveys anything useful that is not quite clear from word continuation symbols along with judiciously-placed slurs. A problem arises, though, when you have a vocal part with slurs in the original. In the old style of vocal

Re: [Finale] Beaming question

2005-11-07 Thread Andrew Stiller
On Nov 6, 2005, at 7:15 PM, David W. Fenton wrote: Why would one keep the beam breaks and then discard most of the reversed beams? I don't believe either Johannes or I gave any indication of how many of the reversed beams we discarded. Yes, sometimes these give indications about register

Re: [Finale] Beaming question

2005-11-07 Thread Johannes Gebauer
On 07.11.2005 Andrew Stiller wrote: Why would one keep the beam breaks and then discard most of the reversed beams? I don't believe either Johannes or I gave any indication of how many of the reversed beams we discarded. Actually, I do discard most of them. The only exception I can think

Re: [Finale] Beaming question

2005-11-07 Thread David W. Fenton
On 7 Nov 2005 at 8:49, Johannes Gebauer wrote: In 18th century sources reversed beams can happen (and are likely to happen) whenever there is a larger leap within a beamed group. That's all there is to it, imo. But leaps mean something and the reversed beams, I believe, help mark them

Re: [Finale] Beaming question

2005-11-07 Thread Johannes Gebauer
Just so you don't get me wrong: I am not trying to convince you of anything. On 07.11.2005 David W. Fenton wrote: But leaps mean something and the reversed beams, I believe, help mark them clearly. To me, by removing them, you are removing one of the clues to contour that could be helpful to a

Re: [Finale] Beaming question

2005-11-06 Thread John Howell
At 10:22 AM +0100 11/6/05, dc wrote: David W. Fenton écrit: Johannes and Dennis C., and any others who edit older music, do you think there's anything in the beaming angle of the original sources that might be worth preserving? Do you also try to preserve the beaming breaks and reversed beams?

Re: [Finale] Beaming question

2005-11-06 Thread Andrew Stiller
On Nov 5, 2005, at 3:20 PM, Johannes Gebauer wrote: On 05.11.2005 David W. Fenton wrote: Johannes and Dennis C., and any others who edit older music, do you think there's anything in the beaming angle of the original sources that might be worth preserving? No. Do you also try to preserve

Re: [Finale] Beaming question

2005-11-06 Thread David W. Fenton
On 6 Nov 2005 at 10:56, John Howell wrote: In my own editing, my goal is to make the music intelligible to modern singers while retaining as much as possible of what I consider important in the original. In renaissance vocal music this includes removing bar lines (and eliminating ties

Re: [Finale] Beaming question

2005-11-06 Thread David W. Fenton
On 6 Nov 2005 at 11:50, Andrew Stiller wrote: On Nov 5, 2005, at 3:20 PM, Johannes Gebauer wrote: On 05.11.2005 David W. Fenton wrote: Johannes and Dennis C., and any others who edit older music, do you think there's anything in the beaming angle of the original sources that might be

Re: [Finale] Beaming question

2005-11-06 Thread Johannes Gebauer
On 07.11.2005 David W. Fenton wrote: I'd have to agree with this. Why would one keep the beam breaks and then discard most of the reversed beams? How do you know you're not discarding potentially useful musical information? Well, it is quite obvious to me that beam breaks can mean

Re: [Finale] Beaming question

2005-11-05 Thread Michael Cook
I'd say horizontal. I don't know of any theoretical rule here, but to me the slanted beam just doesn't look right. Michael Cook On 5 Nov 2005, at 12:55, Johannes Gebauer wrote: The following 8th notes (treble clef) b (on 1st top ledger line), g, e, g, (all same octave), beamed together

Re: [Finale] Beaming question

2005-11-05 Thread Johannes Gebauer
That was my impression, too. Only, the publisher has just send me a file back, asking lots of such situations to be slanted. Looks very strange to me, but what can I do? Johannes On 05.11.2005 Michael Cook wrote: I'd say horizontal. I don't know of any theoretical rule here, but to me the

Re: [Finale] Beaming question

2005-11-05 Thread Robert Patterson
Johannes Gebauer wrote: Looks very strange to me, but what can I do? You aren't going to find any rulebook that tells you whether that beam should be slanted or not. Is this not a case where you make the customer pay? Obviously, I don't know the details of your contract, but if it were

Re: [Finale] Beaming question

2005-11-05 Thread Christopher Smith
On Nov 5, 2005, at 6:55 AM, Johannes Gebauer wrote: The following 8th notes (treble clef) b (on 1st top ledger line), g, e, g, (all same octave), beamed together (beam below). Should this beam be horizontal, or slanted (down, obviously)? I can't really find a similar case in Ross. In

Re: [Finale] Beaming question

2005-11-05 Thread Johannes Gebauer
On 05.11.2005 Robert Patterson wrote: You aren't going to find any rulebook that tells you whether that beam should be slanted or not. Is this not a case where you make the customer pay? Obviously, I don't know the details of your contract, but if it were me, any edits requiring significant

Re: [Finale] Beaming question

2005-11-05 Thread Andrew Stiller
On Nov 5, 2005, at 6:55 AM, Johannes Gebauer wrote: The following 8th notes (treble clef) b (on 1st top ledger line), g, e, g, (all same octave), beamed together (beam below). Should this beam be horizontal, or slanted (down, obviously)? If you mean this literally, that is, B above the

Re: [Finale] Beaming question

2005-11-05 Thread dhbailey
Johannes Gebauer wrote: That was my impression, too. Only, the publisher has just send me a file back, asking lots of such situations to be slanted. Looks very strange to me, but what can I do? Until you've cashed their check, nothing except make them slanted. I'd vote for horizontal as

Re: [Finale] Beaming question

2005-11-05 Thread Johannes Gebauer
On 05.11.2005 Andrew Stiller wrote: On Nov 5, 2005, at 6:55 AM, Johannes Gebauer wrote: The following 8th notes (treble clef) b (on 1st top ledger line), g, e, g, (all same octave), beamed together (beam below). Should this beam be horizontal, or slanted (down, obviously)? If you mean

Re: [Finale] Beaming question

2005-11-05 Thread Chuck Israels
Hi Johannes, Flat looks better to my eyes because the figure seems centered around one note, even though the last note is lower than the first, and the flat beam expresses that. I even tried entering a descending figure afterward, in order to see if that influenced my response - making

Re: [Finale] Beaming question

2005-11-05 Thread David W. Fenton
On 5 Nov 2005 at 10:03, Chuck Israels wrote: Flat looks better to my eyes because the figure seems centered around one note, even though the last note is lower than the first, and the flat beam expresses that. I even tried entering a descending figure afterward, in order to see if that

Re: [Finale] Beaming question

2005-11-05 Thread Chuck Israels
On Nov 5, 2005, at 11:40 AM, David W. Fenton wrote: On 5 Nov 2005 at 10:03, Chuck Israels wrote: Flat looks better to my eyes because the figure seems centered around one note, even though the last note is lower than the first, and the flat beam expresses that. I even tried entering a

Re: [Finale] Beaming question

2005-11-05 Thread Johannes Gebauer
On 05.11.2005 Chuck Israels wrote: My taste in this has been deeply influenced by the combination of using Johannes' recommended settings and Patterson Beam settings, and it took me a while to get used to the overall flatter look (and sometimes shorter stems) that this produces. Now I am

Re: [Finale] Beaming question

2005-11-05 Thread Johannes Gebauer
On 05.11.2005 David W. Fenton wrote: Johannes and Dennis C., and any others who edit older music, do you think there's anything in the beaming angle of the original sources that might be worth preserving? No. Do you also try to preserve the beaming breaks and reversed beams? Beaming

Re: [Finale] Beaming question

2004-05-22 Thread Harold Owen
Dennis Collins writes: I have a 17th-century piece for three instruments and basso continuo where the continuo part actually doubles whatever happens to be the lowest of the three parts. Which means there are quite a few clef changes when it switches from a treble instrument to a bass

Re: [Finale] Beaming question

2004-05-22 Thread David W. Fenton
On 22 May 2004 at 21:00, d. collins wrote: I have a 17th-century piece for three instruments and basso continuo where the continuo part actually doubles whatever happens to be the lowest of the three parts. Which means there are quite a few clef changes when it switches from a treble